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Good question. But don't forget they all followed different progression. 3 graduates from different schools will not necessarily gain employment at the same company at the same time even if they all applied.

Osimhen has the advantage from the world conquering 2015 U-17 class. So for him, timing is the essence. Since he was favored by every national coach that have seen him closely

Odey is probably in that list because of all the noise and distraction.

Onyekuru just caught our eyes in his first season.

Who is the best? It's too early to tell. But don't forget it's not who gets the first call up that is guaranteed longevity.

Coincidentally, the trio's last names all start with O.

zicky:
Odey is 19, Osimhen is 18 many possible promising yrs with SE are they better than Onyekuru

Ajax seem to be on a good path at last since their glory years. I'd rather want to see him in a more competitive league than the Eredivisie.

EmmGee:
Ajax seem to trust youngsters. The team is made of them.
That will be a good fit don't you think?

lol my bad.

I want to send you a link. Read it with an open mind and you will get my point about different perspectives. Generally it's the media that drives culture.

Mujtahida:

I no be woman ooo. Joebie don conclude say I be woman because I mentioned M&B.

Hahahaha. I no be woman ooo. Joebie don conclude say I be woman because I mentioned M&B.

Very well said. It's me first before country as always.

Icon79:
Trust me, all the hoopla with the home based players is just agents at work. It isn't because those home based players are better than the regulars but, all the noise is because some folks stand to make a few quick bucks with their invites.

O pari

So many factors my sister, I believe some of them have been touched on here by our beloved co-forumites

1. Our NPFL Clubs generally don't have a good scouting culture. Hence they rely on redundant players. Among those, their very best will catch the earliest flight to anywhere outside Nigeria. How do they try to solve the exodus problem? That brings us to number 2.

2. They recruit players from other clubs who failed in their bid to go abroad. And this happens yearly.

3. Where we have squads that are ever changing yearly, how can a player really develop? lack of continuity can result in confused players who don't really know their strengths and weaknesses. So what we have are players lacking in experience regardless of how many years they have been in the NPFL.

4. Our coaches are ill-prepared scientifically for bringing out the best in players. Tactically-wise our domestic league coaches are far behind compared to even their counterparts from the United States. The US' relative success in soccer in just a short time has been mainly due to them approaching the game scientifically. Of course we all know they are lacking in talented players.


5. Many talents went unnoticed for the aforementioned first point above, and also during our wasted years of fielding 30 year olds as under 17s many were never snapped up or did not get the desired development in the league.

Now we are left to rely on our U-17 grade. We need to have a very solid scouting coach as our U17 coach if we will really get to discover our best. But don't also forget that players who don't make the grade at the U-17 can develop within a couple of years to be better than those who were preferred initially. But where will those get such development? For now, most likely it is better they remain in the academies. Frpm there European clubs snap them up. Clubs from Europe rarely look at our domestic league. Maybe for the same reasons I've stated above.

Mujtahida:
I understand your hesitation as per home based
Homeboys have their merits but the truth is that at the national team level they rarely live up to the billing. Personally I don't fancy them. There's something unrefined and uncoordinated about them. Maybe it has to do with confidence, I really can't say.

u no lie at all. The Nigerian factor will always be a big factor. After all the distraction with home based quota in the team, let those home based boys no impress first.

Icon79:
The man definitely knows what he's doing. I just hope and pray that all the hangers on and soccer agents in Nigeria would give him a freehand to tinker the team. Every sports journo in naija, every NFF member, many ex-players, and even businessmen are soccer agents these days.

O pari

Decent friendly after all. I guess I was wrong.
Togo friendly is a welcome development.

terzurum5:
Corsica Will Give Eagles Firm Challenge, They’re Unbeaten In Last Six Games – Rohr

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The proposed friendly between the Nigeria senior national team and the national team of Corsica won’t be a walk in the park for the Nigerians according to coach of the team Gernot Rohr.


Corsica‎ national football team is the unofficial football team for the island of Corsica, France, and they will play against the Super Eagles of Nigeria on the 26th of May in a friendly game scheduled to take place in Ajaccio.


The team comprising of players born in the Corsica region ‎of France won’t be push over as many thought despite not been an affiliate of FIFA, according to coach of the Nigeria team Rohr.


” Corsica will give us a firm test, they have very good players and am expecting them to be very hard to beat. They have not lost in their last six games including a 1-0 win over Bulgaria. They are no push over”, Rohr told Owngoalnigeria.com.


Check done by our editorial team confirmed the statement of the manager of the team as the last time they lost a game was on the 14th of May 1998, losing 0-1 to Cameroon.


