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dolphinheart:
solite3, everyone can see that you know nothing, na just mouth mouth you get. The bad part is that you are now using it to say wrong things about others without offering any solution. you cant even prove their words wrong, but you are dedicated to badmouth them.

you posted on this thread as if you know something, some verses where posted to you to share your understanding of it and you faltered badly.
I did not ask you to interprete, I asked for your understanding of those scriptures, hope you have not joined your fellow liar who resort to lies so as to escape sharing their knowledge on certain scriptures.



If you think scripture is not for any private interpretation, quote rev 1: 1,4-6, Heb 1:9, and rev 3:2,12, then add any other scripture you see fit to surpport it for better explanation.

when you can't tell the truth, you will be looking for excuse, I simply asked you to tell us who is talking in a particular verse, you are now talking about private interpretation, pls make your interpretation public and give us an answer , ye who understands the bible and others dnt!

@ bold , do u mean comedian phony ?

solite3:
Who was Jesus talking to? were they not Jews (people who knew God's name) did specifically mention that his father's name is Jehovah? how come Jesus always call God my father instead of Jehovah. He never taught his disciple to prayer using Jehovah's personal name BT instead he said our father.

Jesus call his Father by his name - John 17:26

God's covenant name in the old testament is Jehovah BT in the new testament it is Jesus

u Lied! the greek scriptures which you called new testament testify Jesua ia a servant of Jehovah, the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob

English Standard Version
" The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him. " Act 3:13

see your life.

acts4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other:for there is none other name [(including Jehovah) under heaven given among men,
whereby we must be saved.

the bracket is a devil insertion by you.

notice the blue color , the name is given among men, given shows that someone gave that name, who is that person that gave the name and is it proper to include the one who gave this name as uv done , let Scripture answer you


"
For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” [size=26] it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. " [/size]




can u now see the foolishness of ur reasoning?

Preciousgirl:
John 20:28

thomas said so.



[size=25] Jesus never claim to be your God, . John 20:17 [/size]

[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=45092418][/quote]Go and pay ur 5 million penalty

fraudsters.

solite3:
in d old testament God reveal himself by that name Jehovah. Jesus was only quoting d old tests Kent.

the point is HE USE the name . john 17:26

further, do u notice he said Jehovah is your God?

you must love Jehovah YOUR God. Matt 22:37

pls show me where Jesus specifically said his father's name is Jehovah simple.

was he talking about his Father in matt 22:37 ? and did his audience tell u they dont know who he called Jehovah ?


I have made your name known " john 17:26

Jesus is God John 1:1 show me ur own

Jesus is God no doubt ! but he is not the Almighty God , do u admit Jesus have a God ? - John 20:17

solite3:
can you show me just one verse of the bible where Jesus mention his father's name

Matthew 22:37

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
" Yeshua said to him, “You shall love THE LORD JEHOVAH your God from all your heart and from all your soul and from all your power and from all your mind.”


quoting this verse where his Fathers name appears

Deu 6:5

"and thou shalt love Jehovah thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might"

_–_–

John 17:26 " I made known to them YOUR NAME, and I will continue to make it known"


why not imitate him in making the name of his Father known instead of corrupting the name by removing it from the bible ?

Preciousgirl:
My God is called Jesus Christ

But Jesus said he is not your God


"Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, [size=25] to my God and your God.’” [/size]- John 20:17


can u see ?

Jesus claim to have a God , and he said his own God IS YOUR God.

madam , do u know the God of Jesus Christ ?

Adortem:
It is a spiritual experience and you would not understand until you experience it. Guess what,the grace is already there,I wouldn't want to argue with you. God bless you.

when you said yes I can , i know u just dont understand my question, but now that it was explained to you, u resort to grammatical dribbles to bail urself out

anyway, God bless you too

Adortem:
By God's grace,yes I can!

calm down, am not talking about the unintelligible version of ra ra ra bracadoshushii.

I mean pentecost, meaning if u see a Brazilian now , can u speak brazilian tongue without you learning it ?

uboma:
I like these.
Please tell us more.
I have also wondered the essence of speaking in tongues when no one understands what is being said...

they are radio without battery

their so - called speakin in tongue is just an outburst of unintelligent sounds.

Buharism:
the pentecost we rèfer to as the manifestation of the holy spirit was a divine event, nobody knew he was speaking in tongue, infact everybody was hearing in their own native language what the apostles were saying,

exactly.

but today you cant understand what the pastor or what other church members are saying while speaking in tongue.

