I decided not to make any major comments on your post because I do not want to be drawn into winding arguments, and Ishilove had already created an alibi by saying I was engaging in semantic word play to deceive or to confuse people, but I realize that if I refuse to say anything I will inadvertently be promoting ignorance of the Bible, this runs against my purpose here, which is to open as many eyes as YAH permits. And please for the records, don’t you ever accuse me of heresy again, don’t you ever! Because you are just plain ignorant!
[b]I used the etymology of the word ‘worship’ to explain what worship means, worship means the acknowledgement of worth, a woman acknowledges the worth of the man God has placed over her as her husband and her crown by submitting to him, this act of obedience to God’s commandment is her worship and adulation and veneration of God. You pay obeisance or you worship God by obeying his commandments. You cannot worship God abstractly, you cannot worship what you cannot see, you cannot venerate what is unseen, in Deuteronomy, Moses told Israel not to bow down or scrape to idols because it was a most foolish thing to do, how do you as a human being bow to lifeless wood and stone and rocks? Israel was commanded to worship the unseen God by carefully obeying His commandments, to love God and to love one’s neighbours, and this by showing love and mercy to your fellow human beings, when you show love and kindness and mercy to your fellow human beings, you are venerating God, this is worship. You got it completely wrong and twisted because you did not understand the meaning of worship, and you do not need to gather in hundreds in order to hold formalized worship services, 2 or 3 people and God is in their midst. The words that I speak to you they are spirit and they are life, to obey God’s commandments is to live in truth and in spirit, to obey God, to submit to him is your worship[/b]
[b] A Man represents authority over a woman, I have said severally that the marriage between a man and a woman is the smallest microcosm of the relationship between God and Man. Christ redeemed both the man and the woman does not destroy the order and hierarchy of the world, Christ is over His church as the man is over His wife. A good man will take care of his wife like his own body, he has her back 25 hours out of 24 hours every day and 8 days out of 7 days, the woman submits to her God fearing husband because he is a man that is divinely directed, if she does not submit, she will err and she will be punished. God has the back of a God fearing man 8 days out of 7 days of the week. Love submits, but submission is not expressly demanded from the man, if finally he has to use the veto power in the home, his woman must submit to him. Of course the woman may be better educated and/or have a bigger worldview than her husband, a wise man recognizes this fact and will see reason with his wife and will not try to bludgeon his wife to submission to his own ultimate stupidity and foolishness. A man sins and a woman sins, quite right, but we are talking about a marriage relationship here, in marriage, the man is a god to his wife, he will provide her spiritual guidance and direction and the woman must submit to it because it is through her husband that she will connect to God, just as the church connects to God via Christ, if she sees God in her pastor rather than in her husband then something is fundamentally wrong with that marriage, a woman must see God through her husband not through her pastor.[/b]
A woman’s offering to God must be through her husband not through her pastor, and that offering can be used for whatever purpose. My position is informed by women who make donations to churches and pastors, because they see God in pastor rather than in their husbands, I stated clearly that if she is looking for something, she should give those offerings to God not through pastor but through her husband. A wife’s offering through her God fearing husband is a sacrifice to God and is as good as presenting it to God Himself, the man is at liberty to dispense it as he wills, of course a wise husband well informed of his wife’s reasons will dispense wisely. And church is not necessarily only a place or gathering for formalized worship, if the husband and wife are one person, then with another person joining them, you have a church already.
