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Pastor Kun: Bros aren't tired of all these lies you keep spewing on this forum? Why do you enjoy ridicling yourself like this? It is now very clear to all and sundry on NL that mordern day version of tithes in the church is a scam and no matter how many lies you regurgitate it won't change the truth.

Zikkyy: Now you agree with me that it is not about commandment. This was what i meant when i said tithing as practiced today is not different from any other form of giving or church contribution. Joagbaje gives more than 10%, the caterpillar inventor tithe contribution range from 20% to 90%, Zikkyy can decide to give 40% to his church It's a matter of choice.

This makes it freewill offering, and i have no problem with tithe being preached as freewill offering (percentage to be decided by the giver). What am against is the use of the bible to justify a lie (i.e. the mandatory 10% lower threshold )

truthislight: do you really think as christians, we should individually have our own opinion on religiouse issues or it is what the bible says that should have the final say?

Pls answer this question, no bad feeling please.

Zikkyy: There are several kinds of giving in the bible (both old and new testament), but the categorization of givings into almsgiving, partnership, project, MOG offering e.t.c is pastoral innovation,

the bible did not make such categorization. As Christians we are required to give (show love) and it can take any form depending on the situation. The command for Christians to tithe is unbiblical. Fixed percentage giving (tithe) is a pastoral scheme designed to milk the congregation.

. This is definitely no way to preach Christian giving. It's like saying there are several kinds of love in the bible; like loving your parents, loving the poor is another kind of love, or you can say loving your pastor is different. The fact that the apostles advised we should love all these people is not enough justification for categorizing love.

Zikkyy: Nobody is saying tithe belongs to the devil. There are no rules for fixed % giving in Christianity, this effectively rules out tithing as a form of Christian giving.

Freksy: And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
-Revelation 7:14 (NKJV)

The great multitude envisioned by apostle John are those who will survive(come out of) the great tribulation. They will not be "raptured" before the great tribulation, but will experience and survive it. You cannot come out of something you have not experienced. The truth is many will perish and many will come out of (survive) it. Are you afraid?

Pastor Kun: So going by Abraham's example I can pay tithes only once in my life time when I get a windfall.

naves: the placebo effect is sometimes seen in medicine were a person can be given a sugar cube and be told that it is a special drug that can cure his illness and surprisingly when the person takes it , he/she was well.(for more information on placebo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo or http://www.skepdic.com/placebo.html ) my question is can is healing by faith be a much advance form of it. is there any similarities etc.

Zikkyy: Jo is not always truthful when it comes to cashflow. Jo can never be honest when it comes to the issue of tithe. Can you imagine Jo saying peeps in the biblical days gave money as tithe It's easy to know when Jo is not stating the truth (or when he's not sure of what he is saying); he simply disappears Jo will not post here until sometime in December or January 2013.

petres_007: @Joagbaje,

Although you haven't shifted position on this matter (and never will, unless CE does),

you come accross to me as having mellowed down a bit o. Just my impression

Here's my response to your post:
This is outright false! And you just proved it here with the usual excuse of ancient Israel being agrarian. God never allowed for money to be turned in as tithe - never. The Clergy "helped" God out with that part and this is why it doesn't hold up - it is a man-made modification to the biblical model, under which it was always agricultural produce from the holy land of Israel!

Zikkyy: Tithe as commandment was brought to an end, with plenty of scripture verse to support this.

What that means is that rendering of tenth is @ the discretion of the individual giving it. It's no different from other form of giving. What is a crime is the pastor teaching tithe as commandment. Tithing as preached today is the creation of man and influenced by greed.

plappville: Bros, Is tithe not for the Jews only just like the Sabbath is? am just wondering

Pastor Kun: Bros you keep making vacant claims that tithe pre existed the law, can you pls give us one single scripture that proves that God requested tithes prior to the law?

Chibest2000: den ar u now sugestin dat m@turbatn is religiously acceptable?

thelastPope: Congratulations! You just created the foundation for anybody to do what they like. From your position above, anyone can form their own doctrine and claim its a spiritual principle and claim that it works for them. There's a reason Rev 22 says you should not add or subtract from God's Word. Because of the kind of thing you just did.

The written word is the logos of God. It is the only guidaince for every believer in Christ. If you do anything and claim you are walking in some kind of spiritual principle that only you can verify and authenticate, then you are way into error and spreading some doctrine of devils. Anything outside the instruction of God's Word is a lie! You cannot write your own bible and you cannot create your own rules in the kingdom of God. You follow what has been handed over to us. All scripture is given by the inspiration of God. You are way out of line there!

St.Ola:
@Joagbaje, you have rightly said "there were 3 types of tithes". Yes tithes belong to the past, the decayed old testament that has withered-away. It has no business with the New Covenant. The blood of Christ has put to dead the reasons for such mandatory offering. Is it such rocket science to understand that Christ died for a reason? To perfect our reconciliation with God, which tithes, offerings, burnt offerings and the like could not accomplish. God in his own words has said "in those days, a new covenant I shall make with my people". In saying new, he therefore makes the former old."your offerings and sacrifices have not pleased me". He found a way to make it perfect yet you OBSTINATELY insist you want to be justified by that he which he has annulled. Next time a request is made for your tithes, ask to see the Levite who has refused the redemption of Christ, except you are a Jew.



Enough of the Malachi bullshit, Its not a new testament text, serving no purpose in this Christian Arguement. We all know Jews paid tithes as COMMANDED to, which they paid to Levites only as COMMANDED by God. As there no Levites, they have promptly stopped the practice. The same God that promised blessings and curses on tithes, has now said he has no interest, having provided a onetime everlasting sacrifice of the lamb of God.

Boomark: what of the other kinds of tithe. Also tell us Why the other kinds are now every week.

truthislight: what of "PHD"
Lol.

frosbel: in which case, I can also buy a bottle of brandy with my tithes and plenty of good food as the bible says we should , no ?


"25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household" - Deuteronomy 14:25-26

I mean if we are going to practise tithing we must do it with 100% accuracy , right ?

Logicboy03: Gerrout! Thief, Tithe Fraud!
Lol.......I would rather burn in hell than share heaven with a thief like you. Pastors like you are evil