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[quote author=alpha_scorpio]I ve told you guys several times to stop arguing with Josh. The dude just keeps spewing absolute trash. Arguing with him is a complete waste of time and energy cuz u re actually arguing with a sheep. I'm sure he'll even agree with me that he's a sheep cuz the lord is his shepherd.[/quote]and you're a goat cuz the lord is not your shepherd??

Lordlexyy: Did you just say God is a fool? You are curse and damn. Judgement awaits you. I curse you with leprosy in Jesus name. It shall manifest now for all to see, and until you publicly bless the name of the Lord, more afflictions awaits you and anyone who associate with you. Bookmark my post.

I believe you should let God do the cursing himself. And the judgement himself. I just hope logicboy will not see the repercussion of his ways, I hope he'll repent.

Here are two verses for logicboy and co.

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

texanomaly: Morning Josh. Not sure I would. Not sure I wouldn't though.

morning ma'am.
I'm very sure I will not.

Why aren't you sure you wouldn't swing there?

I will not swing there.

Where is muskeeto? Na him be that guy wey knell down for road dey do ass-level?

Happy new month everyone. The peace of the lord always be with you.

aManFromMars: I tok am.

Mr Troll: true that.

Una welldone. Wiegraf supporters team.

wiegraf: Aha, don't have much time to burn, not sure why I'm wasting the little I have on you. This your appeals to emotion mean absolutely nothing

why are you wasting your time on me then? Don't you know I'm "irredemably daft"? You should just keep ignoring me like you always do. I don't enjoy repeating the same thing to those hard of hearing.

wiegraf: Just as you claim genocide in the bible is good simply because...god is good!! Hitler appealed to emotions as well, jews are bad simply because they're bad. End result?

when have I ever made this claim? As I said you're only good at seeing what you want to see. Idolatry. I don't enjoy repeating the wages of sin is death over and over when you choose not to hear. God even wiped nations out because of wickedness. But that does not bother you. You'd rather continue in sin and call God unjust. Does that change anything?

wiegraf: Omni.xx god isn't in control then.

Choose one, we either have free will or your god isn't omnixx.x.

And don't spout illogical nonsense or quote your nonsense story book. Don't insult my intelligence. You do so I'll be back with quotes from hustler.

Why would he force you to keep the law? God has released you into the world as a free moral agent. That does not mean you won't answer for crimes in the end. Does a judge not wait for a crime to be commited before the criminal is brought to law? We shall all stand before God to answer for our actions. He might use legitimate threatenings and appeals for different kinds of people to make them keep the law, but in the end, its up to them to keep it. Although he knows who will eventually keep or break the law, justice demands you warn everyone and give each one a chance to make his choice, Is that not true? How is this hard for you who claims to be intelligent to understand?

wiegraf: Self righteousness is a filthy rag, then what the exactly are you doing now?

I'm preaching

wiegraf: You've heard of parole? People getting time off for good behaviour? You've heard of people who've had their punishments mitigated because of other acts of theirs deemed beneficial to society? In fact, you do understand that in order to properly curtail crime, it's advisable to tailor fit the punishment, thereby rewarding good behaviour and reducing potential problems. Eg, if the punishment for armed robbery and murder were the same, then once an armed robber thinks there might be a chance he would be caught, he might as well kill witnesses, no? I mean there's no difference, he might as well do the crime if he's going to do the time.

