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vooks:
Human life is valuable because of EMPATHY.
Why EMPATHIZE? Is empathy optional?

........................................... Another dumb question....................................
my above posts shall answer that, i do not wish to start typing everything i have typed before, its not necessary.

If you cannot make sense from all i have written above then its a pity ..

Let us wait for people who are reading our discussion in this thread tell us who among us is the shallow one.. shall we

vooks:
I forgive you for shallowness. davien kindly take him off the ring

Are you out of questions?

Then i invite the religious people around to come and read our discussions so far to see who really is the shallow person... shall we now wait for them to tell who the shallow one is dear one?

vooks:
You are running in circles; am human because am human therefore it is only reasonable to conclude that am nothing but human, as in like seriously, what else can I be but human?

Why do you care about humans? Do you have any objective reason for caring?

@bolded does that utterances even make sense to you or is it necesaary?

lol i am sure you are out of question... is it not the question i just answered.

Please go up and read all my replies again dear one!

vooks:
I know the definition of empathy,sympathy and all -athies you can conjure up.
Am aksin WHY do you, a mesh of cells, CARE about another mesh of cells' feelings?

Then it boils down to my first answer to you cus I am human...

my dear bro why are you still going in circles?

vooks:
Hitler was filled with intellect, I hear his IQ was off the charts, who/what determined what 'is good' for him?

I doubt ISIL have the IQ of labradors

Hahahahaha you are running out of questions arent you.

Hitler was filled with intellect but he chose his actions against empathy, that is the evil in what he did.. (i.e Hitler was a christian too)

Isil think they are carrying out the will of allah hence thats why i said ; Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right.

This two options above are all religious people too...lmao...funny

vooks:
Who/what is empathy and why does it matter?
Where does 'society'derive morality from?
Who/what determines 'right'?

@the bolded shows you really dont know your English, how can empathy be a who?....nawa ooooo.

Empathy is doing the things you do with consideration to the feelings of others so ask me again why it matters... next time search a word you dont know in the dictionary before asking such dumb question (i.e : Am not calling you dumb)

The society derives morality from empathy.

Right and wrong is encompassed in the dimension of empathy. . . as long as as anything you do hurts no one in anyway. e.g You kissing a girl do not hurt anybody in short in is pleasurable to both of you, so how can it be wrong?

davien:
johnydon he has a script to follow from answersingenesis...

let him take me up on it then... and let his fellow religious folks be the judge and we will see who is right

vooks:
Calm down and don't get worked up yet.
Am examining where your 'I' leads us; hopeless subjectivity
But why should an atheistic, Darwinism student with majors in materialism be worried about VALUE? It's all survival for the fittest. Bleep VALUES.

Why would he be obligated to follow that script which is biologically manufactured and with zero bearing on his 'reality'?

Now i guess you are telling us without someone threatening you with burning in hell, some one like you will never be moral.

That shows you are really mistaking what morality is all about.

Humans are filled with intellect and are able to discern what is good through our empathy towards others and society.

Oh yes i do all the bad things i want, i steal, i rape and i kill as many as i want and the many i want is 0 (zero).

All this goes against empathy hence i dont engage in any of them.

Now for religious morality it is not really morality.

If you are good because you want to make heaven, it is not really goodness cus you are just doing it for your own gain at the end, we call it selfishness.

If you are good because you want to escape hell, it is not really goodness cus you are just doing it to save your own skin, so for your own good.. we call it selfiness.

Real goodness is doing good for goodness sake.

Being good because you know it is right to be good.

Being good because you want good to happen on earth. that is really goodness in other words morality

vooks:
Am aksin, in your materialistic/naturalistic world, from when do you derive morals,values?

Morality is a product of empathy and the society.

In every animal their is always a basic sense of morality.

So morality is driven from humanity, Humanity is deeply moral and so every human on earth have an intense sense of morality.

Morality means doing what is right no matter what you are told, but religion on the other hands means doing what you are told no matter what is right.

Now next time you ask where our morality stems from, Look within yourself and see where yours stems from, you may think it religion but thats a lie.

Your basic sense of empathy and morality stems only from your humanity...

Empiree

Honestly i must say that your posts in this thread is disappointing.
You should never allow your religious convictions to disrupt your sense of humanity and reasoning.

What is marriage? marriage is a union between two CONSENTING adults?

