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tartar9:
if she can't be sent to school then what's wrong with her getting married? @ johnydon22

are you kidding me ? even if she doesnt want to go to school it gives no idi.ot any freaking right to subject such little girl to that fate.. she is still a littl girl damn it... Is this the type of brain religion gives u? Trying to justify evil...nawa ooo

JMAN05:
Which scientific method did they use to ascertain that such sickness was contagious. which scientific method was used to ascertain we were made from dust?

thats the point, dont shift it to another thing.

Where is that science book which proves imperically that life comes from nonliving thing?

Make good use of that brain pls.

Oh mehnnnnn... **Sighs** please i give up... how can i possibly argue with you, honestly i dont believe somebody can actually type this thing you just typed above... Anyways Just read more books, you clearly need it my bro..

Peace and stop getting emotional about this..

Oh that precious moment when you see theist castigating their own holy books and pointing out even the pornography in it the best part is, none of we agnostics or atheists are involved...woooow i have never even thought of these verses tho... anyways continue you guys are doing a very good job exposing this books even far more than we can ever dream of

torchwave:
Now you will hear all kinds of hypothetical explanations in support of the existence of life in their thousands of varieties from substance or energy which, though lacks substantial verification or evidence, has been widely accepted as an indisputable fact.

Moreover, it is the same scientific explanation for the existence of the sun, moon, millions of stars, oceans, hills, mountains, the Antarctic, grasses, trees, forests, land...etc etc. Any scientific jargon is more easily accepted than the logical explanation of every intelligent design having an intelligent designer behind it.

My point is...just let it go. It will turn this thread into another field of bloodless war to determine the supremacy of thought.

Do you know the difference between scientific explanation and religious explanation; When science says this is true, you dont need to believe just experiment on it and nobody needs convincing you.
But i bet you already know about the religious explanation, when they say is true, dont ask just believe it (believing is not knowing)

Just saying tho.

I for one do not claim to know how anything came to be and i know nobody knows YET.

for the the atom guy; Am sure you went to secondary school ..

©bolded..scientific explanations have never been termed undisputable, it has ever been open to peer review, scrutinization and more research.

If you see any scientific explanation you think wrong, the floor is always open. Do ur study, disprove it and scientifically tender the right one, am sure you will be given a nobel price after your explanation is proven true.

asadike:
what else could it be? Something I felt with my bare hands? Don't worry dear, you will soon experience same. I work in a hosp and I ve discovered that not all ailments are natural

Sweetheart, you try so hard to believe this even when you dont have evidence for it or seen it before...
anyway i charge you to know more so that you may stop being scared of abstract things that only exist in the mind of those who think they do..

finofaya:
Is that really common sense? For you, the "well organized and tidied room" is just this universe. For us, it also includes any proposed God. With God, a room is even an understatement. What you have is a stupendous car assembly plant (since God is infinitely great! according to you people), and that stands in bigger need of an explanation than a well organized room. Its faith that leads you to God, not common sense.

Since what you wrote is not common sense you are probably a fool. I stand to be corrected.

The universe in no way is not even well organized...
we have galaxies colliding with the other, asteroids and meteorites battering the planets and some totally annihilating the planet.

the universe is still expanding, so it means the universe is still on its formation process..

Earth is not well organized too... if it is we wouldnt have anything like natural disasters, tonadoes etc that claim millions of life every year.

If a god did this, then it is either that god is a serial killer or no f**king god did it...

asadike:
no dear, but I felt one leave my sister some years back, worst, I was d one dat conducted d deliverance. When I felt it leave my sister, o boy na so I pick race.

you felt it?
hahahahahaha how so sure are you it was an evil spirit since you didnt even see but felt it..

asadike:
if u like believe it,if u want, don't believe it. O boy, evil spirits are real.

lolzzz have you seen one?

Check again guys!!!

asadike:
That man was possessed by d incubus demon.