And btw, most modern societies don't even punish for punishment sake, because they're pissed and want to enact an eye for an eye. The aim is to rehabilitate and prevent, not retribution. The aim is to produce a citezen that would be productive to society, and also make others thinking of becoming criminals think again. But with your yahweh, considering heaven, there's absolutely no need to rehabilitate or prevent. I mean, isn't heaven the final destination? Rehabilitate to what end? Prevent which crimes (or can you still sin in heaven?). It would seem your god just wants to be vindictive, punish people grievously, for eternity.

you do not seem to understand what eternal justification and eternal punishment is wrt eternity. Everyone has his chance to live here. After that is eternity. And what you do here will tell how you'll spend your eternity.

wiegraf: Sometimes even for sins such as being born in the wrong part of the world and simply listening to your parents/society. That's all they are doing, just as you are; listening to tradition. Yet because theirs is the tradition of allah or virshna it seems yah'weh is going to roast them forever.

this is a lie that I have never spoken or said. I do not like being lied about. Place of birth and situation is not sin. Sin is wrong doing. Everyone knows when he does wrong and violates his conscience. This is another case of you trying to believe only what you want to believe and twisting facts to rationale your false claims of God's injustice. You might as well tell me a suicide bomber and terrorist does not sin because he thinks he's serving allah.

wiegraf: This is even ignoring the implications of omnixx, which are he's basically punishing people for his own mistakes. Instead of rehabilitating productively, an ideal we modern humans wish we had conquered but have so far failed at due to lack of resources (unlike an omnixx), he chooses to punish forever. For these silly 'sins' no less. But he's good. And he loves you.

let me repeat what I said, incase it got by you:
]you do not seem to understand what eternal justification and eternal punishment is wrt eternity. Everyone has his chance to live here. After that is eternity. And what you do here will tell how you'll spend your eternity.

wiegraf: Anyways, it seems like this is exactly what you're trying to do; gain favor from yahweh. You've been shown the folly of your ways, time and again, yet you return with the very.same.gaddem.thing... time and again. We've told you time and again we do not care, in fact, if there really were a hell most of us would much rather be there than singing nursery rhymes to feed the ego of an omnixx monster for eternity. The oxymor.on of an omnixx needing you for something sef, let alone singing for eternity...

actually, all you've done is show me the folly of your ways. Was this message adressed to you? It was adressed to those who do care about their eternal wellbeing. God doesn't necessarily need you wiegraf, he only cares about you as a loving parent would. But he will judge you as a just judge. The requirements of justice must be met. We are not the only beings in the universe who watch to see the ways of Almighty.

wiegraf: What in the world do you hope to achieve? Do you actually believe your nonsense has any effect of people capable of the most basic of reason? Look at the amount of nonsense you've spouted in just this post alone, and I'm not even trying. How many times now have these been pointed out to you, yet you still persist? Are you trying to make up for something, some 'sin' you've indulged in that haunts you? You do know this is how people that have something to hide, like say, pe.do priests, behave, right? Is there something you want to tell us?

things are already being achieved, the word of God prospers.
The only thing I want to tell you is this:
The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The son of man shall come to judge the living and the dead.

For the wages of sin is death, BUT THE FREE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD

macof: Christians are never accountable for their actions.

They blame satan for making them sin
And pray to Jesus to talk away the sin

We pagans are very accountable for our actions
When we go against our conscience, we seek for a way to prevent that deed from affecting our Ori, usually by doing a Great good

christians are accountable for their actions to God, just like everyone(including you) is. Everyone will give account to God.
Anyone who blames satan for his sin is foolish. Man is a free moral agent.

Take a judge for example, if you're found guilty of commiting a crime, say stealing, will you say to the judge(let's call him stevens)
"Come on judge stevens, I just washed your car"
Or
"Come on judge stevens, I just built you a house" ?

No, that will be bribe, and a good judge will not be bribed and will ebven punish you more for insulting his integrity.

God is a good judge, he cannopt be bribed. You cannot pay for your evil deeds with good deeds. That would be trying to bribe God. Self-righteousness is like a filthy rag before him.

macof: Some Christians don't understand that every human has conscience which controls morality. They think only them are Moral, upright and righteous

all humans are imperfect and all humans must pay for their imperfection and sins. The very fact that you have a conscience and morals shows that there is an absolute moral law and an absolute moral lawgiver and God.
No one is righteous. Christians have seen that their sins have made them guilty before this lawgiver, and they have embraced the way of escape: Jesus Christ.
Through Jesus, we have become the righteousness of God in Christ.

