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johnw74:
no, true true pharacee
pharacee jw and their supporters love to lie

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

the guy gave u a fitting name : lie lie John

look out Jesus said a DISCIPLE. where in the bible ? none , u just lied.

update: na Jesus movie

dogmatism is affecting the thinking capacity of some people.
how can the Almighty God have a God ? plain contradiction.
use your brain guys , God has blessed u with it

[quote author=solite3 post=45790171][/quote]quote Revelation 1:4-6 , lets see clearly if Jesus is Him who is , who was and who is to come

2) as barister pointed out, the greek meaning of Almighty is never used for Jesus, the person speaking at Rev 1:8 is called Almighty, ruler of the universe , oga solite ... ,is Jesus the ruler of the universe ?

johnw74:
@bold, now now, your upset, I know you hate the truth

@red, in one of the Jesus movies is where I saw and heard a disciple say to Jesus " look out Jesus, they are trying to trap you"
I don't remember which movie I've watched most of them.




The pharicees who are today's false jw's did try and trap Jesus in His speech
matthew and luke testify of it, Jesus Himself said to the pharicees who are today's false jw's “Why are you trying to trap me?”


Matthew 22:15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words

Luke 11:53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions,
54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.

Mark 12:15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?” But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.”

You can see there that false jw are exactly like the pharacees
false jw are the modern day pharacees, and like the pharacees of old, they love to lie over and over again
and to try and trap people in their words just like the pharacees of old did



false jw's agree with the Pharisees that Jesus isn't God

the Pharisees denied the Trinity and the Deity of Christ, so do false jw's

the Pharisees denied the physical resurrection of Christ and salvation by grace alone, so do false jw's

false jw's are todays pharacees and they love to lie just like their fore fathers.

in one Movieeeee not the bible hahahaha

lie lie John , lol

OLAADEGBU:
How did you know?

from the Bible - Gen 3:19

@ dolphin heart and barister .

this your friends are funny o , they quote Rev 1:12 that John turn to see the voice speaking to him , when its clear he is reffering to the voice speaking in verse 10 and 11 telling him to write to the congregations .


lolzzzzzzzz.

solite3:
Revelation 1:8 is really about who was speaking n that person was Jesus
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the endingsaith the Lord which is,which was, and which is to come,the almighty.

Jesus IS NOT Him who is , who was and who is to come . (Rev 1:4-6] Jesus is a faithful witness of that one .

its Him who is, who was and who is to come ,Jesus God and Father thats speaking in verse 8 .

PLEASE NOTE VERSE TEN AND ELEVEN
VS10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day,and heard behind me a great voice,as of a trumpet.
11. [size=28] Saying [/size] I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, what thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto pergamos, and unto thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia and unto Laodicea

@ saying : thats when Jesus speaks

we can see that it was the same voice that identify himself in vs 11 as Alpha n Omega is the same in vs8

your own focus is alpha and omega. SO WEAK ! two people sharing same title doesnt make them same person , your desperation to insert Jesus into verse 8 when its clear that the one speakin is not Jesus ( Rev 1:4-6] is weak. can u say Jesus is actually the 12 apostles because both ar called APOSTLE ?

AND WHO IS THAT PERSON?
Vs 12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13. And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

your case is pathetic o, John turn to see the voice that speak with him in verse 11 SAYING
he should write to the seven congregations of Asia

[size=28] 11: Saying [/size] I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, what thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto pergamos, and unto thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia and unto Laodicea

not the voice of verse 8

Again the question is about who was talking and who referred to himself as Alpha n Omega in those verses

Even Jesus and his 12 disciple are all called "APOSTLE" mr . ur point is weak.

Read verse 1: 4-6 , the scripture did a perfect Job separating Him who is, who was and who is to come from Jesus the faithful witness.

johnw74:
@bold, you do err, it is your god satan that is chief of liars

his spirit can be seen in you right now

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. [size=27] When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: [/size] for he is a liar, and the father of it.

bold fits you @ johnw74

Barrister don show you pepper , pls mr liar where did a disciple tell Jesus he should look out they want to trap him ?

brocab:
Don't change the subject everyone knows Jesus is the Son of God. I have written this because I know you won't read it down the page, but at least someone will, and they will work out who the true lairs are. And as sad as it always sounds the JW's have a bad record in doing such, IS LIE.

