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YourMain:
Allah in his Holy books is a just God. But he's made it very clear he can do whatever he wants. He controls the air we breathe so it's very obvious were nothing in his eyes. I think there's a Hadith that says if we were to weigh the worth of the whole world plus all its inhabitants in the eyes of God it wouldn't even be equal to the weight of the wing of a fly.

But he's also made it clear he's just. What the op post means is that. One may not look like they are following Gods ways but it's what's in your heart that matters most.

Sorry, but I'm not talking about the OP, but your reply to it.

You said in your first reply that anyone who enters paradise does so based on Allah's mercy alone, and I ask what the basis of Allah's mercy is. You have said he can do anything he wants, yes, but as far as he has chosen to be a just God, then he must punish evil, not have mercy on it. Just Judges don't go about having mercy on convicted murderers and felons.

So is Allah a just judge or not? The demands of Justice must be met, and evil must be punished.

YourMain:
I'm not a feminist. I'd love to be. But it's true. Men are generally more successful. If you're talking in wealth men are generally are richer. I agree that women are capable of doing all men can and that's great and all. But right now in the society we have all lived in women are inferior. It is what it is. You don't have to agree. Whatever you consider superiority maybe in class or wealth or power. Google it. Men are superior. Sorry.

Aside, who defines your nature? Who says whether you're I ferior or superior?

From your words in the quoted, YOU and not just the society, have defined yourself as inferior.

The society is what we make it to be, and you cannot call yourself equally capable of everything the opposite sex can do and inferior at the same time.

Once you surrender your definition to the society you have surrendered your power to these so called men, and they will continue their 'abuse'.

YourMain:
I think this is just how to treat any human being. One should never think someone is beneath them irrespective of anything.

Islamically though, it's true. Slandering a woman is a major sin. You're meant to make excuses for your Muslim brethren when you see them err. But then advice them privately. It's also mentioned that whoever enters paradise, it's not going to be by how pious they are as a Muslim but by Allahs mercy alone. So she could dress inappropriately but still have Allahs mercy while you could cover it all up and not...

What is the basis of Allah's mercy? How come Allah's mercy can grant anyone Heaven when he is supposed to punish evil?

Look at human judges, do you see any just judge going about having mercy on convicted criminals? Once you're guilty, you get the penalty.

Is Allah not a just judge?

logoscope:
how do atheist plan to avoid theist marriage and theist spouse?

by trying not to hook up with hot theist babes.
































Edit: Lemme explain. Knowing how most male atheists are very emotional;(especially logicboy who likes parading a hardcore exterior )

Hooking up with a fine theist babe will lead to falling in love

Falling in love with a fine theist babe will lead to a relationship with a fine theist babe.

A relationship with a fine theist babe will lead to conforming to some of her theism

Etc

Kay17:
If the Universe is going to be here for a billion years and compared to that, a man has a lifespan of a maximum of 100 years. Of what importance would a cosmic purpose have that an earthly purpose cannot fulfill?!

Please can you back up a lil' bit and answer the question I asked?:

What meaning of any sort can you find in life without God and divine justice and immortality?

See, the hard wiring of your very existence is hinged on the presence of The immortal Judge, the creator. Whether you like it or not. And you will answer to him. You will stand before him and you will be required to speak.

Kay17:
This existence you talk about, don't you think it ought to be substantiated? Otherwise it is as well a religious dogma. The common path taken to prove the existence of this singular being is identify this being as an intelligent designer and the Universe as his handiwork, otherwise there is no other foot print of this being.

Human experience exposes us to at least one intelligent designer that is us humans. And through our role as intelligent designers, we extrapolate God's role to be similar to ours. Don't you think so?

No.

Kay17:
Meaning can only be found within a context. In the cosmic scale of things, meaning might be hard to grapple with but in our day to day lives, we can identify goals and purposes that get us moving.

What goals and purposes can transcend a physical cosmic accidental existence? Tell me? What hope do you have of the future? What is the purpose of your goals, and what meaning can you find in life without God and divine Justice and immortality?

brocab:
Hebrews 7:8 "And here men that DIE receive tithes, but there He receives them, of whom it is a witness that He lived.
It seems you haven't got the full understanding what this scripture is telling you, dead men receive tithes, but we are alive in Christ, we are His witnesses to prove He lived..Christ had already paid the price in full.
But if you aren't a born again Christian, then you need to pay your tithes because you are dead.

You're quoting scripture out of context.