They defeated fellow regional side Brittany‎ national team 2-0, before drawing 1-1 against Gabon which was followed by a shock 1-0 win over Bulgaria and another win over Burkina Faso on the 29th of May 2015.


Games against other regional sides, namely Basque and A Squadra Internaziunale ‎have ended in a 1-1 and 2-2 draw respectively with the game against Nigeria set to be their fourth game against a national team affiliated to FIFA in ‎three years.

Ade Emmanuel

owngoalnigeria.com/2017/05/11/corsica-will-give-eagles-firm-challenge-theyre-unbeaten-in-last-six-games-rohr/

Personally, I think he can do even better in Germany. He is so talented that he can do well in any league. But I don't think Premier League suits him BEST.. just my own thinking though. If he goes to Germany, he will explode. Mark my words.

EmmGee:
#PEP: Kelechi is a young player - a killer in the box. He is strong and fast. At the end of the season we will talk about individual players

I've not heard the likes of Siasia, Oliseh, Amuneke throw criticisms at Rohr.

I think Garba Lawal and co need to get busy.. You can't invite every good player at the same time. Onyekuru is 19 and has many possible promising years with SE. Why the noise? All these are distractions. As long as we are winning let's throw our weight behind the coach.

terzurum5:
Odey Can’t Challenge Eagles Stars But Onyekuru Can, Why Leave Him Out? – Babayaro

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Former Nigeria international Celestine Babayaro has criticised the exclusion of hot in demand KAS Eupen forward Henry Onyekuru from the list of players invited to the senior national team of Nigeria by coach Gernot Rohr.


Rohr called up 22 players to the senior national team of Nigeria for a training camp in France, and a friendly game against Corsica will also take place ahead of their clash against South Africa next month.


Onyekuru has scored 20 goals this season in all competitions for modest Belgian side Eupen, and Babayaro belives the forward who is linked with a big move this season should have been called up.


” When you talk about rewarding players for their performances in the season, no best way to do that than a national team call up. Why is the case of Onyekuru different?, Babayaro asked.


” He (Onyekuru) has 20 goals this season, and we’ll sought after by top clubs, his presence will provide the much talked about competition for places in the team. Obviously his presence alone will ginger other established forwards in the team to step up.


” With all due respect, the likes of Stephen Odey and Victor Osimhen are good but no match for the senior players in the team like Kelechi Iheanacho, Isaac Success and co. But Onyekuru will no doubt push them for a spot.


” I’m hoping he will be considered ‎for the game against South Africa, he has that in him which could make him the joker in our team”, the former Chelsea star told Owngoalnigeria.com

Osas Mahawi

owngoalnigeria.com/2017/05/11/odey-cant-challenge-eagles-stars-but-onyekuru-can-why-leave-him-out-babayaro/

it's not exclusively based on the darker skin, but other features as well.

My point is opinions differ among females. You may find studies that arrive at your conclusion. Other studies may dispute it, But saying it is a fact is yet another thing.

I've witnessed darker vs lighter debates among females countless times just as frequently as I have witnessed Naija vs Ghana debate. Please the word, FACT, let's use it carefully.

As regards Mills and Bones, let me give you an analogy. If I keep watching CNN, I will have one outlook as regards American politics. Conversely, FOX news will give me a whole different outlook if that's the only media news outlet I view. Still doesn't necessarily make one side factual

Mujtahida:
That's why I mentioned especially if it (dark skin) wraps a body that is muscular. The point I was trying to make was to support the fact that GENERALLY darkness /dark is taken to represent the yang (masculine) in the yin/yang equation.

I have a lady friend that has almost a visceral dislike for fair complexioned guys.

Did you read the popular Mills & Boons(M&B)? Girly stuff but I read them in my teens cos I had sisters and female cousins bringing them around. I remember that many of the authors - no doubt (white) - used to describe their male white characters as swarthy, dark, intense etc. I used to wonder why knowing this were white guys. Now I understand.

so a lanky darker guy is seen as more masculine than a well built lighter guy? lol

Not where I live oh.

I dont know where in this universe. It's totally new to me..

Mujtahida:
She's right about the dark thing being more macho especially like you said if it wraps a well chiselled body. Even among white guys, Latinos and guys with tanned skin have more masculine aura.

Man City Turn Down Hoffeinheim Proposal To Buy Iheanacho After Proposed Loan Stint
May 12, 2017 Nigeria


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Manchester City have turned down a proposal from Bundesliga side Hoffeinheim to buy Nigerian forward Kelechi Iheanacho after the end of his proposed loan spell.

