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teeo: Congratulations, i do same and i pay my tithes but i dont live on my salary cos he opens the windows of heaven and blesses me on daily basis

That's what folks don't know. Living by your sweat is a curse.

Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Hebrews 4:10-11
Those who entered his place of rest also rested from their work as God did from his. 11 So we must make every effort to enter that place of rest. Then no one will be lost by following the example of those who refused to obey.

Rehab is free, by the word of God, come for a doze . If you claim not to be a christian, Have you wonder at what usually bring you swimming around christian threads? Something draws you. It's Gods love. You believe in God ,you only just deny him. But theres a hunger in your heart. Keep up the window shopping , you will soon come in.

chrisj2000: Rational person looked at the image of a man hanging on a cross and his\her keen mind became overwhelmed with questions:
1. how can a father of rebellious children slaughter the only innocent one just to forgive the offences of the disloyal many?

His life wasn't taken . He laid it down by himself

John 10:17-18
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

2. must this purported merciful god always drink human blood for appeasement just as demons, wicked oracles and evil shrines do?

God didn't drink blood. , his blood being shed it represent life and sacrife .Blood is life

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

3. is it really painful to die hanging on a cross given that people have met more painful deaths:

The pain was not the cross. The pain was before the cross.

John 7:12
And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.

Satan hasn't changed his color. Jesus had his scandal with false witnesses. It's part of the price. It's a honor .

2 Timothy 3:12
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Truth will outlive you all

chrisj2000: it's time you seek help in a rehab because your addiction to empty written words has raised concern to all nairalanders. i can foot the bill for your treatment.

It's delusion for one person to feel he speaks for all . . Every body loves jo. you love me too you just don't know the appropriate way to express it.

@ Omotola

Though I didn't get your point clear . But if what you're trying to point out is about a woman asking God for a husband. It depends on the revelation such person has. While some ask God for their needs some others thank God knowing that all things are theirs already.

You seem to be the one in need of my help. You can send me email when you're ready

I explained earlier that the bible days , marriages was between parents it's not an issue of a lady looking for a man. A girl doesn't have power to give herself husband . She is given out . It's her father business to do that.Except of course a man sees her and ask for her hand.

@ teeo

Most people don't know the faith and the sacrifice of a minister. It's only when glamour appears they see . And for many ministers most of the so called glamour are present and gifts they receive in appreciation . And most of what they received are put into the spread of the gospel

omotola1: @ Joagbaje, the way “pray“ was used in your Bible quotation doesn‘t corelate with “pray“ in the context of this discourse.

Pls clarify your point.

advocate666: People listen. YOU HAVE TO STRUGGLE FOR EVERYTHING IN THIS LIFE.

You can continue your life of struggle if that's what you believe

NOTHING IS FREE![/quote]Gods blessing are free for those who believe

Romans 8:32
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

soccerinfo9ja: Okay frankly i see the way most "men of god" lie profusely and come up with schemes to deprive people of the basic truth and to rob them of their life savings! I always wonder to myself, are this men of "God" ignorant of the un-existence of this so called "god" or do they actually know that the whole God concept is nothing but lies and its man's very own creation in other to fulfill his inner desires, and they take advantage of ignorant minds and rob them of their time and resources in other to fulfill their own selfish desires? Your pastors are busy buying luxurious cars, expensive houses, opening mega business even acquiring private jet planes, while you the ignorant member who is just a book away from the truth has refused to research, read and realize that you are only being exploited by a more cleverly minded individual all in the pretense of religion. Aye men of this "God" , why do you do this? Are you as ignorant as your members or are you just plain selfish?

Supposing you were wrongly informed. What makes you think people are exploited . Because of what you read ?

Of all the attacks against pastors and churches how come people still troop into the churches and inviting others despite the so called "exploitations" . It can only be for one reason. Something is working in the lives of these people which is producing undeniable result In their lives. Jesus was labelled a crook In his time. Many people believed the propaganda . It's the same thing today.

pastormustwacc: ^^^I was aware of this, but i dont know if it wil be enough for the op.


If you also read the bible well, you will see many instances where people's lives were destroyed because they took spouses that led them into condemnation..

Arab was a good man, but married a wrong woman .

Psalm 35:27
...Let the Lord be magnified, which hath pleasure in theprosperity of his servant

Job 36:11 declares of God’s children: "...They shall live their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures."

