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KunleOshob:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29:

  28 “Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, 29 he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver.[a] Then he must marry the young woman because he [b]violated [/b]her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives.


Clearly here the penalty here is marriage (in the case of the girl being a virgin prior to the act) without option of divorce. this law to me seems man made and not divine. IMHO

@kunleoshb
I am sure you will agree that violating is not a good word shows that the man sinned. the penalty maybe too lenient but no one would have married the girl after such violation anyway (OT days) so the best option is that particular punishment.OT

Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall become united and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

cleave to his wife. if u are really cleaving i m sure there won't be space for another woman

Matt 19:4
4He answered,  "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two but one flesh.What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

KunleOshob:
To answer all your questions above, there is no clear cut christian injunction that a christian cannot marry more than one wife. It really is an assumption with very weak biblical foundation. Only church leaders were instructed not to have more than one wife, this can be verified in the following passages:

1 Timothy 3:2:

   2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1 Timothy 3:12:

   12Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.


The fact that it was only church leaders that were specifically instructed not to have more than one wife implies that the rest of the church members could if they so desired  I think this idea of one wife was introduced when european culture mixed with christianity. Whilst i am not an advocate for polygamy, i believe it is wrong for preachers to present their personal opinions as the word of God and indoctrinate it. Such issues should at best be advisory and not presented as the word of God.

PS: If any one knows any clear cut bible quote which directs christians in general not to marry more than one wife, kindly post it here. I would really like to be corrected of this notion if i am wrong.

Church leaders were not born church leaders they became leaders after their conduct and life was examined when they were church members
like u stated their family was checked. If all members become polygamist then who becomes a deacon or bishop? all christian should endeavor to become leaders so,

@ topic
the man should have been left alone with his wives (my opinion) since he married them b4 he became a xtian though there is a school of though that says he do restitution but,

Assuming KunleOshob post is true, that means one can come to the conclusion that its demonic then since the fallen angels are demons now.

But that apart most that, people that go into this method to know their future is acting from fear and and can't trust the God that says he has a future for us. we have the holyspirit now so he can teach me all things.

@kunleoshob
Where did you get that from?

Nice one. I will really love to hear people thought on this, so dear friends share your opinion.

but i think there is a place in the bible where we are told not to visit psychics or observe the times Deut 18:9-10 but the question now is does the zodiac sign fall under this category?

Thanks I will chk it now.

@go4gold107
hmm y can't u give me a bit of the gist now. then i will get the rest via email. thanks

Please does anyone have info about ericsson test format plssssssssss its very important advises are also welcome. Thank you

Not just funny but very suspicious.

Bastage:
Mithras day was celebrated on the 25th of December [/b]and that's now the day that we celebrate Christmas. Even though the Bible tells us that Christ was not born in December.

And that's just one religion and just a small sample of the similarities it contains!!! Christianity also borrowed from a number of other religions as well.

No. It's total fact. Just because it doesn't agree with what you believe in doesn't make it any less true.

Some more similarities:

ATTIS - Phrygia: Born of the virgin Nana on [b]December 25. He was both the Father and the Divine Son. He was a savior crucified on a tree for the salvation of mankind. He was buried but on the third day the priests found the tomb empty -- He had arisen from the dead (on March 25th). He followers were baptized in blood, thereby washing away their sins -- after which they declared themselves "born again." His followers ate a sacred meal of bread, which they believed became the body of the savoir.

BUDDIAH – INDIA: Born of the Virgin Maya on December 25th. He was announced by a star and attended by wise men presenting costly gifts. At birth angles sing heavenly songs. He taught in temple at age 12. Tempted by Mara, the Evil One (Satan), while fasting. He was baptized in water with the Spirit of God present. Buddiah healed the sick and fed 500 from a small basket of cakes and even walked on water. He came to fulfill the law and preached the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness and obliged followers to poverty and to renounce the world. He transfigured on a mount. Died (on a cross, in some traditions), buried but arose again after tomb opened by supernatural powers. Ascended into heaven (Nirvana). Will return in later days to judge the dead. Buddiah was called: "Good Shepherd," "Carpenter," "Alpha and Omega," "Sin Bearer," "Master," "Light of the World," "Redeemer," etc.

DIONYSUS - GREECE: Born of a Virgin on December 25th, placed in a manger. He was a traveling teacher who performed many miracles. Turned water into wine. Followers ate sacred meal that became the body of the god. He rose from the dead March 25th. Identified with the ram and lamb's and was called "King of Kings," "Only Begotten Son," "Savior," "Redeemer," "Sin bearer," "Anointed One," the "Alpha and Omega."

