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Be patient and read this bible verse first abeg.

God's anger is revealed from heaven against all the sin and evil of the people whose evil ways prevent the truth from being known. God punishes them, because what can be known about God is plain to them, for God himself made it plain. Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all! They know God, but they do not give him the honour that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness.They say they are wise, but they are fools;
Romans 1:18-22 GNB
http://bible.com/296/rom.1.18-21.GNB


Here's something I read on Facebook

In a mother’s womb were two babies. One asked the other: “Do you believe in life after delivery?” The other replied, “Why, of course. There has to be something after delivery. Maybe we are here to prepare ourselves for what we will be later.”
“Nonsense” said the first. “There is no life after delivery. What kind of life would that be?”

The second said, “I don’t know, but there will be more light than here. Maybe we will walk with our legs and eat from our mouths. Maybe we will have other senses that we can’t understand now.”

The first replied, “That is absurd. Walking is impossible. And eating with our mouths? Ridiculous! The umbilical cord supplies nutrition and everything we need. But the umbilical cord is so short. Life after delivery is to be logically excluded.”

The second insisted, “Well I think there is something and maybe it’s different than it is here. Maybe we won’t need this physical cord anymore.”

The first replied, “Nonsense. And moreover if there is life, then why has no one has ever come back from there? Delivery is the end of life, and in the after-delivery there is nothing but darkness and silence and oblivion. It takes us nowhere.”

“Well, I don’t know,” said the second, “but certainly we will meet Mother and she will take care of us.”

The first replied “Mother? You actually believe in Mother? That’s laughable. If Mother exists then where is She now?”

The second said, “She is all around us. We are surrounded by her. We are of Her. It is in Her that we live. Without Her this world would not and could not exist.”

Said the first: “Well I don’t see Her, so it is only logical that She doesn’t exist.”

To which the second replied, “Sometimes, when you’re in silence and you focus and you really listen, you can perceive Her presence, and you can hear Her loving voice, calling down from above.” - Útmutató a Léleknek

Then read the same scripture again:



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For God's [holy] wrath and indignation are revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who in their wickedness repress and hinder the truth and make it inoperative. For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God [Himself] has shown it to them. For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks). So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification], [Ps. 19: 1-4.] Because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves]. Romans 1:18-22 AMP
http://bible.com/8/rom.1.18-21.AMP
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How come the scripture addresses you? How come this excerpt from a book written thousands of years completely analyses and puts forth your problem?

Think about it.

MTs: wiegraf, jackbizzle, davien, Muskeeto, all of you who fight truth.

SirWere:
They are just few of the questions one has to ask an omnipotent being. That is, if such a deity exists.

I could answer your questions, but I don't have the time right now. And I worry you may not even be interested in the answers

UyiIredia:
I'm warning not worrying cause when you roast I'll come to laugh at you as the Bible says.

Uyi. You sound a bit haywire. Hope all is well? Or maybe you're putting up a joke? A facade?

Ishilove:
I knew you wouldn't have time for those yeye and fruitless arguments once you get in deep into your studies

Lol. Yeah. How have you been?

SirWere:
The dictionary defines faith as :
1. complete trust or confidence in someone
or something.
2. strong belief in the doctrines of a religion,
based on spiritual conviction rather than
proof..

Now you ask him if he has ever seen Mars, your brain, and an atom. Well I tell you, he can go see it anytime, anyday. Perhaps you mistake reason for faith.

The dictionary's definition of faith is not my definition. I follow the Bible's definition of faith. And I have put it up. If you cannot contend with that definition, fine.

I would think that you should leave it to men of faith to define faith itself.


And if I were to act all smarty pants like you've been acting in your puerile effort to undermine dolphinheart, I would educate you on how people cannot just go see atoms anytime, any day, as our technology cannot see their small hypothesized structure yet. Go and utter false statements no more.

HardMirror:
Yes referals will help. Thanks for you contributions so far.
And do you have other evidences besides the bible?

Luke 16:19-31 gives a clear and concise representation of events occurring after death. You can ask questions after your perusal if you're interested.

There are many evidences and stories, but the bible presents the readily available truth.

Ishilove:
Yeah I was. I resigned since mid-last year

Kindly ignore what that troll has to say. He is forever seeking ways to irritate everyone around him so I've learnt to ignore him completely because he isn't worth the time and effort. If he crosses the line, he will be reported and banned.

How's studies? You've been quite scarce

Lol.

