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When will people learn?,
When will people reason?.You speak out of your mouth and conptradicts your heart.

DO YOU KNOW WHO JESUS IS?
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HIM?
CAN YOU DO WHAT HE DID?
DO YOU BELIEVE HE IS JUST A FAIRY TALE,
OR DO YOU BELIEVE HE IS REAL.

Mind how you speaks of him,because you don't know him,but i tell you,i know him perfectly well.

If someone just wrote the four Gospels about a fairly man,he is the greatest writer that ever lived.
If a human being can conjour those words in the bible out of his mind,i shall say he is of the gods,for they have given him wisdom above human to write such a tale.

Then i shall call him the mind of the gods.

chrisj2000:
Too long to read but my question is "how are you sure that bible is true word of god except that some silly people said so?"

The words in the Bible never contradicts itself.It contains of words of the prophets in the old testaments and the fulfilments of the words in the new testaments.
Have you ever read the bible,have you ever wondered how strong and steadfast the words it contains?
All the towns and Cities mentioned in it are real even till today.
The Bible is a powerful tool to human existence.
I have questions to whom it may concern

You wrote your own book from my book which has two sections,the Old section and the new section.You copied almost all of my Old section.
Now,you say that my new section is not from me.
Due to ignorance or lack of vision,you didnt know that everything in my new section is where my Old section was completed or fulfilled.

You endorce my Old section as being perfect.And my new section corrupted.

You believe that the person in my new book did extraodinary things which a human being like yourself cannot do,yet says he is just a human being.

You believe that the Person in my new book did not die,yet my old which you accepted says otherwise.
You said that he is just a man but survived extra ordinary sufferings,and even nails on the cross.
You said that he only swooned on the cross
and you said that God replaced him with another man.
What if i ask you where he went when he was replaced,can you answer me?
What if i ask you if you can survive a nail,can you answer me?

Now i shall tell him,:when you copy from my book,copy correctly.For i am the owner of my book,you should write yours.Now,my Prophet you call Ibrahim,his sacrificial son is not Ishmeal but Isaac,for the former is just the son of a servant And never played a role atall unless you say i'm wrong.

But i shall ask him,do you know what you cerebrate every year by killing of Rams? No you dont, You are celebrating the resurection of the one who you said did not die.For out of ignorance,you detest me,and out of ignorance,you apease me.

Please,what shall i tell the one that ate from my bowl,and says that it stinks,but thanked me for the food well served?.
But lastly,i will ask him,are you sure that we are on the same side?,because i dont think so.

I can paste the archeological proof of my Bible if you are interested.

lepasharon:
Christianity itself is Pagan,so wat u talking about?

Are you sure about yourself?[quote author=PAGAN 9JA link=topic=805065.msg9580376#msg9580376 date=1321563629]and your point is [/quote]Any point you make out of it by your self,take it as my point.

Why Listen to those that say those things,their hearts is as bitter as gall,their ways are bent,their words are poison.So they speak without thinking,because their hearts has been owned.Not owned by the saviour but the destroyer of men.
Why do you call yourself a Pagan?,why do you take God as an illusion?who created the air that you breath?your mind created them.
Who sends down the waters that you drink,your gods sends them.
Who made the world that you dwell in?the world made itself. Who made YOU?so as you made yourself.

A man should pause and say,Who am i? For he dont know how he was,how he is,and how he will be.

You eats from a pot you didnt make,you drink from a Cup you didnt mould.You ride on a horse you didnt train,yet you runs from the reality that you face.

You sleeps at night,but dont know what is night.You dreams out of unreal illusions,but dont know where you are.You wake up and thank yourself for a blissful sleep,but you dont know who you are.You pray to yourself for a better day,yet you dont know about the day.
You eats of the plants you didnt make,when the plants dies,you gets sad.
You would say to the air to sieze,because you can breath of your own.Your mind made the mind which you use to co-ordinate.

If a man starts a journey and finishes,he is rewarded.If a man starts and stops halfway,he is not better than the man who did not start at all.But when he that didnt start before takes up strength and finishes,he is better that the second,for it would be better if he did not start atall.
But now,we dont have our own choices,we are set on a journey,its is not our own making but someone who is far more greater than us.
No man is worthy before the creator,but it is better that you know the creator.

The world is greater than its dwellers,the Creator is greater than the world.
We are nothing,but objects in the hands of the creator.

