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rationalmind: There is no evidence at all. Be it scientific or non-scientific.

this is a blatant lie.

firestar: Sagamite: He reminds me of those giant lizards who 'owns' land: komodo dragon, crocodile for instance. I DARE you to doubt me.

Feraz: I think he loves things that has art, wire, alloy and game.

Siena: His moniker and wheels sync.

InkedNerd: Amazon sister

Efemena_xy: Ink is her whip.

Seun: I thinks he likes lawn tennis...

CameroonPride: Jaye-jaye

Onila: (pats her pretty little head)

SniperInAdiaper: Warrior. She protects Hers. Yours. Ours.

Frosbel: Armed Soulja

Goshen: Deep water

Rockatation: She has an artistic mace

190: Benz

El Guapo: Heh.

Centje: surgical procedure : art

You never cease to amaze me with your unusual posts sometimes.
You have a special way of thinking.

Logicboy03: .

what are you doing here lb?
You cook?

rationalmind: Hahahaha, what were u thinking? That u were about having a convert? Wake up brother. I remain my humble agnostic (tending towards atheism).

You asked me to read passages of the bible with an open mind. You can also pick up the quran and the book of mormon and read with an open mind.

Did I just noticed you said God is real? Funny cos you and I know you have no single scientific evidence to back that up

post modified. You can thank me later.

If God fits into scientific evidence, he ceases to be God.

[quote author=david_hume]Lol!
See as they all act as if you never posted this?[/quote]

RationalDude: @op, you said that God is love and according to the bible, this is the definition of love:
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Do you honestly think that the God of the bible has these qualities?

Yes, God has all those qualities, and as elantracey said, he has more. Let us be balanced. God is love, but that does not mean he doesn't have a sense of right and wrong.
He is also a consuming fire, it is a fearful thing to fall into his hands.

rationalmind: Lol. This is religion for you. Everyone with his own interpretation. I'm just hearing this your interpretation for the first time.

this isn"t religion, this is life and death, serious matter, its written in almost all my threads, its what christianity is all about. I'm sure this is not the first time you're hearing it, its just the first time you've listened. I adjure you to go and study about Jesus and his prophecies and his life in the bible with an open mind and especially the things he said. You can start with the gospel of John, then matthew. This is serious stuff. Is death not serious?

God is real. He is judge, he offers humanity a way out of death and sin.

FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH, BUT THE FREE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD

Ihedinobi: Uj, my perception


Na lie o. Say wetin na? Debosky don old finish, im pikin dem don ger gray hair



Is it my fault? Na when una defeat me wey I go admit defeat na!


Which slandering? Ok I'm sorry, sir, I didn't mean to reduce your age so much. I don't know what I was thinkin. You are in your sixties, sir. Old age is a blessing and the hoary head a crown of wisdom. Amin!

JMAN05: He could be called a God but not the almighty God. two Gods are mentioned there. one the word/begotten son while the other is a Father.

you're shooting yourself in the foot:

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

rationalmind: So, as long as they don't violate Gods moral laws written in their minds, no matter their disbelief in Jesus as the saviour and the way, they will make heaven.

Lol, I just hope you realise the implication of what you just wrote cos it also means, as long as I (an agnostic) does not violate Gods moral laws written in my heart, I will make heaven

why do you even want to make heaven sef? I thought you didn't believe in it because it cannot be proved by empirical science?

rationalmind: So, as long as they don't violate Gods moral laws written in their minds, no matter their disbelief in Jesus as the saviour and the way, they will make heaven.

Lol, I just hope you realise the implication of what you just wrote cos it also means, as long as I (an agnostic) does not violate Gods moral laws written in my heart, I will make heaven

yeah. As long as you have never sinned in your life and you're a perfect human being, you'll make heaven. That's Gods standard, perfection in holiness. Jesus came to save those who were imperfect and those who have sinned. He is mighty even now, to save those who believe in him from Gods wrath through Gods mercy.

rationalmind: Good. I have a question. Will muslims and other adherents of the almost other 4200 religions other than christianity make heaven? Remb muslims in particular mock trinity and don't believe Jesus is the son of God.

