₦airaland Forum

johnw74:
Lie Lie jozzy





" the Word is the spirit of God" - johnw74

Liarrrrrrrr, chai - Jozzy4


" The Word is the Spirit of God " - johnw74

why u dey lie like this ? - Jozzy4


He is God's spirit - johnw74

Liarrrrrrrr, chai




Job_33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.






the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit - johnw74

why u dey lie like this ? - Jozzy4




1Co_2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

1Co_3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?



1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

^^^ that verse is talking about false jw jozzy

I know my point is too hard for u. U commit many blunders such as the Word is Gods spirit, and my question is : if the Word is Gods holyspirit, are u now saying the holyspirit became Jesus ?

Answer!!!!

zodiakzax:
I had wanted to keep quiet but I just can't understand the way u understand scripture:

Let's list certain things for u, you believe prov 8 is about Jesus correct? Good, does proverb 8 mention the name of Jesus? No, yet you said it's talking about Jesus, why? Because you believe based on the statements in prov 8, there's only one person that can be fit into that chapter(scripture interpretation).correct? I bet. you claim it's Jesus but was Jesus' name mentioned? No. Now Romans 8:9 mentioned the Spirit of God and then mentioned the Spirit of Christ as one and the same Spirit. Let me quote it to

Romans 8:9Amplified Bible (AMP)

9 However, you are not [living] in the flesh [controlled by the sinful nature] but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God lives in you [directing and guiding you]. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him [and is not a child of God].


If the Spirit of God lives in you...BUT if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ,... what does it mean? Paul used the Spirit of God and the Spirit as one same Spirit. Scripture interpretation.

Common sense. I believe any learned person will understand this. If You want scripture to say God's Spirit is Christ's Spirit, like my bro said you can't find anywhere the same way you can't find anywhere that prov 8 is talking about Christ yet u blv it's Christ, and the same way no scripture says Christ is angel Michael yet u think He is. Now why do you want us to show where it is stated that the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ? When you yourself cannot show us the Christ is Michael.Can't you see the irony in your question? Or should I say your stupidity? And even if there's a scripture that says so you guys will not accept it bcs You would have already changed it in your bible, eg "and the Word was God" yet you say " and the word was a god" you changed scripture to suit your doctrine, so it would have been done again just to suit you blasphemous doctrine .

anger takes away a mans thinking cap... very true.


I never asked him to show me if spirit of God is also called spirit of Christ. so next time comprehend well

@ Romans 8:9 ... the spirit mentioned there is the holyspirit which is called Spirit of God or Spirit of Christ , the son of the Living God.

his statement was : God nd Jesus is one Spirit.. this is what I asked him to show me ! unless u wanna tell me God and Jesus is holyspirit...

But then we say and confirm to you that Pro 8 does not talk about Christ so whether created is used there or not I have never said prov 8 is talking about Christ and we gave you a proof of it, the same way Christ is not an angel which we explained to you too. The link I gave you used a bible version that used the word create bcs of the the question asked. Questioner used create, should he use possess to explain? No, no learned person does or will do that. Do you understand now? if not then show this comment to your teacher to explain to you bcs your brain is not matured enough to comprehend these things.

@ bold , Create is used there confirmed by the greek Septuagint , if going by ur interpretation .. its talking about the Impersonal attribute of God, Wisdom . then answer me, does this mean there was a time Yahweh Almighty didnt have wisdom ?

johnw74:
Wow, such confusion and lack of understanding, and twisting, and straight out lies in all his posts




Lie Lie jozzy







I have never said Jesus is not the word, and you cannot post a quote where I did, that's another lie from Lie Lie jozzy

I never mentioned Jesus (flesh and blood) I mentioned the word (Spirit) that's what I was talking about,
the Word became flesh, but you cannot understand and so call out liar like a good little false jw.







Lie Lie jozzy, I have always said the Word became Jesus Christ, as for Jesus Christ being God's Spirit, I wouldn't discuss it with false jw who hasn't a clue and cannot have because he has been blinded through unbelief.







Lie Lie jozzy


Yet you cannot show a single lie.







No lie there at all, that's perfectly true






Again no lie there at all, that's perfectly true







I never said Jesus is the Holy Spirit
I said the Word is the Holy Spirit
It's not to do with Jesus being the Word
I was correcting your misquoting me all through these posts







I said the word is God's Spirit, no lie there.







