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solite3:
Jesus and God is one Spirit.

for where , where did u read that ? kikikikikj

Oga why are you running away from my question it won't bite you.
There is only one true God which is the supreme God.

very good , read John 17:3 where Jesus identified his Father as the only true God

All other gods are false whether angel or man
Now is Jesus a TRUE GOD OR NOT.
YES OR NO

Jesus is neither a true God nor false God. the same way he is not a good person or bad person. he said only is Father is good person , does it mean he is a bad person ?

apply the same logic and all my previous points will be clear to you

solite3:
since that verse is not literal why did you take it to mean Jesus was created.you have just defeated yourself.get well soon o. You are not making sense

did I talk about verse been literal or literal wisdom ?

solite3:
sincerely you are not making sense. Yes or no answer the question instead of dribbling yourself.
It is either Jesus is God(true God)
Or not ( false god).

@ bold oga get well quick

nobody is dribbling you man, you are the confuse person . the issue of true God or false God only applies to the sovereignty of the universe which doesnt belong to Jesus.


for example, the bible call humans Gods ... it will be foolish to ask if humans are true or false Gods because we don't fit into any of that category . our being God is due to having some authority not that we are the supreme being.

so also Jesus is not the supreme being , thus that question is invalid.

you can only ask if Yahweh is a true God or false God because he is the supreme being.

solite3:
sincerely you are not making sense. Yes or no answer the question instead of dribbling yourself.
It is either Jesus is God(true God)
Or not ( false god).

@ bold oga get well quick

nobody is dribbling you man, you are the confuse person . the issue God or false God only applies to the sovereignty of the universe which doesnt belong to Jesus.


for example, the bible call humans Gods ... it will be foolish to ask if humans are true or false Gods because we don't fit into any of that category . our being God is due to having some authority not that we are the supreme being.

so also Jesus is not the supreme being , thus that question is invalid.

you can only ask if Yahweh is a true God or false God because he is the supreme being.

This thread is making me love the Jehovahs Witnesses the more... see how they are unite in their teachings, but there opponents are scattered in their teaching.


solite3, nd brocab ... do u agree with johnw74 that Jesus is Gods spirit ?

Jesus is Gods spirit .... another error from johnw74, how can someone say Jesus is holyspirit ?

zodiakzax:
I didn't see any Lamb in rev 22:16, this shows you don't even read what we post here... smh... pitty.. read it again or maybe it isn't in your bible?

did I told u there is lamb there ? i said " you can as well say "

Rev 22:16 , i dont really undestand ur obsession with that verse .

zodiakzax:
which part of the link says wisdom in proverbs 8:22-30 is talking about literal wisdom? Show me please.

" Solomon is taking an impersonal attribute of God and personifying it " ... link.

solite3:
Solite still loading.next will be on the overwhelming proof that Jesus is God. but first I want to ask all Jehovah witness this question

IS JESUS A TRUE GOD OR A FALSE GOD.
since you said Jesus is a God, is it not good to know the type of God he is?

that question is only valid if Jesus is God in the sense of being the Supreme being, but he is not... he is God in the sense of been a Mighty one not supreme being.

solite3:
this question should be directed to you, it was you who said wisdom was created

receive sense , that question is only meant for someone who thinks the wisdom of proverb 8:22-30 is a literal wisdom.

zodiakzax:
this only shows how unlearned you are on this subject. When Paul made that statement wasn't Jesus already in heaven?

yea, but he was speaking with reference to Jesus mission on earth as a man, that is to " gave himself as a ransom for all " 1 Tim 2:6

Whether He has a genital or not, that does not concern me.

hahahahaha be specific , doesnt concern u my foot ? ... get ready to accept whatever that comes with ur irrational theories, what about BLOOD aftrall he is a human being? remember flesh and blood cnnot inherit the kingdom of God.

He's God and is a our High priest and He's still having the nature of man. Rev 22:16? Waiting...

Jesus is God in the sense of being a Mighty one. but he is not God in the definition of the supreme being- 1 cor 15:28, he has a God he worships too

*** and what happen to Rev 22:16? u can as well say Jesus is a literal lamb since he was calld a lamb

johnw74:
phony jw, I said exactly what the bible verse said, which you obviously don't believe:

quote johnw74: "the Word is not created, He is God's Spirit"

Isa_48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

By the way you added to, and took away from what I said, so you also get a new name


Lie Lie jozzy

hahahahahaha, See what removing Gods name from the bible did to johnw74.

isa 48:16 " and now the sovereign Lord Jehovah himself has sent me, even his spirit " .,. Isaiah testify that Jehovah sent him through his spirit !

it didnt say Jesus is Gods spirit as u said

zodiakzax:
is that what you think the link is saying? Really? Lol.. you havn't made a Lil sense since you started with your arguments. Asking dumb questions
.

not a dumb question as u think. i believe u only wanna use that to evade the point

if proverb 8:22-30 is talking about literal wisdom, does it mean there was a time Yahweh lacks wisdom ?answer

johnw74:
fancy thinking I would give pearls to phony jozzy or to any false jw

bookmarked. its on record that u said the Word (Jesus ) is Gods spirit ( holyspirit)

got ya.

johnw74:
zodiaczax, jozz probably only knows about proverbs 8:22-30 because I done a short post on it here at this forum long ago.

