Okay let me repeat, we will be playing with a 5-3-2/3-5-2, not 3-4-3. So it is a cautious approach. I see lots of cover in defense, but not much intent going forward with this formation considering our personnel.
Balogun has always played at LCB. Nothing new. The only thing is he will be playing with a right-footed LB once again. Aina is not poor with his left, but his right is his stronger foot. Now let's talk about those two chances. Are you speaking about the crosses that went past him or when he played the ball away to safety for the corners? Aina is good in man marking. You can see how he marked out Mahrez. The removal of Mahrez was a perfect strategy. And the player who came in must have been instructed to cross and not try to beat Aina. How about we wait to see Aina again today before we make a conclusion? Yes Aina being played there in his club would help him get even better quickly at LB, but don't forget that Aina is a stop gap solution to our LB problem. Yes, and Idowu should get his chance today. I have already made my point that Balogun helped Aina against Algeria, and Aina also did his share helping Balogun, although not excellently well. Shehu wasn't very impressive at first when we played him as a RB. So let's expect Aina to improve there.
Shehu will defend, at least that's what the formation suggests and that is his asset. He MAY not go forward much. But the instruction could be for him to go forward more. Let me repeat what I already said. We had dedicated wingers in the past, so Shehu's support at the front wasn't needed much. So he could have been playing to instruction before now. Let's see how our analysis will pan out tonight.
As regards Ndidi, Mikel did not lose his AM capabilities in Chelsea. Likewise I expect Ndidi to play to his potentials as a DMF -- Leicester or not. I see both Ndidi and Ogu sitting back in a defensive double pivot way when we are defending such that Awaziem and Balogun could even support the wide areas should our wingbacks be caught napping. I want to think that's how the 3CB formation works.
Again I want to say this is a defensive formation, a cautious way to start the game. I expect Rohr to change things in the second half with substitutions
Balogun and Aina played together on the leftside for the first time against Algeria, safe to say that our leftside nearly cost us that match, they created two good chances from the leftside. You are misunderstanding the dynamics here, these are two right-footed players on the leftside of our defence which(just like against Algeria) will leave spaces for opponents to exploit. Awaziem starting there is ofcourse not a problem but I would start Shehu there,I will get to that.
Aina ofcourse is a fantastic wingback we all know that, infact he isn't even a fullback but a wingback BUT on the leftside he will be limited that's my point. Also you cannot teach him how to play with his weaker foot when you only train him for a maximum for 2months in a year, his club needs to help, why do you think national team coaches visit clubsides? Like you pointed out, our forward line is going to be very narrow which means Shehu will mainly provide width not even defending, you cannot play a 3-4-3 without true wingers and expect the wingbacks to sit back except you are parking a serious truck, in a friendly that would be shameful. Worst still if Shehu has to concetrate mainly on defence it would require him to bomb forward during counter attacks, where is the pace? When you consider that Mikel is our AMF you see how much extra pace is needed up front and Shehu does not have that, don't get me started on his ability to take on players or his crosses. You cannot use Moses as an example here because Pedro is always infront of him, a true winger so he can choose when to run forward, but who is infront of Shehu? Probably Iwobi, that's all you need to know.
You did not get my point here. I am not doubting his defensive abilities(Ndidi), I am doubting his ability to sit and cover the fullbacks. In his club what he does is run around the midfield like crazy and win the ball back whenever he can, he is not instructed to be disciplined in his clubside which is the only good thing Chelsea did for Mikel. So in this formation it is easy to see that Ogu will be the Matic kinda guy here, you only need to check out Dybala's top speed and you will understand my reservations.
Lol, the MLS has always been solid relatively speaking. Klinsmann went for the best. His best wasn't good enough. They resorted to more home-based players but still failed to qualify. Chasing shadows. Even South Africa with a solid league and dependence on home based players failed to qualify. Either way they could have still failed. Stop blaming "the pursuit".
Modified So the US stopped developing their own abi? hahahah
goldfish80: Let's take USA as a case study. They have always qualified for the World Cup and even threatened to crack the world cup semis. With a change in policy masterminded by Klinsmann,they went FB crazy and the result is an American team who cannot beat freaking Trinidad and Tobago to qualify for the World Cup, a nation of 3 million people?!
Do you know there are more Americans shopping in Walmart in rush hour, than the entire population of Trinidad and Tobago?
You will get this sort of embarrassment when you stop developing your own in pursuit of foreign developed players.