No lie, again I was correcting your misquoting








Lie Lie jozzy


Of course the word is the Spirit of God, look at scripture I posted, < that was silly, telling false jw to look at the scriptures
Of course Jesus Christ is the Word, read John 1
Of course the spirit of God is the Holy Spirit, who else could the Holy Spirit be, God is Holy, God is Spirit.


such confusion and lack of understanding, and twisting, and straight out lies in all false jw jozzy's posts

someone earlier said to cover a lie, more lies have to be told . thats so true and beginning to see your true color.

you admit Jesus is the Word, only for you to deny this again simply because u know the consequence of your statement. and am suprised ur fellows cant correct u with this nonsense u are spewing, the Word is Gods spirit but Jesus is flesh and blood. u are now trying to separate the Word from Jesus christ ? u are a damn liar .


LET me tell you more :

going by your analogy , if the Word is Gods spirit .. you are actually saying Gods spirit ( holyspirit) became Jesus , do u know ?


this is the height of blindness

solite3:
it is the implication of what you said ,or the meaning of your words . Let me post it again

its no more what I said but the meaning of my word . *sighs* kindly go and sleep .

solite3:
do you know d mini of scriptural?

contained or from the bible.

and am happy u cant verify ur statement from the bible. the worst part was u showing how dubious u are by giving me Romans 8:9 that says nothing about Jesus and God been one spirit . only for you to later admit its not in the scriptures, why give bible verse in the first place ?

solite3:
do you know d mini of scriptural?

contained or from the bible.

and am happy u cant verify ur statement from the bible. the worst part was u showing how dubious u are by giving me Romans 8:9 that says nothing about Jesus and God been one spirit . only for you to later admit its not in the scriptures, why give bible verse in the first place ?

solite3:
why will I need to Identify the true God? [size=28] When you said there is nothing like true God or false God. [/size] Seriously you need help

liar , show me where I said there is nothing like true God or false God ? lets see who need help

solite3:
did I tell you that there is a scripture that says Jesus and God are one in spirit?

not scriptural hahahaha

why do u now gave me Romans 8:9 when u know its not scriptural but another solite3 version of lie ?

solite3:
Romans 8:9

lolz, it doesnt said so , another liar.
show me where scripture said God and Jesus is one spirit ?

solite3:
Jozzy hahahahahaha .O my o my you sweeten my day. Shallum

John 17:3 will help u identify the Only True God.

johnw74:
I never said "Jesus is God's Spirit"

see lie,

johnw74

He is God's spirit

Liarrrrrrrr, chai

and I never said "Jesus is the Holy Spirit"

Even though the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit,

why u dey lie like this ? @ underlined



" The Word is the Spirit of God " - johnw74

Explained below :

" Jesus Christ is the Word " - johnw74

" the Spirit of God is the Holy spirit" - johnw74




why u dey lie like this ?

johnw74:
I never said "Jesus is God's Spirit"

" the Word is the spirit of God" - johnw74
" Jesus Christ is the Word", -,johnw74
Liarrrrrrrr, chai

and I never said "Jesus is the Holy Spirit"
Even though the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit,

" The Word is the Spirit of God " - johnw74
" Jesus Christ is the Word " - johnw74
" the Spirit of God is the Holy spirit" - johnw74


why u dey lie like this ?

solite3:

what is your problem ?

am still waiting for u to show me where the Bible said Jesus and God [size=25] is one spirit [/size] ?

Johnw74 is a chronic liar

johnw74:
Jesus Christ is the Word , duh
like I said you don't understand anything


Lie Lie jozzy

now its official, you declare Jesus Christ is the Word . so That means Jesus Christ is Gods spirit ?

johnw74:
Truly, He is



Lie Lie jozzy

buhahahahaha , if you now admit that Jesus is the Word , why do u now lied uv never mentioned Jesus when u mentioned the Word ?

johnw74

To start with you need to know that the Word is Spirit, and Jesus is flesh and blood, I haven't even mentioned Jesus here,

solite3:
Jesus and God is one Spirit. Oga why are you running away from my question it won't bite you. There is only one true God which is the supreme God. All other gods are false whether angel or man Now is Jesus a TRUE GOD OR NOT. YES OR NO

go back and read my response to you.

johnw74:
Lie Lie jozzy



The word is the Spirit of God as shown in scriptures earlier
The Word (Spirit) was made (flesh and blood) Jesus Christ

Like I said you have no understanding at all

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

the Word- Jesus Christ , abi ?

confused johnw74

johnw74

the Word is the Spirit of God

with that statement, johnw74 claim the Word is the holyspirit .

who is the Word ?

johnw74

the Word-Jesus Christ

https://www.nairaland.com/2010346/jesus-really-god/13 .


confession . on top all your denial

alexis:
Let us try and educate you a bit. Indoctrination can be a hard thing to shake off. The phrase, "firstborn of all creation," is not dealing with time but status and position. It does not mean that Jesus is the first created thing. It means that Jesus is the one who is preeminent, the most important. Read Hebrews 1:15-17 closely especially verse 16.

