Thanks so much. However, I'm not going to go by the leagues they play. How do you compare a player who has scored 5 goals in the Norweigian top tier to a player who has scored two in Serie A And what if the player in Serie A has not scored any goals. Does just playing making him ahead of a player who has scored say 10 goals in the Belgian league? We don't have a standard of comparison. Maybe we can find a common ground
junnyjake: 1. Bonaventure - Moved from Ukraine to Belgium and he hit the ground running straight up. I hope he picks up from where he stopped after coming back from injury.
2. Francis Uzoho - Being the youngest foreign GK to feature in the LaLiga simply means he had a positive impression on his handlers. Impressing also on his NT debut.
3.Orji Okonkwo - As a foreign teenager, making your way from the B - team to the 1st team is no easy feat, scoring 2 goals in the process too. Worth applauding.
4. Bright Enobakhare - He's been doing fine for Wolves presently, scoring goals, so he deserves a place in the list.
5.Chidiera ejike - This young man, if he continues with his present form, he won't last long in Norway, the kind of goals end scores as a midfielder tells you about him quality.
I think you are misunderstanding him. Read his following posts.
enigmaticmotik: Good comment all through except for that last paragraph. He shouldn't have written such, I know he's one of the oldest contributors here and should be a true leader that he is
“I played against Angel Di Maria, a great player of course, and I cannot quite realise that I can play against him Defensively, I stood my ground, and offensively I tried to do as much as possible, and it all went well, I think.” “All of a sudden you play against world stars, normally you see them on TV or you play them with FIFA on the computer,” “I think it (playing against Argentina) went well, I have a lot of speed and I try to get a lot of the ball,” “I think I left a good impression, it would be nice, that I play at the World Cup next year.”
The last quote is the only one where player seems to suggesting something. But the player is just saying he THINKS he left a good impression -- which he actually did. But the following remark is a hopeful one. Even players that didn't get to play are still hopeful, and they have as well expressed their hope. It's not in anyway saying he deserves to go to the World Cup just by that performance if that's what the headline was suggesting.
MetalJigsaw: I didn't just read the headline, I read the quote too. And you can see the contents.
Well like I said naturally all tribes will be represented. But we can't expect an equal distribution. So we are saying almost the same thing. It's just like expecting that Americans would have lots of soccer stars, when in reality many of the kids will not consider soccer as their first choice. So their best athletes gave american football, basketball etc more priority during their development because that's their top sports nationally. So yes different tribes have different value system. The Yorubas have always been known to put priority in education. So that can be a factor. Although your typical upbringing can also be seen in other non-yoruba homes. So what you have here is a generalization.
Growing up I've realized success has many definitions. The focus on education is mainly to acquire jobs, but we are no longer in the industrial age. Things have changed a lot and that's why we see successful people in so many different fields of endeavor.
Kog45: Yes the best should be given chance but when it come to sports pls give it to south east and south south and if you see any south west or northerners in sports they are extremely good.
It's simple northerners don't give their ward very access to sports though the north central still allowed their kids to do sports but can't be compared to full blessing Igbo or South South man w give his children.
Am a Yoruba man and i know how Yorubas take sports, they want you to be in school most Yoruba guys you see in sports are stubborn types,very few see the support of their parents.
My growing up as a boy who love football and very talented was difficult cos my Dad believe so much in education, our house was just a minute to the Stadium. I wake up to see stadium main bowl every morning.but dodge to go to stadium despite my talent.
My mates who have the opportunity of going to the stadium were well developed after secondary school, one even make it to Japan 93 squad in 1992 as secondary school boy,some played in the local league, some played professional football, at least 5 played as a full fledged national team player,one played in EPL while one played as FB for an European country at 2002 WC.Most of these guys are Igbo boys.
After my sec sch i have little freedom in the university but i w not deceive you too late cos my peers in football ahead in term of fitness and confidence,I just played normal University games nothing more,my mind was on education not football.