God has called you to a life of prosperity. You’re not meant to struggle or labour to live a prosperous life; it’s your birthright. If you’d serve the Lord diligently and delight yourself in Him, you’ll live your days in prosperity and your years in pleasures. This is the heritage of every child of God. Not only is prosperity God’s desire for you, it’s been given to you freely as the seed of Abraham. Abraham, the Bible says, was blessed in all things, and so are you

, Galatians 3:29 ,
"And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."

You didn’t have to struggle for this blessing; it was bequeathed to you as an inheritance, being an heir of God, and a joint heir with Christ (Romans 8:17). It’s important to realize that prosperity is more than having money. Being rich, wealthy, or affluent is just an aspect of prosperity. Prosperity is all- encompassing; it means to be safe, well and sound; to fare well in life, and to live happily in health, peace, riches and favour! It also means to have an excellent life, and experience wholeness in every aspect of your life being successful in all you do:

"3 John Vs. 2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth" ().

The words of the psalmist in Psalm 1:1-3 further describes the beautiful life of prosperity the Lord has given you:

"…And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper."

Pastor Anita

omotola1: I find out that people do pray for life partners.

It's good to pray about everything

Pls is there any scriptural backing for this act?

Genesis 24:14
And let it so be that the girl to whom I say, I pray you, let down your jar that I may drink, and she replies, Drink, and I will give your camels drink also—let her be the one whom You have selected and appointed and indicated for Your servant Isaac [to be a wife to him]; and by it I shall know that You have shown kindness and faithfulness to my master

It's biblical to pray for everything. In bible days , marriages were between parents. Parents give their daughters out and parents get wives for their sons. The irst account of prayer for marriage was when Abraham sent his servant to get wife for Isaac . He prayed for him and sent angles to guide him. The servant also prayed to be guided.

Prayers positions you from making mistakes . It's not every person that is fit another . Some people may not fulfill Gods purpose in life just because of the partner they've married. There are wives from hell and husbands from hell. There are wives from above as well.

Abraham servant prayer was answered . .

. . . .Before he had finished speaking, behold, out came Rebekah, who was the daughter of Bethuel son of Milcah, who was the wife of Nahor the brother of Abraham, with her water jar on her shoulder.
16 And the girl was very beautiful and attractive, chaste and modest, and unmarried. And she went down to the well, filled her water jar, and came up.
17 And the servant ran to meet her, and said, I pray you, let me drink a little water from your water jar.
18 And she said, Drink, my lord; and she quickly let down her jar onto her hand and gave him a drink.
19 When she had given him a drink, she said, I will draw water for your camels also, until they finish drinking.
20 So she quickly emptied her jar into the trough and ran again to the well and drew water for all his camels.
21 The man stood gazing at her in silence, waiting to know if the Lord had made his trip prosperous.
22 And when the camels had finished drinking, the man took a gold earring or nose ring of half a shekel in weight, and for her hands two bracelets of ten shekels in weight in gold,
23 And said, Whose daughter are you? I pray you, tell me: Is there room in your father’s house for us to lodge there?
24 And she said to him, I am the daughter of Bethuel son of Milcah and [her husband] Nahor.
25 She said also to him, We have both straw and provender (fodder) enough, and also room in which to lodge.
26 The man bowed down his head and worshiped the Lord

The question on this thread has been answered . Money was substituted for tithes right from the bible days. If you want to discussed Christianity and tithe ,kindly open another thread. Don't mess up another mans thread .

BERNIMOORE: @joagbaje
YOU CAN ONLY RUN, BUT YOU CANT HIDE,YOU TACTFULLY MISLEAD PEOPLE IN THE BOOK OF LUKE18:12 BELOW



JOAGBAJE, YOU ARE A CASE, AND BEFORE I GIVE SOME STRONG ADVICE FOR YOU,LET ME EXPOSE HOW YOU 'CHANGE THE TRUE MOTIVE OF JESUS' IN THIS LUKE 18:12,WE NEED TO START FROM VERSE 9-12,note that;

(a)JESUS USED 'A PARABLE'(so its not a real event,so the issue of 'income' here does not even arise,this is something that greediness could not even allow you to note)
(b)JESUS MAIN MOTIVE WAS TO EMPHASISE 'some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others'PHARISEE AND A TAX COLLECTOR
LETS READ NOW;