Jesus cannot be the first created thing because the Bible says in verse 16 that He created all things. Of course, God is not created, so when it is referring to all things being created by Jesus, we must conclude that He is divine, God manifested in the flesh when He was on earth. Naturally, this would mean that He is the preeminent one. This is the teaching that JW has issue with even though it is stated in the Bible, both yours and ours.

JW also claim that it was Jehovah that gave Jesus the power to create all things. Such doctrine can easily be refuted. In (Isaiah 44:24), it says: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, 'I, the LORD, am the[b] maker of all things[/b], stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone.

Here we see Jehovah stating clearly that He is the maker of all things. Basically, everything was created by Him. In Hebrews 1:16 = it says that it was Jesus that created all things; basically saying Jesus Christ is the maker of all things. As if that wasn't enough - In John 1:3 = It says it was Jesus that made/created everything and there was nothing that was made without Him.

The question then is: How can Jesus be created if He created all things. Please remember that ALL encompasses EVERYTHING and there is no exclusion. If the Bible wanted to be clear that Jesus created only certain things and not ALL things, it would have stated it. We use scripture that speaks authoritatively to interpret scripture that is not very clear. Can you please explain why Jesus is the creator and maker of ALL things that exist yet at the same time He was created. Also, the Bible never mentions Jesus as the master builder - it clearly said that through them NOTHING existed without him.

Regarding Proverbs 8:22, can you please show us where it stated that it was Jesus. Thanks

when it said all things, it doesn't include the Father who created him - Rev 3:14, 1 Cor 15:27

alexis:
Then you don't know what textual interpretation is. I honestly think JW and muslims are more closely related in theology than even Christians. Read Proverbs 8 starting with verse 1 - the speaker is identified; it says:

Does not wisdom call out? Does not understanding raise her voice?

If that is not clear, read verse 12:

I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence; I possess knowledge and discretion.

You can continue reading Proverbs 8 and you will see that Solomon is taking an impersonal attribute of God and personifying it, a common literary feature of Wisdom literature. The reason why Solomon personified Wisdom as a woman is because the Hebrew word for it, hokmah, is feminine in gender.

The text is obviously speaking figuratively on how Yahweh acquired Wisdom, i.e. Yahweh got it by begetting or birthing it in order to use it to create everything. We know that it is figurative since Yahweh doesn't literally give birth in labor pains.

Another typical example in Proverbs is here:

Proverbs 3:13-20 = "Happy is the man who finds wisdom, and the man who gets understanding, for the gain from it is better than gain from silver and its profit better than gold. She is more precious than jewels, and nothing you desire can compare with her. Long life is in her right hand; in her left hand are riches and honor. Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace. She is a tree of life to those who lay hold of her; those who hold her fast are called happy. The LORD BY WISDOM founded the earth; BY UNDERSTANDING he established the heavens; BY HIS KNOWLEDGE the deeps broke forth, and the clouds drop down the dew"

David, in the Psalms, wrote that God created everything that has been made in Wisdom:

Psalm 104:1-24 = "He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains. At your rebuke they fled; at the sound of your thunder they took to flight. The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you appointed for them. You set a boundary that they may not pass, so that they might not again cover the earth. You make springs gush forth in the valleys; they flow between the hills; they give drink to every beast of the field; the wild donkeys quench their thirst. Beside them the birds of the heavens dwell; they sing among the branches. From your lofty abode you water the mountains; the earth is satisfied with the fruit of your work. You cause the grass to grow for the livestock and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine and bread to strengthen man's heart. The trees of the LORD are watered abundantly, the cedars of Lebanon that he planted. In them the birds build their nests; the stork has her home in the fir trees. The high mountains are for the wild goats; the rocks are a refuge for the rock badgers. He made the moon to mark the seasons; the sun knows its time for setting. You make darkness, and it is night, when all the beasts of the forest creep about. The young lions roar for their prey, seeking their food from God. When the sun rises, they steal away and lie down in their dens. Man goes out to his work and to his labor until the evening. O LORD, how manifold are your works! IN WISDOM HAVE YOU MADE THEM ALL; the earth is full of your creatures."

The fact that Wisdom was used by God to create every created thing shows that Wisdom itself is not created since it existed before creation. That is what Proverbs 8:22 was talking about. Please read the Bible for yourself without depending on Watch tower magazines to interpret it.

God bless you

Proverb 8:22 said create. check the meaning of that hebrew word, infact the RSV quoted in that article admits same. even the greek septuagint says CREATE. . u cant fight the truth

alexis:
Stop being shallow minded. The link is claiming God's eternal attribute of Wisdom

lol, you are not different from the guy that wrote that article in that link. he quotes the RSV where it states at Prov 8:22 that Wisdom is created. didnt he ?

the next thing he did was start somersaulting trying to explain how the expression brought forth with labour pains doesnt mean Create. whereas this same expression was used for the Earth at psalm 90:2 , am sure u will agree that means Create EXACT Same expression ... at that point u should recognize you re just an hypocrite blinded by Trinity.

johnw74:
Like I said you have no understanding at all, and cannot have without the Holy Spirit.