Why are people full of criticism?,
why has people taken upon their hearts to judge?
Why has people became an instrument for destruction?.
They shall say in their hearts,i am the righteous one,i am the one that knows the one i serve.They are hypocrites,destinied for ruin.
Our God does not look at without of human,for we are all in appearance of white linen which shines outside our dark hearts.He looks at within the human hearts,for out of the heart speakest the mouth.
Why have you taking laws into your hands? be it on pretence or reality.
How can you remove a stick in ones ear without at first remove the scale in your own eyes.
Look upon yourself as a sinner,and seek for Gods mercy and light.
The truth lies within Your heart.

The answer goes like this.
Its like a king who have a son and many subjects.He makes a law that should be strictly obeyed by all his subjects.Their is a heavy fine for disobedience of this crime,and all the subjects put together cannot pay it.
Because they are not perfect,they disobeyed this law,he know that they cannot pay the fine,so they have to face the punishment for it.
Now,the son of the King knew that he can pay the price because he is rich.He then descided to take the punishment and pay the fine.Now,they have to be careful not to disobey again because they have been saved once.

During the olden times in the old testaments,a sinner takes responsibility for his sins on earth.Sinful nations were destroyed by God eg.Sodom and Gomorrah.No one who sinned goes free.
The laws which he passed is to be strictly adhered by the people.The attonement of sins was met with sacrifises,suffering of oneself and burnt offerings.
The temple of God(holy of holies) was restricted to common citizens.Only the high priests and Prophets could enter.They have to cleanse themeselves and be holy before they can enter because anything unclean would be struck to death by God.
These wase ho the world lived Before Christ. (B.C)

God does not find satisfaction in destroying things that he created,he does not find delight in the death of a sinner,but that a sinner repents.

(Rom 6:23)-For the wages of sin is DEATH,but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
That was why Jesus came and took the punishment for our sins through his death on the cross.
When Jesus died,the seals of the temple tore.Now,everybody including sinners is free to enter to the Lord.
We no longer require sacrifises for the attonement of our sins for we are now closer to our God.We are no longer slaves but Children.
The death of Christ took away our sins because we are no longer held punnished of them here on earth,for we all would have been destroyed.

Him who has ears let him hear:
Praying does not cleanse from sin because even sinners pray and all men are sinners.
Joining a church does not cleanse from sin because hypocrites go to Church.
Baptism does not cleanse from sin because a sinner cannot cleanse a sinner.
Our works and our good deeds cannot wash away sins because surely,we are all hypocrites in heart.

Hear me you who has ears,Only the blood of Jesus,the blood shed on the cross of Calvary cleanses sin.To sin is human,and to forgive is divine.
Because of his sacrifice,the world is saved.
Therefore,keep away from that which is evil,abstain from sin,do what is right in his sight and he shall reward you.
Inperfect generation,do not be arrogant and say that because Christ has died for our sins,now let the lusts of flesh and inpurities of sin take hold of us,it is the thoughts of one who is ruled by false spirits of beelzebub,he has soured the mans heart and inplanted rebelous spirits.therefore thinking in his heart what is wrong.He no longer knows the truth.
Woe unto you who shall decieve my people,that one of mine shall perish,for you are better not born than born,and woe to you who has been decieved,for what made the spirit of truth depart from you.

We shall all acount for our sins on the last day.For weeds and corns shall grow together untill the day of harvest.Weeds shall be gathered and be burnt and be ruined.
Shall we continue in sin that grace should abide bountifully for us?, The death of Christ is enough grace for those who believe.

[quote author=PAGAN  9JA link=topic=804239.msg9571980#msg9571980 date=1321470379]why will i surrender my life to a MAN who i have never seen in my life and who is not even from my tribe or country, or even continent and whom i only associate with the slavery of my people.

AM I MENTAL   [/quote]yes you are.
you are a Pagan,so your case is mental derisory.
You need deliverance first.

Sweetnecta:
When God said to earth to appear, you will have to accept that when it started to appear, there is a part of it that appeared first? That part was Makka. And it was the part that was the mouth piece in saying that it submitted to the Command of God. You know the earth once spoke? At least you should know that it did during the process of taking from it to create Adam [as].

if it spoke at this occasion, it spoke before, when it was appearing to be seen, solid.

And on what proof do you assert to that claim?

Sweetnecta:
@Jerseyboy: What about I did not bring peace but war, sword, not unity but division?