Hoffeinheim are presently locked in talks with Manchester City over the 20 year old who has fallen down the pecking order at the Etihad as exclusively reported by this portal last month.

However a deal is far from reached even though the forward has made it clear to City that he is leaving and the club on their part have accepted his decision, they still want him to leave on loan with no option of a permanent transfer in the summer.

The German side want to negotiate a deal that will see the forward spend a loan at the club before moving over permanently next summer if he impresses ‎, they want the fee for his permanent transfer to be agreed as well.

However Manchester City are insisting on a straight loan with no option of permanent transfer, presumably to strengthen their bargaining power if Iheanacho comes good during the course of his loan spell.
Daniel Martins

http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/05/12/man-city-turn-down-hoffeinheim-proposal-to-buy-iheanacho-after-proposed-loan-stint/

You are right in my opinion.

Okay bro

joseph1013:
Definitely my bias. I regularly go there to learn and engage. Absolute goldmine of knowledge.

I'm good. On and off.

Yes it's a formality . Garba Lawal and co should find something to do and make themselves available only when needed.

tbaba1234:
Technical Committee member, Garba Lawal:

“I’m a member of the committee, but we’ve not met since June 2016. I learned about the 25-man list in the media. We can’t make any input when we don’t get calls or emails. The media gets the list before we do”, Garba Lawal said.

” For now the Technical Committee is just for mere formality for sure. Things weren’t like this when Aminu Maigari was the NFF president or when Anyasi Agu was Chairman of the committee “.

Na your bias.. lol.. how you dey my bro? Hailings!

joseph1013:
Might be my bias but I unconsciously consider anyone quoting Quora as brilliant. Respect!

This argument is dead. You can't make a fact out of this. And I don't care how many of u came together and talked about the issue here on vintage nairaland smh. It's very untrue that black males are the most sort after by all females. Speak for your locality. Have u even travelled to experience other cultures? Let me give u one good advice and it's the same advice I give gullible Americans who don't care to travel out of the 48 inland states. You will never be enlightened until you travel and see. Opinions of different cultures can never culminate in one universal fact. As much as I'm black and just because I believe black is aytractive dont mean I can make a universal fact out of it. You need a lesson in logic and critical thinking. I wonder if it's taught in Nigeria. But some people will never learn especially if they already assume they know all. I've learned more in life from others perspective because this world we live in is very diverse.

Well one thing is certain. I can't get back this valuable time wasted. I will ignore you henceforth.

safarigirl:
unless you are a girl, i do not see how you can dispute my first two comments about attractive black men.

Anybody that does not know that black men are the most attractive men to all races does not have a grasp on race matters fully.

The dominant species in Africa, is the black race. And no, Arabs are nowhere as virile as black men, especially not the Arabs in Africa. That is a title held by onlnthe black race be they in Africa, North America or the Carribeans.

You will need to go through more than one site to get enough information on race. I've been on it for almost ten years, but we will need another thread to even tackle the basics of what I have learnt

Ok sister u know it all and I'm just learning. Happy now? peace

safarigirl:
unless you are a girl, i do not see how you can dispute my first two comments about attractive black men.

Anybody that does not know that black men are the most attractive men to all races does not have a grasp on race matters fully.

The dominant species in Africa, is the black race. And no, Arabs are nowhere as virile as black men, especially not the Arabs in Africa. That is a title held by onlnthe black race be they in Africa, North America or the Carribeans.

You will need to go through more than one site to get enough information on race. I've been on it for almost ten years, but we will need another thread to even tackle the basics of what I have learnt

No point answering to ur every line I'm better than that. At the end of the day we are all internet warriors here. Back to football. Peace!

Let me add, there is no way I would have known u are light skinned. lol u only said lighter is better. And I disagree. I'm sure some guys also share my preference. I care less ur complexion.

safarigirl:
@joebie is it my "lighter is better" comment that had you so worked up?

Jeez! Ig you don't understand something, just say it without jumpingb he gun.

It was a joke, I was teasing the black man's belief that "white is right", it was a mockery of the need to worship lighter skinned people. I don't actually believe such bull, I'm not an idiot.

You can't lecture me on race and why the black race is better or the media's white-washing of everything, I am wayyy ahead of you on that. I don't even watch movies with an all white cast, so no, I am not one of those self-hating negroes.

What did my comment have to do with you liking darker skinned girls sef? You think you like them more than me?

Abeg ehn, next time, stop trying to lecture me on black people. Just ask for clarification.

And i repeat, BLACK MEN are the MOST ATTRACTIVE of all races. #FACT.