I lost a huge chunk of interest, I still get on to look around and talk here and there.


Studies are fine. I'm going into clinics now. Ward rounds and postings. Hectic.

JackBizzle:
With Ishilove? She was not a good mod if even if we remove the unnecessary drama from her record.


Anyway, I remember my first fallout with ishilove for derailing this chatbox. You were Chibubuem and you were trolling me while I complained. So you could be biased on this.

Maybe. We're all biased towards our friends and loved ones.

onetrack:
That is not faith, I know I have a brain because all humans who have been studied have been shown to have one in order to function. This is perfectly good evidence that I must also have one.

I certainly believe that I will go to sleep when I go to bed, because I have plenty of evidence from past experience. This is not faith.

Now, if I said I could fly by flapping my arms, then that would be faith, because people cannot fly like that and so I have no evidence to suggest otherwise.

It seems you have a problem with the definition of faith. Faith is not a lack of evidence. Someone somewhere has convinced you that faith involves an unreasonable lack of evidence of phenomena. That is not the case.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen. Have you ever seen your brain? Have you ever seen oxygen? An atom? Mars?

You have faith in plenty of things my friend. Faith is what enables us to forge through every challenge and even life itself.

You analogy of faith, and what my faith implies is insulting and offensive to me.

JackBizzle:
It was surprising. A well known e-agbero became a supermod. I saw the end before it happened- she abused her power. As usual, she protected her friends and banned her e-enemies. When she was first appointed, she was a serial copy copy. I remember complaints to Seun as she moved threads that had earlier, original versions to the front page. Also, a lot of woman-bashing threads were frontpaged during her regime.

You dont have to believe me. She has no mouth on the romance section . They always remind her that she cant ban them for opposing her anymore. #Butthurt of the soul

Lol. Lb. Ishilove is my friend, I'm sure there was a good explanation for her fallout with seun. Mind you, this is not the first time someone has had a fallout with him before. I think I remember deepsight was offended by him and eventually became inactive because of it.

onetrack:
And I have zero faith so naturally I require evidence for claims.

No. You do have faith. Everyone has faith. You believe there's an organ called a brain in your cranial cavity, you believe that when you go to bed you'll fall asleep, you believe you won't suddenly lose fine motor function in your fingers when you eventually reply this post.

It's faith in God that you lack. And faith in God is something that requires more than empirical evidence to acquire, because the magnanimity of God's presence has more to do with supernatural than with empirical.

Ishilove:
Josh darling! How have you been? It's been ages

oh. Didn't see this. Lol. It's really been ages. I heard some talk of you being a supermorderator before

Ishilove:
It will be an absolute pleasure, dear Tufanja. I wouldn't miss it for the world

Hey Ishi.

JackBizzle:
Yess

Lol. I thought you had abandoned this place. Wassup abeg? Where is everyone?

HardMirror:
You seem so sure. Can you pls educate us here. Seems you are privy to some information that could help us here.

I am privy to the truth. You may not be privy to it, or you may be privy to it, and are denying it and fighting against it. The information is in the bible. Do good to read it. If you need any specific referrals, say so.

onetrack:
Any empirical evidence of this?

How will you expect empirical evidence of something not physical?

I'd not be so strong in faith if I only had empirical evidence of God's power and salvation.

onetrack:
I am an atheist, but an agnostic one. I believe that this life is all there is, but I cannot say for sure that this is true, since there is no real evidence one way or the other.

People, I think, created the idea of life after death to avoid having to deal with the idea that death is final.

Ultimately, we are made of star dust, and the molecules that make up our bodies were present in the Big Bang, so in a sense we are eternal.

?

What for Pete's sake is the last paragraph?


BTW, death isn't final, you, the real you, are not your body. You're only living in your body. You see, through your eyes, and use your physical body to perceive things and interact with matters in the physical world.

You're an atheist, so when you die, you go to hell, where there will be weeping, and gnashing of teeth.


(I don't believe in atheists BTW. God doesn't believe in them too.)

JackBizzle:
Quoting and siding with someone that insulted my mother?

I see nothing but trolls.

LB? Is that you?

wirinet:
Gravity is not energy, so it can not be quantized. Gravity as postulated by Einstein's Law of General Relativity is a distortion in the fabric of space-time.

Gravity is indeed postulated and explained as a distortion of space time wrt relativistic mechanics. Relativistic mechanics has actually held water and proven true to all our extents and experiments with the light bending and time lagging, so we can basically rely somewhat on its physical principles.

johnydon22:
Please sir Gravitons are hypothetical and are predicted to be in quantum levels...

