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OldEagle:
Be careful what you write on social media cause maybe you might be the one the devil is using, instead of praying for the man of God if you have any issues you've decided to castigate him, I watch this is your day and Benny hinn always says the greatest miracle is salvation, Christ Jesus shed he's blood for salvation and giving for the gospel is not a sin, Muslims give even idol worshippers give, pls be careful!

lastmessenger:
I dont care.i am the last person to be decieved by a big name.

sonofluc1fer:
@JoshTheFirst : didn't hear from you. Chess.com

wiegraf:
Just to be clear, I think josh is genuinely ret.arded

Harbinger is veering close to that predicament too

wiegraf:
To be clear, I think you mean to say alphago's programming is more basic, less sophisticated than what my brain can come up with, rather than less primitive.

It would be odd to call simple arithmatic primitive. It's less complicated than calculus or whatever, but definitely not primitive in the strict sense.

Either ways, simple arithmatic or calculus; both mathematics. So, can we agree that what my brain does and what a machine does are the same thing: thinking, essentially. The only difference being that the thinking machines can come up with is less complex (in certain cases) than what my brain can come up with?

Goot

Not exactly, no.

I will not give a long lecture on how it works. It's written in all the links I provided earlier. Please read when you have the time if you're inclined to. A small summary tho...

They follow algorithms, true, to achieve a set goal. However, what the algorithm might be, is not preset. It would modify as it sees fit (read: trains itself), forming a black box which we do not necessarily need know the details of. We just know it works.

Or rather, that it works to an acceptable degree

You see, it does not need to go through every single permutation of a given problem and what not. It is not the sort of program that is a hundred percent certain of where it is going, and that's the beauty of it. It's almost like it acts on......instinct

Trained, calculated instinct, of course. But the idea is that you yourself have trained your instinct and intuition as well, you just don't realise it.

More on that soon.

Err, yes. I follow a algorithms, and similar ones to the ones that alphago generates. You forget that neural networks draw their inspiration from nature? (Indeed, on of the most famous examples of a generic black box is.....the brain. But a black box can simply mean anything that works but is not (or even, theoretically, cannot be) understood)

And by the way, assuming only the cerebral cortex is related consciousness (big assumption, but meh for now), you've got 20 billion neurons in there. I can guarantee you alphago doesn't simulate anywhere near that figure of nodes. At the most, it simulates a couple of hundred thousand nodes or such.

So, yes, what nature has come up with after billions of years of evolution may be more sophisticated in various use cases, but many basic principles are shared between alphago's neural networks and my brain.

Why do you mention fairytales when you believe a man can walk on water?

This is your evidence? Kayi. Well done. Clap for yourself.

Anyways, provided I brought you a reasonable framework to explain somethng that you previously attributed to mumbojumbo, you'd stick with mumbojumbo because.....this?

WHO BUILT YOU GOD!?!

I don't think you have to be particularly smart to build a mini-wiegraf. I mean, you've built a god, supposedly much greater than mine. I'm sure you can come up with a miniature wiegraf, even if it will only exist in your brain.

Anyhow, computers are basic, simple brains. So we are actually building mini-wiegrafs, see? And don't worry, we'll get to life soon enough. But no, continue with the god of the gaps as it pleases you

wiegraf:
Read the full quote.. .

He states it very clearly that the device need not be human....

wiegraf:
Read the full quote.. .

He states it very clearly that the device need not be human.

He describes 'decisions' as 'processes in space and time'. Simply put; events.


Apparatuses register 'decisions' all.the.time.


Even if I indulged and played the language game, the machine you're using to read this right now registered (and made) thousands of decisions from booting up to displaying this page, no? (don't believe me? Look at the code!)

plaetton:
The Sun is the most qualified to be given that title.

The Sun is the most acknowledged deity.
Sun worship is the oldest, truest and only religion there is.
Almost all of the world's major religious have their roots in Sun worship.

johnydon22:
so other species don't love or have emotional capabilities?

Gombs:
How please?