When Nairaland tackled race in 2009, you been no dey. There were more black intellectuals on that thread than whatever you can dig out anywhere else. Dig that one out first

Safarigirl I'm sure the Super Falcons was not in question when you brought up the issue of lighter is better. See how you have contradicted yourself in the argument. Know that where you live is just a small area of the entire world, hence some of your generalizations are rather localized, past down from colonialism.

Madam did you even read the comments from that link?
I'm sorry your generalizations are not FACTS. Read my earlier modifications if you missed it. The only thing that has substance in what you said is the Black race being more verile.. But that also applies to other species from Africa.. So it's not necessarily a color thing.. think think my sister.

safarigirl:
my dear, I don't need to read that. I have read enough to know of that perspective.

Most girls would date a darker guy over a lighter one. #FACT.

The black man is seen as masculine over the white man #Fac

The black race is the most virile race according to most #Fact

Surprised you don't know of these tiny facts.

That is just one site, there are a ton to support the masculinity of the black man, but once again, I can't start searching Google for these things. It is acculated knowledge


MODIFIED:

Really? A write up from Mark Twain? This isn't even what I speak of.

That's why you will keep sticking to your way of thinking. That link throws different perspectives. you are stuck to your ways based on the belief where you were raised most likely. Open you mind to other perspectives

Firstly, you cannot say ... is seen..and then say it's a fact. It's a generalization held NOT by all. How could that be factual? You are not logical my sister. I won't continue with you.


"Most girls would date a darker guy over a lighter one. #FACT" you call this a fact?... SMDH

safarigirl:
my dear, I don't need to read that. I have read enough to know of that perspective.



The black man is seen as masculine over the white man #Fac

The black race is the most virile race according to most #Fact

Surprised you don't know of these tiny facts.

That is just one site, there are a ton to support the masculinity of the black man, but once again, I can't start searching Google for these things. It is acculated knowledge

I never heard such before.. Read and enlighten yourself with different perspectives.

Enjoy this read: https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-white-people-like-to-tan-so-much

let me add the black man as more masculine stems more on physical ability not color. Hence, slavery.
Generally species of animals, insects etc from Africa always showed more strength compared to their counterparts from other continents.

safarigirl:
the lighter the better applies mostly to females, not men.

With men, darker men are more attractive than lighter men. This is because while people see light and equate it to feminity, people equate dark skin to masculinity.

The colour thing works both ways, so, who do we blame for the portrayal of the black man as the most masculine of all races?

yes that has always been my opinion. People need to stop crying wolf whenever he is invited. Rohr is the one who runs the rule first hand, he knows better.

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Sorry thought you were talking about Osihmen.

tbaba1234:
He is a highly rated youngster in Germany... He can compete with those in camp. Rohr has seen him play.

then u did not read my post well oh.. That's some black people's inferiority complex brought about by colonial brainwashing. The whites used the media to promote white supremacy using anything lighter on on music videos etc. Glad some black artists lately in the US got smarter and started promoting darker skinned ladies.
Sincerely speaking, i've always fell in love with darker girls.. So glad I never fell to what's prevalent in African society (so sad). Girls that bleach.. eeeewwwwww. Whoever brought the idea of bleaching cream?

Whites tell you you are less beautiful darker, but them dey hide dey tan wishing they are like you... Typical blacks, they always need white's validation first.

MODIFIED
my friend madaboi
One thing I think we need in Africa firstly is decolonization of our mindset.

Enjoy this read: https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-white-people-like-to-tan-so-much

maidaboi:
bro the lighter the better

lighter is better because many blacks uses cream to be lighter and no ligher is willing to be darker


@danycrusoe HBD bro, my maymate

Which is why Rohr can't resist having him in the fold time and time again.

tbaba1234:
"Since recovering from injury, Victor has made a good impression. He has a great deal of potential - he’s ambitious and determined. We’ll see if he’s in the team this time."

Jonker

"He's close. He makes a very good impression, there is great potential in the boy,"says #Jonker about #WOB talent #Osimhen

I clearly told a light girl I prefer darker girls and she was amazed. Way to go. That colonialist brainwashed mindset irritates me. How can lighter be better? Black indeed is very beautiful and they know it. The darker the far much better.

safarigirl:
he should tell this to Leon, Troost, Ikeme and Ebuehi....even if you're a white guy, as long as you can play, Africans won't care, hell, they will even adore you more. The lighter the better.