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May the good Lord show us the way to enternal life. Amen

counterfeit version of the pentecost

Adortem:
I must say this,I am from an orthodox background of christianity,like others like me I never believed in it and in my pre-degree days even when I was imparted upon I never spoke in tongues,then I decide I wanted it,and a friend prayed with me,it didn't happen but happened in my dream,then I knew I could speak in tongues but I was too shy and not bold to do so even though the tongues was blasting in my heart,then a day came that I connected with the holyghost through songs in the comfort of my house and I gained the confidence to blast in tongues,halleluyah! What I have experienced after then is beyond me. So,if you don't speak in tongues don't be too critical of it because it is biblical,yearn for it,use your scriptures and gbam,you have it...

can u speak in tongues exactly like the apostles did at Pentecost ? Act 2:8

cocoduck:
you guys think that there is anything special about leaving JWs. there is nothing at all special about it

lol, dont mind em

IRserveMyComent:
Mind you i never said adam was cast into hell. And the immediate punishment God gave to adam was in Gen 3:17, when God told him the earth is cursed because he listened to his wife. He would toil before the land would give its yield. And to eve he said in pain and sorrow she would give birth to her children.

u are right

IRserveMyComent:
Ask Genesis. Genesis would tell you the punishment metted out to adam and eve for their disobedience.

a return to DUST not hell . Gen 3:19

festusfeezy:
How did h knw that God didnt send Adam to hell
Were u there to see for ursef

here is my proof - Gen 3:19, "You [Adam] are dust nd to dust You [Adam] shall return "


so provide ur proof of Adam in hell or remain a LIAR

Joagbaje:
He was made sin. He took my place

then if Jesus took the place of you a sinner, then why was he not burning for ur sins in hell ?

Joagbaje:
The passage means that David had not gone to heaven yet when he wrote that prophecy .

Acts 2:34
For David has not gone up into heaven, but says, himself, The Lord said to my Lord, Be seated at my right hand,

They didn't leave david behind .

oga, did David go to heaven when he died ? this twisting wont help you - John 3:13

Holmes07:
How did u knw God didnt send Adam to hell?? Iv u're nt sure abt somtin den dnt propagate ur ignorance keep it to urself..

show me where the scripture said God send Adam to hell, and not the ground ?

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Amberon11:
O.P you don't need people's validation. Whether everybody in the world says it is right. As Christians that shouldn't be our business.

God's word was clear on that. Flee fornication and all sexual sins.

EXACTLY, and i believe all this excuse of what if she doesnt hav a vagena and what if he is impotent are just lines used to justify lust. at the end of the day this two people having sex with each other in the name of testing, MOST times broke up . either ways , the result of premarital sex is always regret.

its like when a Lady is a virgin, and her friends start scaring her sayin " u better do it now, or else it will pain you badly when u get married, its an empty threat designed to turn her to empty vessel like them.

better to Follow Gods direction, he will never dissapoint his faithful ones .

Jessicha:
empty talk.

its not her fault. but her case is one that needs serious prayer .

she has forgotten the verse has been treated.

and there are many times she accuse u for statements made by other person, cant call it memory loss , its just her impatient to comprehend posts.

just this morning she accuse me of quoting a verse which originally was quote by goodnews2016! and other similar cases, thts what to expect when u discuss with someone who is just too impatient to comprehend.

analice107:
Chai JW. Pls stay off my mention.

just go back and provide evidence for your lies on the other thread, post tagged B1-B5

Scholar8200:
Now dorox, you talk of moral justification. By what ethics or standards or reference are you seeking a moral justification of or condemnation of Hell fire.

noise.

is the righteousness of 80 years enough to make a man deserve heaven ? answer this , then we will ask why a sin of the same 80 years is now enough to make a man deserver hellfire ?

analice107:
Stop droping unquote scriptures, if you want us to treat a scripture, quoted it out.
Jeremiah 7:31
And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the Valley of Ben-hinnom [son of Hinnom], to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire [in honor of Molech, the fire god]— which I did not command, [size=26] nor did it come into My mind or heart. [/size]


You are getting desperate and are beginning to grab straws. Does the above scripture have any bearing with eternity in hellfire? You now assume anywhere you see fire, it means it's fire of hell?

Pls my friend, don't make a mess of yourself.
Can't you see the above scripture is talking abt Idol worship? Sacrificing children to Satan?
Ah. @goodnews you have ran out of scriptures.
It would have made more sense if you picked those numerous scriptures Jesus Himself talked about hellfire and try like before to twist their meaning than this lame attempt.

see your life , instead of u to address the scripture he gave you, u are here attacking his personalty . see you

Now raise ur eyes to the bold , what do u see ? people burning their own sons and daughter in fire , same thing u accuse God of doing.

the vital point in that scripture is that God see that act as criminal , he said @ color Such as never come into my heart , if such idea never come into his heart, u begin to realize that the hellfire doctrine is of the devil. only the devil and his demons could come up with such a wicked and sadistic idea of torture.

