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The first thing needed for clarification here is to tell us who took the case to court . Is it you, or the police or who?. Who charged who to court?

If its a criminal case against you , she has to go and confess to them and the case can be withdrawn . A lawyer can advise you on how to kill the case . You have to forgive unconditionally . But she has to do the christian thing by confessing her error and God who she serve will help her.

Yes. There won't be carnival., I miss that too. The emphasis is to make sure time is spent to reach individuals one on one with a copy. House to house , shop to shop office to office. So that we don't have cartons of undistributed rhapsodies after October .

seeking@truth:
How come Jesus who hasn't Joseph's blood in his veins son of David?

Mary also came from David. That's why he was called the seed of the woman.

Why is Mary the woman whose blood runs in Jesus' veins lineage isn't recorded in the bible ?[/quote]Not really so. Jesus only got a body from mary, the blood of Jesus didn't come from Mary. The blood of a child doesnt come from the mother . The holy ghost overshadowed mary to produce Jesus , he was a child of the holy ghost . If Jesus blood came from Mary it would have een i
Possible for God ro accept jesus blood for sacrifice because Mary was a fallen sinner since her blood is from the fallen Adam.

The bloodof jesus was pure from adamic sin , it was pure. It wasnt a fallen blood .

Hebrews 13:1-2 AM
Let love for your fellow believers continue {and} be a fixed practice with you [never let it fail]. Do not forget {or} neglect {or} refuse to extend hospitality to strangers [in the brotherhood--being friendly, cordial, and gracious, sharing the comforts of your home and doing your part generously], for through it some have entertained angels without knowing it.


God's Word gives us an important admonition to show love to all men, especially our brothers and sisters in the Faith, including the strangers amongst them. Some people don't treat strangers right. Once they don't know you, they don't care about you, and wouldn't want to help. The Scripture, however, says we shouldn't be forgetful to entertain strangers, for by so doing, some have entertained angels unawares.

Several times in scriptures, angels appeared as normal human beings, dressed in regular clothes, like everyday people. For example, the Bible says three men appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18:2. One of them was the Lord, while the other two were angels. When the two angels went into Sodom and Gomorrah, the men of those cities saw them as ordinary men because they were just like anybody else. Also, in the New Testament, you find appearances of angels in human form, and today we still have such appearances.

Angels have the authority to appear in a glorified form or in a concealed manner, looking like ordinary people. This is why you must be kind to strangers. Don't hesitate to help strangers and treat them as well as you would if you knew them. This will boost your spiritual alertness to know the time of your visitation.

Pastor chris

mkmyers45: He didnt choose anything..He was pre-destined to betray jesus,there was also prophecy on what he will do with the money and how he will die..

It could have fallen on peter or John . Rember Satan came for Peter also.

Luke 22:31-32
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: 32 But I have prayed for thee. . .

Satan always look for common denominator in a person as an entry point. He entered the serpent in genesis because there was common character trait

Genesis 3:1
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Peter had some instability but he had a honest heart. But. Jesus had to pray for him so that Satan won't have him. Satan could have gotten Jesus also but Jesus had nothing of him.

John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

But for Judas he heard the teachings of christ but he was not following with a true heart like Peter and others . He was even stealing from Jesus . He had lust for money.

John 12:6
(Judas didn't say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief. He was in charge of the moneybag and carried the contributions.)

mkmyers45: Judas Iscariot was pre-destined to live,betray Jesus and go to hell..he was just to be used to boost up a well planned 'sacrifice'

God didn't create judas for such assignment. It was prophesied that an insider will be used of Satan to betray him. But God didn't stamp judas name on it. He had a choice. He had greed , he gave room to it. Satan came for him and he fell.

Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation. . .

It's be prophesied that some people will end up in lake of fire. But you see God didn't stamp anyone's name there. We have choices . And many are exercising that choice terribly even now on Nairaland..

@ Frosbel

I don't know what you mean by secret rapture. One thing is clear when the rapture takes place ,the world will not see us go. It's a disappearance in a twinkle of an eye. They may not know what happened . If that's what you mean by secret rapture , I will say YES .

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The rapture is not the second coming of christ. The rapture will take place 7 years before the second coming. At the second coming Jesus will come down and touch the earth and stay for 1,000 years But at the rapture saints will be caught up. It's a disappearance . Many will not still believe its the rapture because Satan is already producing films about Aliens taking men to thier planet , like the film "4400" and others just to prepare the world so that when the rapture takes place and people disappear they will say its an Alien invasion .and by that keep people in unbelief.

Image123: i asked the op and he dodged, I'm curious and would ask you too. Again, which one is deeper life doctrine? i sincerely doubt that deeper life leaders would agree to having some set of deeper life doctrines, even Kumuyi. Anyway can op list all the deeper life doctrines?