And the parents of the girl that actually agreed to this by giving her to him in marriage are possessed by what
seriously both the parents and the husband are retards and out of their dame minds, islam too is f**king out of dia god damn mind for allowing this nonsense..
Lolzzz tho am sure you know i dont believe that incubus crap hun !!!

MzNelly:
You....wept?

It was so painful for me seeing a fellow human being subjected to such cruelty.
their is nothing i consider more sacred than human life (Humans)

Definitely from wikipedia encyclopedia ....


anyway here it is

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

[b]Ok most of you here know i am not a christian neither am i a muslim.
Am a humanist and i quite make myself out to be agnostic atheist in views.
ok now to the issue of the matter.

I was going somewhere with my brother, talking as we were going.
We saw a little muslim girl approaching from the front.
She was clad in a purple hijab and was HEAVILY PREGNANT carrying a bucket of whatever it is she was selling.

We didnt pay much mind to her until she came very close and we saw she was just a child not more than 13, already subjected to this type of thing.
She should be in school or even if not she definately should still be under the full protection and care of her parents.

I and my brother felt like following her to her house and beating the hell out of that man that has done such nonsense to such a little girl.
I cried so hard when i got home, not just for her but for millions of girls who are victims of such un-human act all over the world all in the name of Religion!!!

Please my muslim brothers and sisters "Is this right (moral) [/b]

An2elect2:
I have no time to argue(either) with atheists, i just spill out the truth out there for them whether they take it or leave it.

Ok just to be clear, i am not here to argue either

An2elect2:
You don't need special revelation to know that there are proofs of God's existence.

You don't find a well organised and tidied room in a lone place and assume it got organised by itself or things just got themselves together. This is common sense. Someone did that! A fool lacks this sense

This is not evidence that superntural spiritual being brought the world to being... I don't claim to know how the world came to be even you cannot boast to possess this knowledge..That we do not know how it happened doesnt entail we should come up with something absurd as a spirit being did it ...You just believe the christian God did it cus you are a christian, same way the muslims believe theirs did it too, same goes to the greeks believe zeus did...now which of this gods actually did it and why do you think it is that particular god and not the others?
Taking from your logic since nothing cant come out of nothing it must need a god, then god must also have been created by another god and then another god the chain goes on and on.

An2elect2:
Am a Christian who submits totally to the authority of the bible and it is recorded in this book that you and your atheists friends are fools. And i believe that you are!

Even though half of the bible is just jewish history, fables and myths? should we just subscribe to them without asking questions that we deem necessary? So because this book calls a set of people fools, you label them fools? Cant you for once think independently for yourself without revolving it around an ancient book you dont even know the people that wrote?...Calling someone a fool is a hateful word, and because this ur supposedly holy book propagates this hate it is now incited into you and you exhibit it... so much for morality

An2elect2:
Its far better to know what is waiting for you in the great beyond than pass on with tormenting fear of the unknown#

I take it that religion to you is a means to escape the unknown.
How do you know what is waiting for you in the great beyond?
cus the bible told you, you will get golden mansions and white robes.
The muslims believe they will get virgins because their own holy book told them so...
You term them delusional but yours dont look like delusion to u.
Their is nothing like fear of the unknown, death is final. it is a characteristic of a living thing.
You have this one chance now on earth, make the most of it, wishing for another is greediness

frank317:
How? I thought he made so much sense

I absolutely have no idea the debate he is talking about bro!

timonski:
you atheists lost the debate

What has any debate got to do with all i just typed now? wooow... Ok good you won the debate ...weldone bro(Tho i dont even know the debate you are talking about here)

Hiswordxray:
Philosophy may be good but it lack power.
Knowledge may be helpful but without life it is useless (Christ is the life).
You can preach philosophy from now till the next twenty year but it will only accomplish very little good.
Humans had known morality for years but find it very difficult to follow.

The problem is the nature of man (it is evil) and no amount of philosophy, moral laws or even religion could change it.
But Christ have come to give us God's nature.

The life of God is the solution we've been looking for.
If you want to see people change and life transformed then give them Christ (not religion, not moral law or ethical code, not even philosophy).