2 corinthians 5: 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

aManFromMars: Nice way but I'm not going to take this for an answer. My question was would it bother you if you found out any of your family members aren't present in heaven? Would you remain indifferent?

of course it will. It bothers me even now, that's why I pray. I'm even bothered by you, who I do not even know, who has been decieved intricately by the devil to deny reality and mock God.

The Lord needs no patience, he already knows those who are His, doesn't He? If anything, he's just waiting for more unsaved souls to be born so that hell will be full. Funny that most of the world's population would be in hell.

Another terrible conclusion. Yes God knows those who are his, he knows those who will actually finally end up in hell becvause of unrepentance, but he shows his love by patience and faithful chances he gives each person to repent, otherwise he is not a just God.

What's the true image of God? Allah? Yahweh? Chineke? Krishna? And your God sounds childish to be whining about a lack of acknowledgement of his existence from me? Why should he bothered if I acknowledge his existence or not?

What father and creator would not want the eternal wellbeing of his lost child? Would not try to reach out to the child with everything he has?
But be careful, his existence does not depend on you.

Na, i think he's still recovering from the wounds in his hand. I mean, the experience on his way to Golgotha must have been traumatizing for such a daddy's boy/daddy. Maybe, humans chased him away for good.

you are an extremely dry joker.

plaetton: ^^^
And your point is ...........?
That sermon on the mount were parables, to be understood only by the disciples?

that jesus taught the sermon on the mount to disciples. Only his disciples will be prejudiced and persecuted for righteousness sake.

aManFromMars: I guess this includes close family members and friends that you may hold dear to heart.

God is not a respecter of persons. The wages of sin is death.

Considering it took God a week to build the universe, and Jesus 2000years and counting to build mansions for less than a quarter of the world population, I guess much intellect would be needed in heaven, human intellect.

why are you showing your ignorance? God is ready. Scripture is being fulfilled, but the lord is patient, not willing that any sinner will perish, but that all may come to repentance. He's waiting for you muskeeto.

God is Love. God is Life. God is Death. God Is. Everything. Check your Bible. From the Old testament God, a vengeful bloodthirsty maniac that delivered swift judgment, to the New Testament God that holds grudges till the last day. I wonder what your definition of LOVE IS.

since you choose to be idolatrous, I will not answer to this statement. You see what you want to see. But you know the absolute. You will meet the real God in judgement, not his false image you have created in your idolatry

And you think man wouldn't succumb to such temptation also?

Smh

Where's this Jesus?

he's alive in heaven, waiting for his enemies to be made his footstoll, waiting for the appointed time to come and judge the living and the dead. Waiting for you to repent before its too late.

May God not surprise you that day, maybe he'll have a change of heart and forgive us all. Then all you works here will be useless, and you'll be like the prodigal son's brother who cried in the kitchen while the prodigal son was chopping turkey and nama in his return party.

the prodigal son repented. God is love, but he is not a fool who cannot differentiate right from wrong. He's a righteous judge. If you're unrepentant, you shall perish. Why would he make you come to his kingdom and live under his rule? The wages of sin is death. The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

As to being spotless and blameless, there's no assurance even for the Christian. One flirting thought.. and it could all be over..end up in the same place with me and a host of others..

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

God will keep us. That's where a lot of christians fail. They think its by their power that they stay away from sin and walk in righteousness. No. By Gods power. We only cooperate with God. The just shall live by faith.

ONE ADVICE FOR YOU..

see post above. We are kept by the power of God.

Kay 17: Nooo that's not my question, my question is why do we suffer?!

sin, not necessarily your sin, but sin all the same. God has promised a world without sin and death where righteousness and life and peace will prevail.

