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[quote author=uhonmora]Correct if they are false prophets

When I looked at the New Testament, what I found was that tongues are not a babbling of words, but that of a known language.

The bible never said tongues must be intelligible . There are tongues of men and unintelligible tongues of angels . Tongues of men are only required for people to hear especially in prophecy . But when praying to God alone . Unintelligible tongue and word are used . There's no confusion

krisokuweh: Remember jonah whom God sent to ninivie to prophesei dat d nation wil be distroyed but dey prayed n God did forgiv dem. But Jonah was angry dat d pple wld make mockery of him. Likewise Obama mgt ve prayed also, because Romney was leading almst all thru d election. So pls don't judge a prophet just let dem b. Dey only nid to b careful n use wisdom

Jonah must be a false prophet. His prophecy failed

Sisi_Kill: .
. So which part did Samuel declare GOD TOLD him Eliab should be King?

Where did Benny also said GOD told him Romney would be king?

And again what you understanding of this verse

1 Corinthians 14:29
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

Are we to judge their person or the content of their prophecies ?
And if there happened to be error in their prophecy are we to label them as false prophets in the church?

Sisi_Kill: Dear Brother Joagbaje, could you please give us the Biblical definition of errr. . .what did you call it again. . .a Blunder?

For example Samuel was to anoint a king from house of Jesse . He saw Eliab the eldest son. And said this is the lords anointed . God had to caution him.

1 Samuel 16:6-7
And it came to pass, when they were come, that he looked on Eliab, and said, Surely the Lord 's anointed is before him. 7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

Samuel declared Eliab as king in blunder , but God stepped in to correct him . He didn't call samuel a false prophet for judging wrongly.

Sam Milla: Can you please define 'false' for me. I seem to be confused here.

A christian can't be a false prophet . Giving a wrong prophecy doesn't constitute a false prophet . A false prophet is an agent of darkness who turns people heart from God. The bible never calls a christian false prophet because of a blunder

There could have been an error in judgement by a prophet. He is subject to correction.

1 1 Corinthians 14:29
Two or three people should speak what God has revealed. Everyone else should decide whether what each person said is right or wrong.

This scripture is a clear indication for mistakes and correction. God didn't say to call his people false prophet. False prophet are outsiders satanic agent who may counterfeit God prophets.

If a man who had given several prophecies accurately now made a supposed prediction . It's only an error . You can condemn the message or particular prophecy but not the man or his entire ministry

SirJohn: Joagbaje the devils advocate, you're really making it worse for yourself on NL... carry on, people are no longer as gullible as you think they are.

Pls don't insult me. You seem to be the devils advocate . Return to God

Reyginus: What sort of bible truth is this?
Faking a prophecy to achieve an ultimate plan will only change ur status as a prophet.

What's the proof of faking prophecy.

My question still is, can God utter a word that will not come to pass?[/quote]There are reasons why it may happen. There have been words uttered that didn't come to pass in the bible

seriallink: ^^^ I understand you are protecting the interest of your church & pastor.

Pls don't talk nasty , lets dwell on the word. I believe I've brought enough evidence to point out the error . It may not be easy admitting you're wrong . But if you still feel its right . Prove it from the word of God.

My bible doesn't tell me that going to church is compulsory for salvation. I'll reply later, I'm on mobile now. Peace

Nobody says so. Salvation is not about church . But a christian should not live in selfishness , there's a structure in the body of christ . We are compacted and there has to be a spiritual supply.

Ephesians 4:16
From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

So beyond going to heaven , the more important Thing is the fulfillment of purpose . Every one of us are members of one another .

Romans 12:5
So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

So it's contrary to scripture to be an island . Every one must belong to a local church.

Reyginus: Is it possible for God to operate through a lying spirit or vice versa?

It's not about God

It's either the person didn't hear from God and he thought he did. And there are times oneself hear from God but the prophecy fail when certain instructions were not followed through .. There are prophets in the bible who's prophecies didn't come to pass.

There's much about prophetic ministry we don't know. We should rather ask questions than running the tendency of comitinng sin of blasphemy

Mr_Anony: This is just plain dishonest of you my friend (my responses in red). For now I will hold off on calling them false prophets for lack of proof but if what Goshen says turns out to be true, then they are false prophets no doubt. Don't twist scripture to protect them.