Please note that their only crime was that most of them were unlucky to be born in families where those religions are being practised. So, we really can't say they wilfully sinned. Or did they?

this is untrue. There is no unwillful sin(wrt the quoted statement)
1. Their crime is to sin, to sin isn't when one is not "born into the christian religion", indeed one cannot be "born into a relationship with God(which christianity is). Their crime is violation of God's moral law which is written in their minds(like it is in all of sane humanity). Once one sins, its wages is death, irrespective of mental or spiritual or religious or irreligious standing.
2. Sin unites all mankind as guilty, everyone has lied and stolen and looked at another lustfully etc. And the wages of sin is death. Our conscience bears witness to the fact that we sin. Muslim or christian, barbaric or civilized, rich or poor, refined or not, atheist or not, you cannot deny sin. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. All stand condemned. But God loved us enough to have mercy on us and give us a way of salvation. He bore our own punishment for us, and set us free through Jesus Christ. This is the gospel. There is no need to die, or to continue in the pleasures of sin unrepentant. Times of ignorance are over. We have been sent to spread this good news to mankind. Whoever believes and accepts the loving sacrifice of Jesus is saved. Whoever does not accept pays the full penalty of his sins and bears Gods wrath in Hell. God is holy, and he cannot allow sin to go unpunished. You see, although this might seem a trivial matter, it is more serious than you can ever grasp. It is your eternal salvation and well being. You choose.
But one thing is sure, the almighty cannot be mocked:
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our lord

God is patient, but he will indeed punish sin. Sooner or later, he will indeed punish sin.

rationalmind: If I get your point, the reason people won't make heaven and suffer in hell is if they wilfully sin. Correct me if I'm wrong.

yes it is.

woky: joshthe1st

Long time

yeah. How life?

Alwaystrue: Jesus the Word of God testament was wholly enforced at His death but it did not limit His working while alive for He forgave sins even before He died. Matthew 9:6.

And the disciples used the name of Jesus even before His death. Luke 10:17.

So when Jesus tells us a manner to pray, do not think it is not relevant because 'in Jesus name' was not added for you are already praying through Jesus as a believer. When we pray in the Holy Spirit or we pray the word of God as a believer, we are praying in Jesus name. I really do not know how else to explain it to you.

okay ma'm. Thanks

Alwaystrue: You may as well say all Jesus said before He died is not relevant then using this same basis you are bringing.

Is that not why He also died partly to ratify the agreement and make valid His testament? I though we had discussed this before. Jesus was not speaking of Himself, all he said was direct from God. He is the Word of God

yes he is the word of God...
But was the lords prayer part of the agreement he put forward between us and the father?

Alwaystrue: A discussion that will make us search the scriptures more, more like.

@Joshthefirst,
I understand your point.
The person bearing the name Jesus Himself gave us a manner of prayer to pray. So is the whole reason why that prayer is no more of relevance to you is because 'in Jesus name' is not there? Possibly you may not realise that that very manner of prayer is 'in Jesus name' already for it was Jesus that gave us that manner to pray. So anyone who wants to pray can as well finish it with 'in Jesus name I pray' to be rest assured then.
It seems you have brought a new angle to this o.

When I say God bless you, please believe it is in Jesus name, even if I did not add 'in Jesus name'.

hmmmm.
But what about the lords prayer? When Jesus taught them that prayer, his name was not yet exalted.?

We even speak in new tongues and perform signs in Jesus' name:

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

Here's a prayer that was prayed (to God and answered by God) by the early church:

Acts 4:24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: 25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? 26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. 27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. 29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, 30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.

31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

I believe the scripture has guidelines for prayer.
John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. 25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Alwaystrue: @Joshthefirst,
We do not even know how to pray but the Holy Spirit enables us. The thing to note there is that Jesus said 'In this manner therefore pray', it is all about the manner of prayer for He put thanksgiving first before any other prayer and that is how Jesus often started His prayers. Jesus noted valid points for prayer there that we can emulate if we do not even say it as exactly as He said it there.