Out of the numerous scriptures Christ taught hellfire

I chose to keep bringing this one, but like a plague, you have avoided it.

Here Christ used what is known to teach what is unknown. He used a parable, after which he explained the parable in plain language. Should I believe you don't see this scripture I keep posting?

Matthew 13:24-27,37-44 Another parable He set forth before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while he was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed also darnel (weeds resembling wheat) among the wheat, and went on his way. So when the plants sprouted and formed grain, the darnel (weeds) appeared also. And the servants of the owner came to him and said, Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? Then how does it have darnel shoots in it?




STOP RUNNING AROUND, SETTLE DOWN AND TREAT THIS SCRIPTURE.

He answered, He Who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed means the children of the kingdom; the darnel is the children of the evil one, And the enemy who sowed it is the devil. The harvest is the close and consummation of the age,


and the reapers are angels. Just as the darnel (weeds resembling wheat) is gathered and burned with fire, so it will be at the close of the age. The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense [persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin] and all who do iniquity and act wickedly, And will cast them into the furnace of fire; there will be weeping and wailing and [size=23] grinding of teeth. [/size]

Then will the righteous (those who are upright and in right standing with God) shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him who has ears [to hear] be listening, and let him consider and perceive and understand by hearing.

Christ knew Jer 7:31 so well, so his teaching here never ever support the hellfire teaching

1. @ bold ... teachers of hellfire said its when people die tht they arw immediately sent to hell , BUT can you see how Jesus destroy that notion ? the harvest is the close , not when a man die.

2.see the color @ green ... Can u see Just as the weeds are burnes with fire ? hey , do weeds burn forever in fire ? thts a serious case for hellfire teaching , weeds are destroyed once and for all , and they die out of existence . Christ said the end of the wicked will be JUST AS weeds, analice eternal destruction perfetly illustrated not eternal hellfire . EXPOSED


3. this is funny,check the highlighted italics .. many think Jesua ia talkin about a pagan greek soul , but pls DO This SOUL HAVE TEETHS too ?

analice107:
I can't remember saying you quoted from the Watchtower. Am still saying that, no matter how glaring the truth is, you don't accept it because WATCHTOWER says contrary. You chose to believe WHAT WATCHTOWER says as opposed to the Bible.
Your head is inside the Watchtower organisation. You see the Bible through its eyes.
@Dolphineheart. Am very certain you have been reading my post to your brothers and yours too. Why haven't you treated the Bible passages I have posted? How long shall we keep doing this?
Let's pause and treat the ones that are posted already. Am tired with JW evading scriptures yet labelling their opponents.

Totally baseless assumptions, kindly go back to the other thread and provide scriptural evidence for your statements tag B1 - B5. dont evade it .

analice107:
Christians don't insult themselves when they discuss the Bible, pls don't disappoint me.
When you bring up scriptures, try to pick scriptures which relates to the discourse in view.

the bold is what has been done on this thread since page 0,

You went off to pull Ezekiel, I expected that you would quote the verse, say something abt it by way of treating it, and showing the relevance of it with regards to the discussion at hand, but No, you pulled a random scripture which has no bearing with eternal judgement, yet you called me a hypocrite. Are you sure you know the meaning of that word?

again, u missed it ,

always be calm before posting, u said I went off to pull ezekiel , lol am I the one ? this shows u dont even know what you are saying .

goodnews201668 use that Ezekiel to show u why its beneficial at times to " Reasoning from the scripture ",Act 17:2 , uv always condemn reasoning as been carnal , I only show u.. u are doing the same .

analice107:
U still dey learn. Your Watchtower doctrine of Materialism won't let you see beyond you. The blood being upon you, means you will be blamed or held accountable

dont you see you are an hypocrite? i will tell you why,

you applied Reasoning in ur explanation here, the same reasoning u always called materialism and carnally minded, isnt it ?,u are caught in ur own web , why dont u just take it as u found it, thag blood will be poured on ezekiels head ? . instead of applying reasoning and carnally mind .

dolphinheart:
analice, pls when we discuss , let's stay focused on what we are discussing ok. I've quoted from the scriptures on these thread not the Watchtower, you are just trying to change the topic by accusing me falsely. you can see the translation I use is stated mostimes at the beginning of the verse I quoted and mostimes you will see " King James Version". I do this so that you wunt defend yourself by attacking the source of my quotes mostimes when we are discussing an issue.
It is not the Watchtower I used, I used the scriptures in passing my point, scriptures that has not been refuted or given contrary explanation to up till now!