What am try to say is that the Igbo and Niger deltan we always have an edge over other tribes.They received early support from their parents than any other tribes and there is no way you can meet up with them,that's just the fact.
Okay Icon4s SerVik kog45 solonnachi Mujtahida junnyjake and the rest of us online how would you order these names: Bonaventure Yahaya Osimhen Kelechi Nwakali Francis Uzoho Orji Okonkwo Bright Enobakhare Kingsley Michael Sincere Seth Tega Ejaria Fikayo Tomori Joel Osoro etc
Mujtahida: Precisely my own predicament too@Joebie
Mujtahida: Bros, those who have spoken with and to Rohr say that the man has very clear ideas what he wants and the direction he wants the team to go. Many of the things we say here are borne out of ignorance and misinformation. If we knew better we would judge more appropriately. But alas, here na village square, we just gat to talk. Sometimes we are right, sometimes we are wrong.
I also have a tribe, and if Etebo, Omeruo and the like don't make it to Russia tomorrow, I won't cry foul. It's not like they have been outstanding.
Modified And even if they are outstanding, nepotism will be the last thing that will come to my mind.
Mujtahida: This is precisely where the problem lies. If one wants to see corruption, nepotism etc he will see it. To the pure all things are pure. Sounds naive but it's true. As fans our concern is just for the team to perform. Shikena
I need your opinions Icon4s SerVik kog45 solonnachi Mujtahida junnyjake and the rest of us online right now. Name your top 5 Nigerian teen footballers based on their performances so far this season.
We will be promoting mediocrity if we keep calling for federal character. The best should always be given a chance regardless of where they come from. Naturally every tribe will be represented in all sectors.
Kog45: Look am a Yoruba man but that's the fact,every tribe knows where he belongs to when it comes to sports, economy, social,IT,politics.
oga just drop the broken record. you have overplayed it. It's not like Rohr and Agu are even getting your messages.. Or maybe if you open a new thread we can help you get it to the top. That MIGHT help your case.
Mickael2: So for you the fact there is that they have 'pea-sized minds', I am pretty sure you cannot conduct a brain surgery so tell me how you figured out the size(s) of their mind(s).
Like Mujtahida implored though, I am sorry for questioning your life's achievements, I have never met you personally nor you me, so I was wrong to go that far, accept my sincere apologies
Kog45: Mujtahida you belong to a class here so don't join all these roforofo fight,leave them to sort their issues out.
Pls let's talk football, anybody that want 11 Yorubas or 11 Igbos in the XI should go ahead,there is no short cut in football cos players were always expose.
I can tell you we have some bleeping tribal guys here but you just need maturity to get along.If you have third eyes you w know them,they hide it but they are real sectional.
I hope this thread w not be turned to political thread were you hear zombie, wailers,afonja,ipobs.This is football thread and we are all here for a purpose, the growth of super eagles.
Let me tell you basic fact a TRIBAL man we always identify tribalism, so if they like they should keep on mentioning Kunle,Gbenga,Abiodun, Bola etc or Ebere,Chukwu,Chidi, Chukwudi etc the best w always play for eagles.
Icon4s said he has learnt to ignore comments that w not yield any result than for one to make a statement out of annoyance that one w be regretting later.
Petrobas was force to make a statement you HATE IGBO cos he cannot ignored, better for us to learn how to ignore and move on.
Let me tell you basic fact about me if i quote you and I see that you are not the type i don't quote again. If am wrong i apologize immediately, am not here to win trophy but to share ideas and learn.
Forgiveness is free to say anything as far he didn't disobey the rules of the thread,the best if you cannot have healthy arguments with him you move on.Let him name any player it's his opinion he can't force them on Rohr and is free to criticise him,nobody business.
Remember have come here several time to analyze factors that can be responsible for players invitations and you make your own contribution, so what is big deal in what Forgiveness is saying regards player invitation.
I have some monikers i take delight in having discussion with regularly,some very rear,some i don't quote cos it w end in insult.If i quote and i noticed our discussion is losing basic respect i cut off i can even say am sorry or OK just to end it.