HERACLES – GREECE: Born at the winter equinox of a virgin who refrained from sex with her until her god-begotten child was born and was sacrificed at the spring equinox. He too, was called "Savior," "Only begotten," "Prince of Peace," "Son of Righteousness."


OSIRIS – EGYPT: He came to fulfill the law. Called "KRST," the "Anointed One." Born of the virgin Isis-Meri on [b]December 25th i[/b]n a cave / manger, with his birth announced by a star and attended by three wise men. Earthly father named "Seb" (translates to "Joseph." At age 12 he was a child teacher in the Temple and at 30 he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years. Osiris was baptized in the river Iarutana -- the river Jordan -- by "Anup the Baptizer," who was beheaded. (Anup translates to John.) He performed miracles, exorcised demons, raised El-Osiris from the dead. Walked on water and was betrayed by Typhon, crucified between two thieves on the 17th day of the month of Athyr. Buried in a tomb from which he arose on the third day (19th Athyr) and was resurrected. His suffering, death, and resurrection celebrated each year by His disciples on the Vernal Equinox -- Easter. Called "The Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "god's Anointed Son,' the "Son of Man," the "Word made Flesh," the "word of truth." Expected to reign a thousand years.

Is it not funny a lot of them were born on the 25th of December that's a little funny.

The virgin birth has been prophesied long before Jesus was born so its easy for the devil to quickly use that to deceive people and organise a lot of virgin births.

~Lady~:
Anyway to answer the poster's question.

It could be because of what is going on in the Anglican church. They are now allowing ordination of gay priests. I do know that a significant number of anglicans have returned to the Catholic Church.
Yeah the whole gay thing, split the church right down the middle, not so good.

The Anglican commission Nigeria is against ordination of gay priests. I don't that's the problem.

So i think a form of marriage is necessary (It could be parlor wedding) before the sex begins.

It has been sorted in another thread that white wedding is not the only way to be married. But parent consent (traditional marriage) is necessary and leaving both parents to live together so Gamine if this is what you mean then its not being committed it is being married.

lets assume pre marital sex is not sin (I don't agree sha). I am sure many of us has been in a relationship that didn't work out even though we had the intention of getting married initially. So we sleep with the person because u plan to marry him or her then u break up (for whatever reason), then u meet some1 else and u were so sure that he/she is the ONE then u have sex with him/her again but something happens (maybe genotype prob) then u break up again then it goes on and on and on and on and on, U've end up sharing the thing meant for your husband with 10 people yet u have not sinned.

if your body rules u then u are not of the spirit.

How everybody oh? Its been a long time just want to say hello.

udoka Ekwe:
Don't forget to "err is human but to forgive is divine", so ask God to give you the heart to forgive your husband when he comes back because if you really commit it in the hand of God he will definitely come back but it can only take time.

Cheer up and take heart the storm will soon be over.

Come back? for what ? Please forgive him but you don't have to take him back.

Abeg sis just pray and ask for the balm to heal your heart. God will comfort you and try and be with family members so that they can help u get over him.
God bless u.

lacrimose:
I try to stay away from these kind of topics on sickle cell or (As). My partner and I are both AS. We are not married yet, but i am sorry, i guess we are one of those that don't worry about it. I guess the way nigerians look at life is a little different. It might because of past experiences and many of us carry sickle cell trait. I didnt think about it until i found out in my home church that they strongly advice against two AS's getting married. I was just inquistive and found out i was one and my boyfriend also carry the trait.

I understand people's arguments and respect it. but you only have one life to live. I heard some people on this thread saying marry an AA and leave a stress free life. Yes you can, but what if that person is not for you and u trade your happiness for genotype. You can never tell wot life is going to bring to you. Someone can have an AA child that might develop different kind of diseases or cancer or life long battle with mental issues, or might inherit genes that makes him/her a dwarf. The list of diseases you can inherit from both parents is endless. So to discourage people from following their heart should not be done. Just hope for the best. If you live in fear, u make decisions that might not be suitable for u as a person. I as a person would not change my opinions and i hardly talk about them because of how shallow people are. But then again, a lot of people going through sickel cell diseases are talking from their painful experience which is understandable, but know where u stand.

Please follow your heart and pray about it. If you feel that marrying an AS person is something you can't handle , then don't go ahead with it, but if life takes you into that direction, go for it but be ready and be strong.