That long post you put up before this one was mostly hypothetical too. Just pointing it out.

sonOfLucifer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI
Vooks, KingEbukasblog, Joshthefirst wiegraf plaetton jayriginal johnnydon22

Just seeing this now. Pretty scary man.

But I will eventually blow up in faces. People are smarter these days. And more dangerous when pushed to the edge. Social engineering will not be successful much when we have people sharing a lot of information. Thank God for videos like this.

lomaxx:
Earlier this week, one of my articles was published in the Daily Sun Newspaper and many online blogs. I hope you find the read interesting and insightful.


http://www.sunnewsonline.com/new/healthcare-financing-and-the-promised-change/

Great article lomaxx. And just what I needed to read too, I was planning to look up on the Singaporean health care structure today. Glad to know others are checking on how to improve health care financing and subsistent health care provision too.

warriboy21:
hey guz. my name is macutee..we had afrcian diasporan night in my school..valparaiso university..and was invited to perform. i have been singing in my uniben days before coming over ere in the US...what i did ,they liked it..and now im having more giggs..i just decided to share dis video with my felow nairalanders....i hope u like it too.

lalasticlala farano rockstation viviangist1 airmark abeg help my career God bless you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqe67RsqTcY

Nice voice you got there. I take it you're mostly a vocalist. I'm a guitarist.

timonski:
And how did you arrive at this conclusion? Plz, be patient with me.

The cycles, the balance of carefully sustained energies and forces, scientific study, and just quiet observation, among other things.

hahn:
Quote where I insulted bubu

sorry, it was your friend that insulted him, me, and other people who believe in God.

hahn:
It has a builder alright but it is NOT your god.

Simple

It has a builder, that's the chief point. Creation has a creator, we call this creator God. Whether or not he is MY God, is an issue for another day.

hahn:
What's up with you and insults?

This isn't me insulting you. It's me being very annoyed that you would gang up and insult someone who has made very valid points in the face of your own misunderstanding and your self-indicting premises.

hahn:
Ok. So, was I supposed to say the painting magically appeared?




What's up with you and insults?

Anyways, you didn't get it either. I said my uncle did it and I have never seem him before. Just like you say god did it but have never seen it before

10 other people agree that my uncle did it but have different descriptions of him. Just like there are different religions with different versions of god even though no one has seen it.

Conclusion: None of us know who did it. We agree that my uncle did it but we end up describing the creator and creation in different ways because it's all a figment of our imagination. And because we don't know who did it we have decided to come up with the "his uncle did it" answer which is infact a non answer.

Just like when you say "god did it". It doesn't mean that's true but that's the only excuse you can come up with to excuse your ignorance. It's a non answer. Simple

No. Whether we see or know the uncle or not is not the point you agreed to. What you agreed to is that someone did it. Simple. You may not know him, and you may not have seen him, but its obvious someone did it, because as you said, it did not magically appear out of nowhere(your very words are driving the point home even more. I advice you to calm down and choose your words carefully if you want to help your atheistic position and not insult it)

The universe did not magically appear out of nowhere, just as something as base and common as a painting can't magically appear from nowhere.
Our complex inhabitable and even beautiful cosmos has a builder.

timonski:
oh yes! A painter exists for every painting. But how does this show that the universe was designed?

I was going by the very analogy he gave. It's implications are obvious.

Aside his self-crucifying analogy, The universe is a work of sustainined force, knowledge, energy and art. It implies a maker. It implies ITS maker.

Teempakguy:
chapter and verses please?

the reference in isaiah is ridiculous. for several reasons.

1. the verse clearly implies that whoever it was they were talking about came about AFTER the creation stories. when there were many kingdoms and people. in verse 12, in the last line, it says, you who once laid low the nation.

2. the verse was NOT talking about satan. it was talking about the king of babylon. it is supposed to be a taunt that the israelites were supposed to use against the king of babylon when "the lord" must have defeated him. check verse 3 and keep reading till you finish the chapter (chapter 14) and come and show me where isaiah said he was talking about satan.

the reference in job is not the satan in the new testament. he is an angel of the lord in the that book. a son of God in fact.

seriously, don't you guys ever read your bibles?

It is seriously unfortunate when you go about spouting in ignorance. You should be too ashamed to show yourself on this thread after he showed you the scriptural references clearly but its obvious you're not.

Keep in mind that Satan is plainly referred to as the accuser in the bible.