If anyone decides to pray exactly that way in today, there really is nothing wrong as well for all prayers are to be prayed in the name of Jesus.

We pray all manner of prayers to God Eph 6:18 and this is inclusive.

What I find so strange is where you said the prayer is not to be prayed now. Hmmmmm

ma'am. I believe as you said, that we have many principles to learn from the lords prayer, but in this day of his resurrection, I believe our prayers are adressed to the father in Jesus' name. The lords prayer was not in Jesus' name.
We now boldly stand before God through Christ Jesus. And we pray all of our prayers in his name. Indeed, we are to do all things and give all praise to the Father in Jesus' name

damilarelr: You need to read this with an open mind leaving out any form of indoctrination. So here we go:

Some people still pray this prayer:

'And forgive us our trespasses...AS WE...forgive those who trespass against us'! (Matt 6:12)

I once thought that was the perfect way to ask God for mercy since it was generally referred to as 'The Lord's Prayer'!

But I was surprised to find out that it was the church that generally refers to this prayer as 'The Lord's Prayer'!

Now listen carefully: this prayer is NOT meant for believers!

Have you ever come across a verse in the New Testament after the resurrection of Jesus where any disciple of Christ prayed the so called "Lord's prayer"?

This prayer was a perfect prayer for people in the days of Jesus who believed Jesus was the Messiah but had not become beneficiary of the New Covenant yet because the Holy Spirit had not yet been given because Jesus had not yet been GLORIFIED! (John 7:39)

That is why the prayer begins with:
Our Father
who ART IN HEAVEN...

This implies a sense of distance between 'those who are praying' this prayer and the 'Father' they are praying to!

Listen; the day you became born again, God made you SIT together with Jesus in HEAVENLY PLACES at the RIGHT HAND of God!!! (Eph 2:6, Heb 1:3, Heb 10:12)

If you are a believer, you are not praying to a Father 'who art in Heaven'!!!

You are praying to....ABBA Father!!!

The Bible says:
'And because ye are SONS, God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, ABBA FATHER. Wherefore thou art NO MORE a servant, but a SON; and if a SON then an heir of God through Christ'! (Gal 4:6-7)

The word 'ABBA' implies that you are now SO NEAR to your Father! (these are not made up words)

The Bible says:

'But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes WERE FAR OFF ...are made NEAR by the blood of Christ'! (Eph 2:13)

Stop having a sense of distance between you and your Father!

It is good we learn to rightly DIVIDE the word of Truth whenever we read the Scriptures.

Let's get back to where we started from on the prayer of forgiveness.

'And forgive us our trespasses...AS WE...forgive those who trespass against us'! (Matt 6:11)...AS WE...

Before Jesus died, He said to His disciples:

'I have yet many things to say unto you, BUT YE CANNOT BEAR THEM NOW.' (John 16:12)

You see, one of the Truths which Jesus deferred to tell the disciples was the Truth of ...PERFECT FORGIVENESS...as a result of His death on the cross! (read further before you call for my head)

He told them in the next verse:

'Howbeit when He, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, is come, He will guide you into ALL TRUTH...' (John 16:13)

Now let us see how the Spirit of Truth taught us about the forgiveness of sins in the New covenant.

'...forgiving one another, EVEN AS God for Christ sake HATH FORGIVEN you'! (Eph 4:32)

Did you see that?

Before Jesus died, He said....'And forgive us....AS WE...forgive those who trespass against us'!

When the Spirit of Truth came, He said....'forgiving one another, EVEN AS God for Christ sake HATH FORGIVEN you'!

Wow!

The former teaches that....you should forgive others SO THAT God will forgive you....

The latter teaches that....you should forgive others BECAUSE God has forgiven you!

The reason you find it difficult to forgive is that you are yet to understand how much God has FORGIVEN you!

When you understand that on the day you became born again, God did not only forgive you of your past and present sins alone...but also your FUTURE sins (Col 2:13-14), you will begin to forgive others even before they offend you!!!