King James bible explains it like this>{Revelation 1:1-18} "A Revelation by Jesus Christ" which God gave Him, to show His slaves {servants} the things that must shortly take place, and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John.
{V 2} Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that John saw.
{V 3} Bless is he who reads, and those who hear the words of this prophesy, and keep those things which are written in it for the time is near.
{V 4} John to the seven churches which are in Asia, Grace to and peace [size=26] from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come.
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{V 5} And from the seven spirits who are before His throne. [size=27] And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, [/size] the first born from the dead and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To him who loved us and washed us, from our sins in His own blood.
{V 6} And {Jesus} made us Kings and priest to HIS GOD THE FATHER to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever Amen.

BROCAB , can you see that HIM who is , who was and who is to come is IS DIFFERENTIATED FROM Jesus Christ ? @ bold.

{V 7} Behold {Jesus} He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him.
{V 8} [size=35] And Jesus said [/size] " I and the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end" Say's the Lord. Who is and who was, and who is to come the Almighty.
New World Translation bible>{V 7-8} Look He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of Him. Yes Amen.
{V 8} I am the Alpha and the Omega say's Jehovah God. The one who is and who was, and is coming the Almighty.
Jehovah witnesses believe the Almighty Jehovah God is the one returning back to earth. "Not Jesus".
king James bible>{V 9} I, John, both, your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patients of Jesus Christ, was on the Island that it is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
{V 10} I was in the Spirit on the Lords day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as a trumpet,
{V 11} saying I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the Last, and what you see write it in a book and send it to the seven churches, which are in Asia.
{V 12} THEN I TURNED TO SEE THE VOICE THAT SPOKE TO ME, AND HAVING TURNED I SAW SEVEN LAMPSTANDS AND IN THE MIDST OF THE SEVEN LAMPSTANDS. ONE LIKE THE SON OF MAN
Did you miss this scripture Mr Barristter 07 does it frightened you, John had seen the Son of Man standing behind Him talking to him. Not Jehovah God standing behind Him, unless you believe Jehovah is Jesus?
{V 17} And when I saw Him, I feel at His feet as dead, but He laid His right hand on me, saying to me do not be afraid, I Am the first and the last,
{V 18} I Am he who lives and behold I Am alive forevermore, Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of death.
This is even written in your bible, John saw Jesus standing behind him, Jesus is the one who lives and is still alive forever and ever. This is not Jehovah God, unless you believe Jesus is Jehovah God?
So does this make any sense to you Mr Barristter 07 the lair Himself?
GOD SAID NO-ONE HAS SEEN HIM AT ANY TIME, BECAUSE GOD IS SPIRIT.


BUT YOU JEHOVAH WITNESSES BELIEVE JEHOVAH GOD IS COMING BACK AND EVERY EYE WILL SEE JEHOVAH GOD COMING WITH CLOUDS, AND THOSE WHO PIERCED HIM, AND ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH WILL MOURN BECAUSE OF HIM.
And not JESUS coming back..
How silly does your doctrine sound. Haven't any of you JW's have any faith in Christ at all?

the bolded strikethrough is a lie, not in the Greek manuscript . only a lie needs such spurious addition.

brocab:
Its funny you JW's disagree with {Revelation 1:7-8} and this verse is written in your own bibles. I see dolphinheart had run away once more, leaving the dickhead to pick up the pieces.
We have answered {Hebrews 1:8-9} time and time again and none of you can understand the scriptures.
Maybe you should answer {Hebrews 1:8-9} and fill us in how this scripture should sound? I have already heard it from dolphinheart, who is and who was, and who is coming isn't Jesus, now lets here it from you' explain {Hebrews 1:8-9}

I promise to explain Rev1:8 once you: tell me your view on Heb 1:9 which is about Jesus having a God ?

brocab:
None of you JW's can answer any of the scriptures we have given you, first question was {Revelation 1:7-8} and all I had received' is the run around by [size=26] you dick heads, [/size] refusing to answer the question.
And you have the cheek to question myself, when you have all proven to me you are such lairs and cheats when it comes to the word of God,
refusing to answer {Revelation 1:7-8}
Not only myself but Solite3 and others had answered {Revelation 1:4-6, Revelation 1:7-8, Hebrews 1:8-9} time and time again, and still none of you can comprehend the word of God.
New World Translation bible has told the world In {Revelation 1:7-8} Jehovah God has the same qualifications as Jesus, same nature, all from the same God head {Trinity} written in full-Jehovah God is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, who is who was and who is coming, who was dead, and is a live for forevermore. Every eye will see Him coming in the clouds. Amen.
And yet I have watched you deny the truth, running too and fro from all different directions from one bible verse to another trying to prove otherwise, [size=25] Listen dick heads [/size] your Greek bible scholars had written such truth in your own bibles, claiming Jehovah God is Jesus.
Accept the truth and move on.

