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Boomark: They are all under the law according to the old covenant. That is why they are observed according to the rules God gave them.

But did it originate in the law? NO. So the emergence and exit of the law has no relevance. The order of Melchizedek is forever. As long as there's a highpriest ,there will be tithing and offerings. You can't separate the two. They per existed the law.

[quote]I cant explain how the disease came back,sinning here is ruled out,loosing faith should be ruled out too.I have the most faithful and born again husband, so re-infection is never the case.(oh how I pray that he is not infected).
Its so traumatizing especialy when it involves my whole family and more so my little one who is sinless. ..

It's sad that you didn't have a faith person as counsellor when this thing started . You are rather talking to wrong people who are try to destroy your faith. But you were taught all these things there. Don't you remember counter attack? I'm sure you were even given a booklet on it to study. That there's is tendency for some people to experience counter attack . And the book shows you how to deal with it. It's not God that is responsible. It's Satan. We have a responsibility to keep our miracles. Satan will be looking for ways.

I have not read the whole bible but am sure no where is recorded that Jesus Christ healed someone and later on they got the sickness back.

Luke 11:24-26
When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it roams through waterless places in search [of a place] of rest (release, refreshment, ease); and finding none it says, I will go back to my house from which I came.
25 And when it arrives, it finds [the place] swept and put in order and furnished and decorated.
26 And it goes and brings other spirits, seven [of them], more evil than itself, and they enter in, settle down, and dwell there; and the last state of that person is worse than the first.

Another thing that can bring counter attack is sin.

John 5:14
Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

So it doesn't happen to everyone. But it does happen . You deal with it by faith .and confession of your healing. If your faith can't carry ,simply get to a minister who can join faith with you. I would have prayed with you on the phone but i asked you Ito see the CEC Kenyan pastor , I was waiting for feedback . Don't give impression as though God power has failed . There's hope . Remember you yourself told me theres a lady friend who got healed of cancer and she is still healed. Do don't give in to the enemies of faith.

A Canadian couple recently gave a testimony how they got a baby. The wife didn't have uterus. And after healing ministration. She got pregnant and gave birth to a baby WITHOUT UTERUS! . Miracles abound every day .

nuella2: Kenya are you saying you were not healed?

I want someone to answer me,

She was healed quite right , I dont know why she's deleting her post. Post this is what she said

FROM: Kenyan 28:
. . In my case it was -ve and all symptoms disapeared. I cant deny that I was healed at some point. I enjoyed health for sometime. I just got it back,how? I do not know.

I remembered I called her that time when our friends here thought she was acting drama for us. I told her pls don't come and lie or give false testimony . We can't help God with a lie. She confirmed to me the healing. How can medical test change and. Symptoms cease? For over a year. . 8 year long HIV! Symptoms gone! And medical test prove negative. She was healed .

Kenyan 28: Put records clear here. I WASNT BARREN, EVEN HIV+ MOTHERS GET PREGNANT AND GIVE BIRTH TO HEALTHY BABIES. THEY GET MARRIED TOO.

I didn't say so. I was only. Calculating the events you enjoyed when you got healed.

THE SO CALLED MIRACLE HERE WAS HIV+ TO HIV- WHICH WAS SHORT LIVED.

It's an attack and I'm sure you must have been told about how to deal with counter attack.
There are several reasons in the bible. By which such attack Can happen. It can happen to some people. Not all cases.

The fact is, there was healing that was short lived not to mention about my cancer long dead friends.

But you mentioned to me about a lady who also got healed of stomach Cancer and till date she was still healed isn't that true? . Be very careful how you go about this so that you don't. Lose it completely .

There are several reason in the bible by which an attack can come back .you ought to have gone to a minister in faith quickly to help your faith. Instead of getting angry. You know you got healed . You know that. Don't let these voices of umbrlief rob you.

frosbel: How disgustingly false.

A miracle stays, when Jesus performed miracles as did the apostles, the effects were lasting not temporal.

To suggest that God performs a miracle and then allows the same sickness to return is to put a blight on his character.

Don't talk about what you don't know. It's only an attack she is experiencing . It's not God that brought the sickness. There's still hope the only problem here is that you guys are distroying her faith. Because once her language begin To change to doubt , it becomes difficult to heal her. There's still hope.

frosbel: They were still under the old testament levitical priesthood.

Jesus Christ is now our High Priest of a better covenant , and we are therefore no longer obliged to adhere to this old testament rite.

