₦airaland Forum

Logicbwoy:
See the liar?

The british came since the 16th century but only brought education in the 19th century.....over 200 years before the first school in Nigeria was built.

So what were your missionaries doing before 1859 (since the 16th century?)?

religiously brainwashing our people no doubt.

plaetton:
I always say that a god is as good or bizarre as the quality of the mind that creates it.

I mean, examine carefully the god of this OP, the god of Joshthefirst, the god of kingebukasblog, and then you gain insight into the psyches of these three people, just for example.

I see you still move about bad mouthing those who frustrate your militant agenda, like a petulant child.

plaetton:
Only a very dishonest person would make that kind of statement.

Missionaries are colonialists.

What would a colonialists do without first colonising the minds of natives with their philosophy or religion ?.

Missionary work is part and parcel of colonization.

Selective dishonesty. Please contact me when you come up with a better argument.

If the mission work of spreading the gospel and bringing in western medicine and education and abolishing slavery and barbaric practices is defined as colonialism by you in your militant anti-religious prejudice then your case is even worse than I thought.

johnydon22:
Cognitive dissonance is something i see you are quite good at, always going in circles and arguing off point when stumped.

Your argument was rubbished here.



But you had to stick to your gun shamelessly going over some meaningless babbles.

It is a known fact that "the flag comes with the cross and the moon and star sign follows arabic (islamic) propagation.

Bishop Desmond tutu even testified to this in his famous quote "When the missionaries came to Africa, we had the land and they had the bible. they taught us how to pray with our eyes closed when we opened them, they had the land and we had the bible"

Chinua Achebe painted a clear picture of how the cross led the flag and the flag nurtured the cross in the conquest of the African society.

Civilization is a consistent and progressing thing and not a mark of colonial outreach.

It can be propagated by trade and commerce relationships, and inter-tribal and communal relationships.

Nobody needs to colonize the other for civilization to encroach.

Fela once said.

"Africans think they are independent but still under colonial rule in terms of religious subordination"

An act of Stockholm syndrome, worshipping the very hand that whipped you and carried you off you land..

Can you read? When did I credit civilization to colonial outreach? It seems your indoctrinated hatred has made you to read things I did not say. I'm not surprised.

Many of the missionaries that came to Africa came with the aim of spreading the gospel and introducing education and medicine. Effectively bring in civilization.

Colonialism brought in people with ulterior motives, who were only interested in taking the land.

Look at this preferably blind guy, if you were born a twin in calabar before Slessor abolished the killing of twins you wouldn't be here shouting nonsense and leaning to an eediotic extreme of insulting all missionary work because of hatred for religion.

Barbarism was fought against and education and medicine was introduced, and because of preceding colonialism you want to paint the good of missions in a bad light.

That some forsook the teachings of the bible in favor of subjugation of Africans because of the colonial government trinkets doesn't invalidate the countless lives that were saved by those who built schools and clinics and brought in medicine and education.
Nonsense.



Lol. What if you were born in the soviet republic during the anti-religious era? When the Marxist-Leninist government murdered, tortured and humiliated millions of people and stole children away from their parents in their quest to eliminate religion? How are you different from insane Marxists? Do you know they wanted to take over the world?

They clearly used their reverence for atheism to plunder and ravage and exploit families and peoples, no be so?

Logicbwoy:
Many missionaries were also colonialists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_colonialism


Islam followed wherever Arabs conquered
Christianity followed wherever Europeans conquered



Had Arabs come to the south of Nigeria, you would be claiming that islam is the one true religion

Tell that to the indigenous communities that missionaries gave medicine and education to. Mtchew.

The missionaries came first to preach the gospel, Mary slessor came and abolished the killing of twins in calabar. Missionaries came before the colonialists and their cultural domination.

And by your logic if I was born in stalins regime I would be spouting the victories of an atheist state.

virginboy1:
If the Chinese had colonised Nigeria just the way the Europeans did. People like you would have becomed Buddhist and claim that it is the best religion.

Mind you I go to Church but just being realistic here.

missionaries, and not colonialists brought Christianity to many shores. Check your history.

Missionaries are in china right now, and many other places, spreading the light of the gospel irrespective of various nativities

Bump.

Excellent thread King. Hope many will be able to apply good information in rational thought and not allow hate to blind their reasoning

KingEbukasBlog:
Use your head . The enemies of God are people who are not obedient to his laws . If a Judge can put a criminal/law offender in prison what stops God from punishing Him too .

What stopped this so called enemy from obeying God in the first place

lol. Don't waste time on peeps like that.

