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Kay17:
Don't you think religion is a subset of culture? Don't you think culture sets goals for human achievement. For example the modern culture promotes mass materialism as some sort of achievement.

It doesn't matter what culture does. I ask what gives meaning to life. Life including culture. Culture, everything, is meaningless without God and Divine Justice and immortality.


What is the point of goals for human achievement when human achievement will ultimately end up in empty nothingness in the end? You can't hide behind a shallow culture. You can't give meaning and hope to a purposeless existence with popular ways of life that are eventually meaningless and futile and will end in ultimate pointlessness.

Ishilove:
Have you begun dissecting cadavers?

Lol. Finished that a 'long' time ago. haha. It's time to dissect living human beings, not dead ones.

JackBizzle:
I almost forgot, chibubuem, the biased referee has not finished school and is here judging beef on nairaland.

what has school got to do with this?

Kay17:
But you haven't said how it affects LIVING. To Live and exist is separate from how we become to exist. The role of culture is to make LIVING possible. Babies for example fulfill LIVING quite adequately, being in each moment, deriving their joys with blissful ignorance.

I don't see how the bolded addresses anything I've been saying.

The role of culture is not to make living possible. Culture is only the way a certain person lives his life. That said, culture itself has to be given definition by belief or else it is senseless.

We do not remain babies forever. We do not remain ignorant forever. We must be given faith and belief to wake up to and face the continuity and challenges of life and not relapse into the psychosis of meaninglessness in self-gratification.

Living is senseless without the depth of God and love and good and evil. We all believe and accept and walk and think and act in line with this, whether we deny it or not.

Ishilove:
So what else is new?

Abeg leave trash for Lawma and let us discuss more edifying things.

How's school work, darling?

Hey.

School's great. About to start new classes.

JackBizzle:
Another fool shows up. In the last 20 pages, almost all of ishilove's comments are about trolling me. She joined tufanjja, reyginus and dagr8est to say negative things about me. So how is she ignoring me? I'm the very reason she's on this chatbox.


Remember when you were chibubuem and joined ishilove to insult me? As if you're not biased in this situation. Clown

See how you dedicate yourself to badgering her while she only mostly replies occasionally in a few lines. I have been around for the last 20 pages and the fact is that she has mostly ignored you.

You seem to think she's as obsessed with you as you are with her, I don't think that's the case.

Move on with your life and stop being so annoying and insultive. I'm not out to get you, and I don't think anyone is. I'm saying this because you're beginning to look seriously bitter. I've been thinking maybe this has just been an online charade but it doesn't look so now.

I have said my own.

LB I'd say you're a little obsessed with ishilove.

And I'm not her masquerading in another account abeg.

Let this go for Pete's sake.

You spend time and money badgering her all day while all she does is mostly ignore you. Move on with your life bro.

JackBizzle:
Nah...just pulling your leg......I truly dont know how intelligent anyone here is. I myself do silly things at times. No one is perfect

I and Muskeeto are very intelligent.

Tufanja:
I thought as a theist one should not listen to one's own desires but to the wish of God. What if God wants you to marry an atheist and let your love become a witness to him?

God has made his wishes known already, and he wouldn't wish that. What fellowship is light and darkness? Marriage is a yoke, and an unequal yoke will only damage, not restore

JackBizzle:
You have the nerve to say this on a non-christian (mostly atheist) chatbox? You are such a troll.


Before I even correct you logically, let me address your hypocrisy- You are a christian babe who had a crush on Seun Osewa (an atheist) and another atheist, I wouldn't mention here.

Love is not owned by or limited to religion. People marry across religions. Jew and muslim. Christian and atheist. Buddhist and christian.


Stop trollling. Grow up. Stop being a hypocrite.


cc ftboy, muskeeto

You and many people, don't know what love is. Love isn't fancy words of ecstasy or based on feelings.

Feelings don't last.

Love is the greatest power. If you knew love, you'd be different, you wouldn't be an atheist. And I am not sorry for saying so, cuz it's true. There is power, there is hope, but what sustains your very life is God's love.

Real love transcends time and space. Love provided the power to make eternal life possible and free for all as they choose.

Tufanja:
The capacity to love is not defined by religious convictions (which always should be dynamic, because we are always on a journey to find the truth, as a theist or an atheist), but by a mixture of individual defined capacities influenced and shaped by: genes, birth place, birth story, character, background, upbring, family, education, exposures, experiences, trauma's, personal choices and mistakes, etc.

The personal capacity to love and to search for the truth is the only relevant basics for a loving relationship. If love is divine, the love will bring to God anyway.