My dear i do not know what you are trying so hard to assert here.

You may not be moral without the concept of christ or God but that is you.

I on the other is as moral as any human possibly can be and i do not believe that my morality stems from any deity or creed, i believe it stems from my humanity.

That is the difference between you and i; You believe your morality stems from the supernatural or a deity and you expect reward and hope to escape punishment after you are dead But i know my morality is from my humanity and i do not believe it has anything to do with the supernatural or deity neither do i expect any reward or hope to escape punishment, i am moral because it is good.

Morality is not distinctively christian either is it islamic or any religion.
Morality is human, it belongs to no ism.
and it does not depend for foundation upon any supernatural, upon any book or creed.
Morality itself is a foundation...
Be Good For Goodness Sake

JMAN05:
The bible said how life began, even stating we came from dust. That perfect statement can hardly come from ordinary people who had no way to test the body and know its makeup. What about the contagious effect of leprosy? how could they have known that?

Even if it is pagans that give a different definition of "GOD", the thing is, there is a supernatural power. Denying that to me, is senseless. There is no reason to believe that there is no supernatural power.

Wooooow how can i possibly reply to this?
My only advice is consult your science books on what the human body is made of..
So ostracizing a leprous patient is good? what about treat them? care for them?
seriously no offence my good brother but the above post sounds dumb please have a rethink

JMAN05:
Belief in God is more plausible than atheism that cant explain how all they have around them came about.

Bro i do not claim to know how all these things came to be cus their were there before me, i did not come before the...
nobody knows even you; You deem it convenient enough to say a supernatural being did it (Many people believe different supernatural beings did) that you believe this doesnt make it true cus its just mere believe, you literally dont know and me on the other hand dont know but i am not ashamed to say "I dont know" ....

frank317:
U are right bro...hey Mr 5minsmadness... Sorry for calling u a fool.

5minsmadness:
Well I still think you re spiritually frustrated!

Just kidding man.
Sorry if my.comment of spiritually frustrated offended you. I apologise .

Aaaaaaw am so proud of you two... this is how things should be..
so glad you guys listened to me

now to all here in religion section while arguing about our different religions or different beliefs or orientation, let us not take them personal and use abuse.

No matter our diversity, our humanity is still our bond and love should always be our main view of our fellow humans no matter the difference.

Peace and love be with all...!!!

Frank317 and 5minsmadness
Common brothers lets not get personal with this...
Let us let it go and move on.
I love you all here in religious section
We learn alot and have fun with our arguments but no one should take it personal...
Peace to all

LadyX:
Johnydon22,

I was talking to Frank317 because I can relate with what he's saying.

I have seen you copy paste several times that there is no god.
You asked whether I have encountered God, my answer is a solid YES. I know your next question will be prove that God exists...I don't want to engage in e-war with someone that might not be ready or open minded enough to reason with me.

I want you to know (I know you already know, so it's more of a reminder) that there are different levels of being.
Physical: You can see physical things like trees, stars, clouds etc. If told to prove that a tree exist, you would just point at tree.
Emotional: These are feelings that cannot be seen, but they can be felt. You can prove the existence of feelings like pain, or joy easily through tears (for pain), laughter/smile (For joy), other feelings cannot be proven easily.
Mental/Psychological: It's all in the mind. Some mental conditions can be proven; while others cannot. For example, you can prove that someone, or a mad man has a mental problem because they talk crap or walk naked.
Spiritual: This affects the soul as opposed to physical, emotional, or mental state. Spiritual matters are difficult to explain or understand because we are all at different spiritual levels. Some people are high up there spiritually, while others are almost empty spiritually.

a) Let's start with evil. You have heard, even if you don't believe, about witches and/or witch doctors. They do exist. Some are more powerful than others. There are junior witch doctors who seek spiritual powers from seniour witch doctors. What does that tell you? They are not equal spiritually. Can you prove it by just looking at them? No. Does that mean spirituality does not exist? No. Just because you don't believe in something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Think more about this.