Logicbwoy:
Rubbish.

God is the judge, jury and executioner. A policy, we all know as human beings, that leads to abuse.

Was God facing any natural disaster or exigent circumstances when he chose to flood the whole world and commit genocide?

God is almighty and all-knowing.

You, in your limitations, questioning his acts, does not just paint you as presumptuous, but also paints you as foolish.

And for the benefit of those truly interested, humanity was in danger of extinction from corruption and violence, that's why God flooded the earth.

He was tackling an outbreak of corruption, he used the flood to wipe out the initial danger, and used Israel as his sword to wipe out the danger of Canaan and amalek, etc.

It is foolish of you to attack based on records of scripture and reject rebuttals of your attack from the same scriptural records because you reject the bible. Idiocy.


And if you think I take most of your childish wailings seriously, news flash, I don't. You don't really have well-thought out arguments in your armour, and you make up for your ingenuity with your loudness and trolling.

The only time I do good to reply you is mostly for the benefit of other's doubts. Or when you infuriate me exceedingly, or during early days when I didnt know you well enough to realize you were mostly a loud mouthed troll with pathetic arguments and a myriad of memes to make up for your lack of thoughtful arguments.

plaetton:
The issue of from whence comes morality has extensively debated on this forum. We don't need new arguments for it. We should just revisit old arguments from several years back.

Josh and kingebukasblog, and perhaps yourself hold that Yahweh defines morality, as expressed vin the ten commandments and other parts of the Bible.

So, should we not hold Yahweh accountable to his own moral standards ?
That is my argument here., that Yahweh, even by his own benchmarks, did commit plenty of evil and immoral acts.

The issue of moral relativism is immaterial in my argument ,because, I am not the one on trial here.
Yahweh is.

The very fact that Josh and kingebukasblog feel compelled to defend, justify and exonerate Yahweh is evidence that they themselves find the allegations against Yahweh morally reprehensible and embarrassing.

We can talk about moral relativism in another thread.

If you think you can hold yhwh to moral standards or put him on trial then you certainly have to examine your way of thinking.

ValentineMary:
My grandfather prayed for a better Nigeria, my father prayed for a better Nigeria, Millions of christians pray daily for a better Nigeria and still there is no effect. Is it not time we got up from our lazy ass and began to work? I always tell people that no dead jew would come and zap Nigeria into bliss. Rather we would be waiting till we die.

No wonder Napoleon said that religion is opium for d masses because it makes them shut up about their problems in hope of a better life. That is just a mirage, the sooner we realise that earth is our only home and there is no heaven or hell, that God is a construct of d human mind, that religion was made to shut u up, then u would fight for ur right and freedom to sustain the country for urself and ur children.

It is obvious our country needs a recall of the educational sector also. Karl Marx, and not Napoleon, said religion is the opium of the people.

Interesting that people wrongly use that quote to support atheism and irreligion. Here's the quote in context.


Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

Lol. You do not even understand what Marx was trying to pass across in that statement.

It is obvious that one of the chief problems of this country is lack of education. This same lack of education makes ignorant people swallow up the hopelessness and misdirection of atheism thinking it is an answer. How unfortunate.

KingEbukasBlog:
Which other God And you boldly claim you understand Christianity . That's how you were asking me to make all sorts of proofs in UyiIredia 's Three Arguments for God's existence thread and later ran away when you couldn't answer my question . You and uncle plaetton are the same .

Lolol

KingEbukasBlog:
I have read worse excuses for exceptions in human evolution . Evolution has no goal or direction , they said . But they are already predicting outcomes of a process that has no goals or direction . When too much lies are told , its natural to fail to keep up .

My bloda wahala dey for plaettons head o.

plaetton:
I give you an E for effort in this post.

This is the a post that suggests you had some post- Sunday school schooling.
Study more. You may actually learn more.

Apparently, you are ignorant of the linkages and synchronicity between biological evolution and the social evolution of highly cognitive species such as humans.

At certain critical evolutionary thresholds, social evolution becomes the driving force for the survival of the species.

You can thank me later for the education.

Proof of this is humans of course, we are the only species that have this psyco-social selfless evolution working, and we are the only proof that psyco-social selfless evolution exists.

We obviously observed this evolution throughout the ages abi?

I thank you for your genius circular reasoning.

plaetton:
1. Confused or immoral( which is correct) , they swore by the morally schizophrenic Bible and Koran.
Is it any wonder that they are confused and immoral ?

