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Ihedinobi: Are the two the same? If yes, why do you think so? If no, how are they not and which is the way of Christ?

Also, how do they play out in relationships, marital and others and in dealing with the circumstances of life that one finds themselves in?

Try to be clearer. What is resignation . Ar you talking about quitting or resign to fate

Logicboy03: You are as foolish as the backyard pastor in my village. Sorry for being rude but I m sick and tired of nonsense being covered with big words. Just because you use words like "exposition", "crystallized" and "entropy", doesnt mean that you are making sense. By the way, "dissipatory" is not a word.
After grammatically debunking you, allow me to tell you what is fundamentally and logically wrong with your OP;

All human beings should be equally treated. If your god had some sense, he would have given all of us the same grace in understanding him. No, he chose to use prophets, false prophets and confusing holy books

If ou have nothing meaningful o contribut, just walk pass. You mustn't talk

P.U.S.H:
Do bad people always turn out to become pastors? Have heard stories where some pastors are former cultist, womanizers, drug addicts,armed robbers rapist and so much more. Then at the end God arrested them to become evangelist.

It does happen but not in all cases. He specialize in using the nobodies to become life changers. Right from bible days. A good example was Paul .

1 Corinthians 15:9
For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

What is the fate of those who have not indulged in any of those to become pastors? A pastor without history? I guess. But everybody have their own bad side.

Someone like pastor chris came from generation of ministers. His family brought asssemblies of God to Nigeria. (great reat grand father, great grand father, grandfather and father ) it had been a family of pastors. He began preaching from youth, so many ministers ,never had a bad past. But it doesn't matter. God can choose anyone .

I think these are made up stories to attract members. Will you attend such church?

It's umbelief in the changing power of God. Why would someone lie in Gods name. it's easier to trust a saint than a former crook don't you think so?

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plappville: bold 1: There was never a fake Sabbath

I didn't talk about fake sabbath ,old testament things are shadow of the real. when I said Jesus was the true sabbath.

Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore let no one sit in judgment on you in matters of food and drink, or with regard to a feast day or a New Moon or a Sabbath.
17 Such [things] are only the shadow of things that are to come, and they have only a symbolic value. But the reality (the substance, the solid fact of what is foreshadowed, the body of it) belongs to Christ.

bold2: And there are several criptures that proved He did!

He didn't observe it. He worked on sabbath day. He didn't recognize it.

bold3: That makes it even more valid till date, fullfilling it is not cnacelling it, He gave the true definition of the Sabbath by making it a blessing.

The sabbath of the old is a shadow of the real rest in Jesus . Its a place we attain in him by faith an knowledge. Casting all our burden to him.We enter into this sabbath by faith. It's not in days and month. .

Hebrews 4:1-2
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

bold4: This rest is not the Sabbath rest He refered to.

It is . This rest is entered into by faith in Jesus . Not in observation of a particular day. Read verse 3 of that chapter.

Hebrews 4:3
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest , as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

CrazyMan: He said born again christian not an ordinary christian.

It's the same thing , A man that is not born again is not a christian. Being born again is not a kind of Christianity ,bring born again is Christianity .

Romans 8:9
. . .. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Pls can someone direct me on how to get hit man 5 on play station in nigeria

If you want to know if a christian can have demon living in him YES ! . But the use of the word possession connotes ownership. A christian can't be possessed by demon

Pastor Kun: Bros i gather that most of the sexworkers in Ikeja area attend CEC because that is the church they feel most comfortable with considering their profession. Are you telling me they are given special exemption from paying tithes and offerings there or you just turn a blind eye to it and accept the cash claiming ignorance of the source like the case of the sheraton guy that was paying tithes and offerings to you guys with stolen money.

There's no sex worker in CEC. Its only from your mouth such dirty talk is vomited .

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven Matthew 16:19

The news of disasters, terrorism and other ominous events, as reported daily by the news media, spread an uneasy sense of insecurity and apprehension in the hearts of many
around the world. But as a believer, instead of cringing in fear and hoping that somehow things will change, you
ought to recognize and function in your high place of authority in Christ

, "over and above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is
constantly being named…" (Ephesians 1:21 Wuest New Testament Translation).