To bring God's blessed children back under the law is dangerous.

Tithing pre existed Levitical priesthood. It's a spiritual principle.

Boomark: 1 Is tithe a law in Israel?
2 Is priesthood a law in Israel?

You kindly enlighten us.

Image123: holier than Jesus, them dey here oh. Even Jesus told us to tithe. i will never ever tear off Matthew 23 from my Bible, Amen.

Matthew 23:23. (Living bible)
"Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees, and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things-- justice and mercy and faith. Yes, you should tithe, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone.

Most religious men value Jesus words more than epistles . But they seem to turn blind eyes to this . Jesus said. We should tithe . Nobody in the bible ever said otherwise . Not even God.

Boomark: Hebrew 7:12

For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Tithing didnt originate in the law. Melchizedek order was higher in rank than levitical order . Christ is in continuation of Melchizedek order. Levitical order was for jews . Melchizedek was not for jews. Jesus is high priest in order of Melchizedek . This is simple enough. Tithing as a principle existed before the law. Likewise offering and some other spiritual principles . The law was only an interruption , the abolishing of the law does not negate principles which existed before the law. If that's the case , we should do away with offerings ,prayers, etc

Christ is now the high priest and we all are priests.

God has always seen his people as priests . It's not a new testament thing . The new testament is based on old testament principles.

Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

So tithe has no place in the new covenant.

Men came up with that theory out of their greed or ignorance. There's no reference to such in scripture. Jesus spoke against sabbath and other things , but tithes was never spoken against . But rather endorsed by Jesus

Read Hebrew 7 and 8 well.

I have

Boomark: Hebrew 7:12

For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Tithing didnt originate in the law. Melchizedek order was higher in rank than levitical order . Christ is in continuation of Melchizedek order. Levitical order was for jews . Melchizedek was not for jews. Jesus is high priest in order of Melchizedek . This is simple enough. Tithing as a principle existed before the law. Likewise offering and some other spiritual principles . The law was only an interruption , the abolishing of the law does not negate principles which existed before the law. If that's the case , we should do away with offerings ,prayers, etc

Christ is now the high priest and we all are priests.

God has always seen his people as priests . It's not a new testament thing . The new testament is based on old testament principles.

Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

So tithe has no place in the new covenant.

Men came up with that theory out of their greed or ignorance. There's no reference to such in scripture. Jesus spoke against sabbath and other things , but tithes was never spoken against . But rather endorsed by Jesus

Read Hebrew 7 and 8 well.

I have

This is not about what a pastor say. But rather what the bible says . There was never a place where God put an end to tithing . Tithes and offering are for ever .
But The myth I set out the debunk here is the idea that men never gave money as tithe . And I have proven that wrong. Giving of money as tithe is not today affair. I only cited here one of the many reason men gave money in tithes or offerings.

Same principles applies to tithes an offerings. So on what ground does a man redeem his tithes for money?

ezme: The condition for redeeming had been well spelt out in verse 27, your example of a blind animal here is entirely your idea.

God only accept prefect things. NO spottetd, wrinkle, blemish, blind either for tithes of offerings .

Leviticus 22:22
Blind, or broken, or maimed, or having a wen, or scurvy, or scabbed, ye shall not offer these unto the Lord, nor make an offering by fire of them upon the altar unto the Lord.

Deuteronomy 15:21
And if there be any blemish therein, as if it be lame, or blind, or have any ill blemish, thou shalt not sacrifice it unto the Lord thy God.

Unclean animals alone can be redeemed. Unless you still consider any item today as unclean which would be against the word of God directly.

People only gave what is needed in the temple as tithes And offerings. Anything outside that is given in cash .

The doctrine of tithing as practiced today is man-made, besides Hebrew 7 brought tithing to an end.

Heb 7 only stated the end of levitical order. We are back to the Melchizedek order . One major thing Melchizedek was known for was tithe.

ezme: brother Jo... I'm still waiting on you over here

Pastor Kun: You go wait tire!

Tithing topics are not very insteresting for me really .. I force myself to post. I will post after service today unfailingly .

Meat is meat. But if your conscience is disturbed DON'T EAT.

1 Corinthians 8:4
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

1 Corinthians 8:10
For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

Rather it's the non tithers God called thieves.

Sirjohn we shOuld be careful how we go about things like this so that we don't. Shatter someone's faith . Let's lay aside our biases.