2. At what age is someone called an old man in your village, Josh ?
I am in my 40s.
If a man in his 40s is an old man in your village, then the Yahweh must be really angry at your village folks.


3. Another meaningless babble.

I wonder by whom the atheistic and evolutionist stalin or hitler swore by. In their case the various atrocities they wrought are only viable results of their world views while in our case the various immoralities are violations.


And old man was only intended to spice my post like morally schizophrenic slowpoke spiced yours.

plaetton:
Humans are cognitive beings. Our cognitive abilities allows us controlled emotiond and empathy. If animals like elephants and monkeys can express sadness in the loss of their offsprings, then humans can also express same, but with the added attitude of hating and avoiding pain.

If we feel pain, we can also feel the pain of others.
We don't need any fxxing god to show us the meaning of pain and empathy.
It is from pain and empathy that humans, universally, evolve moral taboos.

When someone murders your child, you feel pain, and others close to you share that pain through empathy.
We actually have empathy neurons in brain cells.
Likewise, we also know that we cause pain to others when we murder their children.

Therefore, through empathy, humans of all eras, know that killing children causes pain, and therefore evil.

I know your are simply too daft to understand that I am simply trying to illustrate the evolution, both biological and social, of human morality.

lol. And you call me daft. Look at the daft nonsense you typed in your hatred of one you call imaginary. Very funny. I wonder how many millions of years of us killing each others offspring it took for us to evolve the pain and empathy associated with such.


And I wonder how many millions of years of social evolution it will take for evolution to finally weed out the selfishness that causes stealing and killing.

Maybe evolution will have to raise up another genocidal hitler to teach the selfish ones among us a lesson.

I believe you should learn what evolution and survival of the fittest entails so that you would realize in evolution there is only selfishness and no equality. only the strongest and most diabolical prevail in passing on the traits of supremacy from generation to generation.

Lol. Smh for these guys. Its only when it comes to human beings that evolution makes an exception for making good morals and fostering equality and selflessness. Daft.

plaetton:
Firstly, in Nigeria for good example, it has been Bible and Koran believing slowpoke, moral schizophrenics like yourself, that have been in charge and led us to where we are today .
If your thinks that unbelievers of stone age bullshytes are the problem, then sorry to say that your god is an iddiot.

But if you think your God is taking his time to EVOLVE Better people to run our affairs, then he is an evolutionist and not a creator as you morons like to pontificate.

Funny how the contradictions of your silly beliefs wrap around you like a spider's web.

No, it is confused immoral men that have led us to where we are as a country.

And foolish old men trying to blame God or religion for our problems will only render us on worse paths.

Maybe you need a science lesson as well as an English lesson to help you understand what evolution and creation and various terms are so that you don't fall deeper than you already have into the throes of confusion.

plaetton:
Commanding the murder of non- combative women, children, infants, and the sex slavery of female children is clearly evil, then and now

Good man.

Evil is always clear, irrespective of past or present human culture and collective depravity.


You're doing a very good preaching work for me on this thread. Whether you misrepresent or falsely accuse my God is a secondary matter to the serious truths against yourself you've been spewing for sometime now. I have hope that you will eventually come to knowledge of the truth.

Moral choices are always clear to us, and they have always been clear to our fore-fathers and ancestors.

This innate moral compass only points to a time transcendent moral lawgiver: Defined by the term God.

Your indirect acknowledgement of the existence and moral supremacy of God renders you a theist

plaetton:
I can't imagine the type of stupidity that allows YOU to tell me what I MEANT in MY OWN statement.

And I can't imagine the form of idiocy that moves you to type words that mean something in English language but mean another thing altogether in your head.

Its either you need to upgrade your language and communication skills or you're only trying to twist the statement to mean something else and exonerate yourself from your crucifixion.

virginboy1: This post supposed to enter frontage.

I support.


OAM4J, Lalasticlala abeg you fit move post from religion section wey go actually support mass thinking and pondering of nairalanders to front page?

Most of the religion section topics that make front page misrepresent the calibre of thinkers we have here.

plaetton:
1. Why not ?
I also attack the Toothfairy when inflation takes a bite off my $3.75 yearly stipends.

2- 3. God answer the prayers of Nigerians , not by gradual evolution of a progressive mindset, but doing what he did during creation; wave the magic wand , and, Abracadabra.
Prayers are about magic, miracles and supernatural intervention, not a slow gradual , chaotic and random processes and events. God doesn't do evolution.
Remember ?