Every church has doctrines . Some based on understding and revelation there . And some may be based on wrong interpretation of scriptures by leadership there. And some may just be man made. The early church had doctrinal differences too. Every one is right in his own eyes . But grounds are shifting . Christ is purging the church to be pure. Every doctrine tree that is not of him will uprooted before the rapture . There will be unity of the faith and purity in the church.

Ephesians 4:13-14
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

@frosbel
Sorry ive not been online for days

frosbel: Kindly show me explicit verses in the bible that suggest :

1. A secret rapture

2. Second chance at salvation after this 'rapture'

3. That salvation will no more be by grace but death

Thanks

SECRET RAPTURE
I don't know what you mean by secret. But there's a rapture of the saints which will happen in a twinkling of an eye. Christians will be caught up. This is before the 7year tribulation. This is not the second coming.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Second chance at salvation after this 'rapture'

Yes After the rapture there will be second chance for those who are left behind. Israel to start with. It's during this 7 year tribulation that Israel shall be saved. So salvation will still be wrought in Israel and among Gentiles.

Romans 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


Revelation 6:9-11
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


That salvation will no more be by grace but death

Yes salvation will be by work. It's a common sense understanding. To be a christian during tribulation is a death sentence. Just like the scripture above. And this.

Revelation 17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

frosbel: anyway , one false doctrine that baffles me but which is totally unscriptural in deeperlife is the concept of second chance at salvation.

The scenario is like this :

- The Christians are raptured at a secret coming of Jesus
- Then the great tribulation starts
- From this time on , there is no more salvation by grace
- to be saved you will either confess in Christ and be beheaded or reject him totally


This is just plain nonsense and not supported anywhere in the bible.

This is not a Deeper life teaching. Its a bible truth

Omo Alata: Just watched a commercial on this church and they seem to be doing an excellent job. The commercial shows them looking after the fatherless, the poor, the widows etc etc by providing them with free homes, free schools etc and they are based in Abuja.

I'm just wondering how come the church is not well known. I've never heard of them before today. Does anyone attend that church?

Many churches are doing great things that is not known yet. Only few are seen on TV

illitrate: The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. (Deut.22:5)

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; (1Tim.2:9)

Christians are expected to dress right in the sight of God and man. No doubt it is not a difficult thing for the men to dress right. But for the women there seems to be "just a little problem" — just what constitutes a "modest apparel" and what apparel constitutes "that which pertaineth unto a man" without committing the sin of cross dressing

CAN SOMEONE JUSTIFY THIS?


AND THIS

JUDGES 13:4

New Living Translation (©2007)
So be careful; you must not drink wine or any other alcoholic drink nor eat any forbidden food.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Therefore be careful and drink no wine or strong drink, and eat nothing unclean,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Now therefore, be careful not to drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Now you must be careful. Don't drink any wine or liquor or eat any unclean food.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Now therefore beware, I pray you, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:

American King James Version
Now therefore beware, I pray you, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:

American Standard Version
Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink no wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:

Douay-Rheims Bible
Now therefore beware and drink no wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing.

Darby Bible Translation
Therefore beware, and drink no wine or strong drink, and eat nothing unclean,

English Revised Version
Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink no wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:

Webster's Bible Translation
Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine, nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing

Theres much wrong application of scriptures

2good: Its a shame that people regard you as a leader and spiritual father. Nigeria is really doomed with people like you heading the affairs of some men. You need to go back to the Dark age.

Just study your bible , you will be fine.

Either miracle or teaching . Ministration is ministration every minister should receive support . Its biblical , it's wrong for a minister to demand for money . But those who are blessed by a minister should learn to reciprocate according to their abilities.

Thanks brother

...They which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one Jesus Christ Romans 5:17

Many don’t understand the difference between righteousness and right living. Being born again, you’ve been made righteous by God, and that’s the only reason God would expect you to live right. He wouldn’t expect someone who isn’t righteous to live right. Religion teaches the opposite: that if you would live right, then God would make you righteous. That’s not what the Word teaches. Some say, "If you would just live right, then God will accept you"; that’s also inconsistent with the truth of God’s Word.

Righteousness gives birth to right living. A man can only live right when he is righteous. A dog barks because it’s a dog. A cat can’t bark, because it’s not a dog. A dog will bark because that’s its nature. In the same vein, after being born again, righteousness is no longer something you’re looking for or trying to attain, but something that you put to work. It’s the nature you were born with in Christ, which now gives you the ability to do right and live righteously to the glory of God.

By virtue of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, you’ve been made righteous.

2 Corinthians 5: 21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him
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Romans 5:1
" You’ve been declared righteous by faith: "Therefore being justified (declared righteous) by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"

This is the Gospel: that an ungodly person can become righteous by having faith in that which was done by Jesus Christ for us on the Cross.

