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Kay17:
I think morality requires self reflection. The golden rule works when a man ponders the consequences of his actions to others as well as theirs to him. And that man restrains himself from certain actions. Restraint imposed by self reflection is morality not free will or obedience.

different men have different actions deemed worthy of restraint.

PastorAIO:
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I take it that you realise that the woman who was seized was raped and that that is a totally different scenario from the woman who was seduced.

Did you read the link I posted?


Do good to read it.

sonOfLucifer:
KingEbukasblog, JOshthefirst.. is Truth Eternal? Can Truth Change?

Do you mean what I mean by truth?

PastorAIO:
That is an interesting word to put there. Relevant? Relevant to who? My personal standards are my personal standards.

My personal standards are significant and very relevant to me when I go about my day to day making MY choices in MY life.

What's your point when you say my moral standards are insignificant in the evolutionary scheme of things? Your moral standards have minimum significance in the evolutionary scheme of things too. And everybody else's included your biblical Yahweh. And not just your morality but your entire life!!

What do you want me to do, Kill myself because I don't have the power to make my personal standards law?

The small I can do, I'll do. But I can't kill myself.

Jolly good.

But don't come weeping when someone like hitler actually gets power and following to establish his extreme moral standards and dominate yours completely as a result of your dangerously hypocritical and foolish thinking.

cloudgoddess:
I genuinely don't think he's capable of processing ideas that deviate from his preconceived notions - which he's set on defending regardless of how ridiculous he makes himself out to be in the process. I've personally given up on engaging him, it's a dead end.

LoL.

I strongly suggest you run along back to your fairly land in the clouds and revise your homework so that you won't run back there with your cloudy tail between your legs when someone takes you up as usual. Mtchew.

UyiIredia:
Microbes never only existed at a point.



Your post here lacks substance. Gene duplication doesn't create new genetic information which is what is required.

The fact that she uses gene duplication as an example shows she didn't do her homework

thehomer:
Hey read her own words.



Looks like you're still confused. If you're confused that reasonable people think rape and murder of 6 month old babies is ambiguous, then you have deeper problems.



Keep predicting the future. I won't be surprised that you'll be wrong as usual.

The confused moral relativist doesn't even understand the irrelevant hypocrisy of his own words.

PastorAIO:
Yes, really.

Now tell me, what is the difference between Deuteronomy 22:28-29 you quoted where he seized the woman and Exodus 22:16-17 where he seduced the woman? What is the difference between seduction and seizing?

I advise you to hire an English teacher to explain to you the difference between those words and how they apply yo the definition of rape.

PastorAIO:
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The idea behind the question, I guess, is to suggest that everyone universally considers rape to be evil.

No. The idea, was to suggest to you that in your hopeless and depraved state of moral relativity you have no relevant standard to condemn anything, especially your personal standards, which are insignificant in the evolutionary scheme of things, unless you have power to make your personal standards law.

Logicbwoy:
Well, I think I'm going on hibernation. .

Good riddance.

Logicbwoy:
lol.....see how he shifts away from the problem in Nigerian healthcare?

Tomorrow, this guy will claim that he is an agent for positive change.

Only a clown would look at my open and honest comment to claim that I'm trolling. You sir, are not that important.

what the heck is wrong with you lb?

How should I address the problem? By painting It as hopeless and impossible like you?

You're wasting your time if you think you are an agent of positive change when all you do about the problem is generalize dangerously and insult my person on the internet.

Logicbwoy:
I clearly stated that there are good doctors in Nigeria who are nice to patients BUT THEY ARE FEW.

There is a huge problem in the Nigerian health sector where doctors and nurses treat patients aggressively without smiles. They do their work but they demean the patients as if the patient is troubling them. This all starts from their university training.

You as a doctor should even be speaking out more, rather than trying to use style to cover up. Or maybe you think I dont live in Nigeria.


Like I said- you never speak the truth to power.

I'm using style to cover up? I never denied the problem, you on the other hand, painted the situation as hopeless.


I believe now that Ishilove isn't around you're looking for someone new to troll on. You better pick someone else. Smh.

I've been on nairaland long enough to know that you seem to have a season of contention with one person or the other. From david to muskeeto to Seun to Ishilove.

PastorAIO:
No it wasn't! Rape meant that you got to keep the girl for ever.


If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, 29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.
Deuteronomy 22:28–29

Oh really?

Deut 22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:*n25.1
Deut 22:26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
Deut 22:27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.


Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

Exodus 22:16-17 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins."


The bolded talked about the same issue.

Note that throughout the Old Testament no rape victim is ever recorded as being forced to marry a rapist.

plaetton:
Nope. I never said that.
Stop the lying.

I said evil, referring to your God's genocidal tendencies, is self evident in his acts.
Self-evident meaning that it clearly illustrated in hour Bible, your belief system.

You fall over yourself in confusion as you try to stylishly retract your confessed truth.

You have again stated belief in a self-evident truth: Evil can be self evident by the nature of our actions

Here's another higher truth: Evil is ultimately judged by the motive of our actions.

Kay17:
Yet he orchestrated the death of an innocent man -- Jesus, which was unjust by his standards.

The death of Jesus wasn't an immoral event, it was God's righteous judgement on iniquity. The innocent man became the substitute of us all and became guilty of all sin, and was punished accordingly. And as he took upon himself our sin and God's wrath, we took upon ourselves his innocence and God's favor. Salvation

Kay17:
With what you have said, do you think all is permitted with God?

I think that God has chosen his character as a just judge.

toughangel:
God sent me to bring this tiding....

Tufanja and her troops are sent to the Nairaland prison for a considerable amount of time.

On Nairaland the lie prowls around like a roaring lion looking to devour the truth as a lie.