explain heb 1:9, u are busy calling me dickhead , is that what I asked you ?

oga, explain the verse .

solite3:
what is this one saying who is talking about a god subject to another God

" When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all " 1Cor 15:28

Truth 101. sink that into your heart

dolphinheart:
brocab, I believe you are educated, I strongly hope I not wrong. I believe you have the capacity to understand a request and answer it accordingly.

brocab, I didn't not ask you to examine different translations
I did not ask you to just qoute verses, look at what I asked you well well.

brocab, pls QUOTE and EXPLAIN rev:1,4-6 , heb 1:9 And then tell us who is TALKING in rev 3:2,12.

SIMPLE REQUEST!

I know you, I know you will do anything possible so as not to quote those scriptures and show the world your views on those scriptures. you must have been cracking your brains on how you can explain those verses to make it look as if it surpports your doctrine, but you cannot. hence you decided not to quote and explain them!
you prefer to be jumping left and right. your latest attempt is to quote different translations but refusing to share your understanding of any!

brocab, if you dont want to quote and explain those scriptures,pls leave it!

the brocab of a person is ridiculous, am expecting his response to heb 1:9,

solite3:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font] You Just said that Jesus is the same nature with God.ha author=dolphinheart post=45463090]
the disciples never prayed to become God
yes christ divine nature in christians is the spirit of christ in them or the spiritual embodiment of christ in them.Does that mean they are now God? But christ by nature is God.
yes we shall be like him cos he is already like us in perfect ways
yes Jesus is God's image Exactly no difference. where does the theory of Almighty n mighty emanated from

[s what is this one saying, so nature does not determine servitude, can God be a servant? Is it possible? There are humans who choose not to serve God,that is called abandoning there purpose it is called sin same thing with angel.All things were created for God's pleasure n it is called service.

yes

can the Almighty God have a God he is subjected to ?

brocab:
Now this is the last time I will write the scriptures for you, if you still don't understand what I have copied from the bible, then I advise you to crawl back under that rock from where you came from, and stay there, until Jesus returns.
I simply asked you a question and you answered it, not changing the topic, but making it more interesting-while you are writing' I have noticed you don't used your own bible in any of the verses you have laid out on this page, and yet the JW's swear your bible is 100% truth? And while You have claimed our bible doctrines are a pack of lies, you still prefer to use them to prove your point. And not your own bible?
New Would Translation bible {Hebrews 1:8-9} {This verse points it out clearly who God is speaking too, "but it shows the JW's had change one simple word that had changed man kind-drawing them further away from the truth}
New World Translation bible {V 8} But about His Son, He say's God is your throne, forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.
King James bible {V 8} "But to the Son He says: "Your throne O God is forever and ever, a scepter of righteousness and a scepter of your Kingdom.
{It shows who made the switch, with the word, one bible had changed history, the New World Translation, had removed the truth away from the scriptures. While the King James and many other bibles that follow stands fern' who God is speaking too, "God had called His own Son God}
New World Translation bible {V 9} You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God had anointed you.
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King James bible {V 9} "You have loved righteousness and you have hated lawlessness. Therefore GOD your God had anointed you with the oil of gladness more than your companions.
So it seems both bible"s have a slight difference between them. Enough to change the truth away from God's people.
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New World Translation bible {Revelation 1:4-6} John to the seven congregation + that they are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and the peace from "the One who is and who was and who is coming, + and from the seven spirits, + that are before His throne.
{And of course the JW's don't believe the One who is and who was and who is coming, is Jesus}
king James bible [Revelation 1:4-6} "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before His throne.
New Would Translation bible {V 5} "And from Jesus Christ, "the faithful witness" + "the first born from the dead, + and the ruler of the Kings of the earth. " + To Him who loves us + and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. + -
King James bible {V 5} And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first born from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood.
New World Translation bible {V 6} And he {Jesus} made us to be a kingdom, + priest + to his God and Father-yes, to him be the glory and the might forever Amen.
King James bible {V 6} And {Jesus} had made us kings and priest to His God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever Amen.
New World Translation bible {Revelation 3:1-2,12} {Jesus speaks to the JW's and said} I know your deeds, that you have the name that you are alive, but you are dead, become watchful + and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your works fully performed before My God.
King James Bible {Revelation 3:1-2} {Jesus says} I know your works, that you have a name that you are a live, but you are dead, be watchful and strengthen the things which remain that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.