Mujtahida,Jobie, tbaba1013,Junnyake,four of you belong to a class here if you don't know and you guys are too big for this distraction cos we source a lot from you.
The fact remains FOOTBALL belongs to the IGBOS no debate on it,any tribe feel marginalised w just be wasting their time.
@ bolded hahaha I'm not Igbo oh.. but that statement can lead to more pages of arguments.
Go back many pages and you will see I listed Chidiebere among the about 40 something or players I included in my Super Eagles formations. I have been monitoring the player, and in fact most of the Golden Eaglets (class 2013). I don't think his call up is out of place. However, it is debatable if we decide to talk of other players that have been seemingly ignored. But of all those alternatives mentioned so far, none have been particularly impressive in terms of recent stats. Why are you always in a hurry to cry foul? And the reason is you already have a preconceived notion. That's the problem.
I am a critical thinker and I analysis issues based on the parameters on ground.
My opinions are not formed from illusion or delusion but from the facts on ground.
Now, before you start calling me names, let me present to you once again the matter that led to your false accusations.
Your false accusation came after I replied a comment that said and i quote. 'Once you perform you get invited. Same trend happened with Ighalo, Onyekuru, Uzoho. All talk about bribe, corruption and nepotism are unfounded and should be hushed up'.
As you can see, the @ bolded caught my attention. 'Once you perform you get invited' my eyes popped out ..toyonyon.. What! for where!
In response, I emphasized on three players of which one invitation is very questionable and raised eyebrows.
That particular player is Chidiebere Nwakali of whom if we speak statistically has done nothing tangible, in regards to performance this season to have justified an invitation.
Or do you think he justifies an invitation based on that quotation?
See I can also call you a bigot and tribalist if you justify his invitation because your are IGBO.
I can even tag all those who did so as IGBOS because majority of his supporters here are IGBOS but I am very careful to restore to name calling and eventually ruin my reasoning hence the need to analysis issues based on solid facts on ground which I have done so far.
However, the debate on 'once you perform you get invited' again raised my curiosity and doubt when Kayode is put into the picture.
Because if 'once you perform you get invited' is the SI unit measurement used for invitation then why was Kayode Olanrewaju not considered on the three occasions he found himself in team?
Pls, take note that on those three occasions that he was finally invited, Kayode was not initially on the list despite his eyes catching performance that won him best player and top goal scorer in the Austrian league which was also acknowledged by Man city and Guardiola.
Now, to add salt to injury, when he came for the first two friendlies, the coach didn't deem it fit to try the new kid on the block on the position he won awards and didn't even start him in the second friendly but rather he played him out of position and gave him 14 and 20 minutes each. What dos that mean? Is friendlies no longer used to see players?
The last time he called him due to injures on the part of players initially invited, it was for a dead rubber match and a friendly but he gave him just 3 minutes out of 180 minutes of football. Smh
But you think all is well and his assertion should not be contested?
Abraham who was just invited to the English had started for England and so it was done to any player called by the top teams in the world. Why is ours different?
Alampasu has not been given the chance since he was invited despite the fact he did very well against fc Porto. Abi, is Girona better than fc Porto?
How come he has not been tested over 5 good friendlies?
Or having a clean sheet against former UEFA champions does not impose enough confidence in Alloy Agu?
Think Think and Think.
Now, Igbo is me I am Igbo. How? I am no saying I am but that is it..
We all know he is just sneaking Onomah in there. Not like he would celebrate if Rohr gives Onomah a call up I hate to even think about tribe for a second.
junnyjake: As it stands now, don't you see it happening?
Solanke, Azeez, Raheem, Lookman, Aluko, Sanusi, Onomah etc.
zuchyblink: Rohr is not a Nigerian. He selects players based on merit. You cannot feature kayode, ademola, Solanke, tammy, nwakaeme etc over nacho knowing nacho's exploits in SE. Lets stop this bigotry. We cannot afford to bring it to sports
I wish I were Rohr's scout. I will make sure any name that comes from your lips don't near the SE, just to see you wail again and again. I'm enjoying it.
forgiveness: Ademola Lookman acheivemet didn't go unoticedlast season na. That's why he was nominated alongside the likes of Dele Ali and even our own Alex Iwobi for EPL young player of the year.
