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plaetton:
Lol.

We do, as a matter of fact, know that all cosmic phenomena are indeed underpinned by the chaotic interactions of energy and matter.

Now, understand me carefully.
I do not say that all cosmic phenomena are chaotic and are direct results of chance, but that at the most elementary level, order evolves from Chaos.

sonOfLucifer:
Lots of doughnuts and space to just design and create stuff.

plaetton:
Nature is not a distinct entity. Rather, nature is a loose generic term we use to describe the END-PRODUCTS of cosmic interactions in our celestial locality.
As such, nature encompasses all cosmic phenomena .

Since we know that all cosmic phenomena are products of chaos, it naturally follows that nature is an offspring of chaos.

Therefore, by simple deductive logic, it is scientifically obvious that Nature, a COMPLEX FUNCTIONAL SYSTEM, is BEGOTTEN, Refueled and continuously Maintained by the perpetual dance of mother ENERGY and father Random CHAOS.

So, nature itself, is the proof that random choas can and do create and evolve complex functional systems.

This basically answers all your questions.

But, my instincts tell me that these answers are just too simplistic for you, considering how you phrased your questions and the made-to-fit answers you're likely looking for.

In case you need more elaboration, I would be happy to oblige you.

However, I would only do so in purely scientific terms, involving complex scientific and mathematical facts ,ideas and theories .

Kay17:
OK.

What objective standard helps you to realize that people feel unfulfilled and without meaning without God?

Kay17:
The God you have in mind, is the Christian God who sent his son to die for humanity, right?

Kay17:
Joshthefirst

But the summary of what you are trying to say is, my God is the best and largest amongst the rest! That's shallow if you think about it carefully.

Kay17:
But you accept all other Gods are embedded in respective religions and cultures except the Christian God, right?

brocab:
Well then your blessings you retrieve are only from your tithings.
You say you are rich, in what way are you rich?

Firstly Jesus said one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God-in your case You haven't yet accepted Christ fully into your heart, you are comparing Jesus with Money, Jesus said you can't worship Mammon and God at the same time. you will either hate the one or love the other-so which is it? Money or God?

Have you noticed the story about the poor widow, who Christ recolonized, who paid more into the treasurey, her story stood out above the tithers, Christ had seen her heart she didn't give a percentage she gave all, why because she believed. More than what He seen the tithers do..
She understood the differences between tithing and given, she gave herself all what she had to God, while you and the rest of the tithers gave only a small percentage of 10%.

And if you are to tithe the way God had commanded some Jewish farmers to tithe back then, then you would tithe 23% yearly, but because you have chosen to follow after your flesh, you are disobeying God and you have given your tithes "NOT" the way God had made tithes to be in Stock crops and Merchandise.

Did Abraham pay tithes from his own weekly wages, or did he give back merchandise that didn't belong to him?

It is not I' you are finding it hard to take seriously, its the word of God you are finding it hard to bare.
I am blessed, I am rich, and the Lord had supplied me with my needs, as I live, I live for His word.
Buying jets, mega homes, mega Churches, fancy cars M/Bikes, is a thing from the past, nothing last. Heaven and earth will oneday pass away, but Jesus said His word will always stay.
And if Christ made some to be pastors, some evangelist, some teaches, and some prophets, then why does the Church make it so hard for people who have a passion for Christ, why aren't they paid?

If you tithed to me, and I tithed to someone else, and somebody tithe to you, what then?

Is your pastor being paid because you are to lazy to get out their yourself and witness, do I have to tithe to retrieve a blessing more then those who don't tithe?

Can I not do the work for the lord, without having to be ordered by the church to do so.

Is your Church really reaching out to the world, or are they enjoying their new comforts buying and selling new stocks they had financed through the Church.

Kay17:
Again by saying God is existence or reality, you refusing to acknowledge that God is a cultural feature of Western culture. Other cultures depend on their own Gods to find meaning -- Native Americans, Chinese, Indian, African cultures all have Gods or the equivalent.

FOLYKAZE:
Complex functional systems only exist in our thought. The system is what it is. . .vibrations and frequencies.

Thought is simply a relation of matter with matter, and is neither different nor superior to the hurtling of atoms against each other. This is a shock of material imparts creating vibration and reactions to matter. I see nothing complex in this than our mind making a mountain from nothing. The complexity is illusion.

MrAnony1:
Good to see you again bro. I agree with you but please can you post a link on the robots you are talking about?

@Reyginus, I hail thee!