- pastor chris

Pastor Kun: The term 'I bless God' is just pentecostal jargon. It is not possible for a man to bless God. At best you can praise or thank him. The verse below puts it in better perspective.

Hebrews 7:7
7 But without any dispute the less is blessed of the greater.

Except you are claiming to be greater than God, you can't possibly bless God.

It's play on words . Blessing God simply means " blessed be his name" it's not Pentecostal jargon.

Pastor Kun: Intersting topic but pastor chris can't have his members know that he is equal before God with them or he has no special annointing that his members don't have. That is bad for business

Try listen to pastor chris , he didn't teach otherwise. Work with facts

Delafruita: very ridiculous.muslims use the hijrah calendar and that doesnt make you believe in mohammad's migration from makkah to abyssinia or its significance

Calendar existed before emergence of Islam. Islam itself never denied Jesus. The simplest proof of Jesus existence is calendar. Every dating sets around him. BC or AD.

tobechi20: Pastors usualy expect benefits for performing a miracles. Few of them tel u d amount to pay before performing the miracle. Some tel u indirectly ; bles ur pastor and the miracle wil be permanent.

Should pastors be paid for performing miracle?

Jesus was very clear.

Matthew 10:8

Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give..

You don't charge for ministrying to people. But at the same time the bible instructs those who have been blessed by a minister to minister to such a won. In physical things. But jesus didnt say a minister should not recieve. So the point is . The minister trust agod for his need. He minister freely by the word of God. The congregation also recieved and practice Ministering , appreciating or sowing see to the life of the man who has blessed them . That's what the word command.

Galatians 6:6-7
Be Generous and Do Good 6 Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches.7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.

So God is not against a minister receiving . Jesus himself receive money and support from the people.

Luke 8:3
Joanna, Chuza's wife (Chuza was King Herod's business manager and was in charge of his palace and domestic affairs), Susanna, and many others who were contributing from their private means to the support of Jesus and his disciples.

A minister is sustained by his faith. Congregant are blessed by their giving. Every body should do what the word instructs them. If there's any minister that change money for preaching or healing , he will corrupt his anointing .

tobechi20: Do u think that science is more accurate than bible?

Science is not more accurate. A true science is confirmed by the bible. The bible never said the earth is 6,000 years old. There's evidence in the bible the earth is millions of years old

Niflheim: the bible claims that there was evening and morning before the sun and moon were created(false)it claims that the sun stopped moving for josua(false,it does not move in the first place).

That was the understanding of the writer then. And that was what scientist taught in that generation. One the was clear . The sun stood still for a day. It is scientifically proven that a day is missing.

Great video , great deliverance , Godprophet .it's good to see the power of God in increase in manifestation in our generation.

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

(1 John 5:4)

The Lord Jesus emphasized the importance of words. He used words in a most unique manner. When He spoke, blind eyes opened, deaf ears were unstopped, the lame got up to walk, and even the maimed were restored. His words were different, and full of power. It was His confessions that got the Jews offended at Him; He spoke like no one else. In John 16:33, He made a very remarkable statement to His disciples saying, "...be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

How did He overcome the world? He did by speaking faith-filled words. He conquered the world with words. Jesus tamed the system of this world through His faith-filled confessions. In John 6:63 He said,

"...the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

His faith-filled words startled the Jews and they wondered at Him, asking, "What manner of man is this?" He had no sense of fear. When He encountered the lepers, He said, "...Be thou clean...." (Luke 5:13) and the leprosy was gone.

Being born of the Word, the Bible says your faith is the victory that overcomes or subdues the world. You can tame your world as Jesus did by speaking faith-filled words. The Word of faith in your mouth will change circumstances. Refuse to be sick. Speak faith-filled words about your health, prosperity and success.

CONFESSION
I know who I am. Greater is He that's in me than he that's in the world. I'm walking in victory, dominion and righteousness. No weapon fashioned against me shall prosper because I'm born of God, and my life is hid with Christ in God.

Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts (Zechariah 4:6).

In Luke 24:49, Jesus instructed His disciples to wait in Jerusalem until they were filled with the Holy Spirit, because He knew they needed the divine enablement to accomplish the task He had given them. He wanted them to make enduring impact with the Gospel. In fact, during His own earthly ministry, He wouldn’t do anything except by the Spirit and through the Spirit.

In John 5:19. He said “…Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

In John 14:10 (WEB), He said, “…the Father, who lives in me, does the works.” He was referring to the Holy Spirit.