Read the scriptures before verse 8 to realize that Paul was talking about humans, Levite's, who received tithes in Israel. Levite's received tithes, and they were mortal men, but Melchizedek received tithes, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.

Goshen360:
Discussion for another day and time. However, I have tested the grace of God more than rules, regulations and laws, I'm blessed beyond measure without paying any tithes nor attributing my blessing to tithes.

Pay your tithes, and you'll notice the blessings of God even more.

christemmbassey:
Tithe payment in Christianity is the biggest scam in humanity, stop propagating fraud!

There is no single verse in the bible where Christians are commanded to pay tithe to God, Jesus Christ, pastor or church.

We are Christians not Abrahamians, Jesus did not give nor received tithes.
He started a new priesthood to replace the tithes supported useless Levitical priesthood.
We are members of Jesus priesthood, a priesthood without tithing, we can't pay Levitical tithe.
Remain blessed.

Jesus was called into priesthood after the order of Melchizedek. Melchizedek received tithes, Jesus receives tithes.

As Christians we are the seed of Abraham.

Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,


Pay your tithes, and see God's multiplied blessings in your life.

[b]
Hebrews 7
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. note

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
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6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
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15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
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21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec[/b]


Note the scriptures I've posted and refute them if you can. Don't just tell me what you think.

Stick with matters you can understand plaetton

Shymm3x:
Eff a federal republic. There's a reason why there are customary laws and the provincial agreements that created the entity called "Nigeria" were signed by traditional rulers.

If you want a king - go install one in ya village. Yorubaland is Yorubaland and Igboland is Igboland.

Unfortunately this whole issue is about labels, even from the OP.

Shymm3x:
Gaddamn! This heifer even has a "palace" in Yorubaland - hysterical.

Yoruba culture has been bastardised and desecrated with too compromise for a fictitious country that only exist on paper.

Is this the same Ibadan with all kinds of legends about how brave and militant they're in battles? Ibadan is soft.

This mofo ought to be whipped and dragged around butt-nake3d, with his crown confiscated.

There can only be one king in one kingdom, unless it's a conquered one.

Nigeria is a Federal Republic. It is not divided into kingdoms.

What exactly is your problem with people from another tribe having a leader for themselves in your locality?

Musiwa419:
There cannot be two Kings in a particular Kingdom.


The ibos are fighting for biafra. They want to break away from Nigeria yet they still want to install kings in other parts of Nigeria.


The ibos unlike all other tribes had no Kings prior to the coming of the British colonialist. It was the colonialist that appointed warrant chiefs for the ibos, hence they still do not have a full cultural grasp of what royalty and Kingship is all about.


The ibos are the only one that always have issues with their host. First it was with the Oba of Lagos, later it was with the Deji of Akure and now it is with the Olubadan.


Read the comment below me and imagine the affront, imagine the audacity, imagine the justification of imposing your own culture in domains that are not your just because of the excuse that your people reside there. This was one of the factors that precipitated the pogrom against the ibos in the North and subseqtently the civil war that led to the slaughter of thousands of ibos. Unfortunately, the ibos havent learnt from the mistake of their fathers.

What are you saying please? Is it a crime for a people of a particular culture to continue to practice their culture in outside territories?(Not to talk of the fact that this is our own country). How is the setting up of a traditional ruler of a particular people in another region over THEMSELVES an imposition of culture over another people? Is the Ezendiigbo threatening to turn your Yoruba sons into igbo boys?

What is really annoying about the bolded is the fact that you use this as an excuse to justify the genocide in the civil war.

If you think something as harmless as having a traditional ruler in another region is a just precipitate for civil war then you are a hateful tribalist and should be behind bars right now before you incite violence.

Sorry, but most people are not versed enough in quantum physics to appreciate this information.

Did Einstein mean the true nature of things on the quantum level are not made up on observation when he said God does not play dice with the universe?

plaetton:
Fine.
Long time.

How have you been?

I've been great. Happy new year Sir.

Meel:
sir i have practiced these and its workinng for me i.e giving. There is always a reward for giving. There is more blessing in giving than receviing.

You havent answered my question? How to i pay tithe is it according to ways of Jews or how.


I attended a church, and the pastor was explaining on how to tithe, he said we have tithe and tithe offering. Tithe offering is 5% of our tithe. The two must be intact.

So my question is how do i pay my tithe?
Is it from my, salary income, as a farmer do i pay tithe from my farm proceeds( am also a substitute farmer). From my little poultry dat i don't sell do i pay tithe there also.
Thanks

Genesis 14:20 Blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand.” Abram gave him a tenth of all.