4. Well, did God just figure out that are evil men in the world ?
Gosh, hasn't he been in this business for 4.7 billion yrs, or is it 6000 yrs ?
If God is just figuring out now that the evil nature of man is the problem, then we may have to wait another 4 billion yrs for a much needed correction.

God's abracadabra would involve having a lot of people, including your old self, disappear to a fiery place without hope of return. Better he takes time to raise better people for his good place, while affording his problem children a chance to change their hearts and mindsets also.

And when did I imply imply that God just figured out evil?

Reyginus:
Lolol. That's stretching. You don't take a line that far in rap else it loses its Flow. Nice words though except the arrangement. You mean something like this.

In Every Totalitarian state art is the oxygen/Mind and spirit ate, cart away the collagen/Free spirits in date outdate dated wee spirits/The spee wits you hate count days of kid biscuits

I type from the toilet my mines stink you smell it?/I might scratch this toy, let the swine stick bail it?/But I'm a prisoner of conscience my conscience conscious of conscience/I'm not a Hitler of jaundice my jaundice jaundiced jaundice. Lol. 8 bars.

Nice lines

plaetton:
Stuuuupidity and idiocy.

How many many many times does a person have to correct you before you take notice ?

What is this confession of self evident evil that you keep repeating like a zombie ?

Is this deliberate dishonesty or are you truly that daft.

I simply reminded you of the self-evident( meaning that it is unambiguously written in your scriptures) evils acts of Yahweh, your supposed moral giver.

What exactly would it take for you to understand this simple statement ?

Nonsense oga.

The bolded is a pathetic excuse and explanation of your self-destructive statement.

Evil according to you, is evident without proof or explanation. Simple. All your weak rigmarole only makes you look dishonest.

Why does it annoy you so much that you have failed? I suggest you accept the truth of what your very own statement implies and weep over a cold drink at how you single-handedly betrayed yourself

plaetton:
I was merely reminding Josh of the self-evident evi of Yahweh, that is , the clearly evident evil acts of Yahweh as recorded in the Bible.

lol. You're still doing an unfortunate work of trying to retract your mistaken confession of truth.

"Self-evident evil, clearly evident evil acts."

Smh. Do I need to define self-evidence to you.

It is quite amusing that in the end you were the one who made quick work of your own illogical relativist position. You and your folks are the strongest warriors against moral subjectivity. I couldn't have done a better work myself.

Cheerio.

thehomer:
Answer my own question in that post and I will answer your follow up question. Here's my question that for some reason you either didn't see or you avoided.

[size=16pt]How do you know rape and genocide are good ideas? Is it because your God commanded them?[/size]

Your question still remains invalid, both from your context of moral relativity, and from the fact that I have never supported rape and genocide, and neither has my God commanded them.

And it doesn't matter, your constant contradiction of your moral position and plaetton's confession of the self-evident nature of evil has pacified my argument.

Good work plaetton. Attack God and faith by taking advantage of the suffering of the people.

What handwork of God will pacify your hatred of religion?

What good will it be to tell you that God is moving at the root of the problem by changing the mindset of our youth against corruption, tribalism, violence, hatred?

For the good of those genuinely interested, Gods primary work is changing the hearts of people. You cannot have a new world, a new nation, without new men. Eradicate the problem of the evil human nature, and you save humanity's future.

sonOfLucifer:
Atiku, Obasanjo. We're led by hungry wolves. Seems 'corruption' is the new racism... The elites vs the rest of us.

I hope Saraki receives Justice for his actions. That's the only event that will assure me this current aso-occupiers are somewhat anti-corruption.

We need a structure that gives true power to the people, not one that grants even the powers of justice to current leaders.

Walahi I'm so pained by this panama corruption issue I feel like tearing the shameless thieves apart, especially the heartless Nigerian ones.

texanomaly:
wiegraf get alter ego sef?

cool.

thehomer:
Because they're simply harmful to the victims.

How do you know rape and genocide are good ideas? Is it because your God commanded them?

So any act that is harmful to others is unreasonable?

What about troops fighting terrorists? Isn't this harmful to the terrorist? Or is such an action unreasonable and evil too?

Kay17:
Do you endorse necessary evils? Like Jesus's sacrifice?

You do not understand the act of Jesus' sacrifice.

When he volunteered himself for us, he became guilty, and us, guiltless.

He that knew no sin became sin, that we may become the righteousness of God.

There was no necessary evil in the crucifixion

thehomer:
Not true. I know that rape and genocide are bad ideas. You think they are good ideas. Please show me the hypocrisy.

How do you know rape and genocide are bad ideas?