Im only sharing bible truth with you . Calling them false prophets from now till tomorrow does it change Gods call upon them. You only run the error of calling Gods servants a name God didn't call them.

Reyginus: Dude you've got no point.
If you say so, you ll also have to agree that God was too hasty in revealing it to him.

It's not about God revealing, it's about a man picking wrong signal. There was a time a lying spirt came upon good prophet , a they prophesied wrongly. God allowed it to destroy ahab . But they were prophets of God.

Mr_Anony:
20But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Has Benny died?

21And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
22When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22

Obviously the lord didnt speak THAT PARTICULAR PROPHECY . But that didn't make him false prophet . There's a difference between someone who is a man of God but gave wrong prophecy. It is the prophecy that should be condemned not the man.

Call a spade a spade. Pat and Benny are false prophets.

You are wrong. What about the prophecies he had given which came to pass. Does one switch between been good prophet and being false ? .

You judge the prophecy not the man .

Samuel was very sure he was hearing from God , and was about to anoint a wrong man as king. But God had to stop him.

1 Samuel 16:7
When they had come, he looked on Eliab [the eldest son] and said, Surely the Lord’s anointed is before Him.
7 But the Lord said to Samuel, Look not on his appearance or at the height of his stature, for I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees; for man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.

If samuel had gone ahead to anoint elihab in error. Would that make samuel a false prophet ? No.

There are several reason someone would have given a wrong prophecy. I will expound on this if I have the time. The question we should ask first is . "HOW DOES PROPHECY COME" people recieved prophecies different ways, some dream, angel,audible voice ,open vision,close vision, inner witness etc. who've you dreamt and it came to pass before ? Yes, have you dream it didn't come to ass ,yes. Are you a good dreamer or bad dreamer? Ask yourself.

I am a lirtle busy ,I will be back


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vislabraye: He was too hasty to talk. People should be very careful about prophesies. He shouldn't have said God said.

That's my point .

Goshen360: Bro Joagbaje,

My very point of emphasis is not whether he missed it or not, it is the fact that he said "God told him". .

It doesn't make him a false prophet still. He made a BIG blunder . He is still a man of God. He is a christian ,he is anointed ,but he made a big

When anyone come out to tell the whole world that "God told him" is the fact that such words carry weight. He wasn't guessing when he said those word bro

How is prophecy done ? Is it not "thus sayeth the lord" yet paul said there can be a mistake in it. Let's look at that portion again. Obviously some good prophets have given some wrong prophecy , so someome else had to judge the prophecy . It doesnt make them false proohet . False prophet turns people heart from God.

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Dinosaurs and other ore historic animals existed millions of years ago. Before our present age ,before Adam was created , they were all destroyed in the first world ruled by lucifer who became Satan.

We should always avoid extreme hard words in our posts. The fact that his prediction didn't come to past doesn't make him a false prophet. False prophets has to do with doctrines as related to christ. People can miss it. In prophecy but they are still good ministers of God who just missed it. Prophets do miss it sometime in the bible . That's why the bible says else's should judge.

1 Corinthians 14:29
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

Goshen welcome back

chukwudi44: The fact remains that bill and melinda gates do not pay tithes.Bill gates does. Not even believe in any God let alone paying tithes to him.Works of charity which are completely voluntary does not equate to tithes

Tithing is not about who turns out to be the richest. Tithing is about what belong to God. What about prayer or salvation, is the man who prays the riches am in the city? Does that mean prayer is wrong then or it has no benefit.

@serialink.

Now look at this scripture again

Hebrews 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is. . ..

Firstly ,look at the attitude in that language . as the manner of some is. . .. and you now happens to be one of these "some who have these MANNERS" Hope you get my poin. (not being personal). That means some people were actually displaying this attitude of not attending churches in Paul's day.

This has to do with church services . Look an another translation.

Hebrews 10:25
Let us not neglect our church meetings, as some people do, . . .


Can a man out grow church meetings? No! . You can outgrow babyhood In the body of christ, it's either you are leading or you are submitted to leadership , God sees lack of submission in the body as pride. Look at this scripture .

1 Peter 5:5
Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.


Also it's either you are teaching or you're being taught . Whatever the case you must still be in church attendance.

Hebrews 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

BTW, all believers are children of God while Jesus Christ is the High Priest & Mediator, meaning that any believer could pray directly to God through Jesus & be saved! The pastor/church part is not compulsory for salvation, that's what my Bible tells me.