God has given us so much authority, but we have to come to a place of knowledge and understanding of the Word. We have to learn how to exercise our authority in Christ and effect changes in His Name. We’re not helpless or hamstrung. The Lord Jesus told us in] Matthew 18:19-20:
"...If two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." By "two or three,"

He meant that even the smallest assembly, where only two or three are gathered, can come together to change anything! He didn’t say they needed to have enough faith; all that’s required is for them to come together and agree for a change. We speak for Jesus in the earth; therefore, we shouldn’t be quiet. If there are negative circumstances we don’t like, we
can change them. There’s so much power in the Church, but we can’t discover
the extent and potency of the power we possess with our mouths shut. For that power to be effective, we’re going to have to open our mouths and pray, and declare what we want to see in our world.

Pastor chris

ezme: The condition for redeeming had been well spelt out in verse 27, your example of a blind animal here is entirely your idea. Unclean animals alone can be redeemed. Unless you still consider any item today as unclean which would be against the word of God directly. The doctrine of tithing as practiced today is man-made, besides Hebrew 7 brought tithing to an end.

Once again, only you can tell yourself the truth.

No it's not my idea, I will respond to you fully much later. Pls maintain open heart

Tithe Is acceptable From those Who serve God. A sexworker is Not serving God.

If The Tithe is a blind animal,The Giver redeemes It With Money . True or False ?
Can you explain Verse 31

Pls explain it plainly for me.

truthislight: tith is for the ABrahamic covanant, and we are not in that covanant anymore.

I have been through this with you befor.

Hebrews 7:8 says that it is men that are dying that received tith in the old covanant, and in this new covanant christ is the high priest, and we know that he lives.

Meaning that in this new covanant it is not men that are dying that receives tith.

Beautiful ! And the man is Jesus christ who lives forever as our high priest. You only supported my position.

Theif!

Ouch ! ! you got the spelling wrong. I may not respond to you any longer , as youve degenerated into insults

truthislight: i will have called you a thief but left it out.

Clap for yourself for that .

Stop this twisting and fraud because tith is not for christians.

Quote your bible reference for that .

Going. . . Going . . .

@ truth is light.
Ar you ready now ?

child's play

So now it's abuses, you've ran of truth you claim to preach. If youre ready for discussion kindly open your bible lets discuss. But if you want to do abuse and insult , count me out . Thanks

Pastor Kun: And for the benefit of others following this thread, i am still waiting for you to get back on deut 14: 26 which you avoided in your deliberate attempt to twist verse 25 out of context.

There no twisting . The scripture is still in line . People convert the tithe to money. People convert offering to money, people coinvert first fruit into money. Its a simple as that. If you don't still agree. . I gave you a scripture to study and get back,


Leviticus 27:31
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.

truthislight: lies!!!

Prove it.

I dont pay tith and am ok.

Someoneelse will also say "I don't pray and I'm ok" it's your personal decision . It doesn't change truth

I give as my heart compels me.

It's still your peronsl decision

Tith is not for christians, stop this heavy burden/load you you heavy on people.

What's the source ?

Pastor Kun: As usual quoting incomplete verses out of context,

Was the bible written in chapters or verses? I'm not bound to quote every verse. I quote relevant ones . If I wrongly quote kindly prove it. You have used style to dodge the assignment I gave you.

you are a bare faced liar with NO solid biblical backing to support the fraudlent version of tithes you and your cohorts preach today.

I'm used to your style . When I box you into a corner ,you either run into hiding or you attack my person. Be a man , bring your bible ,let's talk

I gave you a scripture to explain which expose your lies, you want to cover it up with abuses

plappville: I think we should becareful the way we uses certain verse to silent the Sabbath.
We must remember that when Israel messed with the Sabbath God punished them in Ezekiel 20:11-12.
The book of Hebrew 4: 9-11 says the Sabbath remains for the people of God. Jesus did keep the Sabbath, afterall it was his own day for he is Lord of the Sabbath.

The sabbath day was a shadow of christ. The true sabbath is in Jesus . It is not a day but a place . A place of rest in christ.

to Christ’s own words in Matthew 5:17-19 and in some other verses in the bible, teaching people to disobey God and ignore any one of His 10 commandments can cost one eternity.

Jesus didn't observe the sabbath. The sabbath was a shadow of christ. He ended it. He worked on sabbath days . His disciples harvested on sabbath day.



Matthew 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.[/quote]To fulfill it . He did that he is the fulfillment. Sabbath means rest . Jesus is the lord of sa bath , and he had come to give rest.

[color=#990000]Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

plappville: Two questions for you sir,
Do you mean this verse was refered to the ancient Israel that rejected Christ only?

Yes precisely

And also what do you think His audience was like when He was talking?

He was talking to Jews ,to whom he was sent. And he was answering a Jewish question .