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This is a load of ignorant bullshit. Adam was a god to Eve in the sense that Adam got the law from God and it was his duty to teach the law to his wife Eve. Adam and Eve is not the story of a single man and woman but the story of Israel and her fall allegorically presented in Genesis, the fall (and redemption) of Israel recorded from the beginning, in the nature of God, declaring the end from the beginning. When Adam and Eve fell, they both became naked, Adam lost God and automatically Eve lost God too, powerful Adam who controlled the world became powerless, he became ordinary, the serpent to whom they lost power became their husband, the husband of Adam and Eve. And Adam did not rule animals: birds of the air, beasts of the field, creeping things, cattle, are terms used to describe the beastly nature of the men of those times who did not have the law of God as their operating software, Adam was the first man to discover the law of God which is symbolically presented as the creation of man or God breath into man and man became a living being or do you not know that the Word of God is the Spirit of God? Before the law, only beasts existed, the law of God inside Adam is what made him a living being, this Word of God inside Adam made him a living soul. And yes originally, Adam did not rule over Eve, you do not rule over the one you love, rather he provided guidance and direction and headship to her, but when they both fell, Adam lost God and Eve without spiritual support devolved, they both were naked (unprotected by God) and they both became wife to the serpent, to be ruled over! Adam is the allegorical name for the rulers (or gates) of Israel, Eve is the allegorical name of the masses of ancient Israelites.[/b]
[b]There are leaders Adam and there are followers Eve, you are just messing up the Word, what is the business of Mathew 20 here? We are talking about marriage where God has established a hierarchical relationship and you are talking about Jesus and his disciples, are both scenarios related? Was Jesus Illustrating marriage? Have you forgotten that Paul said he does not suffer a woman to usurp authority over a man in the congregation 1 Tim 2:12? And just so you know, an addendum information, the gospel of Jesus Christ as told by Mathew Mark Luke and John is a condensed story, the character of Jesus Christ in those stories represented as one man is actually a number of men, Jesus Christ is not one person, Jesus Christ is 144,000 persons! And everything in the gospels is presented allegorically, symbolically and in illustrations. He gave the Holy Ghost to men and women, did he destroy the hierarchy in marriage? You are quoting absent coherence, linking unrelated stories and making a mess off the Bible![/b]
Continue to pin unrelated stories together, are you sure your purpose here is not to deceive people like Ishilove? Come unto me all ye that labour… is marriage the subject here? Anybody can come to Christ but in a marriage, a married woman will access Christ via her husband just as the Church accesses God via Christ, abi don’t you pray in Jesus name in your church? For women who do not have husbands, there is always a male authority she can defer to, her father is there, and then her pastor can be there too, but for a woman who is married, her husband will perform that duty. This is why God places a lot of premium on widows because He understands the difficulty they face absent their heads
Exodus 22:22-24 Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child. 23 If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry; 24 And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.
I question your purpose fundamentally on this thread, and don't you ever accuse me of heresy again, ever!
Ever!
Abeg the important thing I want to point out is that the story of Adam and Eve is the historical fact of the origins of the human race. It is not an allegory, and you are really misinterpreting a lot of stuff. Thank you.
davien: Yes, it does stem from a belief that the universe can be understood by a set of naturalistic laws which appear "ordered", but ever since discoveries about the microscopic world and quantum physics(and many more observations) it's now common to see and demonstrate that random physical interactions can be responsible for ordered aspects of the things observed. . . .
I say this is not true.
Even quantum physics is studied and being studied, described and being described by its own set of principles and laws.
It is not common in any way, and it has never been demonstrated that random physical interactions are responsible for order in anything. Only the opposite has been demonstrated, and only the opposite is the reason we approach things in an empirical way, because we expect order. I'm tempted to call you an I'd.iot.
Be patient and read this bible verse first abeg. God's anger is revealed from heaven against all the sin and evil of the people whose evil ways prevent the truth from being known. God punishes them, because what can be known about God is plain to them, for God himself made it plain. Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all! They know God, but they do not give him the honour that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness.They say they are wise, but they are fools; Romans 1:18-22 GNB http://bible.com/296/rom.1.18-21.GNB
Here's something I read on Facebook
In a mother’s womb were two babies. One asked the other: “Do you believe in life after delivery?” The other replied, “Why, of course. There has to be something after delivery. Maybe we are here to prepare ourselves for what we will be later.” “Nonsense” said the first. “There is no life after delivery. What kind of life would that be?”
The second said, “I don’t know, but there will be more light than here. Maybe we will walk with our legs and eat from our mouths. Maybe we will have other senses that we can’t understand now.”
The first replied, “That is absurd. Walking is impossible. And eating with our mouths? Ridiculous! The umbilical cord supplies nutrition and everything we need. But the umbilical cord is so short. Life after delivery is to be logically excluded.”
The second insisted, “Well I think there is something and maybe it’s different than it is here. Maybe we won’t need this physical cord anymore.”