Part of the term "atheist", is "theist". I have never met an atheist who convincingly could get rid of the theism part. Simply, because there are no proofs of the non-existence of some higher powers sofar. Atheism is not an opposite of theisme, it includes theisme as much as it includes all other possible explanations for fundamental questions on the quest of life.

Love is a journey together, a journey in the depths of the heart, the mind, the soul. The only thing that matters is that you both are as eager to make your personal growth process in life a shared one. There are no fixed answers, no fixed destination. If your common driver is to perfect your love and make love the fuel of the vehicle, then you can get lost together in the jungle of life's questions but you will always find ways out and love will be your destiny and if God is love, God will be.

Are you a truth seeker?

What if I have found the truth already?

I don't think the bolded is the only thing that matters

Kay17:
Do you think man is omniscient? If we were, we would be beyond errors and understand all truths. Don't you agree?

If you do agree. Then it is perfectly natural for us to come to understand the Universe gradually and at our own pace. It would be strange if we knew the beginning and end of the Universe immediately we were born. Rather we have to learn and learn in the most difficult manner.

Now for you to claim you know the beginning of the Universe is, an astonishing claim. You are hardly the cosmologist. How do you answer where your knowledge came from?

My knowledge of the universe comes from the omniscient author of the universe himself.

Kay17:
Through culture. Living within a culture without God and Immortality can be equally meaning. If I live my life as an aesthetic purpose. Read great books, meet good people, listening to music, playing the role of the wife, daughter and engineer gifted with building bridges between communities. And deriving satisfaction at one's usefulness and enjoyment.

How does living within a culture and doing all this things you have mentioned give meaning and satisfaction to an existence that was accidental and is futile and will come to an end of nothingness? How will reading great books give you meaning when your life is accidental and will come to a purposeless end?

'Meet good people?' What is good and what is bad? I thought you were an atheist? Smh. There are so many things wrong with your post. This is one reason I say there are no real atheists, just paraders.

How does meeting good people give meaning and satisfaction to an accidental causeless existence that will end as a meaningless blink with no aftermath whatsoever? What is the point of playing a role when your life and the lives of all the communities you have bridged will end in ultimate nihility?

How do you know good and evil without God? Who makes up your good and evil? How do you know good is good and how will evil be punished? What is the point of living and civilization and being 'good' and human advancement, when death and nothingness is the final end of all things in your conscious and accidental existence?

How does research, discovery, diplomacy, art, music, sacrifice, compassion, feelings of love, or affectionate and caring relationships mean anything if it all ultimately comes to naught anyway?


What is the point of advancement in history when history itself is ultimately futile and will come to a similar meaningless end and fate?

How does culture give meaning to your life which is like smoke and can disappear at any time? Along with the lives of your family and 'loved ones' and children, along with the lives and advancement and knowledge of humanity as a whole? What's the point?


See, if you do not believe in God and his promise of reward and Immortality, death and futility is the destiny of your short and meaningless life.

Niflheim:
@Joshthefirst,

If your god does not have another god that gives him a higher purpose in life, then we can confidently say that the life of your god is purposeless and meaningless!!!

This is quite stu.pid actually.

truthislight:
The above is a wrong application of Heb 7

how so?

christemmbassey:
! Many very dishonest tithe promoters have changed their IDs, so I A very sure, you are either one of them or new on Nl, bc my activities and comments as regards' tithe fraud' are well articulated in this section of Nl. So , I do not have time to go in circles and quote verses with you.

Notwithstanding, I wish to correct your twist of Mark 12:41-42 ( I know its in a tithe collectors blood to twist tbe scripture without which they have no lie to promote the fraud)

1. Jesus was not directly or indirectly involved in the collection and application of the monies collected by the Temple treasury, so his comment does not in any way show that God collect tithes from widows, orphans etc.
Infarct, one of the reasons God commanded Israel to give tithes was so that the widows, the orphans, the poor including the Levites be taken care of.

Deuteronomy 26:12 New International Version (NIV)
12 When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the[b] Levite[/b], the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.

So bro, ur twist has failed, God has never collected tithes from widows, rather, widows collected tithes from God;

On the issue of the widow of zarephath, there is no twist that can turn that story to a widow giving tithe. Go and read and understand and stop looking for loop hole to scam.

And i also do not have time to reply your pathetic false accusations.

It seems you lack simple comprehension skills. I posted the story of the widow of zarephat and the widow in the temple to show you that if God could accept so much sacrifice from poor widows he'll surely accept a tenth from them, and bless them for it.

And Jesus commended the widow for giving more than all the others, for giving her all.

