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aManFromMars: So he now floods us in small measures? Wakes up, scratches his balls, spins the globe beside his bed, and just says 'floooooodd!!'...

That's cool. Awesome power.

be careful how you speak and think.

I said natural disasters have increased in frequency in recent times. You said its not true, giving an example as the fact that an incident like the flood has not reoccured. Is the great flood the only incidence of natural disaster?
I also show you that God promised the flood won't reoccur.

Then you resort to mockery.

Smh.

GeneralShepherd: this was the same response you gave at the Anambra disaster...pathetic...

when speaking to people with clear motives, they will know that my heart goes out to them and I share their sorrows, but when speaking to you who wants to exploit the grief of people for godless and sinful agenda. I will only speak like Jesus spoke:

Luke 13: 2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilæans were sinners above all the Galilæans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

mazaje: They have increased but they have always been there long before the time of Jesus. . .

so jesus' prophecies came to pass. Thank you for refusing to find a way or an excuse to deny it.
Jesus prophesied this.

aManFromMars: Says who?

We've not had a flood like Noah's in recent times.

smh.
Geneses 9: 11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

He promissed no world wide flood.

Go to google and ask for disaster statistics.

GeneralShepherd: I think it was better in the good old days when christians answered these kind of questions with lines like, 'I really don't know why God allowed these to happen but our hearts and prayers goes to the victims' Not Josh and Ajibam coming here to talk rubbish that this is judgement.

You brood of vipers are so insensitive to other people's predicament, I hope you or your family never experience such. Hypocrites

Judgement my ass

epic case of denying reason so your godlessness would be justified. I didn't say the earthquakes are judgement btw. I said they are a sign.
Its because of the bolded that satan has used peoples ignorance to pull them away from the faith.

You and plaetton are the shameless and insensitive ones. Using disaster to spread godlessness and encourage sin.

mazaje: Stop talking nonsense. . .Natural disasters have been a part of this planet since inception. . .We now get to hear about natural disasters that happen all over the world because of technology. . .During the time of Jesus christ such news would not have been heard at all all over the world. . .If you know anything about the planet you will know that natural disasters are an integral part of the planet and have been in occurrence since inception . Natural disasters have nothing to do with god and they have nothing to do with sin and they also have nothing to do with the end of the planet. . .An asteroid can hit the planet and end all life today, it has nothing to do with your imaginary god's judgement. . .

this isn't true. Natural disasters have increased in frequency.

mazaje: ?
God loves humans, wants to be in a relationshp with them yet all he can do is kill 150,000 of them daily?. . . .



Your god is perfect but he created an imperfect system filled with death and destruction, eh?. . .I am putting it to you that you are much better than your imaginary god because if you have the ability to stop the storm that raged the Philippines, you would have stopped it. . .All these silly excuse to protec your imaginary god is pathetic. . .

what is pathetic is you vomiting and saying the same thing and even looking for the same excuse everyday even though they have been dealt with. Pathetic.
Smh.

Kay 17: I thought Jesus didn't dwell in sinners?!! How can something as pure as Jesus speak through filthy sinners like you. Can u walk amongst pigs in a white gown?! I doubt it.

@Olaadegbu

Why can't Jesus appear to us? He can do it, can't he? Didn't he resurrect Lazarus from the death, who have you resurrected?

jesus is in us. Our sibs have been remitted by his grace and sacrifice. We have become the righteousness of God, ambassadors of Christ.

2 corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

deols: It is wrong to assume that this thread is only for the infidels.


@Uyi Iredia, it says non-Christians and not infidels.

#justcorrectingyousha.

well done.

(#justapplaudingyoushaa)

rationalmind: like that of jonah and the fish.

we learn a great lesson from jonah and the ninevites.

The ninevites were ungodly and wallowing in sin and wickedness. God was ready to judge. But he sent jonah to preach. When jonah preached, the people repented and God forgave.

God is able to forgive all who trust in him and repent of their sins. Repent now and stop looking for excuses to wallow in sin.

aManFromMars: So you belong to the synagogue of Satan?

Smh

Jesus is in us. He's here. He confirms our words. He speaks through us.
He preaches the message.

The pilot is here.
But man still rejects him.
Some recognize him, and find light and life in his name.