Luke 18:9-14
New King James Version (NKJV)


9 [size=14pt]Also He spoke this parable [/size]to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, [size=14pt]one a Pharisee[/size] and the other[size=14pt] a tax collector[/size]. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14[size=14pt] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.[/size]”

UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU JOAGBAJE, YOU ONLY PICK VS 12 ABOVE TO SUPPORT YOUR TITHING SCHEME,WHICH MEANS 'YOU ARE A PHARISEE DESCRIBED AS 'UNRIGHTEOUS' EVEN THOUGH THEY TITHE,THEY ARE STILL DESCRIBED AS UNRIGHTEOUS! [b]AND THE TAX COLLECTOR WHO DID NOT TITHE(because it was'nt mention) WAS DECLARED RIGHTEOUS[/b]IN VERSE 14,CAN YOU SEE THAT?

IF WE HAVE TO GO BY YOUR MISCHEVIOUS WAY OF COMMITTING JESUS TO A STATEMENT IN MATHEW 23:23 WHEN JESUS WAS ONLY EXPOSING THE PHARISEE'S HYPOCRISY 'IN CHERYPICKING A LAW AND PASSING OVER OR ABANDONING ACCOMPANYING PARTS OF SAME LAW DELIBERATELY' YOU MISCHEVIOUSLY QUOTED MATHEW 23:23 THE SAME REPORT THAT WAS RECORDED BY LUKE IN LUKE 11:42 WORD FOR WORD USING A BIBLE DESIGNED FOR PASTORS EXPECIALLY PENTECOSTAL PASTORS IN 1996,2007(NLT)new living translation. A SO-CALLED BIBLE THAT WAS NOT TRANSLATED FROM THE HEBREW GREEK MANUSCRIPT WHILE THE SACRED SCRIPTURES WERE ORIGINALLY WRITTEN,BUT WAS 'MODIFIED' TO SUIT THE TEACHINGS OF SOME THEOLOGIANS AND SOME PENTECOSTAL PASTORS WHO DISMISED THE TRUTH CONTAINED IN THE OLD TRANSLATIONS KING JAMES VERSION 1611(400 yrs of translation)AS BEING PARAPHRESED.
HOW DO I KNOW, IT WAS WRITTEN BOLDLY IN THE PREFACE OF(NLT new living translation)AND I QUOTE;

''Mark Taylor (president of Tyndale House) explains that one of the problems he encountered as publisher of the Living Bible is that "despite its popularity ... it never received wide acclaim by pastors and scholars. Too often it was dismissed as being 'just a paraphrase.'" (2) So apparently the claim that the New Living Translation is a "new translation" is designed to prevent the version from being viewed as a "revised paraphrase."

LETS EXAMINE THE FRAUD;

Luke 11:42/Mathew 23:23; (NLT)2007 New Living Translation

"But woe to you Pharisees! For though you are careful to tithe even the smallest part of your income, you completely forget about justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes ,but you should not leave these other things undone.

''[size=14pt]You should tithe, yes[/size]'' IS A CRIMINAL ADDITION TO THIS VERSE AS THERE IS NO OTHER OLDER TRANSLATIONS THAT RENDERS OR ADD SUCH PHRASE ''You should tithe, yes''TO ITS TRANSLATION.IT WAS AN ACT OF FRAUD BY 'DISTORTING THE WORD OF GOD'

compare to the oldest bible translated directly from greek manuscript in 1611,
Luke 11:42
(KJV)king james version(1611)

But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: .:

The emphasis here is[b]''and pass over judgment and the love of God''[/b]
How do we know that?,
''these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone''.

in nutshell, jesus was cursing the pharisees that 'if they can be that carefull to tithe even the smallest of their foods, it should have been done together without leaving the accompanying parts of the law which are 'judgment and the love of God' separately.

This can be better understood by reading[b] james 2:10,[/b]
''For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, [size=14pt]he is guilty of all[/size]''

this is the point jesus was trying to point out, that if you must observe the law, 'you must observe all'

AND WHY DID JOAGBAJE CHOOSE TO USING MISLEADING INTERPRETATIONS OF RECENT TIMES, THE ANSWER IN NOT FAR FETCHED, IN THE BOOK OF 2 TIMOTHY 4:3;
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

AND FINALLY,AS TO WHY JESUS DID NOT NECCESARILY STOP 'AN EXISTING LAW ON TITHE' BINDING ON ONLY JEWS WHICH JESUS HIMSELF MET,BUT BECAUSE HIS COMING WILL NOT ONLY PUT AN END TO 'TITHING DEMANDED BY LAW' BUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE 'BINDING WRITTEN LAW' IS ABOUT TO END,

BUT THEN, WHY DO WE HAVE LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE,TITHING INCLUSIVE? THE ANSWER NOT FAR FETCHED;

Galatians 3:19,20.