Now tell me again what right the parents have to marry off a girl that is just approaching adolescent hood to a man.

Why not leave the girl to grow up to the age of reasoning then make her own decisions on how to live her life.

I am not here to bash islam if thats what you are thinking... but call a spade a spade.

It is evil...simple and short...

I advice you encompass your thinking and reasoning in empathy and outside the box of religion... only then can you think straight without any religious sentimental attachments tainting you sense of humanity.

Ifeann:
John as a humanist my guess is that u have a good old soft heart....but i must warn u... stop investigating islam further if u don't want ur heart broken . .. i have seen things that made me angry. . Sad and frustrated ..Islam is a mental illness that afflicts the wicked

Their is no race, no colour, no class system, no religion, no sexual orientation, no nothing that makes us better than anyone else, we are all deserving of love.

I just wish the world could understand this, the inhuman acts is disheartening. the worse is trying to justify it.

Honestly sometimes i wonder how people could live with such evil acts...

Maamin:
Op dont sweat it...Songs of Solomon aka Song of songs (Shir Hashirim in Hebrew) is an Inspired word of God like every other books in the canonised bible. it is among the ketuvim (other writings), more of poetic book of love for yerushalem.

Reference:
The Muslims always run to Songs of Solomon to pick an infamous (chapter 5:16) to validate Islam. They claimed that their beloved Prophet's name was mentioned there. But sorry to say it was not a book of prophecy.

A very good answer

yinny:
Song of Solomon 2:15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.
This has been used severally in reference to the little things dt seems not to matter in our life that can destroy so much in our relationship with God and man.
I can quote more from there for you my bro, pls on the issue of Religion I advise u follow d golden rule that centres on LOVE.

Nawa ooo did i ask you to cherry pick any verse and quote sir? I asked you to tell me the song of solomon is the inspired word of god or not.. simple question!!!

rationalmind:
The question has never occurred to me.

I think I need to ask her when next she brings up such topics

Dont oooo these our parents are so religious that you are gonna get hammered if u dare!!!

rationalmind:
My mum is a Nurse and I've heard her say the same thing. How they started praying when they had difficulties trying to carry out delivery on a woman undergoing labour.

And women dont have difficulties during delievery?

You know africa is riddled with superstition and Christianity hypes this superstition to the later...

So when they started praying, did they ask her to stop pushing so that the prayer will deliver the baby?

Anyway this is our african society for you...!!!

rationalmind:
The fact they term any ailment they presently cannot diagnose supernatural doesn't mean it's not natural.

Secondly, she felt what she wanted to feel

Bro no doctor ever have ever termed any ailment supernatural.
not even a doctor that is a religious fanatic.

I just couldnt bring myself to tender any reply to her based on that cus am still wondering the kind of nurse that would say such bullshit..

anyways she felt an evil spirit leave someone else's body... hahahahaha can you imagine !!!

Can you please be more clear and throw more light on what you really mean?

Macelliot:
Why did you ended up being an atheist? You can be a Christian and also a humanist but atheism is different.

Who told you am still a christian... '?Can you please address the op and stop all this yapping... nawa ooo... am so not gonna reply ur moniker again trust me...

Harbioollah:
Even as a muslim, i'm sorry to say how disappointed i am to see a fellow human think this way. But yeah, you are not different from most i have known. They brand me an infidel because of my stance against Child abuse and polygamy. One even called me an 'unorthodox muslim', a tag i now proudly boast of.


Destroying the life and future of these girls in the name of marriage child abuse is pathetic. Its so sad to see fellow muslims sell their young children to paedophiles all in the name of religion and marriage. We need to change our mentality. This is not the olden days, this is 2015. And with the rate humans are evolving, it is very sad to see someone like you think this way.

This is the first muslim that have actually made any sense in this thread...
i must commend you bro..
carry on with your open mindedness and freethinking spirit without allowing ur religious dogmas affect ur sense of humanity and reasoning...

Why is it that nobody is answering the Op na...

Macelliot:
John, why do you wish to be an atheist?

Ok derailing alert... why dont you just answer the op and stop dabbling into matters that are not ur business...

MzNelly:
lol Serious?

So my name doesnt give you any incentive at all?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what dah f**k laugh don wound me here ooooo.... Seun abeg front page ooo

elantraceey:
They've not because there haven't been a need to


They don't just quote scriptures for quoting sake ,.