b) Let's move to good. Before we move further, let me tell you that most things have opposites: good> evil, light>darkness, man>woman, heaven>earth etc. Because there are evil powers, there are also good powers. Evil powers are represented by Satan, and good powers are represented by God (You don't have to believe this, but that's how it is). Like I said earlier, there are different spiritual levels. At the bottom we have humans followed by angels, then God (If you've heard of the Holy Trinity, it represents God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). One thing you need to understand is that humans cannot control God, i.e, when you ask God a question or when you ask Him to do something for you, He will do it at His own time/will. So if it's God will that He will reveal HImself to you, He will. Note: It is written that no one can see God and live. So don't expect to see Him in human form.


Finally, and the most important: Blasphemy is a sin, whether you believe in God or not.

P.S: I will not reply quotes about this post.

lmao... now take a look at this... i asked a simple question and thisbdude got emotional...
Anyway let me ignore since obviously you are afraid of of having a rational argument or should i say afraid of questions.. I am very open minded so let us reason without boring long posts shaa..
Are you in?

Emusan:
What type of evidence do you need before you believe that the God or gods exist?

How about showing me, we both do not need to believe we have joysticks, we both know we do...
If their are evidence for any god it wont be termed belief anymore, it will be knowing (untmost certainty) but their is not hence belief (faith)

Emusan:
First you mistakenly misapply the word "EMPIRICAL" because empirical can also means BASED ON EXPERIENCE.
Lastly, Christians can't believe in Allah of Islam simply because Yahweh is still speaking to those who love and seek Him which makes Islam false.

And am sure muslims still make this exact claim for allah hence they conclude yahweh is false...
You see that your conviction is based on your sentimental attachment to one particular fable?

Emusan:
Well that's for Atheist.

hahahahahaha

Emusan:
So did Christians ever tell you that they ONLY believe but NO evidence for THEIR BELIEVE?

And what are the evidences?
A book? prrrrrrrrrrrf ya right!!

Emusan:
So you want a theist to enter Lab and begin to perform experiment to bring God out or in what standard do you base your evidence?

see my first reply.. Or better still divide the red see again show me a talking donkey hahahaha...chai..

Emusan:
If you like call it Myth from now till you die that won't put God out of existence because people have found God beyond just BELIEVE.
I know you may say it's delusion well TRUTH IS ALWAYS TRUE.

exactly the same way the greeks claim.their myths are true even though its plain myth.
Its dead funny when you discard the Hercules story as myth but believes the samson story as true even.though the hercules story predates that of samson and the later probably was plagiarized from the former..
Their is no amount of belief that can ever make these true...

LadyX:
Hi Frank,
I like the first bolded part. One day God will reveal Himself to you.
@ the second bolded part. I can relate with that. Sometimes, we go through very tough times that we doubt the existence of God. We ask ourselves, "If God trully exists, why did He allow it to happen?"

I did not quote you to prove how wrong, or right you are. I just want you to know that it's perfectly normal to feel how you are feeling. I hope one day you will encounter God, and you will believe that He trully exists.

Peace

Dear tell us how you encountered him/her/it..

Was this encounter just in your mind?

Or did you actually perceive/encounter it/him/she in your conscious self (with your senses)

And thinking someone's disbelief is due to difficulties is totally wrong..

disbelief starts from question like How, why and seeking knowledge based on facts and not belief

Their is no evidence that their is a god. not zeus, allah, yahweh or horus etc...
All we have is mythical ancient writings and impossible fables very peculiar to the culture that this god or gods are exclusive to.

Now some people might see it ok to Believe (conviction that something is true without empirical evidence) any of these ideas (gods) and fables by faith dismissing the others as we have seen in the cases of christians believing in.yahweh and not allah and muslims doing the reverse.
Though both religions just believe by faith their respective god ideas.

Now atheism entails not having a conviction that something implausible is true even though their is no evidence for it.