19 Why, Then, Was The Law Given At All? It Was Added Because Of Transgressions Until The Seed To Whom The Promise Referred Had Come. The Law Was Given Through Angels And Entrusted To A Mediator. 20 A Mediator, However, Implies More Than One Party; But God Is One.

AND MORE TO THAT,[size=14pt]OUR JUSTIFICATION IS NOT THROUGH LAW, BUT BY FAITH[/size];VS 23,24


23 Before The Coming Of This Faith, We Were Held In Custody Under The Law, Locked Up Until The Faith That Was To Come Would Be Revealed.

24 So The Law Was Our Guardian Until Christ Came That We Might Be Justified By Faith.

AND TO NAIL THE HEAD, THE WHOLE ENTIRE 'BINDING WRITTEN LAW'(THAT ALSO INCLUDES TITHES IN ALL ITS ENTIRETY) AS A CODE ENDED WITH THE DEATH OF CHRIST;

Colossians 2:14,

14 Having Wiped Out The Handwriting Of Requirements That Was Against Us, Which Was Contrary To Us. And He Has Taken It Out Of The Way, Having Nailed It To The Cross.

[/b]AND [b]THE UNDISPUTED FACT THAT JESUS DID NOT INSTRUCTS HIS DISCIPLES AND CHRISTIANS TO TITHE, SHED MORE LIGHT ON THE FACT THAT TITHE WILL END 'ON THE CROSS'.NEITHER PAUL AND ALL OTHER APOSTLES TEACH TITHE TO CHRISTIANS,

GOD IS 'NOT OF CONFUSION' NEVER. JOAGBAJE, YOU CAN RUN,BUT YOU CAN NEVER HIDE!

What's thus long junk and rage about? Take it easy. Truth doesn't require fight. Cooool down. If you come with rage and insult ,I won't respond to you. If you can't display christian fruits in your choice of words and language I'm out. I don't talk with fools

2Corinthians 3:5
Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God ().

The word "sufficiency" in our text derives from the Greek word "hikanotes,"which means competence; being qualified enough to be able. It means to be "up to the task." When the Scripture says, "...our sufficiency is of God," it means our ability, our competence, our "up-to-the-taskness," is of God. No matter the challenges you might face in life, you’re up to the task; you’re competent to face whatever comes out against you and win. You’re not to rely on, or boast of, your human ability but of the life of Christ in you when you’re faced with any daunting task. God has given you a life that makes you competent. That’s why the Apostle Paul said in Philippians 4:13, "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
The Lord wants you to have the "I can do" mentality.

Anytime you feel incompetent or when others describe you as incapable, declare to yourself, "The life of God is in me, therefore, I can do all things; I’m up to any task." If you were chosen for something, don’t wonder, "Can I do it? Do I have the competence?" Your competence is of God. The power that works in you is God’s unlimited power; therefore refuse to be intimidated by your detractors and competitors. Fear nothing. Talk bold all the time. Have the "I can do mentality."Always declare who you are, what you have, and your ability in Christ Jesus. This is important because your life is influenced by your tongue. What you say controls your life. Keep declaring that God is your sufficiency; you’re up to any task and can make things happen! Declare that you’re excellent, and that you have an excellent life.

Pastor chris.

^^^
Clap for yourself,

So did people use money as tithe in the bible ?

musKeeto: Jo the crook, the best form of defense is attack, abi?

Where is my Mosquito spray? Pzzzzzzzzzzzz! . . . .gbam

plaetton: Don't be silly.
I do not collect millions from people everyday under the pretext of god.

you don't need millions to reach out. Some of our people people donated clothes shoes , medical doctors set up mobile clinics and travell by canoe to treat infection that came by flood. And gave antibiotics and other treatment. Apart from food donations and relocation of certain people to houses for temporal refuge. Loadds of Bags of pure water were sent to so many bevause they were drinking the poluted flood water. Etc

of So tell us about your church, what did your church do? What did you do ?

jp philips: calling is a fraud. jesus himself didnt recognize the so called "calling"

Really why did he called the apostles among others.