You want to use Abel's story to claim that man is concious after death, but your claims are faulty from the start

1. if abel was concious after death, and his blood cried out, is abel conciousness in the blood? these question will be hard for you to examine cus it shatters your beliefs.

2. If abel is crying out to prove he is consious after death, why was he crying out from the ground where his blood is? is abel in the ground where his blood is?

I think it's very very very bad for one who claim to be christian to formulate a theory based on part of the words of God and discredit or refuse to acknowledge the other part, more expecially when they are part of the Same sentence. you want to believe abel is crying,but you want to ignore where he crying from, cus the location of the cry will not allow you take God's word to be literal. you have decided to cut God's word in half, believing one part cus you can use it in your doctrines and discarding the second part of the same sentence cus it affects your doctrines negatively. analice, I think this is a very bad way to read the scriptures, cus how you have been handling the issue of Abel's blood crying out from the ground has just totally stripped the scripture of his protective covers.

anOther question to you, pls what is crying out, his blood, his spirit, his soul?, since what cries out will determine what is consious in man after death. The answer to these will be used to show you that your doctrine is false.

I have shown what the scriptures say will happen to man when he dies, it says HE KNOWS NOTHING. I'm open for discussion if you want to discuss those scriptures.



pls feel free to quote them again.


you question shows you deliberately wanted to change the issue from if man is a spirit in a body to if man has a spirit. I never said that man does not have a spirit, I said that "MAN IS NOT A SPIRIT". man has a spirit, or life force that activates him, that makes him to be alive, that makes him to be called a living soul!. The same spirit that is in man is also in animals. read gen 2:7 again and you will understand what man is!


your attack based on lies will not make you right, it can only boost your ego, but people will easily see through it.

You keep shifting between soul and spirit,taking parts of both which suits your doctrine.
pls provide scriptures which says souls of men enter back into their bodies to stand judgement. which bodies sef, the one that has tured to manure? or those burned during cremation?
Or are you saying God will mould their old bodies back for them and put their soul in it, pls dnt tell that to a correct abuke or a dwarf.

I've never ever said to you that there is no spirit realm, that there are differences in our understanding of spirits should not make you make a blank statement that I dnt believe in Spirit realm. you are seeing motives through false accusations you brought forward just because they show you the truth from the scriptures, wow!

beautifully expressed, the abuke/dwarf part is funny though

Ken4Christ:
You don't waste so much time for people who have made up their minds to believe their fabricated lies inspite of overwhelming evidences against them.

Up till now, no JW has been able to tell us what happened to the body of Jesus since they say he did not rise up bodily.

since they say ? or the bible say ?

1 pet 3:18 Jesus was killed in the flesh [ which the bible calls earthly body] and was made alive in the flesh ? NO , it said : MADE ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT
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fight with that verse .


" And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But truly the glory of the heavenly is one kind, and that of the earthly is another ,." 1 cor 15:40



you mean Jesus use an earthly body in heaven ? thats silly , its called earthly because its specifically designed for the earth !

heavenly body is the body specifically designed for those in heaven , angels e.t.c


For what happen to Jesus earthly body , I Challenge you to tell me what happen to the body of moses ?


secondly, when angels came to earth and materialize, TELL me what happen to that earthly body they put on after they finished their mission ?




*** answer those two questions and lets see if u also have understanding .

analice107:
Watchtower says that when man dies he returns to the dust and it ends there, no consciousness of any kind. Why was Abel's blood crying. Where the consciousness come from to know that what Cain did was wrong and needed avenging?

Where did the Bible say the souls of the departed go?
I have posted these scriptures too many times here but you people dodged them.

Did you say man doesn't have a spirit?

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; (and may your spirit and soul and body) be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).
Did Watchtower edited this part out of your Bible?

The gospel of Materialism is a Luciferean gospel. How do you reconcile resurrection which is the Souls of men entering back into their bodies to stand judgement for their deeds which Materialism which teaches that there's no spirit realm?
Ha gradually am beginning to see the motive behind Charles Tass Russell's Watchtower organization.

comprehend post before replying and stop disgracing yoursef on a public forum

you said: " did you say man doesnt have a spirit"


Whereas dolphinheart in his post never ever said so , u just delight in baseless lies nd assumptions, he [ dolphinheart] said in explaining:

dolphinheart

Spirit was giving to " them" ( me, you and animals) . The " them" is the being that is living

analice107:
LOlzzz. JOZZY4

THE LIFE FORCE(SPIRIT) OF EVERY MAN IS IN HIS BLOOD. WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU?

wow , u mean spirit is now a life FORCE ? FORCE ?



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