If someone who was diagnosed with HIV got ministered to and all symptoms stopped , not only that , the person went back to the.same hospital where she was diagnosed and medically tested negative . That must be a miracle .and for more than one year or more the person enjoyed sound health , that must be a miracle .The person eventually got married , and got pregnant. And after 9months gave birth to a sound healthy baby that must be a miracle .

Now whatever the case now that became a challenge to the health or so is attack of the enemy . You can't say she wasn't healed . That attack. Can still be death with .in the atmosphere of faith But such a one is sourounded with words of unbelief instead of helping her faith , we may kill that miracle . Such challenge may come to some folks . It can be death with permanently . It's called counter attack . There are several things which an cause it in some people. Jesus explained one of such in Matt 12:43-45

They rumoured this years ago. It must be another rumor .but If he has I don't think there is anything to hide there . We will know.

Horus: Is it the 419 version of the bible you are reading?
Below is the right version

Luke 11:42

42 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

I didn't write a bible , I only quoted a simpler English version. They are still saying the same thing dude.

Proofs that you are telling us lies, so you cannot be trusted PERIOD!!

You don't need to trust me. Just trust the scriptures okay. And that's what I quoted . If you have any problem with the bible ,then really have a problem

pastormustwacc: ^^^So where is satan and the dead sinners right now as we speak?

Dead sinners are in hell mostly. Satan still move to and fro mostly

Kenyan 28: My latest concern is why is this "healing" from Christ Embassy not permanent?? I have a few friends who visited the healing school, got their short lived miracles and now they are suffering from the same disease(s) ie it got back to them. For cancer cases, many are long dead. As I type this, 4 (four) people well known to me are dead yet after the healing school session doctors for sometime couldnt find the cancers.

My case is to be discussed later (the reason why I edited all my replies).
What power is this?


I thought God's healing is true and permanent??!

What about your healing from HIV ? You tested negative after the healing school. Right? So what's the situation with your health now?

pastormustwacc: Receiving and demanding for payments are another thing. Some pastors can spend 72hrs straight lecturing you on how to pay tithes.
I have seen some very very big christian books teaching you to pay tithes - listing so many rewards there - i never bothered to read them.

Pastors have taught on salvation, holy spirit, marriage, purpose, domain inion over sin , dominion over epdevils, prayer, how to fast etc. why is it tithe issue Satan always attack ? There really must be something speciall about the tithe.

Horus: Pastors who ask for tithes are scammers!!. Jesus never took from his congregation.

Luke 8:3
Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod’s business manager; Susanna; and many others who were contributing from their own resources to support Jesus and his disciples.

He never passed around a basket or tray to receive pledges and donations at the end of each sermon.

So where did he get money from? He even had a treasurer who bears the money bag.

John 13:29
Some thought that since Judas was their treasurer, Jesus was telling him to buy what they needed for the Feast, or that he should give something to the poor.

He never asked for a payment. Nor did he ever tell his disciples to accept [quote]money for their assistance as found in Matthew 10:8-10:
“Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.”

Study the embolded part to know what it means. They shouldn't charge money for healing doesn't mean they were forbidden from receiving . How will the a man be worthy of his meat without receiving . Does God drop money from sky?

*solid*:
Hi peep, this tithe issue has been bodering me so much.

From all the Bible I have read, I have never came across where Jesus Christ spoke about tithe neither did his disciples or the Apostles.

Luke 11:42
"But woe to you Pharisees! For though you are careful to tithe even the smallest part of your income, you completely forget about justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes ,but you should not leave these other things undone.

They majorly spoke about them sharing what they have with the needy.

Tithe Is a kind of giving. Alms giving is another kind of giving. One should not take the place of the other.

But we all know the way todays pastors hammer on tithe issue.

Really, is it only tithe they teach for one hour every day? Talk true . How many churches do you attend to know what they all preach. Let's avoid exaggeration pls. A minister teaches the whole counsellor of God.

Does it mean that Jesus Christ only came to save us and does not care about God opening upon us the windows of heaven for blessings?

Does it mean that God is waiting for you not to pay tithe and then cease ur security and blessings?

Does paying tithe make u rich or vise versa?

Pls am a born again Christian and I need other born again christian view on this. Your comment wld be highly appreciated as it wld set me on the right path again on this ish.

Thanks.