Lie Lie jozzy

the Word is spirit , Jesus is flesh and blood. see how this liar twists a simple statement. lol, who is the Word ?

alexis:
Then you not only having a reading but also a comprehension problem. The author categorically stated that Wisdom is used in a figurative manner. Did you or did you not read that?

trash, who has comprehension problem if not you .

" The text is obviously speaking figuratively on how Yahweh acquired Wisdom, i.e. Yahweh got it by begetting or birthing it in order to use it to create everything. We know that it is figurative since Yahweh doesn't literally give birth in labor pains. "

open your eyes, he claims figurative not for wisdom but for the expression brought forth with labor pains .

alexis:
Of what things? - you have to be specific. Please be definite and specific so that your question can be addressed

Did Jesus know the time of the end of the world ?

brocab:
From the truth

this man go and sleep

brocab:
You asked brocab nothing, you are such a lair, JW's worship angels, you do believe Michael is Jesus who came to earth, and after His death He returned the same way becoming Michael once more.
You JW's don't even believe their is a Christ who walked among men in the flesh. Your God is a angel.

he asked you that question, stop been a liar

johnw74:
To start with you need to know that the Word is Spirit, and Jesus is flesh and blood, I haven't even mentioned Jesus here, but that doesn't matter to you who misquotes all over the place, liars do that.





false jw cannot ever admit to a wrong

the truth is as I said and according to the verse, that the Lord and His Spirit sent Isaiah


jozzy said the Lord Jehovah sent Isaiah through His Spirit
but the Lord Jehovah is Spirit
so jozz is saying the lord Jehovah sent Isaiah through the lord Jehovah


I was going to say Just believe the bible, but he won't do that, he need to change it all over the place to suit his false doctrines.


"the Lord and His Spirit in isaiah 48:16 is God and the Word"




In (brackets) is mine
Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit (God and the Word), hath sent me.

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me (God and the Word) in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (God and the Word), and the Word was God.



Lie Lie jozzy

phony lie lie , lol The Word is now different from Jesus ?

zodiakzax:
this only goes to prove that you know nothing about the interpretation of scriptures. I will only be an unwise person to even try and explain this to you. Hope one day you will come back to our comments and see the truth in it. Anyway i asked of your age bcs you are not really matured to handle this stuff, it is clear in your comments and that goes to tell me how immature you are in the things of God. Plus my ideas might vary from the ideas of my other brethren, but you know what? We are willing to learn and quickly come to the truth, we are not scared of being excommunicated. You claim you guys are not divided, how will you be divided when you are afraid of the truth? When you are scared of being sacked or banned from fellowship. Cheers

simple question; if offspring of David equals human being, what does LION of Judah indicate ? Jesus is a LION ? it pass ur level

zodiakzax:
hahahha o my God, wow, do you know what a Prophesy is? " and THERE SHALL ARISE" future tense, it didn't happen, it was yet to happen. And it indeed happened as you know the story too well you can also cf it here Acts 13:22-23.

and when it happened , was it by sexual inter course making him a literal offspring of David ? i dont know how u guys think.

In Rev 22:16 Jesus still claims He's the offspring of David, not "was". Do you get it now? By saying that it means He's still a man (human being)! You still havn't told me your age.

see crook logic , if the title offspring of David means human being, what then does LION of Judah indicates ? he is a lion ?

zodiakzax:
how old are you, seriously? If He's not a true God or a false God then He's not a "God" right? But you claim He's a "god". Or is that not what you wrote in your bible? Look if I were u I would just be quiet on certain things. Obviously you have shown how unlearned you are on the subjects we are talking about. This is not a place for a novice pls .

when u have nothing else to say ? besides, have u seen the quote from the link u gave me.

now , answer my question.

zodiakzax:
if you were reading you would know my obsession with that verse. Maybe I shld just spit it our for for. Jesus said He's the root and offspring of David. What does it mean? The Lord here says "I am" present tense. If He returned back to heaven as arch angel Michael how come He's saying He's the offspring of David? If He doesn't have the nature of man hence being a man in heaven, why would He say He is the offspring of David? 2nd. Question, how can He be both the offspring and the root of David? That's my obsession, by the way how old are you? If you are sincere you can tell me.

Read Isaiah 11:1 where he was reffered to as an offspring of David the son of Jesse. does it mean Jesus was a human being then too ?

" and there must go forth a twig out of the stump of Jesse and out of his roots a sprout will be fruitful "

does that make Jesus a human being then ?