Was Jesus also telling us ahead of time that the Abomination of Desolation would happen on a future sabbath day?

Not exactly, there's probability.

Was the booty of war grain? Yet Abraham gave tithe of all . We give tithe of all earnings. .

Luke 18:12
. . . I give tithes of all that I possess..

Jacob vowed the tithe of all.

Genesis 28:22
. . : and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

The Jews didn't recognize Jesus as messiah , they still live in the old testament . During the tribulation full activity would have been restored in Jerusalem. The Antichrist will build them a new temple, while all the animal sacrifice and other temple activities will resume. On sabbath days they are not suppose to truck beyond 1 mile . if not it will be termed as "Work" so when the persecution of the Jews starts. Some will not be able to flee if it happens to be on sabbath day because they should travel on a sabbath. That one mile limit is called sabbath day journey.

Acts 1:12
Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

ezme: And you conveniently left out Lev. 27:28?

Brother Jo....I'm an advocate for logical arguments don't twist the scripture for your selfish purpose.
Read Leviticus 27:26-28

26 says all firstborns of all animals already belongs to God, so you can't dedicate them to God since they are already his. 27 went further to say if it is of an unclean animal(since some animals are deemed clean and unclean,this is evident in the trance Peter fell into before he was to see the Centurion)so unclean animals are not edible ( reason why they should be redeemed). In the event they are not redeemed, they should be sold.28 ... stated that nothing a man owns and devotes to the Lord whether man or animal or family land may be sold or redeemed , everything so devoted is most holy to the Lord.

It's base on same principles dear. Either for tithes or offerings. People gave cash that's my point . Confront the scripture I gave and stop looking for loop hole.

You guys claim that men didn't give money as tithes in the bible . And I'm trying to clear you on the principle of redemption. Men did use money as tithe. It is not pastors invention .If you're not yet clear on this let's discuss it more. Pls no insult

The only acceptable thing in the sanctuary were the things priests could use. Other things were not acceptable ,they were converted into money. For example Carmel is an unclean animal. If a man rears Carmel ,he can't bring a tithe of it. He will give money equivalent of it. Money is general medium of exchange . Also it's not every crop that can be brought to the temple . Others were sold and the money brought in. It is called redemption.

Leviticus 27:31
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.



You can redeem tithe , offering, or first fruit With money

1 Corinthians 15:57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ

When God raised Jesus from the dead, you were raised together with Him. Now, you’re seated together with
Christ,

"far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come" (Ephesians 1:21)

. Therefore, it makes no difference what happens in this world, you’re more than a conqueror; you’re a success. God has given you eternal life; a life greater than sickness, disease, failure and death; a life of peace, strength, health and prosperity.
The knowledge of these realities should evidently change the way you talk, walk or act. Don’t ask God to give you peace, strength, health, prosperity or make you a success. These and more are all encapsulated in the glorious life you have in Christ. I’ll give you examples.
First, the Lord Jesus said in John 14:27, "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you..." that means He has become your peace. Secondly,
Psalm 27:1 says, "…the Lord is the strength of my life…."

Thirdly, He’s your health. Isaiah 33:24 says, "And the inhabitant (of Zion) shall not say, I am sick…." Therefore, don’t talk sickness, because the Lord has given you health (Read 3 John 1:2).

In addition, He’s given you prosperity. 1 Corinthians 3:21 says, "Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours."

Then Philippians 4:19 tells us, "But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus." That means there’s no lack in your life; for the Lord supplies all your needs. Psalm 1:3 describes you as a tree planted by the rivers of water, that brings forth fruit in and out of season; and whatsoever you do shall prosper.

Pastor Chris

@pastor Kun

Are e you still of the opinion that men didn't give money as tithe ?

Kindly read this and explain


Leviticus 27:31
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.


Leviticus 27:27
And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation.

I will check it out and get back to that later .

Pastor Kun: since when did levites/priests become pastors/church

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

did God request for monetary tithes from income

People gave money as tithes in the bible. Wage workers gave money . Those who are into animal husbandry gave money . especially if their Animal is unclean. Like pigs ,Carmel etc . They redeem it with money. The only things people brought to the house of God were things needed for the priest in the sanctuary. Every other thing in converted to money. It is called REDEMPTION.

Leviticus 27:31
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.


Leviticus 27:27
And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation.

Deuteronomy 14:24-25
And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:

Pastor Kun: I seriously doubt if you and other manipulative tithe preachers have any plans of meeting God one day.

I seriously doubt if you and other manipulative church enemies and hate preachers have any plans of meeting God one day.