In proverbs 8:22 the Hebrew word "qanah" can mean create, and it can mean possess, I say possess because
it aligns with John 1:1

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

also the Word is not created, He is God's Spirit.

Isa_48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

I have no problem for the Word being created, in as much as He was made into another person, and that's what happened at that time, but His Spirit has always been in God, the Word has always existed in God, He was set up, God bought Him forth.

Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

I won't say more here at this thread, but that gives you something to study on.

I'm going to read from that link you gave and I may learn something as well.

be of good cheer

john, the Word is Gods spirit ? do u mean Jesus is Gods holy spirit ?

zodiakzax:
please read this and let me know what you think:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_wisdom_created.htm


And if that Is the case then what you are saying that Jesus was created is true then. But that is not the case Prov 8 is not talking about Jesus. Wisdom was indeed with God but also note that wisdom said she was there when the world was created but Christ was the one who created the world as we know. "All things were made BY Him and without Him was not was not anything made that was made. Wisdom is one of the Sephirots used in creation. You can understand better if you also read about it here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokhmah_(Kabbalah)

the link maintains that the verse is speaking of literal wisdom, so that means Yahweh was a time dull and without wisdom ?

zodiakzax:
have you read your answers? Does it even make sense to you? I've given you those scriptures and comparisons bcs Jesus did what God alone can do. And please Jesus was never addressed as our Father because it was through Him eternal life came from. John 15 Christ called the apostles brethren. We are joint -heirs with Him. He asked us to call God Father. Where did you get that info from. Give me one scripture that says Jesus was called Father? He's everlasting Father same us God.

Micah 5:2(ISV):

As for you, Bethlehem of Ephrathah, even though you remain least among the clans of Judah, nevertheless, the one who rules in Israel for me will emerge from you. His existence has been from antiquity, even from eternity.

And He's the Mighty God. Wanted to see if you guys interpret it as mighty god. You don't even know what you are doing. Satan is always limited in his wisdom.

Jesus have a God he worships too , therefore he is not the supreme being. 1 cor 15:28

zodiakzax:
you didn't answer my question. I believe none of us wrote the Bible here, in fact it doesn't matter what my brother Johnw74 thinks, it doesn't even matter what I think. What matters is the truth so answer my question and stop talking nonsense. And besides we are not like you guys, if am wrong he can simply tell me what he thinks and give me his reasons and I will also do my research to see if it's true. Any reasonable person who wants the truth will do that. In any ways you can read this if you want.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_wisdom_created.htm

proverb 8:22-30 , personified wisdom claims to be with Yahweh in the process of creation, no other person but Jesus Christ

zodiakzax:
, really? Is that the best explanation u can come up with? Wow!! Hahhahahaha, maybe Paul doesn't know the difference between "Person" and " Man". And the rev 22:16? What do say about that? I only know man is use to represent a human being not an angel.

Oga, Jesus once been a man , retains the description of man. this doesn't mean Jesus is flesh and blood, with intestines, anus , or male genital in heaven ... tell me , do u agree Jesus have blood, and a male genital in heaven ?

zodiakzax:
go back and read what he wrote and which part of the scriptures teach you that Jesus was the one mentioned in Prov 8? You claim He was arch angel Michael right? So how can prov 8 possibly be Jesus? And "she" is used for wisdom there. Give me one scripture that reffered to Jesus as the one mentioned in Prov 8. Most at times scriptures in the old testament is used for Jesus but how come prov 8 has never been used.

stop displaying ignorance here

even phony johnw74 knows proverb 8: 22-30 is talking about Jesus

zodiakzax:
Really? Then are you saying these scriptures are wrong?

1 Timothy 2:5English Standard Version (ESV)

5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus..


What's does the Man Jesus Christ mean to you?

Rev 22:16 kjv “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the ROOT AND THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID, the bright morning star.”

What does the statement "I Am the root and the offspring of David.." mean to you? "I am" present tense not "I was". Offspring of David makes Him still a Man and that was why He used the present tense "I AM" because He's still the Man Jesus not an angel.

Home work for you:

How can He be both the root and the offspring of David? If you can understand this you will understand why He is God and calls God the Father my God.

1 Timothy 2:5 is only addressing Jesus as a person, which is why man is used not that Jesus is a human being with flesh nd blood, intestines, lungs, pancreas, male genital , or do u mean Jesus still hve all this ?

Barristter07:
johnw74






You didn't say "did captivator said he worshipped angels ?"
,

I asked brocab ' did HE said he worshipped angels?