Mark 3:14
And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

our pastors see themselves as spiritually superior because they have a "calling". jesus in his infinite wisdom handed over christianity to normal people without "calling"

all the apostles are normal people, starting from peter the liar to judas to thomas.

That's a calling , he chose them as head in the church.

1 Corinthians 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

if jesus could hand over to normal people, who is that man on the pulpit to say he has a "calling"?

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

why didnt jesus look for people with calling?

Why will he look for calling when He is the caller .

is calling anywhere in the bible? we are all called, the pastor is a mere mortal like anyone else,.

Hebrews 5:4
And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, . .

Zikkyy: Lol! na wa for you. The extent you will go show that the Jews tithed money. Well i hope you are aware this same translation of Mathew 23:23 make nonsense of your position that Jesus encouraged or told us to tithe. There is nowhere in Mathew 23:23 that Jesus stated tithing to be something we should practice.

Matthew 23:23 The Message (MSG)
23-24 “You’re hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You keep meticulous account books, tithing on every nickel and dime you get, but on the meat of God’s Law, things like fairness and compassion and commitment—the absolute basics!—you carelessly take it or leave it. Careful bookkeeping is commendable, but the basics are required. Do you have any idea how silly you look, writing a life story that’s wrong from start to finish, nitpicking over commas and semicolons?

The book keeping has to do with tithe record na. That's what he is saying. "keep good record of your tithing ". It's as simple as that. The living bible makes it clearer

Matthew 23:23
"Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees, and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things-- justice and mercy and faith. Yes, you should tithe, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone.

Image123 should be reading this 10

Yes he should ,he will commend me.

Pastor Kun: Which biblical truth is it from the mistranslated bible you just quoted to deceive readers on this thread?

When you get hooked you start to get personal. Be humble to truth, art least be objective . I know it's hard for you to openly agree you've been wrong, after all the wasted years of your crusade against tithe to just see everything crumble. Especially your popular theory that money was never used in the bible . I just crashed that one under you on this thread. Glory to God. Every one is seeing the mighty kuns looking for ropes to grab, but unlike you I still communicate truth in love .

Did they use nickels and dimes in the time of Jesus

he could have used dollar, to bring it clearer to modern generation. The Ralph of solomon was calculated in dollars in some translations. A bible scholars should know that. Okay you can put shekels there .

don't worry your cup is almost full; better go back and continue doing damage control on the healing school thread.

I'm done with that thread there's no damage to control. I think I have said the importat things that needed to be said there . Children can continue children play there. It doesn't change truth

^^^
What did your own church do? What did you do. Before you criticize others. What have you done.? You can't put hand in your pocket and be pointing fingers to others . It's hypcricy .i know what I did and what we did. What did you do?

Some have said 911 attack was the destruction of Babylon. Trade tower came down within an hour . Well they are all assumptions

@op
Why should you be churches . Churches are doing their best for flood victims especially for their brethren . The question should have been for you , who have you helped ?

You should attend one church and stay where God has planted you. Every pastor is not your pastor .

You can only move arround for a while if you are searching for a right place .

^^^^^
Except not from the bible .

Pastor Kun: I see Joagbaje has started his biblical gymnastics on this thread using (mis)tranaslations that suit his fraudulent agenda. The original translation matthew 23:23 said cumin and mint NOT nickel and dime. And the pharisee said he tithes from all he posseses and NOT from his income. Even if that were the case, i don't know when the example of a pharisee became the standard christians are to copy except the christian is a hypocrite like the pharisees. I have no doubt in my mind though that there are quite a number of hypocrites on this forum who claim to be christians. The question one should askH is that did God ask the pharisee to tithe of all he possessed or he was doing it it based on the overzealousness the pharisees were known for which means nothing to God.

I'm not surprise at your comment. What else will you say in the face of biblical truth

Zikkyy: The problem with this is that you assume income to mean cash. *tithing from his entire income does not equate to tithing cash. His income could be 200 tubers of yam, the addition to his livestock in the year, it could be anything. It could just be his vegetables.

*Edited

How can the income for vegetables be tuber of yam!

The holy spirit is a person. He is a "HE" not an"IT"