Kay17:
But culture includes religion be it paganism or Islam or Buddhism

MrAnony1:
Hi everyone, been a while. (Free time seems inversely proportional to age these days....or is it a bell curve? Lol)

Anyway, I have a question to ask. I keep hearing people appeal to nature as an explanation for complexities that they find in the operation and function of non-manmade things. So my question is:

1. What is Nature exactly?

2. Is Nature intelligent, such that it can deliberately create a complex functional system such as is a living goat?

3. If Nature is not intelligent then how do we explain the existence of goats?
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5. If your explanation is that complex functional systems such as are goats came by intelligent design, can you cite any similar examples where such a process has been observed? i.e. can you provide with evidence, examples of complex functional systems that came to exist with intelligence?

brocab:
2 Corinthians 8 read your bible-the story was preferring to was about giving , you have your wires crossed, you tithers are always confused about the scriptures, you believe giving and tithing have the same meanings.
Well they don't {Giving can mean more or less-tithing is a percentage. 23% 10% etc}
So yes I have all the rights to add words to the scriptures, because its the word of God, the truth and nothing but the truth.
The little old woman gave all what she had to the treasury {two mites} while the tithers gave their percentage, and who of the two was remembered more than the other. The Giver or the tither?
So as we read more into the scriptures Jesus is the main attraction-not collecting any tithes Himself, nor His disciples, nor anybody else who followed after Him, but 2 Corinthians 8 talks more on the fact they were givers, not tithers, poverty was everywhere in those days, and because of their commitment to Jesus they understood the differences between the law on tithing and a free will giving, Voluntarily supporting their own poverty, they gave.
Its the word of God that fills our hearts with its riches, not tithing money, I am rich, silver and gold I do not have, but what I have I give to you. Stand up and walk with Christ.

Ishilove:
Yes, the life force that animates them has departed and instead what is left is a shell. When I looked at them I could almost feel the emptiness, the nothingness

I was shaken for the most of that day and it reminded me of my own mortality

I wonder how you surgeons cope seeing people's innards. Gross!

brocab:
His poverty made us rich in word' not in money.
You preaching such rubbish shows you are a just another prosperity preacher, trying to build your kingdom with {Money} finances, paying your way into heaven, Jesus said you brought nothing into this world and surely you will take nothing out.
2 Corinthians 8 "Jesus became rich in word and He became poor in poverty {Money} Its the word of God that gives us riches, When we pray God already knows what we need, we just have to ask Him, and He will give to us the things that's needed for the body.
You claim you are rich, in what way are you rich?
I am rich, and the riches I have, I give to you, Peter said silver and gold I do not have, but what I have I give to you, get up a walk.
You cant worship Mammon and God at the same time, you will either hate the one and love the other.

Tufanja:
Please, have some patience with me, I am trying to understand.
So according to you, I need to use a lens to make a moral decision and that lens should be JC? So suppose I find myself caught between a rock and a hard place, what should I do? Wondering what JC would do or told us to do? In that type of reasoning the problem is that JC didn't give clear cut answers and definitely not for the complex modern life we are living in now. So then it all turns down on your interpretation of what you think JC would do, a sort of derived interpretation based on his basic sets of ideas and principles?

brocab:
And make sure you point it out clearly why was Jesus made poor, when you claim He preached such doctrines?

brocab:
And could you show me in scripture where Jesus spoke and preached in the prosperity money doctrine? And make sure you point it out clearly why was Jesus made poor, when you claim He preached such doctrines?
Does this verse sound like Jesus was rich in finances-birds have nest, foxes have holes, but Jesus said He had no place to rest His head.
What does this scripture tell you? Matthew 17:24 "The temple guards came to Peter and said, does not your master pay temple taxes, Peter said yes, then Jesus asked Simon. so whom do the kings of the earth collect customs, from their sons or by strangers, Peter said by strangers, Jesus then said then the sons are free.

sonOfLucifer:
. Good line bro.

Ishilove:
Wow, deep stuff.

I was a man in my past life and I lived to a very ripe old age.

sonOfLucifer:

Sometimes, God uses the foolishness of the world to confound the wise.

Stay foolish, Stay God.

Kay17:
I didn't mean to insult you by saying you were not open minded.

You omit the fact that the monotheistic Christian God is a feature embedded in Western culture. A feature not found anywhere else. In other words don't isolate God from his originating culture.

Ishilove:
I respect surgeons so much. I just can NEVER do it. I can't even stand the sight of an open wound not to talk of a whole cadaver.

The first time I was a mortuary and I saw some unclaimed bodies looking like dark skinned mannequins, I wasn't myself for the rest of that day

sonOfLucifer:
Ah,, sometimes I just throw a dice.

Kay17:
If you had an open mind you would see religion itself is a part of culture. The idea of a God, possibility of immortality are rooted within a way of life. Morality for example is justified through God and religion. And morality is cultural as well. People restrain themselves and their actions to fit their way of life

The problem with you is, you refuse to accept the multiple religions in our world and critically think of what way of life they advertise.

Ishilove:
Arrrrghhhhh!!

Do you eat meat?

I'm so terribly squeamish

Tufanja:
Question: How do you make moral decisions? Based on what grounds?

@ishilove, Loj, Reyginus, SonofLucifer, Joshthefirst, DaGr8est, namebdis4, winner01 etc