There' are several givings in Gods kingdom. Tithes ,offerings ,alms giving, giving to parents, giving to Your man of God. Etc. we must do all. Without neglecting the other. What to God should not take the place of what you give to the poor or what you give to your parents.

Every giving has its blessing. If you do it ,you have it's blessing, if you don't you simply miss out of its blessing that's all.

pastormustwacc: Where them bible readers please? Let them explain this mystery.

According to Job 1:7 and 1 Peter 5:8 Satan is not in Hell yet but roams on the earth. But most Christians believe sinners go to Hell immediately at death, such as the rich man in Luke 16:19-31. Does this mean that sinners are worse than the Devil himself. Also, demons are not in Hell yet either, because in the NT they are said to posess people and swine. Oya, where them pastors and sunday school teachers?

Satan is the land lord of hell. It's only a temporary abode. It's like awaiting trial prison. Until judgement when they all will be thrown into lake of fire which is the final destination of the wicked. Hell and her occupants will be thrown into the lake of fire too.

Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

0773H: https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3554/3402088280_c15fe6bf3b.jpg
Yummy, typical full English breakfast.

From this breakfast plate, which out of sausage, bacon and black pudding is now OK to eat and why or why not?
You can throw in ham sandwich, pepperoni, barbecue spare ribs, sweet & sour pork, hotdog, belly pork etc in the mix
however more particular about or interested in black pudding[/n]

I don't really understand the thread well . But if it's about eating right. All things are lawful. But all may not be profitable.

1Corinthians 10:23-24
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. 24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.

code_0: I've actually been having some arguments with my friend for some time now. She believes a man can only marries a woman out from her own church (i.e. If they were not already in the same church) and see it totally wrong for the woman to join the man's church while still friends/dating.

it's true in most circles. It is irresponsible act for a woman to abandon her church where's she's been raised up and having responsibility entrusted to her. Just because of a promise of marriage. It's a disregarded for her spiritual head there who ought to have given her out with a blessing. So she's right.

I tried to convince her that it's better for her to join me in my own church especially for the fact that during this courtship period she'll have the advantage to decide if she'll be able to cope with the new doctrine before marriage or tell the me she won't be able so that we'll just end up

It doesn't work that way. You been a pntecistal ought to know better about sense of responsibility. She should leave her church with honor. It's clear she's willing to join you up no matter your doctrine. So show her some respect . Except if she belong to a church where truth us not taught,then in that ground you are winning her over to truth not because of marriage. It's always better to mary from sme assembly as much as possible where

but she fines it had to understand this and hence refuses to join me in my own church.

That's maturity on her side. She's not yet your wife.

But then, she has given me her words that she'll change to my church only when we get married but am not satisfied too 'cos I want her to start learning and believing the same thing I believe before our marriage finally comes. Also, I've heard cases where the woman would not want to join the man in his own church after marriage even when she agreed that she'll. Another thing is that, she claims to be an active member in her church though I don't know how that can stop her from switching over.

If you want to get her acquainted with your church. Give her your church messages and materials to read and study.it's always advisable to marry from same church ,where you both have same convictions. This is one of the hurdles of interdenomination marriages. It's a work

seriallink: Nice, but is man's spirit mortal or immortal? Will a sinner's spirit be destroyed after judgement or continue to live in hell for eternity?

Man is immortal . Spirits are immortal. Even in damnation .

Man is a. Spirit being not a body. He departs to spirit abode when he dies .

Man is a spirit. He has a soul and he lives in a body . The body can die but he real man wo is the spirit lives on to face judgement

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16).

As a child of God, the love of God isshed abroad in your heart by the Holy Spirit. He now expects you to demonstrate that love, sharing it with those around you. God wants the world to see and appreciate the matchless beauty of His love. Take every opportunity in your daily encounter with people to express God’s love to them. Love for people is what really counts with God. God is love, and as His children, we’re to love like Him:

"Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour" (Ephesians 5:1-2).

Hatred for anyone, irrespective of what they may have done against you, is unacceptable to God. Jesus showed us the excellent example by loving everyone He met. He loved even His accusers; those who put Him on the cross. We ought to emulate the Master by loving everyone, no
matter the circumstances.

Pastor chris

Logicboy03: I have always known you to be intellectually dishonest with all your tithe preaching.

I'm not a tithe preacher but a gospel preacher. And you are not in anyway fit to talk about bible doctrines.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

To know bible truths , get saved first.