but you didnt explain that Heb 1:9 now @ bold , why ?

solite3:
Jesus said he came not to do his human will.There is a difference between his divine nature and his earthly nature.Jesus came took servanthood on HIS OWN

Jesus is Jesus ! Mr man

even in heaven, the Father is my God - Read how he declared this in Rev 3:12.

and for ur information Jesus will forever subject himself under the authority of his God and Father - 1 cor 15:28

tossen:
Apparently u are guilty of this too .
See Here... The bible clearly said THEY not. Some people.

baseless. who are the "they" ?
" and by your blood you ransom PEOPLE for God" Rev5:9

tossen:
Looooooool! Okay. This is why we teach people not to live with ''bible reads'' but '' bible means''... This is so weird.

no wonder u call the new earth heaven and also call new heaven, heaven too .. next time

"Do not go beyond what is written." - 1 cor 4:6

tossen:
I hope you get a trophy for manipulation. I made my explanations clear. Enjoy yourself. Truth is clear. The bible is clear. Apparently this is the purpose of your Christianity... Pin pricking and putting peoples words apart to mean something else.

ur explanations are not biblical.

the bible never call heavens , the earth not to talk of calling it the new earth.

tossen:
Wickedness of man is purposely ignoring what someone is saying. New earth is d heaven man talks about... When we say we r going to heaven. Our heaven is the new earth provided for us. New heaven is Gods heaven.

Good night. Don't be wicked by refusing to acknowledge this explanation. Its unfair... And makes a debate futile

you are wrong, heaven is above ... Earth is here.

when many people said they are going to heaven, they meant Gods abode not new earth

for ur information, the new Earth is not yet in existence , the bible calls it " the COMING inhabited earth " heb 2:5

tossen:
Wickedness of man is purposely ignoring what someone is saying. New earth is d heaven man talks about... When we say we r going to heaven. Our heaven is the new earth provided for us. New heaven is Gods heaven.

Good night. Don't be wicked by refusing to acknowledge this explanation. Its unfair... And makes a debate futile

Follow the bible, call it what the bible said it is.

heaven is earth ?

tossen:
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Heaven is not earth [/size] . New earth is the heaven we aspire to. New heaven is Gods place. If you cannot see it in Gods eyes... Spiritually and u are analysing God with ur human knowledge, then u don't know who you claim u serve. Heaven is not earth. All the saved will be in heaven -( new earth.) God and the celestial bodies will be in heaven -(new heaven)

look at you, u said heaven is not earth YET new EARTH is heaven ,OMG!!! confusion

tossen:
Heaven is not earth. New earth is the heaven we aspire to. New heaven is Gods place. If you cannot see it in Gods eyes... Spiritually and u are analysing God with ur human knowledge, then u don't know who you claim u serve. Heaven is not earth. All the saved will be in heaven -( new earth.) God and the celestial bodies will be in heaven -(new heaven)

hahahahahaba All the saved will be in heaven.


God and the celestial bodies will be in heaven too, isnt it ?


madam, u are still describing heaven alone.


error

tossen:
Let me put this to final rest. Why I disagreed with ur sister Jessicha. She was wrong while quoting her Bible talking about new heaven and new earth saying some people will be in heaven and some will be in earth. This heaven and earth will pass away and will be replaced with a new heaven and new earth. The righteous will not be separated. Or ranked. They will All be together. Not some on new earth, some on heaven. I didn't want to argue. But let me give my final piece on this thread I hope you will take your time to read.

if the bold is true, can you please explain this verse that clearly reveal some will be in heaven with Christ and others on earth ?


" And they sang a new song, saying,
“Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.
”
Rev 5:9,10

___ point 1: this verse said some people from every tribe and language and people and nation will be kings and priests to our God, where did God live ? this clearly point to heaven.