Hmm i do respect you. (I hope your partner feels the same way u do)

But i believe you can find happiness with anyone. Why should the right person be AS and not AA. Darling if you witness the stress people go through (especially the innocent babies) you may feel different , the fear is killing believe me I have seen it. Dear I am not saying you should change your mind since there are so many options now available for couples with both AS but they are stressful and expensive
So I'll like u just to change from i don't care to I do care and I can have AA kids even if i marry an AS.

I hope u get me

davidylan:
funny how unrealistic this response is.
Things Onyiidon has to consider if she takes the IVF option . . .
- Cost
- Where?
- Will her husband be willing to "father" children that are not his own?
- Whose eggs if the husband's sperm is used?

Why can't their egg and sperm be use? Its just selecting and combining the ones that won't produce sickle cell.
I also know that medically you can know the genotype of the baby as early as 2 months(during pregnancy).

@poster
i think you should move on. I know there is a place of faith but do you have that kind of faith and the medical options can be costly (too costly sometimes abortion). He can't stop you from moving on talk with him its not just about the both of you (future offspring should be considered) .

I don't know if any1 has mentioned this, but most people go to church to get something, good things like blessing, word of God, encouragement etc. But the there is more joy and fulfilment in giving than receiving (not talking money here).

why not join a group in church where you can be a blessing so you won't just be going to church just to get blessed but to b a blessing to some1. this worked for me. I felt more useful and needed.

I remember going to deeper live as a child (I was about 8 or 9) for a program, and a man spoke to me about why it was wrong to use perfume and wear ready made (to a 8/9 yr old imagine) even then as a child i was wondering what that has to do with Christ and God. I asked him why then did Mary pour perfume on Jesus leg. Its funny I still remember this but even at that tender age an opinion was formed and ,

But recently i met a lady from DLBC, and she was actually nice to me didn't condemn me and accepted i was a Christian even with my different appearance from hers, and i wonder why most are not like her. I learnt a lot from during my short stay with and actually followed to church,

Maybe if members are more patient and less condemning more youth will listen to the message they have.

Tayo-D:
What more do you do after accepting Christ to obtain salvation? Please share this "another" Gospel with us.
My Bible is always opened.

philippians 2:12.
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

weakling

Even the church wedding is void without a court notice,

What i mean here (before i am torn to pieces) is that as proof of marriage u can't just give the church name without a court thing it won't be legal in (my country sha)

Let start with this question, What is marriage?
I am going to give a biblical defination Gen 2:23-24.

To me so far the two families are involved and the wife's parent hands her over to the husband they are married.
Even the church (Most churches i Know) can't marry two people without the two parents in agreement.
The church is for blessing and also to involve the spiritual family.
So there si no sin involved.

Even the church wedding is void without a court notice,

Let people respond first.

This is nice. What i like most about it is that it makes u study your bible in search for answers. Its cheap too so many people will be winning the prizes.

Make i do quick go send my answer to the email.

@ samix
you are right, just that i ve been having a little difficult time here, but no prob sha i am happy i am here.
So how now? wetin dey? I hope u are preparing.

@nedujizzy
Thanks oh, Nothing really just trying to survive in a strange land. Men i miss home seriously. Anyway hopin to come visit soon.

this another example

this is another example

@Sam
how now ? long time happy new year

9ja:
Sorry bro, islamic law (sharia) doesn't allow it

Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters) until they believe; a slave woman who
believes is better than an unbelieving woman even though she allure you. Nor marry
(your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: a man slave who believes is better than
un unbeliever even though he allure you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the fire.
But Allah beckons by His grace to the Garden (of Bliss) and forgiveness and makes His
Signs clear to mankind: that they may celebrate His praise. baqra (Q:221).

The word used is mushrik-arabic="a polythiest. A person who ascribes partners to Allah"

I just read the post by Backslider
Conversion to islam in Egypt details.

No need to say more.

9ja:
To:jokepearl
wats up?
just because some muslim men marry xtain girls with n hope of them of leaving xtain doesn't mean its a norm or standard islam.its a choice n everybody will account 4 their choices in life,so don't thinks its a plot.

I think is a norm i've met so many muslim men that won't mind they don't even give it a thought if u tell them u are christian. I ve also heard a lot of Muslim relatives saying things like women don't have any religion 'Obirin o le sin'. meaning it depends on the husband she marry's
All muslims i've met don't mind but maybe the ones i ve met are not serious muslim but men they plenty!