All in that passage signifying all that Abraham had acquired from the war. His income.

Give a tithe of all income you receive.

plaetton:
Funny that Buhari's war on kwaruption is hounding PDP members for allegedly spending government loot to fund the last elections, meanwhile, Buhari's new government is trying to to pass a bona fide " Election Expenses Recovery Budget" on helpless Nigerians.

This budget was inspired by fraud, stitched together by fraud, presented with fraud,and defended with fraud.

Oga how far na.

Meel:
To all tithers, pls if i want to start paying tithes, how do i pay it?
Is it according to the ways of the Jews? Or is dere any way the bible tells us to pay tithe
According to Mal 3:10 am suppose to bring all tithes to the house of the lord, i.e first portion of grains num 15:18-21., first fruit,first animal,
can i fulfill all laws in regard to tithe?
And also is a blessed because he pay tithe or God in his infinite mercy just blessed me cause am d person is his son?
Cc Joshthefirst, amyleb ....

You're blessed in Christ of course. But there's also a blessing that comes with tithing. Start tithing today, and you'll see the additional blessing in your life.

And you tithe of your income. Of what you receive. Whether it's corn or a goat or money, just tithe, and you'll see the blessing in that regard.

Codedrock:
Wait... You are not atheist?

You can't recognize sarcastic mockery?

Seun:
Three more proofs of God's existence:
1. We all know that flying is impossible. If you jump off a tall building while flapping your arms like a bird, you'll fall and die. If humans cannot fly, why is it that birds which are dumber and not as strong as us are able to fly? There is only one satisfactory explanation. Birds can fly because an intelligent being with many hands grabs birds when they flap their wings, lifts them up, and takes them to their destinations.
2. We all know that breathing under water is impossible. People who can't swim tend to drown in deep water. Divers have to carry oxygen tanks so they can breath underwater. Yet fish, which not as intelligent as human beings are able to spend all their time under water and not drown. This miraculous ability must have come from an intelligent being who constantly blows fresh air into every fish's lungs.
3. We all know that sand cannot think. Sand cannot do maths. Sand cannot play chess. Yet computer chips, which are made of sand, can do all this things. There must be an intelligent being that possesses the sand during microchip production and from that moment conducts all the tasks of intelligent reasoning that computers, which are made of chips, made of sand, perform. An intelligent being who makes sand smart.
In each of the above cases the intelligent being is God. He holds birds in the sky, blows the fish, and makes sand intelligent like himself.

Very funny seun.


Unfortunately without God all you have is meaninglessness. Your very existence and the existence of this forum is idi.otic and without purpose. We're all a cosmic accident. It is meaningless and idiot.ic to try to make a better life. It is meaningless and idiot.tic to hope for human advancement. It is meaningless and idiot.tic to teach your children and see them grow. Because existence itself is meaningless.


Here's one proof of God's existence: The fact that life itself is wired to survive and have purpose is proof.

If you think it isn't, then there's no need to react to this post, or to even be on nairaland. The best thing to do is to shut down nairaland and hang yourself.

Even self gratification is meaningless.

Goshen360:
The tithing that was before the law was an example of free will giving before the law was not in effect then. Also, every giving is always a % of one's income, be it 10% or 2% etc. The new testament never mentioned tithes to believers after the cross

No. That tithing was not an example of a freewill offering. It was specifically called a tithe by Paul in Hebrews.

Here it is.

Hebrews 7:6
But he whose descent is not counted from them received titheS of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

Note it was tithes, not even a tithe. Abraham may have given a tithe on more than one occasion.

And as for tithing never mentioned to believers in the new testament, read further down in the same passage to verse 8:

Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.


If he lives, who received tithes from Abraham, what stops him from receiving tithes from us? The Seed of Abraham, Children of the most high God. What stops us from giving our tithes and receiving his blessings also?

See?

It happened before the old covenant, so it wasn't done away with the old covenant. It is an eternal principle in God's kingdom.

Try it and see God's blessings even more in your life brother.

JackBizzle:
I see that nobody bothered to reply your thread.

This "atheist twin in the womb" story has been debunked before on nairaland and many other forums. No one seems to want to revisit it again.

Joshthefirst, please ask yourself, how a baby would know where he is and what lies outside the womb. The same way how a man would know what lies outside the universe when he has never been there or seen it.

The story was only an analogy to stir you up.

Did you read the bible verses?

I don't really need a reply. I only need you to read.
And isnthat your answer? You don't know?