So believing something implausible as true does not and can never make it true..

We ask theists to provide evidence for their respective God even though we know that they have none.

You may choose to believe the jewish myth, or arabic myth or greek myth..that is good for you but we call it myth as it is and nothing more...

Their is no evidence that their is a god. not zeus, allah, yahweh or horus etc...
All we have is mythical ancient writings and impossible fables very peculiar to the culture that this god or gods are exclusive to.

Now some people might see it ok to Believe (conviction that something is true without empirical evidence) any of these ideas (gods) and fables by faith dismissing the others as we have seen in the cases of christians believing in.yahweh and not allah and muslims doing the reverse.
Though both religions just believe by faith their respective god ideas.

Now atheism entails not having a conviction that something implausible is true even though their is no evidence for it.

So believing something implausible as true does not and can never make it true..

We ask theists to provide evidence for their respective God even though we know that they have none.

You may choose to believe the jewish myth, or arabic myth or greek myth..that is good for you but we call it myth as it is and nothing more...

The Concept of gods is a primitive idea, we only attack this concepts with intellectual scrutinization and rationalism...

Their is no evidence that their is a god. not zeus, allah, yahweh or horus etc...
All we have is mythical ancient writings and impossible fables very peculiar to the culture that this god or gods are exclusive to.

Now some people might see it ok to Believe (conviction that something is true without empirical evidence) any of these ideas (gods) and fables by faith dismissing the others as we have seen in the cases of christians believing in.yahweh and not allah and muslims doing the reverse.
Though both religions just believe by faith their respective god ideas.

Now atheism entails not having a conviction that something implausible is true even though their is no evidence for it.

So believing something implausible as true does not and can never make it true..

We ask theists to provide evidence for their respective God even though we know that they have none.

You may choose to believe the jewish myth, or arabic myth or greek myth..that is good for you but we call it myth as it is and nothing more...

Cus their is simply no deity responsible for anybody, group of persons or activities here on earth...
If their is such a deity that can help give you a job, do you think such a deity will allow anything like earth quakes, Tsunamies, tonadoes and talk about hunger in east africa or ebola rampaging the earth?

How can an all powerful deity that dont care enough to address this important issues provide a job for someone...

dear the earlier you understand their is no god or spirit or gods responsible for you,
that everything you do on earth is sorely your responsibility then the better...

Their is no evidence that their is a god. not zeus, allah, yahweh or horus etc...
All we have is mythical ancient writings and impossible fables very peculiar to the culture that this god or gods are exclusive to.

Now some people might see it ok to Believe (conviction that something is true without empirical evidence) any of these ideas (gods) and fables by faith dismissing the others as we have seen in the cases of christians believing in.yahweh and not allah and muslims doing the reverse.
Though both religions just believe by faith their respective god ideas.

Now atheism entails not having a conviction that something implausible is true even though their is no evidence for it.

So believing something implausible as true does not and can never make it true..

We ask theists to provide evidence for their respective God even though we know that they have none.

You may choose to believe the jewish myth, or arabic myth or greek myth..that is good for you but we call it myth as it is and nothing more...

Their is no evidence that their is a god. not zeus, allah, yahweh or horus etc...
All we have is mythical ancient writings and impossible fables very peculiar to the culture that this god or gods are exclusive to.

Now some people might see it ok to Believe (conviction that something is true without empirical evidence) any of these ideas (gods) and fables by faith dismissing the others as we have seen in the cases of christians believing in.yahweh and not allah and muslims doing the reverse.
Though both religions just believe by faith their respective god ideas.

Now atheism entails not having a conviction that something implausible is true cus their is simply no evidence for it.

So believing something implausible as true does not and can never make it true..

We ask theists to provide evidence for their respective God even though we know that they have none.

You may choose to believe the jewish myth, or arabic myth or greek myth..that is good for you but we call it myth as it is and nothing more...

Very Dumb superstition!!!

iwuchukwutony:
Hell is real...

Is earth is real? (simple question just yes or no please no long story)