You made the prayer of salvation to become a member of the body of christ,you don't need to keep making the same prayer. The purpose of the church is not about us gathering to make salvation prayer. The church gathering has one purpose, and that's for edifying one another. You cannot fulfill this ministry in your bedroom reading your bible even if you are an expert in the bible. The body exist for edification. You either be a teacher or a Learner. But nobody is allowed to be an island.

Talking about babies; babies in the Lord refers to new christian converts who have little or no knowledge of the word of God & needs encouragements from people who have better understanding of the word (This doesn't mean that it MUST be a Pastor/Church).

A baby is the one who really haven't understood the purpose of church gatherings. Heb 10:25

You may have good intention but the word of Gid is our judge. Jesus himself attended the church of his days.. The bible calls those who separated themselves as being worldly

Jude 1:19
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

seriallink: ^^^It's very clear that you've been brainwashed by your Pastor. What do you understand by 'fellowshipping with each other'? Is it only in a Church or under a Pastor that one could fellowship with others? Jesus said, where two or three are gathered....do you understand that?

There's a structure of spiritual leadership God set in the church . So the gathering of 2 or 3 doesn't stand for the church. There are anointed offices given in the body of christ. You have to humble yourself dude . A family altar of 5 people doesn't make the church. Spiritual Leadership makes the church.

I will repond to the other part later.

Seewealth: The greater majority of Christians today do not even understand the meaning of the word Christ. In fact, most people are under the grave misconception that Christ was Jesus’ last name. They fail to realize that the word Christ is a Greek word synonymous with the Hebrew word Messiah, and both words in English mean the Anointing of the Lord, or the Lord’s Anointed. Because our translators fail to render the word the same throughout the scriptures, present day bible readers are generally unaware that twenty-three other men in the Old Testament are referred to as the Lord’s Anointed or Christ. When the scriptures state that "Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden..." (Isa 45:1 KJV), it is the same as stating "Thus saith the LORD to his Christ, to Cyrus".
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You're right that the word christ is not Jesus last name. You are right that it means "anointed" and Jesus was not the only one it was used for. But the chrian faith didn't exist before Jesus came.

Kings were anointed , priet were anointed and prophets also .. But there are several use of the word. Which has several meaning. It can also mean chosen ,elected ,this asks is used for political leaders . But not in the sense of spiritual concencration. So the use of the word for Cyrus has no connection with spirituality .

Finally there is difference between an anointed and "the anointed". I an an anointed person. A christ , But I am not "The Christ" . So those who believe in the death and resurrection of "The Christ" Jesus are called Christians. They have recieved eternal life through his death

1 John 5:11
And this is that testimony (that evidence): God gave us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.


,. These are Christians . They never existed until Jesus died. So Christianity never existed before the advent of Jesus Christ .

seriallink: @Jo,

^^^The verses you quoted above were Paul's letters to new Christian converts; those are NOT for me, I was born into a Christian home & understand a lot about Biblical teachings.

The word of God is for all of us. God never said a man can outgrow the word. So the scripture about not forsaking church gatherings is for you. Either you are a pastor or a baby. Christianity is fellowship with Gid and with one another. To walk in Gods light you must fellowship with others. There's a purification that takes place by this fellowship.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


secondly , it's seen as a prideful thing in the eye of the word , when we say we don't need such fellowship .

1 Corinthians 12:21
And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

Paul's warnings against false teachings/teachers & doctrines was for the future & for those who are already strong in the Lord.

The bible was clear on what false teachings are. So what do you refer to as false teachings which keep you away from local assembly.

Secondly the solution to false teaching is to. Avaoid the particular false teacher . But not avoiding every teacher. You cannot say something is wrong with every church .if you don't like a particular church doctrine , go to another. But be very sure you get clarification first , the doctrine you call false ,is it really false ,have you confronted the authorities here for scriptural explanation just Incase you might be the one who may be wrong. Remembering that paul was labelled Ac false teacher by some and Jesus was labelled as false teacher by some other.

Man is a spirit ,he has a soul ,and he lives on this plane in a body. The real man does not die. When a man dies on this plane , he only checks on of the temporary abode called body. The spirit of man is immortal . Man is immortal.

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yep that's it.

The non-existent daddy in the sky has so consumed the thought processes of atheists that they cannot function if he did not exist.