Brazil relying on foreign based has never slowed down their leagues. Or if you are actually talking about the Foreign-borns, is not like we are relying on them. Take a look at our team right now. The majority are not Fbs. How about before now? we've had a couple, one or none, so why havn't we still got it right at the home front? The problem here is that some of you have not identified the real problem. The real problem is our way of doing things. Stay on that argument. Just today alone i've watched commentaries on our poor teachers, and our police as the worse in the world. we can go on... The truth is the common Nigerian is not diligent in his/her work. But they are diligent about getting kickbacks. small money here and there. And that's the same problem you see in administration places. So NFF will have to fix that within their system. As I sit here right now I can suggest a solution to solving our football development problem, but will it be considered? And even if the NFF considers it, will they have the will to execute? The problem with Nigerians is the will power. We have people with bright ideas, most of which will be sidetracked. But if any of them find themselves in the system, there will be no support, or will to execute it. Discuss the main issue and stop blaming our calling up FBs. It's more like blaming the street security personnel for your failing to install security bars in your house.
TheGoodJoe: Your contributions on this matter has raised my respect for you on a large scale. I doubt you are against having foreign groomed talent. Neither am I. However, we need a model to build a real strong base of the team. Promote continuity.
We need to put in conscious efforts to improve our football development here. Relying on a foreign base will leave us with an unsustainable model and keep us behind other great footballing nations.
it's just baffling how people think. That "setting shops" will slow down the development of the league. So all these many years that we have not "set shops", why has the league not developed?
Mujtahida: How many times does your national team play in a year? Your league save for breaks is on throughout the year. If we remove FB, you'd still have to face the fact that for a long time close to three decade our national team has been dominated by foreign based(not foreign born) and generally we refresh with the foreign based not home based. So saying the bolded is disingenuous. Our system has collapsed long time ago before foreign born players.
lol they are doing both, "setting shops" (take note of the quotes) and developing their leagues. But we lack a system in everything, cant you see?
goldfish80: It's ironic you think setting up shop in Europe is the new cool. Not when the likes of China, India and even European countries are investing massively in their home grown talent and league. Your logic of moving forward is in reverse.
The latest from OGN: we will play with a 5-3-2 formation which translates to 3-5-2 when in attack. I think it is a cautious formation.
okay, let me take it paragraph by paragraph. Balogun has always played as the LCB. And he and Aina have been assisting themselves there. I think nothing has changed. This is continuity for mastery sake. Awaziem is right-footed, so starting him there is a less risky path.
Ola Aina is even more comfortable as a Wing-Back, than a dedicated Full-back. I know both terms are used interchangeably these days, but you know what I mean. The formation will give him room to roam forward, and that's his strength. We are already developing him well for the LB role, and we don't have to wait for his club to do that first. Not saying I don't want to see him play as RB, but i've already made my position known on that. Now as regards Shehu, let's think Victor Moses here for a better comparison. Moses is a better crosser, granted. Moses is better going forward, also granted. But Moses don't go forward TOO often when playing for Chelsea, and that's because they have dedicated wingers. With this formation, we are playing quite narrow at the front, and that means we will not be depending much on wing play. This could also be a test for Shehu to do more forward with this formation, something he didn't have to do often in our previous formation. I have to check on his pace, as I'm not sure he really lacks that. You could have a point though.
on your last paragraph, I disagree on what you said about Ndidi. Ndidi started out as a CB. Someone even mentioned that he will be a good CB and I had to remind him that he actually started there. Ndidi is as versatile as Mikel, but inferior in passing and ball holding. Granted, Ogu is slow, but like I said this is a very cautious formation as our defense will have lots of cover. Don't forget that Ogu is quite good defensively, so what we have may be Ndidi, and Ogu sitting back especially when we are not in possession.
Mickael2: if he starts with that 3-4-3 formation it might get embarrasing for us.
Let me start from the back, our GKs are not confident, a 3man backline requires an active GK but this is the least of our problems.
In the defence you have Awaziem listed as the RCB and Balogun in the LCB spot. I already pointed out that using inverted wingers is a risky biz, you could see that some clearances Aina made in the last match were less than perfect because he was using his weaker foot just like I predicted, now you are playing Awaziem and Balogun, two right-footed CBs, in the LCB and RCB, they will find it hard to make proper clearances(Awaziem most especially) and when you consider the wingers they are about to face......