- point 2: it stressed further that this selected people will RUle over the Earth ' this cannot be an empty earth, people will be there

NOTE: this is dual, they rule in heaven at the same time over those on earth.

Many people have a misconception of what heaven is truly like. Revelation chapters 21-22 gives us a detailed picture of the new heavens and the new earth. After the events of the end times, the current heavens and earth will be done away with and replaced by the new heavens and new earth. The eternal dwelling place of believers will be the new earth. The new earth is the “heaven” on which we will spend eternity. It is the new earth where the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city, will be located. It is on the new earth that the pearly gates and streets of gold will be.

Heaven—the new earth—is a physical place where we will dwell with glorified physical bodies (1 Corinthians 15:35-58). The concept that heaven is “in the clouds” is unbiblical. The concept that we will be “spirits floating around in heaven” is also unbiblical. The heaven that believers will experience will be a new and perfect planet on which we will dwell. The new earth will be free from sin, evil, sickness, suffering, and death. It will likely be similar to our current earth, or perhaps even a re-creation of our current earth, but without the curse of sin.

Cc jessicha , tempem

heaven cannot be earth ! they are two different location

cooltobex:
Hi. At Pentecost, the apostles and others disciples spoke as the Holy Spirit gave them utterance (you could read it for yourself in Acts 2). And till today, those who genuinely speak in tongues as the Holy Spirit leads, speak as He gives utterance, don't call it "unintelligible".

What do you even mean by "unintelligible"? That's an insult on the Holy Spirit's person, you know!

I like the underlined, but the UTTERANCE of the apostles is not abubucadadadadada shidaraaaaa rarafafa , u know ?

There are two kinds of tongues the Holy Spirit gives.

really, two kinds ? but ur pastors could only go fot the abaracadabra type while ignoring speaking in foreign tongues ?

u must be joking man .

One is a special gift of His called the "gift of diverse tongues" Or "different kinds of tongues" (1 Corinthians 12:10), this kind is for communicating with people of other languages. The Apostles and disciples needed it because they had to reach people from other parts of the world.

where is it today ?

Can u speak in foreign tongues like the apostles did on pentecost?

Then there's the kind everybody gets when they are baptised with the Holy Spirit, which Paul called "mysteries" in 1 Corinthians 14:2. His words, "For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him...he speaks mysteries."

So, you see the difference? One is a special gift, given to a select number, meant for communicating with man; and the other given to everyone that's baptised for speaking "mysteries" to God which no human can understand.
Thank you.

I blog about the gospel @ www.stillsmallvoiceblog..com
Do visit. Remain blessed.

lie! lie !

the apostle paul is not supporting abracadabra at 1 cor 14:2

1 cor 14: 2-6





2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with [size=25] tongues [/size] , but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification. 6 But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?



can u see the bold @ tongueS, which proves apostle Paul is discussing speaking in foreign languages ?

at1 cor 14:2, Paul said no man understands him because the person sounds like a foreigner to his listeners, hence the need for an interpreter , therefore :


"
If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me.


12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church. "

13 [size=24] For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. [/size]


1 cor 14: 11-13

hahn:
Lol. Read what you wrote AGAIN. How many hours come be one day before?

thats why u need 1pet 3:8 for proper enlightenment.

I already read it. What about Genesis 5:5 which says Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

good! if u read 1pet 3:8 , does 930 years equal 1000 years ( which is a day ) ?

He died but not because they ate the fruit.



Read carefully:

In humans, ageing represents the accumulation of changes in a human being over time,[1] encompassing physical, psychological, and social change. Reaction time, for example, may slow with age, while knowledge of world events and wisdom may expand. Ageing is among the greatest known risk factors for most human diseases:[2] of the roughly 150,000 people who die each day across the globe, about two thirds die from age-related causes.

" The causes of ageing are unknown ; current theories are assigned to the damage concept, whereby the accumulation of externally induced damage (such as DNA point mutations) may cause biological systems to fail, or to the programmed ageing concept, whereby internal processes (such as DNA telomere shortening) may cause ageing.

The discovery, in 1934, that calorie restriction can extend lifespan twofold in rats, and the existence of species having negligible senescence and potentially immortal species such as Hydra, have motivated research into delaying and preventing ageing and thus age-related diseases.

You can do more research @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing

the bold part of your article admits scientific research dont KNOW what cause ageing.

Crap. We only suffer because we are human and it is part of life.