Gombs:
I'm saying you don't have a covenant with Jesus.

plaetton:
No sacrifice required.
The sun sees all, all our hearts, as it bathes our individual cells with His radiant light.

wiegraf:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligence



The bolded: NO

Or more accurately, not necessarily. Consciousness is not a requirement.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_(quantum_physics)

And when it's said that other authorities downplay any special role for humans, they mean the vast majority



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_causes_collapse

Now, to be clear, there are various intepretations as to what's going on, and non are definitive. But if you're looking at which are more supported, Copenhagen, many worlds, etc, definitely have more support than Von Neumann–Wigner (AKA consciousness causes collapse). Even Wigner himself stopped supporting it.

The observer has, rather, only the function of registering decisions, i.e., processes in space and time, and it does not matter whether the observer is an apparatus or a human being;

johnydon22:
Even humans can also exhibit the behaviours you listed above, vandalizing each other belongings, territorial encroachment or being mortal threats to each other - so?

plaetton:
Without even thinking too much it, I would say animals should not have tights, for the simple reason that " legal , social and ethical" mean nothing whatsoever in the animal behavior or kingdom.

Going as far would greatly undermine and distort the great importance of animals in our food chain.

Logically, to say that animals deserve our definition of legal rights would be tantamount to saying that we should also hold animals accountable according to our legal, social and ethical norms.

What animals deserve is more compassion. We should not kill animals for sport. We should be careful and considerate when we encroach upon their habitats.

johnydon22:
when ever you enter 042 hit me up

KingEbukasBlog:
cc : winner01 , naijadeyhere , 4evergod ,felixomor , Strawman

I told you guys that these atheists just regurgitate what they see on their websites . And these are two different websites

And PastorAIO and sonOfLuc1fer say I'm the idiotic one ? . hehehe

KingEbukasBlog:
Garden egg

sonofluc1fer:
Oh. You misunderstand me. I only doubt stories which I believe might have an element of truth to.them, probably just exaggerated. Death and resurrection is pure fiction.



Your beliefs. A sad one, I must say. I love a free life. No hell. No heaven..I will die and.go back to my ancestors.

quote author=Joshthefirst post=48967600]
I am the resurrection and the life, he that believes on me will not die, but has passed from death to life.

He died. All his apostles died too. Jesus was just a mad man you people take too serious. There's life outside Jesus. You can choose to remain trapped in the promises of a dead Jew. I can't help you.

sonofluc1fer:
Why green?

wiegraf:
Are you saying we'll never create AI?

wiegraf:
Yes, and I've heard of quantum eraser one as well.

sonofluc1fer:
Who tell you? You only reached the limit of your reasoning. God's higher reasoning might actually prove He has a father.

sonofluc1fer:
I don't doubt his death and resurrection. I only doubt the reason for his death and resurrection. A carpenter's son who was slaughtered in faraway Israel for claiming to be God didn't die for me. His stupidity killed him. How e use concern me na wetin I no understand.

Oh yeah, my ancestors were enslaved by his followers.

hahn:
This is a new one o. What is the origin of God?

KingEbukasBlog:
And they don't disappoint

Longest time !!! Hope you are good .

sonofluc1fer:
How can you follow a dead man you never met? You follow doctrines, which are made by your churches. Keep.lying and deceiving yourself that you follow Christ.. while Kingebukasblog worships at Chosen this Sunday.

KingEbukasBlog:
For the umpteen time , you don't make any sense when you dwell on religion as your reason for your claim that God does not exist . Learn to think outside the usual mumbo jumbo on every atheist site .

winner01:
Is there any proof of this Nonsense?

hahn:
Which god are we talking about here?

sonofluc1fer:
Exactly, you see how silly the reasoning is. It's like saying Joshthefirst is a disease, cos he spends time curing them

MrAnony1:
Oh it went well actually.

The next meetup happens to be tomorrow evening incidentally. Topic is "Is It Ethical To Genetically Modify Our Children?"

It will be nice to have you around if you can make it.

MrAnony1:
Hi everyone,

It's been ages. Sadly these days I hardly have the time to show up on NL. Anyways, since my days of being active on NL, I've moved back to Nigeria and I now live in Enugu.

I'm looking to link up with Nairalanders on this Religion forum who are in Enugu and who would love to hang out and discuss a little theology/philosophy.

If this is you, let me know on this thread and we can arrange a meet-up.

Cheers y'all.

sonofluc1fer:

Back in the country, PH to be exact.