That brings us to the fullbacks. Aina I am okay with but playing him the LWB formation is wrong, he is going to have a performance similar to the one he had against Algeria, you can see he is quality but he will still struggle. For us to effectively utilise Aina in that left side we need to reach out to his clubside and convince them to play him there a little more often. Then we come to the guy who would lose the most in this formation, Shehu. There is a reason why Azpilicueta does not play the WB role and when he does he is always below average. Shehu is NOT GOOD offensively and his take-on rate is very very poor, crosses too are very very poor(I doubt if he has had one succesful cross throughout the qualifers bar that cutback for Iwobi) and he also does not have the pace. Argentina will have Dybala running across our backline looking for spaces to exploit and Shehu's lack of pace will expose that space perfectly then you may argue that our DMF will cover and that brings us to the midfield....
Ndidi is not an out-and-out DMF so he can not do the work that will be assigned to him which is covering the fullbacks effectively for 90minutes and then we have Ogu who isn't exactly fast. Bear in mind that their CF is Belotti so our central CB will have his hands full so in most cases Ogu will have to fall back and help out thus making room infront of the defence for Banega and the likes to exploit.
Watch Brahimi's motion, you will see he wasn't impeded? Yes you are right there was contact (holding). It will be misleading to say Shehu tried to..., because he easily could have succeeded in holding Brahimi back. I see intention but there was no execution of the intent. I'd like to study that FIFA rule.
if Brahimi had dived it would have looked like a legit call. It was just the referee compensating him for not diving.
Algerian1: first congratulation for the world cup qualification and this beautiful serie in this qualification
just wanted to show poeples who attacks the refree for his decision givin a penalty .
when you see the action in HD and slow motion *0,25 , you will see that brahimi pass the defender and was going to the goal ( pic1 ) , the defender charge him from his back with both hands and try to grab him judo style ( pic 2 ) , and brahimi resist to the charge, stayed on his feet instead of going down but lost the ball . and even when he fall he try to grab the leg of brahimi ( pic 3 )
So even my self if i was the refree i wouldnt give a penalty and i will let the action continue , but the decision of this refree could be justified according to the football rules . the player havnt touch the ball and touch the player ... penalty
The Super Eagles legend feels La Albiceleste remain a solid side without their inspirational skipper ahead of Tuesday’s friendly Mutiu Adepoju believes Nigeria will not be facing a “lesser” Argentina despite the absence of Lionel Messi.
The Barcelona star will miss La Albiceleste’s friendly against the Super Eaglesafter withdrawing from the team to return to Spain.
Messi was on from start to finish as the South Americans beat Russia 1-0 in Moscow on Saturday, thanks to Sergio Aguero’s late strike.
However, La Liga Nigeria’s chief who expects a good game does not think the absence of their captain will weaken Jorge Sampaoli's squad when they clash with Gernot Rohr’s men in Krasnodar.
“His [Messi] absence doesn't mean we're facing a lesser Argentina. Argentina will always be Argentina,” Adepoju told Goal.
“The quality of players in that team cannot be written off as they play in top clubs in Europe and even in South America.
“No doubt, Messi is one of the best in the world but his absence doesn't mean Argentina will be a very easy team for the Super Eagles.
“He is the one who moves the ball in the team but other players are equally good, so when we're talking about their striking area, the midfield and the defence, our boys [Super Eagles] must be at their best.”
Both countries have met seven times with Nigeria’s only victory over the two-time world champions recorded on June 1, 2011as Ikechukwu Uche’s brace powered Samson Siasia’s men to a 4-1 victory.
Also, Adepoju insists that not minding the outcome, Gernot Rohr’s men must take plenty of positives which will help their preparations for the 2018 Fifa World Cup.
“Whether we lose or not, it doesn't matter because it's a friendly game but it's important we get the positives for our World Cup preparations,” he continued.
“We're playing against Argentina, one of the toughest teams we can face in the World Cup. Playing against them will let us see many things that can help us before the competition.
“Not thinking about whether we win or win, we just have to take the positives but our players need to put everything and play as if it's a competitive game.”
I'm sure people will want to learn something from you. No valid suggestions yet. We can keep talking all day and not learn anything.
That our league is in a dismal state is known to everyone. So what if we "set shops"? The whole world is setting shops and moving forward. You want to stay backward in order to keep your unreasonable pride? What are you proud of?
goldfish80: Leaving the problem to our great grand kids was a chided remark to your idea of setting up shop to get all the European born Nigerian football players to commit to the Super Eagles.