During the reign of Tiberius Ceasar,he was a bad ruler.He taxed the Jews heavily and treated them like slaves.He was a bad man and the Jews awaited for the time God will save them from his hand.
Then a prophesy came to them that a savior is to be born,and the saviour shall come from the tribe of Judea,in the small town of Bethlehem and in the family of a poor capenter.
They thought that God has answered their prayers by sending to them a saviour who would deliver them from the hand of Ceasar.Even Herod their king sort to kill him because he thought that the man who will overthrone him would be born.
They were disappointed when they saw their expected savior being rather a talkertive and someone who altered blastphemous words.He claims to be the son of God,but could not even deliver them from the bad Government of Ceasar.
That was when the hate began.they hated the new doctrine brought to them by Jesus which even went contraly to what their old Prophet taught them,like the case of adoratory,and many others.He even claimed that he was, before Abraham,and also the saying that he came to fulfill the old gospels and most annoyingly,the fact that he claimed to be the Son Of God and many other countless things he said which goes contraly to their belief.
Now,he has created division between the Jews because many did not believe him,while few believed him.Parents will even disown their own children,and brothers divided from brothers.
That was what gave rise to what Jesus said,that he didnt come to make peace with the leaders of the world,because his kingdom is not of the world,but to bring division,same as Sword,hatered,and even violence and persecution,which ever way you put it.
He himself was persecuted and also his desciples.
Note,he said that to let them know the importance of brotherhood among them that believed in him.They should not go against each other,and also not to hate those who persecute them rather pray for them.
Just take for example,a Muslim who converts to Christianity today.
Just like a father when asked what he will do if his son converts to Christianity,he replied that he will personally kill him.That response did not show peace rather Sword.

When you read the bible,expecially the gospels of Jesus Christ,try and understand what he is teaching about because,he speaks with heavenly authority and even his desciples at that time gets confused sometimes.

What other reliable source do you need?
This is a perfect archeological proofs of the Koran,and you are here talking of a more reliable source.
You can browse it yourself if you want and you my end up telling me that it is from an untrusted or unrecognised source .

Http://www.isaalmasih.net/archaeology-isa/quran-archaeology.html

Silly Muslims,how do you even know that your Koran is Gods word except that a Lunatic man said so.hey,this is your worship book,its sent from God. Muslims are adamant in asserting that the Quran is the final true word of God. However the historical reliability of Islam has been challenged by contemporary scholarship. Manuscript, documentary and archaeological evidence all fail to confirm many of the claims of Islam. Let's explore the mounting case against Islam from external documentary sources and modern archaeology.
The Jews
The Quran implies that
Muhammad severed his
relationship with the Jews in 624
AD, soon after the Hijra
(migration to Mecca). At that time
the direction of prayer, the Qibla,
was moved from Jerusalem to
Mecca (Sura 2:144, 149-150).
However, non-Muslim sources,
the Doctrina Iacobi and the
Armenian Chronicle of 660 AD,
maintain the Arabs and the Jews
were allies as late as 640 AD,
during the conquest of Palestine.
Muhammad established a
community of Ishmaelites and
Jews based on their common
birthright to the Holy Land. This
relationship endured at least 15
years beyond the qur'anic date.
Mecca
According to the Quran, Mecca
was the first and most important
city in the world. Adam placed
the black stone in the original
Kaba (sanctuary) there, while
Abraham and Ishmael rebuilt the
Meccan Kaba centuries later (Sura
2:125-127). Mecca was allegedly
the centre of Arabian trading
routes before Muhammads time.
Yet there is no archeological
corroboration for this. Such a
great ancient city would surely
have received a mention in
ancient history. However, the
earliest reference to Mecca as a
city is in the Continuato Byzantia
Arabica, an 8th century
document. Mecca is certainly not
on the natural overland trade
routes- it is a barren valley
requiring a one hundred mile
detour. Moreover, there was only
maritime Graeco-Roman trade
with India after the first century,
controlled by the Ethiopian Red
Sea port Adulis, not by the Arabs.
If Mecca was not even a viable
city, let alone a great commercial
centre until after Muhammads
time, the Quran is seriously in
doubt.
the Koran in general
Evidently the Quran underwent a
transformation during the 100
years following the Prophets
death. Recognisable quranic
writings appear on coins and on
the Dome of the Rock during the
reign of Abd al-Malik from 685
AD, but they differ from the
official quranic text today. The
Quran cannot then have been
canonized during Muhammads
lifetime, but must have
undergone a process of
evolution. Indeed the earliest
reference to a book called the
Quran fr a sanctuary located not
in Mecca, but in northern Arabia
or even Jerusalem, until the early
8th century. It cannot be that the
early Muslims wrongly estimated
the direction of Mecca. They were
desert traders and caravaners,
adept at travelling by the stars.
How else did they perform the
obligatory Hajj, which was also
canonized at this time? There is a
serious discrepancy between the
Quran and modern archaeology.
Crucially, Walid I, who reigned as
Caliph between 705 and 715,
wrote to all the regions orderan
maintains is at odds with
historical data from the 7th-8th
centuries. Specifically:
The Jews retained a relationship
with the Arabs until at least AD
640, not 624 AD
Mecca was not the first and most
important city in the world; it
was unknown until the end of
the 7th century and was not
even on the international trade
route
The Qibla (direction of prayer)
was not fixed towards Mecca
until the 8th century but to an
area further north, possibly
Jerusalem
The Dome of the Rock in
Jerusalem was possibly the
original sanctuary
Muhammad was not known as
the Seal of the Prophets until the
late 7th century; the creeds from
Muhammad's time contain a
monotheistic religion but no
Muhammadan formulae
The earliest we even hear of the
Quran is not until the mid-8th
century
The earliest quranic writings on
coins and on the Dome of the
Rock do not coincide with the
current quranic text
This suggests the Quran we now
read is not the same as that
which was supposedly collated
and canonized in 650 AD by
Uthman. The earliest quranic
manuscripts in our possession
today (dating from 790 AD)
would appear to reflect an
evolution in the quranic text. This
challenges the Muslim contention
that the Quran contains the
original and exact revelation of
Allah, as recited by Muhammad
and hence strikes at the very
heart of the Islamic faith. The
Quran has in the past been
protected by a kind of doctrinal
embargo- but can Muslims
ignore the mounting tide of
evidence to the contrary?