Goshen360:
I do not misinterpret the word, the devourer is relatively connected to bring in your tithes. Study to show yourself approved unto God. The new testament never mentioned tithes to believers except giving from your heart.

Tithing was before the Law. It's a principle. Like sowing and reaping. God's got your back financially when you tithe. You stop moving around D in circles and you start moving upwards, and forwards

sonOfLucifer:
Hahaha.

They were made for stepping. In the name of love. Towards my fridge. For doughnuts.

Smh Muskeeto.

I knew it.

sonOfLucifer:
Men, my legs weren't made for running.

Lol. Don't tell me they were made for dancing just because you're in India.

sonOfLucifer:
They are too busy watching cricket, hockey or Kabaddi
https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-DY581_ikabad_G_20140804072504.jpg
It's a modern version of 'Tag' played by adults.

Lolol. Looks like a game you'd like.

Abeg why is there only one man in red vs five men in yellow? Dem go kill am ooo

sonOfLucifer:
They are too busy watching cricket, hockey or Kabaddi
https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-DY581_ikabad_G_20140804072504.jpg

lolol. Never heard of the last one shaa.

Abeg teach them how to play ball. You need to loose weight, and who knows, you might be their next national star.

sonOfLucifer:


How body? Happy New Year, bro.

You too.

Body is fine o. Longest time. Keep up the good work of supporting Indian football. I wonder why I never see them in the world cup or Olympics?

JackBizzle:
Ehem......muskeeto/sonoflucifer, how market?

I heard that you are going to change clubs and start supporting some local indian football team.

Up man utd.



Oya gunners, no fall my hand ooo. If Leicester win, na to burn jersey go support Eyimba!!

Lolol. My guys are finally moving to support local football. Correct abeg. All those big teams in the epl and co. will only give you high blood pressure.

Sonoflucifer will probably learn dance as well as football in India.

MrPresident1:


I decided not to make any major comments on your post because I do not want to be drawn into winding arguments, and Ishilove had already created an alibi by saying I was engaging in semantic word play to deceive or to confuse people, but I realize that if I refuse to say anything I will inadvertently be promoting ignorance of the Bible, this runs against my purpose here, which is to open as many eyes as YAH permits. And please for the records, don’t you ever accuse me of heresy again, don’t you ever! Because you are just plain ignorant!



[b]I used the etymology of the word ‘worship’ to explain what worship means, worship means the acknowledgement of worth, a woman acknowledges the worth of the man God has placed over her as her husband and her crown by submitting to him, this act of obedience to God’s commandment is her worship and adulation and veneration of God. You pay obeisance or you worship God by obeying his commandments. You cannot worship God abstractly, you cannot worship what you cannot see, you cannot venerate what is unseen, in Deuteronomy, Moses told Israel not to bow down or scrape to idols because it was a most foolish thing to do, how do you as a human being bow to lifeless wood and stone and rocks? Israel was commanded to worship the unseen God by carefully obeying His commandments, to love God and to love one’s neighbours, and this by showing love and mercy to your fellow human beings, when you show love and kindness and mercy to your fellow human beings, you are venerating God, this is worship. You got it completely wrong and twisted because you did not understand the meaning of worship, and you do not need to gather in hundreds in order to hold formalized worship services, 2 or 3 people and God is in their midst.
The words that I speak to you they are spirit and they are life, to obey God’s commandments is to live in truth and in spirit, to obey God, to submit to him is your worship[/b]


[b]
A Man represents authority over a woman, I have said severally that the marriage between a man and a woman is the smallest microcosm of the relationship between God and Man. Christ redeemed both the man and the woman does not destroy the order and hierarchy of the world, Christ is over His church as the man is over His wife. A good man will take care of his wife like his own body, he has her back 25 hours out of 24 hours every day and 8 days out of 7 days, the woman submits to her God fearing husband because he is a man that is divinely directed, if she does not submit, she will err and she will be punished. God has the back of a God fearing man 8 days out of 7 days of the week. Love submits, but submission is not expressly demanded from the man, if finally he has to use the veto power in the home, his woman must submit to him. Of course the woman may be better educated and/or have a bigger worldview than her husband, a wise man recognizes this fact and will see reason with his wife and will not try to bludgeon his wife to submission to his own ultimate stupidity and foolishness.
A man sins and a woman sins, quite right, but we are talking about a marriage relationship here, in marriage, the man is a god to his wife, he will provide her spiritual guidance and direction and the woman must submit to it because it is through her husband that she will connect to God, just as the church connects to God via Christ, if she sees God in her pastor rather than in her husband then something is fundamentally wrong with that marriage, a woman must see God through her husband not through her pastor.[/b]