Keep waiting for fourfourtwo magazine to dig out talented footballers walking the streets of Nigeria for your googling pleasure.
I'm just saying friendlies are for experiments. That's the main purpose.
Mujtahida: He has a point though regarding the timing. We might be trying a highly workable formation at the wrong time because the personel to give bite to this formation are not there eg Moses.
you will grow gray hair finding them from your home..or can you name talents from the streets in Nigeria from where you are right now? I can sit here and research on my computer and dig out names in Europe. See how you tell lies after I cleared you on that. I still havn't learned anything from you till date. I've learned from so many here. it's unfortunate.
You who said we should leave the problem to our grandchildren. you are just like our leaders before now. Let's keep pushing the problem because we are bereft of ideas.
goldfish80: I regret engaging you on this topic. I should have stopped the moment you said I will grow grey hair looking for talented football players in Nigeria.
On a second thought, it was good I continued. Otherwise ignorance would have reigned supreme on the thread.
it's a non competitive match, and not a must win. You can try whatever you want in friendlies. If they come good, then great!! If we lose, then great! There will be more lessons to be learnt. The earlier we learn our lessons the better.
MetalJigsaw: This is not the right game to test the 3-4-3 formation. Its too risky as most of the players will be playing a strange role against a superior Argentine team. What Rohr should be after in this game is to discover more cohesion and the depth of his bench.
Your position is well understood. Doesn't still make it logical. Whether you choose to base the foundation of a team with foreign-groomed, home based, foreign based etc it wouldn't kill a generation of players. Remove sentiments, and pick the best irrespective of where they are based or groomed. Stop the tagging/prejudice.
goldfish80: I see alot of comments giving Morocco the thumbs up for qualifying with with the Dutch, Belgian and French D team. Why use Morocco as example? Why not use Egypt who played up to the AFCON finals and qualified for the World Cup in grand style with a team of home grown players.
Algeria went all foreign and qualified for the World Cup in 2014 and even.made the last 16, what have become of the Algerian team of foreigners 4 years on? They can't even beat (no disrespect) Zimbabwe, nearly lost 6 world cup qualifying games in a stretch. They will be forced to do what they failed to do 4years ago. This one don pass replacing coaches at will. They need a full system reset!
Inviting foreign born is not wrong, but basing the foundation of your national team on players like this is all shades of wrong and not a sustainable development in the long run. If you like argue blindly, but I've made my position very clear on this matter that even a 10year old will understand.
Super Eagles coach Gernot Rohr has left the door open for more players to make his squad to the Russia 2018 World Cup, Completesportsnigeria.com reports.
Nigeria became the first country from Africa to qualify for the 2018 World Cup after defeating Zambia 1-0 in Uyo in early October.
The Super Eagles won the sole ticket available to African qualifying Group B by claiming 14 points from six games with four wins and two draws.
Rohr is aware that his squad still needs some improvement so he has not ruled out new players staking claims. One of such players is Victor Osimhen, the 18-year-old Wolfsburg striker who was top scorer at the FFFA U-17 World Cup in 2015.
“More players will come in,” Rohr told Completesportsnigeria.com. “The likes of Victor Osimhen, young players, quick players. The door is still open. The list is not done yet. We have the possibility to get 30 players.”
On the FIFA World Cup draw billed for Zurich on December 1, Rohr said: “We are open for all the teams. We know we are in the last pot so we will get teams with better FIFA ranking than us in that group. We want to get out of the group.”
The Super Eagles will look to cap off a strong year by taking on the 2014 World Cup finalists, who will be without Lionel Messi Argentina will take on Nigeria in an international friendly in Krasnodar, Russia on Tuesday. The South Americans have travelled to Russia for a pair of friendlies, with the first taking place in Moscow against next summer's World Cup hosts last weekend.
And they will now face the Super Eagles, who cruised through their World Cup qualifying group to book their place at the tournament.
Game: Argentina vs Nigeria Date: Tuesday, November 14 Time: 16:30 GMT / 11:30 ET TV CHANNEL & LIVE STREAM In the UK, the match will not be available to watch live on television or via stream. In the U.S., the match will be available to watch live on television on beIN Sports and by stream via beIN Sports Connect. SQUADS & TEAM NEWS ARGENTINA Lionel Messi has dropped out of the Argentina squad and will not feature. Gonzalo Higuain and Mauro Icardi are also not involved in this squad, with Paulo Dybala and Sergio Aguero likely to start up front. Potential starting XI: Marchesin; Mascherano, Pezzella, Mammana; Pavon, Kranevitter, Banega, Lo Celso, Di Maria; Dybala, Aguero.