Here in enugu we've had stable light supply for some time now, about 20 hours a day. Until today. I want to believe its because of the handing over or whatever they're doing tomorrow.

obadiah777: that nigga iyanya is 50 years old. he is my uncles age-mate. they both went to iyana ipaja high school

FOLYKAZE: And how does this relate with bible? Lazarus and the rich man story is entirely different.





Unless you will dance Etigi or makossa in heaven cuz it sin. No DJ, no clash/chaos cuz this bring transformation....remember your God change plans?



God is love but created evil huh?

People will dislike heaven when you remain at a spot for eternity without a progressive or regressive change. So baby will remain baby forever, old mama remain that forever and goat remain that forever. Even my old mama said she wish to become a boy....you think been a woman not good? She wanted to change but cant so that will make people dislike parallel and stagnant heaven. Growing or cutting short is necessary but cant happen in heaven. At end, dem go dislike there





Because bible called us God. Ye are Gods who can differentiate between good and bad.

Yahweh is the servant of Most High but upgraded status in the heaven council. If we are God, we can be in same level with Yahweh..





Everything in life is vanity. What then is reality? Heaven. What takes you to heaven? Death.


#suicide

Do you really believe this stuff you wrote or are you just trying to humour me?

Divepen: it has been writin... Wait a minute,server overwhelmed....even @ midnight-I tried it till i slept at to 5 this morning

sir, have you been using the same device? Try using another device to start a thread and see if the same thing happens.

plaetton: Is that the way your brain works?
He saw the multitudes waiting for him, he climbed on top of the mount to address the multitudes, he disciples, as expected, came up the mount to be nearer to him before the commencement of the sermon.

Now you are saying that the multitudes were excluded?
Is that how your brain works?

You are also implying by this silly gymnastics, that whatever truths Jesus may have preached to his disciples , is somehow not applicable to his multitudes of followers?
How absurd can you people really get?

smh. Let me repeat another verse incase you didn't see.

Matthew 13: [b]1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. 3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying,..........

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. ........

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.[/b]

Logicboy03:

the e-war between logicboy03 and ishilove is ended. To your tent o israel. Thank you for spectating.

plaetton: ARrrw!
Here we go again.
Recourse to spiritual understanding bullshyt again.
Happens when they hit a firewall of reason and get trapped by their own irrationality.
lol.

When Jesus spoke to the multitude on the mount, did he ask them each to come with their spiritual-understanding cards in their pockets?
Silly.

And secondly, Paul is an A-hole. So don't quote him for me.
Like I said at the beginning, I dont give a rat's bottom about what any other apostle said or wrote.
My concern is with what Jesus told me at the Sermon on the mount.

Unless, of course, you want to convince me that Paul's epistles supercede the direct teaching of Jesus?

it seems you didn't read my original post well. Let me repeat that verse again:

Matthew 5: 1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: 2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them,

He taught his disciples, not the multitudes. Do you see now?
Your whole write up has been cancelled by this. Simple.

Logicboy03: That is even more wicked. Refusing to acknowledge the burning people in hell. Willful ignorance



Worship god? I have seen most christians talk about music. They hardly even mention gospel music. Worshipping is boring. No one ever brought popcorn to a church congregation.




God is also vengeance. "Vengeance is mine saith the lord" Romans 12;19. Vengeance is not love.



Why not?

What is the point of being in heaven and not being able to do cool stuff? It would be like taking your child to the candy stores and letting him fawn over the candy without allowing him to touch one



death gives life meaning. That is a fact. You wont even bother to be typing here convincing me if we had all eternity to have this argument. Death means that we have to do things before we die. Eternity means we can do things anytime we want- no fear of death



Heaven is not a wonderful place....your fave rappers would be dropping bars in 1000 degrees in hell

you're still mixing up christianity and religion. When you see real christians, you see people who worship God, in praises ans lifestyle.

Popcorn? Smh. You guys don't know what you're missing, being anle to worship and commune with God and ask him questions and answers.