A woman’s offering to God must be through her husband not through her pastor, and that offering can be used for whatever purpose. My position is informed by women who make donations to churches and pastors, because they see God in pastor rather than in their husbands, I stated clearly that if she is looking for something, she should give those offerings to God not through pastor but through her husband. A wife’s offering through her God fearing husband is a sacrifice to God and is as good as presenting it to God Himself, the man is at liberty to dispense it as he wills, of course a wise husband well informed of his wife’s reasons will dispense wisely. And church is not necessarily only a place or gathering for formalized worship, if the husband and wife are one person, then with another person joining them, you have a church already.

[b]

This is a load of ignorant bullshit.
Adam was a god to Eve in the sense that Adam got the law from God and it was his duty to teach the law to his wife Eve. Adam and Eve is not the story of a single man and woman but the story of Israel and her fall allegorically presented in Genesis, the fall (and redemption) of Israel recorded from the beginning, in the nature of God, declaring the end from the beginning. When Adam and Eve fell, they both became naked, Adam lost God and automatically Eve lost God too, powerful Adam who controlled the world became powerless, he became ordinary, the serpent to whom they lost power became their husband, the husband of Adam and Eve. And Adam did not rule animals: birds of the air, beasts of the field, creeping things, cattle, are terms used to describe the beastly nature of the men of those times who did not have the law of God as their operating software, Adam was the first man to discover the law of God which is symbolically presented as the creation of man or God breath into man and man became a living being or do you not know that the Word of God is the Spirit of God? Before the law, only beasts existed, the law of God inside Adam is what made him a living being, this Word of God inside Adam made him a living soul.
And yes originally, Adam did not rule over Eve, you do not rule over the one you love, rather he provided guidance and direction and headship to her, but when they both fell, Adam lost God and Eve without spiritual support devolved, they both were naked (unprotected by God) and they both became wife to the serpent, to be ruled over!
Adam is the allegorical name for the rulers (or gates) of Israel, Eve is the allegorical name of the masses of ancient Israelites.[/b]



[b]There are leaders Adam and there are followers Eve, you are just messing up the Word, what is the business of Mathew 20 here? We are talking about marriage where God has established a hierarchical relationship and you are talking about Jesus and his disciples, are both scenarios related? Was Jesus Illustrating marriage? Have you forgotten that Paul said he does not suffer a woman to usurp authority over a man in the congregation 1 Tim 2:12? And just so you know, an addendum information, the gospel of Jesus Christ as told by Mathew Mark Luke and John is a condensed story, the character of Jesus Christ in those stories represented as one man is actually a number of men, Jesus Christ is not one person, Jesus Christ is 144,000 persons! And everything in the gospels is presented allegorically, symbolically and in illustrations.
He gave the Holy Ghost to men and women, did he destroy the hierarchy in marriage? You are quoting absent coherence, linking unrelated stories and making a mess off the Bible![/b]



Continue to pin unrelated stories together, are you sure your purpose here is not to deceive people like Ishilove? Come unto me all ye that labour… is marriage the subject here? Anybody can come to Christ but in a marriage, a married woman will access Christ via her husband just as the Church accesses God via Christ, abi don’t you pray in Jesus name in your church? For women who do not have husbands, there is always a male authority she can defer to, her father is there, and then her pastor can be there too, but for a woman who is married, her husband will perform that duty. This is why God places a lot of premium on widows because He understands the difficulty they face absent their heads


Exodus 22:22-24
Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child.
23 If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry;
24 And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.

I question your purpose fundamentally on this thread, and don't you ever accuse me of heresy again, ever!

Ever!

Abeg the important thing I want to point out is that the story of Adam and Eve is the historical fact of the origins of the human race. It is not an allegory, and you are really misinterpreting a lot of stuff. Thank you.

davien:
Yes, it does stem from a belief that the universe can be understood by a set of naturalistic laws which appear "ordered", but ever since discoveries about the microscopic world and quantum physics(and many more observations) it's now common to see and demonstrate that random physical interactions can be responsible for ordered aspects of the things observed.
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I say this is not true.

Even quantum physics is studied and being studied, described and being described by its own set of principles and laws.

It is not common in any way, and it has never been demonstrated that random physical interactions are responsible for order in anything. Only the opposite has been demonstrated, and only the opposite is the reason we approach things in an empirical way, because we expect order. I'm tempted to call you an I'd.iot.