Let me ask YOU a question. Why didn't god just forgive Adam and Eve and the devil so we would be living happily forever. If god knew that the devil would tempt them, why didn't he warn them afterall it was their first sin?

Using your own brain, do you think that what god is justified? First by lying and second by punishing ALL generations. Why didn't he just punish Adam and Eve? Why all the evils?

you still have no prove for ur baseless assertion of lying, unless u can give me evidence of Adam living more that a thousand years.


then u asked: why didnt God forgive Adam ?

its like u dont know humans, you interact with people day in day out, so I believe u sud know better.


Devil challenge Gods authority to rule saying we humans can decide right and wrong for ourselves. that implies independence from God in making decisions and thus we can rule ourself without Gods interference, can we ?

to answer this question, God gave mankind and Devil the chance to rule ourselves, that WILL CLEAR ALL DOUBT ON WHETHER WE HUMANS CAN SUCEED WITHOUT GOD OR NOT.

now lets say God forgives: some humans , infact majority will say " life would have been much more better if we are independent, There is nothing God do that will satisfy us cos we will feel we can rule ourselves"

the decision to allow us rule ourselves is a wise one .


for example: lets say a neighbour of urs approach ur child saying " ur dad is cruel , he hide alot of good things from you" ur child said " NO" , then the person asks " which school do u attend " .. ur child said " UNN nsukka " ... the neighbour replied " rubbish, u see what am saying Cant he sponsor u ABROAD, he has the money ... if u live with me I will send you overseas for ur education and provide everything for u not like ur father who retains u in this useless country "

Now ur child approach you: Dad , I wish to go and live with Mr Onyeka , please allow me ?


hahn, will you allow him ?

- if u say YES ... i will ask why ?

- if u say NO ... can u live with the lifetime consequence ?

@ Edelweiss44 and enilove.

" I gnashed [size=25] my teeth [/size] but no form of all these expressions made me feel better… "

pls, does it mean the so called immaterial soul have teeth toooooo ?

donbenedict:
i'm sure you knw very well that his ways are not the ways of men..

honestly, this guys just display ignorance.

like a fan thats switch off, the fan wont stop immediately ... it will take some time but it will eventually stop.

God himself when he said DAY doesnt imply a 24hour period , his statement at Gen 3:19 confirms that.

" By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, TILL YOU return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.” Gen 3:19

the capitalized word reveals that even though Adam is now cut from his source of life like a fan, he doesnt imply immediately. but one thing is certain the fan will stop , Adam will die . and he did

hahn:
Genesis 2:17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, [size=40pt]for in the day[/size] that you eat from it you will surely die."

Abi you sef no know wetin [size=40pt]in the day[/size] mean?



See proof that your god is a lying machine below

oga, a DAY with God is 24hours ? , honestly u guys wont cease to amaze me with ur poor reasoning.

for more information.. read 2 peter 3:8 and then tell me if Adam didnt die in a day ?

Your god told more lies than the devil.

Devil told them the truth, afterall they didn't die.

where is Adam ? afterall he didnt die.

Your god lied that they would and they only ended up dying as a result of old age.

what cause old age ?

On top of that, instead of punishing, the so called all loving god punished their generation till tomorrow. And it didn't solve anything. Your god is the cause of all the hardship in the world.

u dont expect a bread produced from a bent pan not to have a bent pattern, do you ?

mankind suffer because they came out of Adam - Romans 5:12

BiafranNigerian:
We never really die.

Satan's teaching

' you will surely not die ' Gen 3:4

the OP problem is that he views a day with God as 24hours . when the scripture says a day with God is a thousand years.

i dont think Adam spend a thousand years , he died within a day - 2 pet 3:8


the liar is Satan who said they wont die, but today the evidence speaks that satan remain the greatest Liar in history

Joagbaje:
He defeated hell and the devil in hell for my sake.

Revelation 1:18

18 -- I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

No. 1 the scripture u gave says nothing about Jesus fighting and defeating devil and hell. i dont know where u get that from.

No. 2. here is your first statement.

Joagbaje

He was made sin. he took my place

with the above statement, you are actually telling us Jesus replaced you in hell.

if Jesus replaced you in hell, and the penalty for your sin in hell is that you will burn forever in hell, TO REPLACE YOU AND TOOK YOUR PLACE, JESUS will have to suffer ur penalty, to validate ur statement: did Jesus suffer ur penalty in hell ?