To say that GOD does not exist and yet spend your precious time discussing him is wildly hilarious

There's a difference between not believing in God and living in denial. Atheist really believes in God. The witness of God is in every man even in their conscience. But due to pain anger or dissaapointment in life a man tries to deny the existence of what he believes and knows inwardly by instinct. GOD IS.

all the fight against God existence is only proof. Something is biting on the inside. "I want my papa. If he's there's he should come for me"

Romans 1:19-21
For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God [Himself] has shown it to them.
20 For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks). So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification],
21 Because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened.

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seriallink: Italo, I don't need any of those unscriptural doctrines, I have the bible; so, I don't need any false pastor or doctrine to guide me. I study my Bible and practice christianity exactly as it is written. A
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You only seem to be following some moral codes of the bible ,but that's not Christianity. To practice true Christianity, you must submit yourself under the leadership of a pastor in a local church.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Hebrews 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Sam Milla: Thank You Joagbaje but

If i am right, The creation jobs took God about 6 days and he rested on the 7th day.
Which day among the 6 days was hell created?

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It was created before the six day. Because Satan rebellion happened before the six day. It was a pre adamite age.

Acts 1:8
But you shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit has come upon you…

God has given us a life of glory and power in Christ Jesus. Our theme verse gives us an important information about this life of power. It lets us know that through the Holy Spirit, we’ve been infused with supernatural power to effect positive changes in our lives and in our circumstances.

The choice of words in Scripture is very important because except you understand God’s exact communication, you can’t apply His words to your personal life. In this instance for example, the Lord Jesus said “…you shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit comes upon you…” The word “power” derives from the Greek word “ dunamis,” which means power or ability to effect changes. It refers to miracle-working ability; the ability to make supernatural things happen. It also means the power of excellence.

You received this supernatural power and ability when you received the Holy Spirit; a special ability to perform! This supernatural power for excellence and extraordinary might to effect changes is in you now. Do you see why you ought never to be a victim in life? Jesus gave you a life of power.
If you find yourself in a predicament or in a precarious situation, you don’t have to give up or give in. There’s power in you to effect a change. You don’t need to go around looking for help or seeking power from place to place; the power you need is already inside you. The Holy Spirit is the power of God and the power-giver, and He lives in you in His fullness! Therefore, you’re full of power. You can do anything and change anything through the power of the Spirit.

seriallink: ^^^Seems you believe in that gap creationism thingy...

The gap theory is truth

Faith is walking in reality (truth)

Faith is response of a mans spirit to Gods word.

Hell was created before Adam was . It was created when Satan fell from his glory .it was initially created for Satan and his demons who had rebelled agains God. From the beginning.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Seewealth: The greater majority of Christians today do not even understand the meaning of the word Christ. In fact, most people are under the grave misconception that Christ was Jesus’ last name. They fail to realize that the word Christ is a Greek word synonymous with the Hebrew word Messiah, and both words in English mean the Anointing of the Lord, or the Lord’s Anointed. Because our translators fail to render the word the same throughout the scriptures, present day bible readers are generally unaware that twenty-three other men in the Old Testament are referred to as the Lord’s Anointed or Christ. When the scriptures state that "Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden..." (Isa 45:1 KJV), it is the same as stating "Thus saith the LORD to his Christ, to Cyrus".
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You're right that the word christ is not Jesus last name. You are right that it means "anointed" and Jesus was not the only one it was used for. But the chrian faith didn't exist before Jesus came.

Kings were anointed , priet were anointed and prophets also .. But there are several use of the word. Which has several meaning. It can also mean chosen ,elected ,this asks is used for political leaders . But not in the sense of spiritual concencration. So the use of the word for Cyrus has no connection with spirituality .

Finally there is difference between an anointed and "the anointed". I an an anointed person. A christ , But I am not "The Christ" . So those who believe in the death and resurrection of "The Christ" Jesus are called Christians. They have recieved eternal life through his death

1 John 5:11
And this is that testimony (that evidence): God gave us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.


,. These are Christians . They never existed until Jesus died. So Christianity never existed before the advent of Jesus Christ .

The carelessness of the parents also plays a role , it's parents responsibility to lay christian foundation for them. Sometimes they assume that the children are ok so Long as they run around inside church compound , without consciously charting a course For their lives .