The first replied, “Nonsense. And moreover if there is life, then why has no one has ever come back from there? Delivery is the end of life, and in the after-delivery there is nothing but darkness and silence and oblivion. It takes us nowhere.”
“Well, I don’t know,” said the second, “but certainly we will meet Mother and she will take care of us.”
The first replied “Mother? You actually believe in Mother? That’s laughable. If Mother exists then where is She now?”
The second said, “She is all around us. We are surrounded by her. We are of Her. It is in Her that we live. Without Her this world would not and could not exist.”
Said the first: “Well I don’t see Her, so it is only logical that She doesn’t exist.”
To which the second replied, “Sometimes, when you’re in silence and you focus and you really listen, you can perceive Her presence, and you can hear Her loving voice, calling down from above.” - Útmutató a Léleknek
Then read the same scripture again:
[b] For God's [holy] wrath and indignation are revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who in their wickedness repress and hinder the truth and make it inoperative. For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God [Himself] has shown it to them. For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks). So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification], [Ps. 19: 1-4.] Because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves]. Romans 1:18-22 AMP http://bible.com/8/rom.1.18-21.AMP [/b]
How come the scripture addresses you? How come this excerpt from a book written thousands of years completely analyses and puts forth your problem?
Think about it.
MTs: wiegraf, jackbizzle, davien, Muskeeto, all of you who fight truth.
SirWere: The dictionary defines faith as : 1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something. 2. strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof..
Now you ask him if he has ever seen Mars, your brain, and an atom. Well I tell you, he can go see it anytime, anyday. Perhaps you mistake reason for faith.
The dictionary's definition of faith is not my definition. I follow the Bible's definition of faith. And I have put it up. If you cannot contend with that definition, fine.
I would think that you should leave it to men of faith to define faith itself.
And if I were to act all smarty pants like you've been acting in your puerile effort to undermine dolphinheart, I would educate you on how people cannot just go see atoms anytime, any day, as our technology cannot see their small hypothesized structure yet. Go and utter false statements no more.
Ishilove: Yeah I was. I resigned since mid-last year
Kindly ignore what that troll has to say. He is forever seeking ways to irritate everyone around him so I've learnt to ignore him completely because he isn't worth the time and effort. If he crosses the line, he will be reported and banned.
How's studies? You've been quite scarce
Lol.
I lost a huge chunk of interest, I still get on to look around and talk here and there.
Studies are fine. I'm going into clinics now. Ward rounds and postings. Hectic.
JackBizzle: With Ishilove? She was not a good mod if even if we remove the unnecessary drama from her record.
Anyway, I remember my first fallout with ishilove for derailing this chatbox. You were Chibubuem and you were trolling me while I complained. So you could be biased on this.
Maybe. We're all biased towards our friends and loved ones.
onetrack: That is not faith, I know I have a brain because all humans who have been studied have been shown to have one in order to function. This is perfectly good evidence that I must also have one.
I certainly believe that I will go to sleep when I go to bed, because I have plenty of evidence from past experience. This is not faith.
Now, if I said I could fly by flapping my arms, then that would be faith, because people cannot fly like that and so I have no evidence to suggest otherwise.
It seems you have a problem with the definition of faith. Faith is not a lack of evidence. Someone somewhere has convinced you that faith involves an unreasonable lack of evidence of phenomena. That is not the case.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen. Have you ever seen your brain? Have you ever seen oxygen? An atom? Mars?
You have faith in plenty of things my friend. Faith is what enables us to forge through every challenge and even life itself.
You analogy of faith, and what my faith implies is insulting and offensive to me.
JackBizzle: It was surprising. A well known e-agbero became a supermod. I saw the end before it happened- she abused her power. As usual, she protected her friends and banned her e-enemies. When she was first appointed, she was a serial copy copy. I remember complaints to Seun as she moved threads that had earlier, original versions to the front page. Also, a lot of woman-bashing threads were frontpaged during her regime.