John 1:11 He came to his own people, and even they rejected him. 12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.

Paul only witnessed Jesus' light and glory and he came out blind.

rationalmind: This is what I expect from a holy book written by a loving God

Matthew 24:7 For nation shall unite with nations, kingdom uniting with kingdom: and there will lots of foods, blessings, prosperities, good health in divers places. All these are the beginning of my coming.

sorry sir. But I got to think about this before and I was surprised too. From a book claimed to be written by God, I would expect tides of goody goody and good good stuff. But the bible is the contrary. It tells the true story that pricks mens hearts. It tells history undiluted. It speaks of suffering and death and sin and the judgement of sin and mankinds perversions. It tells of God coming to judge. But it also speaks of a saviour, of Gods plan to remedy it all through the ages, and of Gods promise of a new world to the faithful people who continue in righteousness and in christ jesus.

May mankind repent from sin.

aManFromMars: Rev. 2:9 9 I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

good. This settles it then?

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Ajibam: yes ooo...
my God is not a God of confusion.. that's y I change it to normal

Smh.

I only repeat the same answers because you repeat the same questions.

For the benefit of honestly interested fellows, I'll post scriptures and an answer.

Jesus gave a historical account of these things. He said they're signs the world is coming to an end(signs that'll usher in the end of the age)

Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

This shows one of the realities of the divinity of the God given scriptures. Scriptures are coming to pass. Many have come to pass. Many are happening before our very eyes.

Sin has ravaged this world. And judgement is coming. A revival is about to happen, the gospel is being preached with vigour. These things should not make men doubt God, but should all the more drive men to his refuge and strength. This world is not our own, we look forward to a new heaven and earth where righteousness reigns.

When we preach repent we do not joke. 10,000 people have died. Who knows when you'll die? When we die, we stand before almighty God. Look at the prophecies of judgements upon earth in revelation because of mans sin. This massive disasters are just a sign of what is to come. At a point, the bible says in revelation that although men saw judgement as divine, they refused to repent of their sins and continued to attract more of Gods wrath.

What has happened is just the beginning. Are you insured against the wrath to come? Do you feel remorse for sins you've committed? Or do you rebel all the more and continue in sin?

Now more than ever, the message is required for those who will listen. Would you use this as an excuse to ignore God and prove unrepentant?
Do you continue stealing and adultering and hating and lying and continue in greed and continue to enjoy sin thinking there will be no repercussions? You caress and lust and curse God?

repent. Repent! The kingdom of God is at hand. Jesus meant every word he said. He's coming to judge the living and the dead

Let this happenings not move you to curse God, let them sober you up to the prophesies of Gods word. This world must be judged, let us escape together to a new one in the boat of christ Jesus. People die because of sin. Repent and embrace christ for the washing away of sin and for citizenship of the new world to come.

I do not wish to argue. This is for the benefit of those who honestly want real answers.

Trust in Christ and be saved from the wrath to come. This is not just about fear. Its about you responding to the love and mercy of God.

Deep Sight: Why?

Anyhow, if by Christian you mean one who subscribes to the teachings of Jesus Christ on love of God and fellow man, and as enunciated within the beatitudes, then I am more than proud to call myself a christian.

But if by Christian you mean one who believes that Jesus is God, the only begotten Son of God, Divine, was born of a virgin, died a ritual sacrificial death for the salvation of mankind, was resurrected, ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of God, is coming again to Judge the world, then no, sir, I am not a Christian.

Why do you ask for a "sect". . . sounds scarily cultish to me . . .

do you believe everything Jesus taught and said? Do you believe who he was who he claimed to be?

[quote author=alpha_scorpio]funny enough I don't really like it when atheism/ non religious topics get to front page cuz id1otic religious nutjobs will just jump in and start spewing trash everywhere with their usual threats thereby preventing reasonable and logical discussion. Once an Atheism topic makes front page I don't comment anymore cuz I can't waste my energy arguing with ignorant people with an IQ of -5.[/quote]its mostly insults, mockery and personal problems that prevent reasonable discussions and debates. We're all guilty of that. Both atheists and so called christians.

It baffles me to think atheists think they have a right to abuse and scorn others and their beliefs simply because they don't believe in God...maybe it gives them some self assurance.