5 STORIES FOR NOV. 21, 2017 1. Golden Eaglets (2015 Class) forward, Orji Okonkwo pulled Bologna level with a header in the 74th minute to help them seal an away win at Verona. Final Scores: 2-3
2. OGN reports that Super Eagles coach, Gernot Rohr is set to hand Joel Obi a recall to the Super Eagles for March friendlies. 3. Speculations that Kevin Akpoguma has already turned down Nigeria is premature. The former German U21 captain had revealed his connection with Nigeria in an interview conducted by FIFA back in 2015. The player attributed his athleticism and his social nature to his Nigerian heritage, and has been to Nigeria twice, as his grandparents reside in Benin City. His decision will be made known soon as Rohr is expected to put a call to the 22 year old defender in a couple days. Akpoguma can play all positions in the defense-line. 4. Emem Eduok was adjudged the MOTM with a rating of 8.24, courtesy of statistical football website, WhoScored. Emem got rave reviews after scoring Kasimpasa's winning goal away to Karabukspor. The one-cap Super Eagles forward had 3 shots on target out of an attempted four. He made 2 successful tackles and won an aerial duel. He completed 23 passes out of 29 attempted, and had a total of 57 touches for the over 90 minutes he spent on the pitch. Compatriot, Kenneth Omeruo had a WhoScored rating of 7.79 for keeping the opponent quiet all encounter. 5. If you don't already know, former Hansa Rostock forward, Victor Agali, has been appointed by Gernot Rohr as an official scout.
And so what if it is the Super Eagles? Is it not your Super Eagles that is in Pot 4 in World Cup seedings? Is that a World Class team that Dessers cannot break into? So, if he cannot break into the Belgian team that is in Pot 1, he should not break into a team in Pot 4?
Try him first, if it doesn't work out, fine. He has declared for us, he is a decent player with a better goal scoring record than some of our forwards and in a better league than others, so let us not assume his competition is in the mold of Lukaku or even Gabriel Jesus.
OGN already has it that Nwakali wil not get a second call up. I'd so like that IF TRUE so that he would prove many of your\ wrong. That guy will move up without SE. Mark my words.
komekn: I have this conviction all things being equal no matter the challenges quality will eventually shine. If you are doing well no matter the league you will move upwards. Ndid did it from nothing to everything.
No help required.
I knew Pogba at United but his senior brother more who was at Crewe in England more as well as his twin in France. Pogba was the undoubtedly stand out player in the academy no contest. The academy coaches took him out with a bad report to Fergie, Well he left and went to Juventus and the rest is now as we say history. Best Midfielder in the world.
He does not merit a call up its simple no justification beyond personal preference.
komekn: I asked the question quite some time ago how is it possible that a standout player irrespective of nationality in the lowly Norwegian league.
Was somehiw omitted for a player who is in a low level team that's third from bottom of the league Nwakali. But this Samuel arguably the best winger in the entire league with Rosenburg possibly thier best team over the past 10 years was missed. By the esteemed faceless scouting crew of the NFF baffling but not surprising.
you need to have a number of high profile games under your belt to to show that you can step up. they aren't good enough compared to those chosen ahead of them. Get the context?
We are saying the same thing somewhat. Experience puts you at that level of officiating. How about the older ones that have been doing it? aha
somehow: I doubt it, maybe they look at "experience" before picking because we have about 2 young Nigeria ref (Qadri Adebimpe and Ferdinand Udoh, both less than 30yrs (very true to their ages) and have been officiating both CCL, CCC, nations cup qualifiers and world cup qualifiers. Look them up, they are FIFA badged refs.
Wonderful cross from Joel Obi. We need that kind of option in SE. He is my pick to deputize Mikel. I don't know about his ball holding capability. But he offers even more attack-wise.
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