Please do not quote me again if you cannot come up with proper scriptural rebuttal to prove that God does not accept tithes from his children, the seed of Abraham. I don't do petulance and name calling

brocab:
Firstly it is not a weak point-only to you, because you aren't reading your bible clearly, the blind will always lead the blind.
You have read the scriptures to know not even Jesus collected tithes, nor His disciples, but you have chosen to ignore the scriptures, your page has showing us clearly, you would rather follow after Mammon your God, you are part of the gang of thieves, who can only see the doctrines on law these prosperity preachers produce.
Galatians 3:10 "You are cursed with a cursed if you don't obey all the laws.

The principle of tithing and seed showing was demonstrated by Abraham and Jacob before the law of !Moses was given. It is not part of the mosaic law. It is a principle of heaven.

And Jesus preached prosperity. If you want to stick with being impoverished, go ahead, but he was made poor, so that I, through his poverty might become rich.

plaetton:
This is something I have never been able to understand.

Even among my enlightened friends, they don't feel OK until they find a reason to smear a southeastern public personality.

But southwesterners are fairly enlightened, progressive, proud, accommodating , and experience the same good and bad that every other tribe experiences.

The obsession and paranoi about southeasterners, and with putting down anything Igbo is a mystery that can only be attributed to some psychological issues.

Why can't we move away from the tribal prejudices and politics of our fathers and grandfathers?

Because of an inferiority and Jealousy complex.

brocab:
You have used the scripture Mark 12:42-43 "Which one of the two Jesus had said, will be remembered, of coarse the Lady who paid all what she had, the two mites.
This is given, not tithing, tithing was the law giving to farmers who obeyed God's law, filling the lands, shocks crops, and merchandise with rain and nourishments given them a yearly intake of a 23% of their best first fruit products yearly to the Levites as God had commanded them to do, some of the tithes were 3 years apart.
Then of course the Levites would give 10% of their tithe of food products to Aaron the high priest.
Tithing had nothing to do with money back then, nor does it have anything to with money today.
So you using this scripture as a good example you are walking up the wrong path. Tithing these days is not scriptural, and if you were tithing the way God had made tithing to be, which you aren't, then you are well and truly out of date.
2 John 1:10 "If anyone comes to your house and brings another doctrine, don't let him in.

Sorry, I was replying with regards to a certain statement he made:

10, When did God start collecting tithes from widows, orphans strangers and the poor? not to talk of prostitutes, thieves, ritualists, spiritists, gay/lesbians, satanists, fraudsters etc?

I was trying to show him God collected much more than 10% from widows, so his point is null.

People mostly dealt in farming back then. Will you now tell me that you aren't supposed to tithe because you're not a farmer? Weak point.

Kay17:
As I said earlier Meaning can only be drawn in context. If you can agree to that, then God divine justice and immortality are not necessary.

Smh Kay.

Okay, does your life have any meaning? If so, based on which context?

I suspect you're being deliberately ambiguous just to dodge the important question I asked you earlier. This won't be the first time you're using dodging tactics.

Lemme rephrase then:

What context can you find meaning in life without God and Divine Justice and Immortality?

Abeg Ishilove no vex with me for derailing your thread. What are friends for?

YourMain:
I'm one of a kind

Lol. Cool.

YourMain:
sigh. If you say so.

I'm an agnostic Muslim. I believe in most teachings in the Quran but my relationship with God is personal and isn't within the boundaries of any religion.

hmmm. I've ever met an agnostic Muslim before.

YourMain:
And I agree. I will teach my kids the same. But not " I live life by own rules..." Because that's not true.

'I live life by MY own rules' is true for me. And it also depends on the context of interpretation.

Are you a Muslim?

facheux:
I respect that. I meant no ill will towards you.

And I you.

YourMain:
You live by your own rules :O. Really? Do you live on your own little planet too ? Sorry you live in a society. You can go to jail for raping me and I can't go to jail for raping you. I'm sorry did you make that rule ? Did you also make the rule where if you and I make a child I can abort it if I wanted and you can't do anything about it ? No you didn't. Because you live in a society. That has rules that aren't made by you.


Lol what? Have you opened the Forbes richest ? Is that what you see opportunities and inspiration ? Where ? I agree that you should teach them that they are powerful and strong and capable of doing anything. But we live in a society with faults. You can't tell your kids they don't live in a society. They do. They live in a society where being a man is favoured in a lot of ways than being a woman. And you've to teach them to act against that. Not to pretend it's not there.

I've never said women cannot be powerful. I said men are generally more powerful and in positions of power. Because they are. It's the truth.

What I will teach my kids, will enable them to transcend the limitations of society. That's the sum total of what I mean. I will teach them not to allow society to define their limitations.

facheux:
I urge you to learn a little about islam. The answer you seek and repetitively inquire about will be clear.