, despite the fact that its clear I represent captivator with the PRONOUN " he " . grow up
.

dont mind phony

alexis:
Jesus knew he was going to die and He knew that he would resurrect on the 3rd day. So, he knew the conclusion of his crucifixion, his death and resurrection.

Lol, he never ask u dis Sir.

He said , did Jesus knew the end of the conclusion of things ?

alexis:
Jesus knew he was going to die and He knew that he would resurrect on the 3rd day. So, he knew the conclusion of his crucifixion, his death and resurrection.

Lol, he never ask u dis Sir.

He said , did Jesus knew the end of the conclusion of things ?

brocab:
Is the word of God deceiving you, because I write what the word had said, and you believe I am deceiving myself?
No you are deceiving yourself. Did you know not even the disciples, argued against the word of God, as much as you argued against it.

the scriptural point is clear, so this noise is uncalled for

brocab:
The lord that you do not know "say's he is my judge-So who are you, and who gave you any authority to make you judge?

hypocrite, and you could judge someone of watching indecency , isnt it ? I wont be suprised if thats what u indulge in.

brocab:
Solite3, dolphinheart always twist the words around, its only because he is loosing the battle against Christ.
Listen Dolphinheart sits at home everyday, kicking himself over the loneliness he lives, His twists the words we speaks only because his spare time is over the top 'he watchers porn all through the night, he writes between times on this page-to make it look like he is up with the news.

What! See rotten speech coming out from a so - called christian.

You need serious help. *sighs*

brocab:
Interesting. Elohim {Genesis 1:26} God said let us make man in Our own image. "LET US" When Elohim create's humanity God reveals Himself to be but one God.
And in {Isaiah 45:22} Turn to Me and Be saved, all to the ends of the earth, for I Am God and their is no-other.
Does Elohim mean Jesus came here to save the world and everything in it.
Elohim never lies. I Am the Lord your Elohim You shall not have no-other God's before Me {Exodus 20:2-3} Moses the prophet of The God Who does not lie, encougage the Israelites to take to heart this day, that the Lord is Elohim in heaven above and on the earth below. There is No Elohim besides Me. {Deuteronomy 4:39}
In the bible it was Elohim who walked in the garden, made a covernant with Abraham, wrestled with Jocob and spoke out of a burning bush. There was only one, It was Elohim who thrundered from Sinal, gave victory to Joshua, sanctified the temple and spoke to the prophets.
This God the God who does not lie, reveals Himself to be the only God there is, "Turn to Me and be saved" all you ends of the earth, for I Am Elohim and there is no-other. {Isaiah 45:22}
The God of truth says; See now that I Myself Am He, there is No Elohim besides Me. {Deuteronomy 32:39} [/color]
Plus the JW's don't preach anything that makes any sence, two gods one god, they don't know the differenece 'even if it is written in their own NWT bible.

Stop deceving yourself, the apostles make it clear that Jesus is not the God of their forefathers . they are jews , so they know what they are saying:

" The God of our fathers raised up Jesus , whom you killed, having hanged Him on a tree." Act 5:30

Continue deceiving yourself.

OLAADEGBU:
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" (Genesis 2:7).
[s]
Here you see Adam's spirit and soul imparted to him directly by God. Read your Bibles [/s] .

U are a liar .

The scripture above said God breathed into HIS NOSTRILS the breath of life. Not that he imparted a spirit entity to his body. Nostrils pls.

And besides he became a Living Soul not given a soul. Became pls.


You are a confirm liar . am happy the bible is xposing you

Goshen360:
1 Cor. 13:8-11

8. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

9. For we know in part and we prophesy in part,

10. but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.

11. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.

The gift of the Spirit was given to the early church to validate and proof the truth of their teachings. The gift of the Spirit itself doesn't give salvation to man. It will only be a childish christian running after gifts of the spirit rather than the word of God. The bible is not complete during the early christian days. That's why Paul said, we know (gift of knowledge) in part and we prophesy (gift of prophesy) in part. This is because the word of God, the bible was still in pieces then. When this parts are then put all together, which makes the bible a complete or perfect, the parts disappeared.

The complete bible had replaced all these gifts of the spirit. The bible reveals all prophecies of the past, present and future. There is no and will not be any new prophecies and revelations to man other than what is revealed in the bible.


"Now I commit you to God and to the word of his grace, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified. Acts 20:32

the underlined really got my attention. well articulated

DelightUche:
My brother, the issue of prophecy is real. God has the power to expose things. [size=27] However, Many of those people whom we call prophets are using occultic power. [/size] some have entered into special agrrement with unseen personality and forces who helps them x-ray the future.

people like you are scarce. the bold is right ... expecially during this economic hardship that people just wanna make it. Jazz

Arosa:
Your so called friend gave the prophet all your details. there is no juju involved.

LolZ