What are you saying about vengance? You yourself said the person has repented.
You don't know what heaven is.
The reason we're arguing is because you don't have eternity to look forward to if youcontinue in sin. You only have eternal death to look forward to. That's bad



This is the most flawed and biased and prepostrous comeback I've seen in my life.smh

plaetton: You are flatly wrong sir.
Flatly, with emphasis.

The sermon on the mount was not for disciples.
It was for the general public.

Or are you now insinuating that Jesus can say one thing to his disciples and then say a contradicting thing to the general public?

Whom did Jesus come to save , his disciples, or the whole world?

Do you see how silly your argument is?

sir, I gaveyou scriptural evidence from matthew chapter 5. When I say the word is spiritually discerned, you'll be the first to call foul play.
Here's more evidence that Jesus taught his disciples more than he taught the public, he even taught the public in parables and explained it to the disciples:

Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

There's also scripture from mark and luke.

Jesus taught mainly his disciples, he gave the crowd some teaching too, but he taught mainly his disciples.
This is because, as paul said, deep spiritual things are learned and compatible and taken in only by the spiritual.
Paul preached the simple gospel to men and spoke with wisdom to the people of God.

1 corinthians 2: 1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew:...

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1. We won't be looking at you, we won't even mind people who are not in heaven, they made their choice: for the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life

2. Who says heaven will be boring? This is a devlish rumour from hell. For starters, you will be able to worship God in the beauty of his holiness, if you've ever worshipped God before, you'll know that its something you'll look forwaerd to. Again, we will have fellowship with God. Again, some people claim that the intellect will be useless in heaven, this is another lie from the pit of hell. God did not create the mind to be useless, we will have a new earth to cater for and tend to according to scripture. The mind will just be in its proper place, subject to the spirit.

3. What do you mean people who we dislike? Smh. God is love. What you've just said is unbecoming.

4. Why do you want to be God? We are children of God, who imitate God, trying to become God is the worst of all pride and rebellion and is what got the devil and the world where they are today

5. Death does not give life meaning lb, you know this in your heart. You only say this because you're an atheist who does not look forward to eternity with God. Jesus said we should work the works that would last for eternity. Life with God has meaning that transcends death itself. Christ gives meaning. He said if you want to find your self, you must lose yourself for his sake. Jesus is the center of it all.


Heaven is a wonderful God filled righteous place. We're looking forward to it. We don't want anyone to perish for his sins, receive Jesus today and receive righteousness, freedom, and depth of life with God.

2 peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

plaetton: Are you trying to say that one aspect of Jesus teachings can supercede another aspect?

I'm trying to say two things sir.

1. Jesus was talking to his disciples, his followers, who believed in him and believed he was the messiah.

2. Righteousness has a definition. If you fail to meet up with the standards of righteousness, then you"re not blessed.

Interpret scripture with scripture sir. Yes. One aspect of scripture can shed more light and explain another or bear witness with another.

As image123 has said, are you jesus' disciple?

OLAADEGBU: Thank God you're wrong.

rationalmind: What has all these gotten to do with the fact that such verses are basic tactics used by every religion and every cult leader to brainwash and numb the brains of their followers. Is what I said that difficult to understand? Let's say I'm brainwashed as you want to believe, how does that disprove what I said about the verse and several others.


Why not pick up this book and read. Understanding mohammed: a psycobiography of Allahs prophet by Ali sina. There is a chapter there towards the end where the author tries to draw parallels between mohammed and other cult leaders. They all use the same tactic. They Say outright nonsense, absurdities, insane statements, stupid words and then tell you anyone who says its wrong is foolish and is perishing just as the bible verse said.

I really don't know what else to say o. I just tire

who is tiring for who? I don't know why you won't take time to read and understand a post before commenting.
I said if you're brainwashed or deluded, your lifestyle will bear witness. If you're speaking the truth, your lifestyle will bear witness. Do you understand now?

aManFromMars:

take it easy nwokem. I'm not mad. Have you not heard igbo soul music before? Life? Death? Hardship? The world? Stories?