You dont have to believe me. She has no mouth on the romance section . They always remind her that she cant ban them for opposing her anymore. #Butthurt of the soul
Lol. Lb. Ishilove is my friend, I'm sure there was a good explanation for her fallout with seun. Mind you, this is not the first time someone has had a fallout with him before. I think I remember deepsight was offended by him and eventually became inactive because of it.
onetrack: And I have zero faith so naturally I require evidence for claims.
No. You do have faith. Everyone has faith. You believe there's an organ called a brain in your cranial cavity, you believe that when you go to bed you'll fall asleep, you believe you won't suddenly lose fine motor function in your fingers when you eventually reply this post.
It's faith in God that you lack. And faith in God is something that requires more than empirical evidence to acquire, because the magnanimity of God's presence has more to do with supernatural than with empirical.
HardMirror: You seem so sure. Can you pls educate us here. Seems you are privy to some information that could help us here.
I am privy to the truth. You may not be privy to it, or you may be privy to it, and are denying it and fighting against it. The information is in the bible. Do good to read it. If you need any specific referrals, say so.
onetrack: I am an atheist, but an agnostic one. I believe that this life is all there is, but I cannot say for sure that this is true, since there is no real evidence one way or the other.
People, I think, created the idea of life after death to avoid having to deal with the idea that death is final.
Ultimately, we are made of star dust, and the molecules that make up our bodies were present in the Big Bang, so in a sense we are eternal.
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What for Pete's sake is the last paragraph?
BTW, death isn't final, you, the real you, are not your body. You're only living in your body. You see, through your eyes, and use your physical body to perceive things and interact with matters in the physical world.
wirinet: Gravity is not energy, so it can not be quantized. Gravity as postulated by Einstein's Law of General Relativity is a distortion in the fabric of space-time.
Gravity is indeed postulated and explained as a distortion of space time wrt relativistic mechanics. Relativistic mechanics has actually held water and proven true to all our extents and experiments with the light bending and time lagging, so we can basically rely somewhat on its physical principles.
But I will eventually blow up in faces. People are smarter these days. And more dangerous when pushed to the edge. Social engineering will not be successful much when we have people sharing a lot of information. Thank God for videos like this.
lomaxx: Earlier this week, one of my articles was published in the Daily Sun Newspaper and many online blogs. I hope you find the read interesting and insightful.
Great article lomaxx. And just what I needed to read too, I was planning to look up on the Singaporean health care structure today. Glad to know others are checking on how to improve health care financing and subsistent health care provision too.
warriboy21: hey guz. my name is macutee..we had afrcian diasporan night in my school..valparaiso university..and was invited to perform. i have been singing in my uniben days before coming over ere in the US...what i did ,they liked it..and now im having more giggs..i just decided to share dis video with my felow nairalanders....i hope u like it too.
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This isn't me insulting you. It's me being very annoyed that you would gang up and insult someone who has made very valid points in the face of your own misunderstanding and your self-indicting premises.
hahn: Ok. So, was I supposed to say the painting magically appeared?
What's up with you and insults?
Anyways, you didn't get it either. I said my uncle did it and I have never seem him before. Just like you say god did it but have never seen it before
10 other people agree that my uncle did it but have different descriptions of him. Just like there are different religions with different versions of god even though no one has seen it.
Conclusion: None of us know who did it. We agree that my uncle did it but we end up describing the creator and creation in different ways because it's all a figment of our imagination. And because we don't know who did it we have decided to come up with the "his uncle did it" answer which is infact a non answer.
Just like when you say "god did it". It doesn't mean that's true but that's the only excuse you can come up with to excuse your ignorance. It's a non answer. Simple
No. Whether we see or know the uncle or not is not the point you agreed to. What you agreed to is that someone did it. Simple. You may not know him, and you may not have seen him, but its obvious someone did it, because as you said, it did not magically appear out of nowhere(your very words are driving the point home even more. I advice you to calm down and choose your words carefully if you want to help your atheistic position and not insult it)
The universe did not magically appear out of nowhere, just as something as base and common as a painting can't magically appear from nowhere. Our complex inhabitable and even beautiful cosmos has a builder.
Christianity Etc › Re: Woman, Your Husband Is Your God. by Joshthefirst(m): 11:46pm On Feb 16, 2016
. They always remind her that she cant ban them for opposing her anymore. #Butthurt of the soul 