'We love....BECAUSE....HE first loved us'! (1john 4:19)

Do you believe He loves you unconditionally?

If yes, then you will be empowered to LOVE others unconditionally! (Luke 7:47).

Remain in His Grace.

blessed be the name of the lord.
The lords prayer was to be taught during the transitional period. Jesus taught it to the disciples because he had not yet gone to the cross to establish a new relationship in his name.
We can learn many things from the lords prayer, but now, we pray to the father in Jesus' name

John 16:19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me? 20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy. 21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world. 22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you. 23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. 25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Jesus meant what he said. He was going to die, nd they would have sorrow, but then, he would ressurrect with a new covenant enacted with his blood in his name. That is why he said "in that day.."
He said hitherto, meaning up until now, you have not prayed in my name. Ask and you shall receive.
We pray to the father in Jesus' name. We do not even pray to Jesus, and Jesus does not pray to the father for us.

The lords prayer is not to be prayed now, though we learn a lot of princips from it.
Pray to the father in Jesus' name

ledafaze: I heard a joke on radio the day before that ASUU should please make sure the strike lasts at least 9 months so the school girls that got pregnant would have been delivered of their baby before resumption....

I nearly cry for laughter inside bus~



Good Morning family...

Good morn everyone.
Have a blessed day.

HumbledbYGrace: Thanks Chi

You're welcome ma'am

HumbledbYGrace: I understand you guys, I have been out of the scene for the past two weeks, I was not able to dig through the section and dish the best topics for fp recommendation. Our admin had to pick something, they are busy and had to pick those.

I promise to do my best and help in spreading the gospel.

thank you ma'am.
And as a mod, I know you will also do your best to make this section prosper. Generally speaking.

Very very edifying.
It has also answered my opther question.
Thank God for his plan of salvation.

Wow! Really edifying. Strong stuff.
For the carnal mind is enmity with God, because it cannot be subject to Gods law.

I would like you to pou some things in better words sir.
I think I understand, but just to be safe, what do you mean by man was created perfect but was not yet perfected(do you nmean perfectly enlightened?)

Eebrahym: This people are here again with their abnormally long post..................just passing sha

don't you like to read? Its a good habit. If you had started reading that, I don't think you would have stopped

Thank you sir. For this edifying message.
I agree with it. It has helped build me up this morning. I will continue to keep the flesh under by continuing in the word of God. My life will continue to bear witness to the message that Christ saves from sin. In Jesus' name.
Blessed be the name of the lord.
May the church rise up. May we walk in God's word
God bless you sir.

texanomaly: Hello Josh. How was your day?

sorry ma'am. Sleep knocked me out.
I had a not-so-nice day yesterday.(I don't want to talk about it)
I will have a nice day today. By Gods grace.
Have a nice day ma'am

Pastor Olu T: Good morning HBG,
I am calling on you n all true concerned Christians on NL to look at what is happening on this forum. What exactly is the criteria for making frontpage from this forum?
As religion forum from the Christian section, threads that make frontpage aren't those that truly teaches what we believe as Christians n can learn from. U see threads like "Describe your church in one word" making frontpage while those that exalt Christ and His teachings hardly find their way there.

Our mods should please recommend threads that truly portray what we believe as Christians for the frontpage so that we all can learn n be blessed.

I support this. The threads that have been making frontpage lately might make an outsider think only dunces fill the religion section.
Please let the threads that make frontpage be edifying and provoke deepthought in the hearers. Thank you mods for your co-operation.
Have a nice day

HumbledbYGrace: Who are you?

macof: You call ur ancestors ape-like
True because humans are ape-like but you can never refer to the ancestors of the Jews like that.

Yet you haven't realized that you have been slaved.
Yet you claim to have knowledge

Heaven is not for you, hell is warming front roll sits for u.
no heaven for a child that disrespects his father

What are you saying?
Smh
Logicboy would probably disgrace you in public if he was in my place.

Ishilove: Seriously I didn't notice. When did he come back?

I think its been like a month now.