NIGERIA Nigeria have called up Brian Idowu, who was born in Russia but is eligible to play for Nigeria. Victor Moses and Odion Ighalo are among their injury absentees. Gernot Rohr is likely to make changes to the team that drew with Algeria, including a potential debut for 19-year-old Deportivo La Coruna goalkeeper Francis Uzoho. Potential starting XI: Uzoho; Aina, Troost-Ekong, Balogun, Idowu; Ndidi, Mikel, Oghenekaro; Iwobi, Onyekuru, Musa. GAME PREVIEW It has been a good year for Nigeria, who have only lost one game in 2017 in matches that feature their squad members based outside of African leagues. The Super Eagles went undefeated through the final round of World Cup qualifying and became the first African team to book their place at the finals by starting with three wins in a row.
Their group, featuring Algeria, Cameroon and Zambia, was not a simple one but the combined efforts of veterans such as John Obi Mikel and Victor Moses and starlets including Kelechi Iheanacho and Alex Iwobi got the job done. They will now face their toughest test of the year so far in Argentina, who may not have Lionel Messi for this game but will not be short of goals between Paulo Dybala and Sergio Aguero. Jorge Sampaoli's Albiceleste have had a much more challenging 12 months, though, and will be made to work by a young Super Eagles squad.
tbaba1234: Morocco has a far better league than Nigeria but the team that just qualified for the world cup is made up of mainly foreign based players. In Nigeria, some people will call for mediocre players so as to promote the league.
Super Eagles of Nigeria defender Brian Idowu has revealed the reason why he opt to play for Nigeria ahead of the land of his birth Russia.
The Amkar Perm left full back who attended the pre match conference for Nigeria’s friendly game against Argentina tomorrow said it was clear to him that Nigeria wanted him the most.
” I feel great ( with Nigeria ), I have been well received by both players and coaches. The atmosphere is very positive. For me this is a huge chance and experience”, Idowu said.
“As for why I’m not playing for Russia, I shouldn’t be asked this question. I want to go to the World Cup for Nigeria, because they believed in me.
“This is important for me and for my parents. If there is a next challenge, then everything will be decided, whether I play in the Russia 2018 World Cup”.
Thank you so much. I had wanted to ask how many of those players were actually born in Morocco after seeing tbaba1234 's post earlier. I was too lazy to do the research. I remember the commentator saying something to that effect in their game against CIV.
With Raja Casablanca as Africa's Champions they should have put faith in their home based players in order not to kill the development of their league. I love my sarcasm.
Modified. Oh and let me add, the commentator said something like most of them couldn't speak Arabic. aha!!! If it were Nigeria..
Mujtahida: Morocco lineup in the crucial WC qualifier in Abidjan: 4 players born in Holland 4 players born in France 2 players born in Spain Just one born in Morocco - and he grew up in Belgium
Thank you so much. I had wanted to ask how many of those players were actually born in Morocco after seeing tbaba1234 's post earlier. I was too lazy to do the research. I remember the commentator saying something to that effect in their game against CIV.
With Raja Casablanca as Africa's Champions they should have put faith in their home based players in order not to kill the development of their league. I love my sarcasm.
Mujtahida: Morocco lineup in the crucial WC qualifier in Abidjan: 4 players born in Holland 4 players born in France 2 players born in Spain Just one born in Morocco - and he grew up in Belgium
So Ogu is now phenomenal, creative etc.. oya make una add more oh kwantinue!!
Loogan: Your the funny one, and it's unfortunate you people like to drag players down just to defend some silly point of yours. I don't understand you, if scoring a curler from 25yards out is not being creative, then what is? Is it until he gives 3assists in one match before you acknowledge he has some creativity in his game. Apart from mikel who's the most creative center midfielder we have in the team presently? Since you know a lot about creativity from midfield.
Rohr will make the best decision for the interest of the team, considering other factors. For now, Aina is ahead of Echiejile at LB. If Idowu fails to come better than Aina at LB, it will be in the best interest of the team to keep Aina at LB. Modified: But if Idowu proves to be a very solid LB, then we can start talking about who is a better RB between Aina and Shehu. Then Aina should have his chance at RB in friendlies.
komekn: We do not conclusively yet because Aina best RB in the championship has not been allowed to play his natural RB position so that a direct comparison can be made to Shehu.