Nothing you do will be acceptable to God or have any eternal value except that which is done through the Spirit. No matter what purpose you’ve been ordained to fulfil in life, without the Holy Spirit, you won’t achieve much. In Hebrews 9:14, the Bible reveals that Christ had to offer Himself through the Spirit:

“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God…”

Learn to function by the Spirit and through the Spirit. Be continually filled with the Spirit in order to be consistent in your faith-walk and live the supernatural life to which He has called us in Christ. The Apostle Paul wrote to the saints in Rome saying

, “Never lag in zeal and in earnest endeavour; be aglow and burning with the Spirit, serving the Lord” (Romans 12:11 AMP).

3kay945:
This is a huge joke. this is what we get when people are brainwashed . in the name of Religion.

I don't think it's a joke . I have prayed for people and strange substances came out of them. Like such as stone , long pin ,blood, phelm etc . If you doubt these things , simply visit churches where supernatural takes place.

You will believe and if it's faked you can expose it with facts

Acidosis: But I am not of the world..
You can not deny the fact that your church members & pastors surf social sites like facebook during sermons..

In a teaching ministry , people rather type in their notes in the bible application.

Satan is a tricky idi.ot, you know?.. His plan is to get us busy with the inter and intra net such that christians would be soooo lazy to take their bible out for evangelism..

I thought you're talking about church services, we don't do evangelism inside the church , we write notes.

And you and I know you really can't win a soul to christ on the net.. This minute you are preaching to him, next minute you both are seeing adds that can either distract you or lead you/him to sin..

I Have won soul on the net . But i agree it may not be as effective as face to face or bus evangelism.but using iPads and stuff in church is not really about Internet . It's about having your whole study materials in your palm. Bible translations etc. why will someone be surfing net in church? Except nairalanding

Acidosis: Some Pastors now want to rely on all the new technological gizmos. Personally, I'll be offended..don't like the idea of Pastors preaching after downloading series of ebooks, and bible pages from the net.

Its nothing but a distraction Satan is using to cause many not to listen to the voice of God. Texting, playing games, surfing the internet, etc., but if you have the Bible open, you cannot just push a button or touchscreen and surf, etc.

Imaging praying and casting out demons with ipad..?

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Can the members also drop their Bible? atleast they have Bible apps on their phones

Are you just getting to know? The future of the world is mobile technology . IPad and tabs are order of the day in CEC . Members and pastors . God is in it. Why should you stay behind ?

For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us
(2 Corinthians 1:20).

If you’re born again, every promise in the Word of God has already been fulfilled in you! That’s what the Word teaches. I remember telling this to a group of ministers and one of them asked me, "What about heaven? Isn’t that promised us?"

Heaven isn’t a promise because we were born there

: "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven…" (Hebrews 12:22-24).

So you see, you’re a bona fide citizen of heaven

: "For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:" (Philippians 3:20).

The fact that you’re still on earth doesn’t preclude you from enjoying all the legal rights and privileges of your heavenly citizenship. Let me illustrate it this way: Let’s suppose you’re a citizen of the United States living in South Africa. Does the fact that you’re not living in the United States nullify your American citizenship? Or is your citizenship a promise? Certainly not!

It’s the same thing spiritually. The Bible says heaven is our home; it belongs to us now. Therefore, it’s not a promise. When you study the Scriptures, you’ll realize that the Christian is a possessor.

1 Corinthians 3:21-23 says, "…For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours….

" Simply, you own the world. Therefore, find out from God’s Word your present-hour inheritance! Find out what He has made you and given to you to enjoy. Decide to enjoy the best in life today, for your best life is NOW. Hallelujah!

frosbel: 1. Caught up in the air does not mean going to heaven

So what does it mean? Going down to Hell? What do you say then about Jesus going up Frosbel? Let's be honest pls. Wherever Jesus went to when he was caught up. That is where the believer will go when he get caught up.

2. Paul is not yet with Christ , I can show you tons of scriptrue to prove this point but heres one for now :

"Then, when our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies that will never die, this Scripture will be fulfilled: "Death is swallowed up in victory." - 1 Corinthians 15:54.

It's a simple thing , he was talking about resurrection. Their spirit goes to heaven , the body transformation is future . Body goes to the ground ,spirit goes to heaven.

Funny thread , all should be enjoyable to the spiritual man.

Pastor Kun: The summary of this heretic teaching by Charlatan Oyedepo is that his followers should learn to be selfish and say NO to others that might need their help. This teaching is quite clearly contrary to the teachings of christ who teachesus to help those in need around us and can only come from an anti christ. I also hope his followers learn to say NO to him when he asks them for illicit tithes, offerings, seeds and other rackets he developes to reap off his deluded followers.

What is heretic is this simple wisdom teaching. Must you be a sworn critic? . The teaching aboove are simple principles from book of proverb . OMO ARAYE CANNOT BE PLEASED .