Sweet the question is ... is the song of solomon breathed word or God or not

MzNelly:
Tell him o

Like say im dey go church sef

am sure i have been to church more than you...hahahahahaha :p

make una answer the question naa and stop telling why they have not quote it...

You know one of the basis of the christian religion is their belief in the infallibility of the bible as the breathed word of God.

Thats why most tend to argue and fight that they are no contradictions and myth in the bible even when it is riddled with them, who would want the word of their God have even the slightest contradiction? lol

Ok thats not the main issue for this thread...
I have noticed how no christian ever, be it in the church, street or almighty nairaland have never quote even one verse from the songs of solomon not even mention its name..my question now is [size=16pt] Is the song of solomon not part of the breathed/inspired word of God? [/size]

Empiree:
Punishments for Sexual Immorality

Which do you want?

The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment. Qur'an 24:2

Or

Leviticus 20:10

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

Now, don't come up with bogus excuse "that's old testament law". You are commanded to follow Law Moses. Don't quote me John 8:3-11

Oga i am an atheist..

none of those stupid harsh laws are good...

Killing a woman because of infidelity or lashing her... why dont you just divorce her if you cant put up with it... you leave her live her life...

i find it saddening some folks still leave by such stupid ancient laws in this 21st century...

Isalm is sickening... how can planet earth get better with this kind of madness!!!

Hiswordxray:
Well, I have shown you the way out but if you think by trying hard to be good you with actually achieve true goodness then you are deceiving yourself.

Maybe when you have tried and tried to be good you would realize how much of a failure you are. And then you would summit to the one who is good in Himself.

Oh meeeehn...
smh....
ok we are done sir...Thank You

Ifeann:
John, look u keep making a mistake. Islam is a political ideology that is based on totalitarianism, it tells Muslims from what hand and method to clean their a.ss with to topics on how breeding of sex slaves. Its not "all in the name of religion", its all in the name of Islam.

John do this random thing, go online and download the audio or free ebook copy of mere christainity, its not a preachy book, it was even written by an ex atheist. U will get to see how Christianity is vastly different from other religions.


Islam gives the belief in a God a bad image. The poorer Muslims marry off their children once after her first period..even as young as 9.

I actually found ur rant and how u cried funny. I have seen far worse from Islam, from beheadings of apostates, adulterers stoning, go on liveleak and see for urself.

Mind you dear, i have done many research about the main religions in the world.
They all have been violent at different point in time.
Like the period regarded as the dark ages (when christiandom ruled the earth) am sure you know about that.

You see Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told but religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right.

Islam is reeking havoc on the world now in the name of their religion which is evil no matter how it is portrayed...
My only concern as you may have noticed is the good of earth and all in it, for us to make earth liveable for us and our children not destroy it or wish it destroyed in the name of baseless unsure beliefs...

Thanks ifeann... Be Good!!!

Hiswordxray:
What I'm saying is that morality is useless. Human had known morality for a very long time but yet we find it very difficult to follow.

Good is a life form and knowledge of good doesn't give you the ability to do it. It only cause you to try to be good.

Each animal has it's nature and certain characteristics spring fort from that nature. For example a lion is usually a good predator, a rabbit is good at digging tunnels, a monkey is an expert tree climber etc. So also God is good at being good but human only have knowledge of good and trying to do this good. A human trying to be good is like a lion trying to be an expert tree climber (like a monkey). The lion may become very good in climbing trees compered with other lion but it can never be as good as a monkey.

Hence knowing good is useless and the knowledge of morality is unproductive.
I am good because I have the life of God in me. I'm not trying to be good but I'm naturally good. It my nature because it is God's nature.

God is the one that is good, the best way to be good is not gathering knowledge of good but it is having the life form (which is "good"

@The bolded.... you know what? ... am through with you on the matter, their is nothing to be said that have not already been said... it is left for the people reading it to see who is right here.

You may believe ur humanity to be ur weakness, sin, broken and ur enemy.
that is for you.

My humanity is my greatest strength, it is good, wonderful and my greatest ally.

Good is not an entity, neither do you need any supernatural idea to be good.

Be well my bro... we are through with the discussion!!!
Be Good for goodness sake thats all i have to say to you...