@sonoflucifer, reyginus, jackbizzle/logicbwoy, Joshthefirst, LoJ, etc

please give tufanja my regards.

We all had our share of languish in gaol in the nairaland prison. Some of us were not as lucky to have camaraderie in our time. (by some of us I mean me )

Kay17:
If the truth was that clear, we wouldn't be debating on NL..

For you the moral truth is what the bible says, for Socrates its reason, for Rousseau it's nature.

But the good news is your stand is an objective standard propped by God. Which leads my question: is God bound or restrained by morality?

Any moral action is a choice of God wrt his creation.

logoscope:
The implication is that Satan wins. 95% of man goes to hell. Where religion leads to eventually is either heaven or hell. If you were a lecturer and more than 50% fails your course that would be bad of you. Apparently it is so with a supposedly loving god. If it were false, it would mean that a supposedly truthful god is lying. By the way, where is heaven? (sky, outer space? HINT: Jesus ascended to heaven. To where?) Where is hell? e.t.c

I wonder where you get your figures from

Kay17:
Neither a subjective nor objective standard say much about moral content. They are just a formulaic statement on validity. Subjective says my morality is valid while yours is as well regardless of the difference. Whilst objective says mine is valid and yours isn't.

No, subjective is about mine and yours, while objective is about truth.

And truth is self-evident. When you see a boy being bullied because of his stature or colour, you know within yourself that it is wrong, you know that humans have worth and should be treated with dignity and respect irrespective of stature or colour, even the bully knows, but he ignores this truth and chooses to follow his own base, erroneous, subjective subscriptions.

plaetton:
Then Kindly post it here.

Here it is.

plaetton:
Oh gosh,
It's just hard to believe sometimes that actually discuss and debate with moral schizophrenics who would twist anything to justify self evident evil.

evil is self evident. according to you.

firestar:
Yes, it did.

cool. logicbwoy, hope you don see. not all is hopeless

logoscope:
The fact that your god exists and is the only true god has implications and bi-implications.

of course it does, but in the end its a show of spiritual power.

False practices of religion may be a problem, but the genuine is in the mix as well. And in the end, atheism is not a liberation. When taken seriously, it is simply a stripping of all the hope and purpose of humanity with an eerie silence left to the human grasp for meaning.

Seun:
What part of "report to moderator" are you too ***** to understand?

sisimose:
seun sharrap which kian report to moderator? even a blind man can see those posts from where ever abeg jor! 
Doh, Jor, Biko , Lahour wo wo , i take God Nairaland beg you  , dont be rude ah! my pant sef old pass you. Recognise oh!
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Muki, IIce, Cute-ass, Omo Eko lmao
the thing don tire person sef lmao. so una feel me? ah! thanks o jare! this Rokiat own don pass me, the thing pass obsession lol

Logicbwoy:
Does God really speak to you?

What does he sound like? British or Nigerian accent?

lol. God doesn't communicate the way I and you would. He is Spirit, and the author of communication itself.

When he speaks, he doesn't speak in one language or the other, but we hear him in the language we understand.

I thought you would ask how I know the God that speaks to me is authentic over other voices and gods. The reason is that I have a spiritual witness, apart from that. God confirms his word with power, and I have witnessed his power.


One more thing, I do not just communicate with God. But now that I know him, I'm part of his big picture. He has an agenda for the worlds, and his plans and purposes are being wrought by men around the globe.

Purist:
LOL! How often do we see the most caustic NL Christians open a new thread to "say sorry" ?? hmmmm, let's see. . .

- babyosisi in 2007: https://www.nairaland.com/50864/extending-handshake-babs-belloti

- Noetic15 in 2009: https://www.nairaland.com/338767/like-apologise

On both occasions, they went on to become even far more incendiary than they had ever been. babyosisi's anti-islamic threads post-2007 are especially legendary.

So will I give davidylan the benefit of the doubt? Not this time. WHY?

Here's WHY:

logoscope:
Hope for what? There is no hope. Life is meaningless. You create your own reality.

PS: Your signature says it all.

logoscope:
Hope for what? There is no hope. Life is meaningless. You create your own reality.

This is what atheism creates. Hopeless meaninglessness.
Hopeless meaninglessness, mind you, will apply to whatever opium of reality you create. Nothing can transcend the hopeless meaninglessness of life.


Thank God that's not true.
Life has intrinsic worth bro.
You still have hope, and you still look for purpose. because you still wake up and go to work every morning. And you're still infuriated when you hear about people being killed by boko haram in northern Nigeria.

Refuse to subscribe to dangerous thinking.

That said, I commend you. You are the most honest atheist I have encountered on this forum.

Kay17:
I don't think the Nazis supported subjective standard of morality, rather a naturalist morality proving their racial superiority against other races like Jews. Their naturalist morality was supposed objective otherwise it fell apart.

So what an objective standard entails can still differ depending on the respective perspectives.

?

How is this a logical outcome?

firestar:
Your experience is heartwarming.
I went to a private specialist hospital and was calm the whole time. A doctor's bedside manner is extremely important. I had to call our family doctor for a recommemdation and was glad I did. He gisted with me throughout the entire procedure and was professional. I went for a follow up sometime afterwards.

This happened in nigeria, abi?

Logicbwoy:
Bros, please, I have one question that I need to ask you.

How are you still a christian? Your profession should have affected you- I mean, many doctors are actually atheists or agnostics, or sometimes just not religious.


You must have some colleagues that have lost faith in christianity?

One more thing, its eventually all about worldview. One looks at the human body and sees evolution, I look at our anatomy and physiology and see design.

sonOfLucifer:
False hope is like a true Christian.. Easy to define... Hard to,ehn, find..

So where is your hope in life?