Okay, but I'm asking these questions partly to learn about Islam too

christemmbassey:
The fraudulent tithe and sowing of seeds turn God to a trader, stop this, God is not a trader, He doesn't sell blessings. GOD DOES NOT NEED MONEY! What is so difficult to understand here?

Stop talking like an ignorant man. There is a reason God even asked the Israelites to pay tithes. Did he want to invest their tithes in making other universes then? Go read it up please. Mtchew

christemmbassey:
Story! story!!story!!! You are a BIG LIAR!
Tithe was meant for the levitical priests, Jesus could not receive tithe bc He was NOT A LEVITICAL PRIEST.

1. Did Israel pay tithe for 400 years in Egypt?
2. During 40 years in the wilderness, did they pay tithe?
3. Abraham gave a tenth of the war spoils on the road, how does this translate to my monthly salaries?
4. Do they pay tithes today in Israel?
5. Where can we see 'A LEVITE' in Nigeria to give our tithes to ?
6. Why did God command Israel to give tithes ti the Levite instead of allowing them to follow Abraham one - orr gesture to Melchizedeck?
7. During Jacobs sojourn in Laban, his uncle 's house, did he pay tithes and to whom?
8. Did Peter, John, Paul and other apostles receive tithes?
9. When did God change His tithes from herbs and herds to wages and salaries?
10, When did God start collecting tithes from widows, orphans strangers and the poor? not to talk of prostitutes, thieves, ritualists, spiritists, gay/lesbians, satanists, fraudsters etc?

I don't have to pay tithe to receive anything from my father, God. bc, Christ paid all.
Today I enjoy everything by the Grace of my Lord, Jesus.
As a father, I pay my children's fees and other provisions from God's blessings, they do not need to pay anything to me to make me carry out my responsibilities towards them.
Its a pity, ur god needs naira b4 he can bless you.
I Am sure, we are not worshipping the same God, bc mine doesn't need bribe to bless me.

Notice you didn't address my points with scripture of your own, but simply ranted nonsense and called me a liar.

I'll only say three things and give you some advice after that until you can come up with formal scriptural defense against me:

With regards to number 10;

1. God collected more than tithe from the poor widow in the new testament. He collected everything she had.

[b]Mark 12
42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. note

43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:

44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
^^^^^
Scripture didn't say Jesus told the woman to return it, scripture gives the notion that he praised the woman's sacrificial giving.



2. Elijah demanded for more than 10% from the widow of zarephath. He took the last meal of herself and her son.


[b]
1 Kings 17
12 And she said, As the LORD thy God liveth, I have not a cake, but an handful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and, behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die.

13 And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son.

Note that these are cases of poor widows. But they didn't find the call to give their all an insult to or from God. They were willing and they were blessed.


My advice to you is to give your tithes and stop withholding blessings from yourself and your family. Your words show me you're a man who doesn't know how to apply the principle of giving in his life.

Edited

YourMain:
Yes Hes a just judge. His mercy is earned. He doesn't give to to criminals.

How can you earn mercy? Mercy by definition cannot be earned.

YourMain:
Lol. I would love love to play fairy tales and rainbow with you but there's a certain point you've to grow up and see reality.

Oh you're going to come here and say you don't live by what the society has defined for us ? Please. It's not possible. Weve made society what it is that's why men and women aren't equal.

You will teach your son to play football and not ballet because you are a product of society. Your daughter will wear dresses and skirts and makeup and heels because she will be a product of society. Your daughter will open Forbes and see that the majority of people in power are men. More than likely the CEO of wherever she works will be a man. But she's going to go home are you're honestly going to tell her women are equal to men? Please don't raise a fool. We can't live by inspirational quotes.

I'll tell you what, This is my reality:

I live life by my own rules, and my life strictly adheres to my own definitions.

I will teach my children not to let society define them, but to let the good book do so. I will teach them to do whatever sport they love. My daughter will open forbes and see an only opportunities and inspiration, and my girls(since we're talking specifically about them) will be powerful and influential, because i will teach them that they're not inferior, but equal and powerful. They will learn from me and my wife not to live life defined by rules of the society, and they will be effective and violent trail blazers. Those are the people who make a difference in the world, not people who allow circumstance of origin and society to define their chances of success and freedom.

Open the powerful women and men of Forbes and read their stories to get what I mean.

Goshen360:
The blessings of God that I know of after the cross and by the Grace of God does not depend on tithe paying. I'm blessed because of the finished work of Christ. ....pay your tithes my foot...

And there is a blessing in tithe paying and seed sowing.

If you're not interested, fine, but don't slander the blessing of God and stop other brethren from tapping into it.

If you no wan chop tithe blessing allow other people chop am na. Nawa oo.

How can you refuse to enter the good door and still do your best to stop others from entering too? That's devilish.