This guy no even do better research

More corporate involvement in the league will reduce the trend. But how to make the league more attractive -- that's Dikko's headache

Humility017:
on shehu Dikko...the man is trying to be true
the truth...the problem of the local league...is much bigger than many us think here...
how will you explain a situation where the best in the league...every season rather than stay to consolidate on their achievement whisk to far away eastern Europe... others to Malaysia and Vietnam

the best every season leaves...this alone has affected the league badly...
to be honest....my hope of harnessing of talents from the home ground have always been the cadet teams like the under 17 and 20
that's why I am not too happy this time being that we're not playing in the under 17 and 20 world cup this year.

Yes I agree with you. Pinnick has his high points in this regard. Meanwhile, Shehu Dikko can do more domestically. He is more than capable.

Humility017:
God bless you bro
the truth one of the reasons rohr is currently having his heyday inviting these foreign lads is because amaju pinnick is favorable disposed to them... the sport administrator (pinnick) has never hide his love for foreign groom and young lads for the SE setup at all...
still remember upon his emergence as NFF president after the AFCON in equatorial Guinea he began to voice calls for young lads and European groom players....and make trip to see these kids parents...I still believe his sojourn played a role in getting iwobi for eagles....
amaju pinnick has really help in these regard


I tell had the NFF had leaders not favorably disposed to rohr's policy it would have been difficult..

It's a misconception on his part. But you can't blame him. Which is why we can't criticize their choice to go the other way. Understanding Nigeria's culture is another thing. However, unfortunately, there are indeed some Nigerians who will not view them as locals. This is why we need the right minds in the NFF. Those who understand good approaching skills and know how to bridge the gap that some of these abroad-born players may feel exist. Honestly speaking, many of them will turn out for Nigeria if they feel they will be warmly accepted as family.

Humility017:
Nigeria At World Cup Released By Schalke
Published: May 11, 2017






Through official sources, German Bundesliga side Schalke 04 have announced that they will end their collaboration with Germany international Dennis Aogo at the end of this season.
Aogo has been released by The Royal Blues along with Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, Phili Neumann, Timon Wellenreuther, Holger Badstuber and Sascha Riether.
The management of Schalke 04 made the announcement at a press conference on Thursday, ahead of this weekend's clash against Aogo's former team Hamburger SV.
Now 30, Aogo revealed that he was approached by the Nigeria Football Federation to represent the Super Eagles in the months leading up to the 2010 World Cup but he rejected their advances.
Aogo explained : ''When I heard Nigeria wanted me for the World Cup, I had to really think about it. I hesitated because Nigerians won't recognize me as a true African, it's a totally different culture from what I am used to in Germany.
''I know many Africans who were born in Europe are now playing for African teams but they are not regarded as locals.''
The left wing-back lists FV Grünwinkel, Bulacher SC, Karlsruher SC, Waldhof Mannheim and SC Freiburg among his former clubs.
Igho Kingsley
Photo Credit : schalke04.

ok

BascoVanVeli:
I didn't read any of that.

IN fact I'm out of words! You are simply brilliant from this write up, I can't even add to it.

Humility017:
you're absolutely right... we will need to do some convincing
just that Nigeria is a very proud nation...
it baffles me when we refuse go after these foreign lads on the prism of patriotism....
even the leaders who are being paid juicy salaries and allowances and still bent on milking the nations treasury is not as patriotic as these young lads....

take it or leave it....some of the homegrown talents could have done worse should they've the opportunity like these foreign groom guys

they should be convinced of a great future should they team wit the SE...for example as men we woo after our wives or the women in lives at one point that does not mean we beg them to stay or marry us....

even England in the very last minute still refused to give up on iwobi amidst his decision to play for Nigeria and still keep sending him emails....

Sir,

firstly you are saying they show interest first before we invite them. I faulted you on that because it's not realistic in some cases.

secondly, you don't beg if you have the right systems for approaching.

thirdly, even in the face of rejection you don't keep "begging".

Fourthly, I was just making a point that rejection is a part of life. Else we will not apply for school, toast a girl etc etc.. if that ego statement offends you, sorry o.. but we dont want people like you turning away the likes of Alaba because of home grown talent rule hahaha.. Look at us now.. still searching for a reliable left back. Reality has set in.

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let me add. Patriotism cannot come in if someone doesn't feel Nigerian. So you have ruled those in that category out. Very unfair since you didn't give them a chance. Commitment cannot be determined at the beginning. Sometimes these things come with maturity in the game. Oga you will rule out many abroad born players PREMATURELY oh. I pray you never make it to NFF. and not be swear, it's just that you seem like that kind that will repeat those things we have been frowning at.

Icon4s:
Please we only need players who will be committed and patriotic.
Any player who doesn't chose Nigeria just let him be.

Beg them to play and we'll continue to beg them to play.

And please keep the discussion civil if you want me to continue in this discussion.