Its a shame really.

aManFromMars: And somehow, you're believing in it means it's there?

it is required to be there.
Eternal justice requires it to be there.
Will you debunk justice too? Or debunk consciousness?

How can you say man is a machine who does not have freewill and still say this notion will not promote lawlessness?

Why will you subject a man under the law when he is not responsible for his actions as he does not have freewill.

If a man kills, blame nature's haphazard programming?
If a man lies or rapes, blame nature's haphazard programming?
Humans are not responsible for their actions anymore, since they are only programmed to do so?

I believe man has freewill, created by God, God who had a will and intent in creating man. I believe there's a law written in our hearts, our consciousness, our conscience. Only a lawgiver gives these laws.
I believe that though man has freewill, he's responsible for his actions and will be punished if he breaks the law.

I believe man will only find true satisfaction when he chooses to fulfill his creator's intent.

Deep Sight: Goodmorning sir.

God exists, the earth is a school, but your religion is quite something else

On that merry note. . Hurrah.!

you mean christianity?
I believe its something else. Its out of this world. Its genius.

I'm sure all questions and problems you have with it can and will be taken care of.

ezme: Josh is so afraid of hell.

actually, I am no longer afraid of Gods judgement because I've been saved from it.
Just because you don't believe in it doesn't mean its not there.
Only people guilty of breaking Gods law should be afraid of his judgement and rightly so.
And only then will they look for a saviour.

Good morning sir.

Deep Sight: Lawd knows *hic*

Goodnight sir.

wiegraf: Nature does not have a conscious intent. Blindly doing its thing through time.

The bolded is correct. Who said anything about god??

So according to your bible man uses energy to attain a goal. Exactly what is a machine again?

for petes sake?

1. If your unconscious god(nature) does not have a conscious intent, how does it create machines as you claim, that have an intent to perform an action and cannot but fulfil programming?

Machine:
A machine is a tool containing one or more parts that uses energy to perform an intended action.

2. You just acknowledged that machines do not have freewill.
This shows that man is not a machine as he has freewill. You're contrsdicting yourself.
You cannot state that man does not have freewill, or else he would not be responsible for his actions. Or else the law(even human law) would bear no weight. And there would be lawlessness. Men truly becoming animals. This is what you get by teaching children that they're animals or machines that don't have freewill. They start to act like animals and create a scenario in which they aren't morally responsible for anything, since they are programmed as it were.

wiegraf: Wait first, lemme get my umbrella up first...Ok

Ah, but there really isn't anything here to reply to. Humans are tools, built to handle a function, I agree (somewhat, though it's simplifying). Problem, where? No one said the programmer had to be conscious, no? And it obviously isn't

who built humans wiegraf. I always thought you were an atheist. I didn't know you were just agnostic.

wiegraf: A machine has no choice but to fulfill its programming. I never said we have freewill. We don't.

Nature's haphazard programming is responsible for you, evidence everywhere, see evolution. Exactly why should I discard it?

btw, following your beliefs the intent is clear; do god's will, no? So exactly how aren't humans machines?

smh.
So does nature(or evolution) have intent or not?

So you aren't an atheist then? Since you believe that nature is the creator and God?

And, following the bible, Gods intent for creating man is to do His will. But man shows his freewill by either choosing or refusing to do Gods will.

Dannylux: This is the same with me. I enjoy prayers when It's brief and straightforward. I wonder if making it lengthy unnecessarily has It's benefits too?

not just you sir, God enjoys straightforward prayers.

He gets tired of listening to repeatitive nonsense sometimes. He likes prayers from the heart.

Deep Sight: Which is why an atheist therefore calling man a machine amounts to conceding purpose and intent, snd therefore conceding the existence of God, however described.

Whats going on here, are y'all rats, fraggles or something? I must be crazy, having an imaginary conversation with intoxicated rodents. . .

Take it easy sir.

Maybe its too much stout and pepper soup.

Kay 17: An odd comment from a theist, considering your belief that God preconceived man as a vision prior to creating him for a purpose. Man is likened to a machine in that regard.

my belief is that God preconceived man for a purpose, yes. But God created man with freewill. Man has to choose to cooperate with God.
I'm trying to show wiegraf that even from his basis(which even contradicts his atheist beliefs), man cannot be considered as a machine. Man is not a machine.

You sure say wiegraf never run commot?