vedaxcool:
we are sure some ones ears was chopped off!

And what was the reaction of the man who supposedly told them to buy swords.

Remember that the man in question has the power to destroy them,or slip away from them as he previously did.

vedaxcool:
we still dey laugh unah oyah rev. king show them laugh baptise them with fire oyah burn

Why are you mentioning his name,are you trying to prove him worthy of Christ or unworthy.
And where is the Rev.who even calls himself second Jesus.
I'm not supprised because Jesus warned us before hand,bewear of false prophets,for many shall rise falsely on my name and in such way,they shall fall
so you can laugh at yourself for all i care.

Try and surf this site too, They are all about answers
http://www.christiananswers.net/evangelism/beliefs/islam.html

vedaxcool:
Perverse Lair it is not a Muslim website stop the lies, no wonder reasonable people can not follow you religion with liars like you!  

Halt for some moment before you start blurting.
First of all,what is the aim of the website?
It is a place for muslims to learn about Islam and Christianity.The website was created due to many questions arising from many muslims about who they think Isa al Mashia is and about his teachings which differ from the Koran.
The website Index states
Muslims want the truth, and IsaalMasih.net provides it in a way they best understand it. Various teachers who love Muslims team together to give the answers to the questions Muslims ask.
To learn about Isa al Masih (Jesus), the Holy Scriptures, proofs from archaeology, creation.
Many Islamic scholers and Xtians team together to provide answers to questions many muslims who want the truth asks.
So now,is the website meant for xtians or muslims? I dont call my Jesus, Isa and my God, Allah.
Everything on the website is pure Islamic and it has passed many endorcements,

So my brother,stop the incurring attitude and read with the mind of your own and understanding,it will do you lots of good.

vedaxcool:
?
Oh I see are talking of these two fellow who are bringing the sword of dividion to the world?

. . . Bring them here and Slaughter them . . . Jesus

And how many were brought and slaughtered before him?

A king that became a servant,

A creator that served his creations,

A God that existed among the motals,

A God born of a mortal.

The devine and the flesh.

The life giver that accepted death,

The Jews could not tolorate him,they judged him.

The Judges could not convict him,they falsely accused him,

False accusations could not benefit them,they killed him.

Death could not withold him,he rose to life.

Life is sufficient for him,he gives it to his children.

He has the power to life and death.

vedaxcool:
The website is another missionary garbage that shouldn't be taken seriously.

Theis nothing like missionary garbage,its even a muslim website.

Like i said,surf through it with the mind of your own and understanding.
and stop the incurring attitude.

Jesus said in the bible
Luke 6:37-Judge not,and ye shall not be judged.condemn not and ye shall not be condemed.Forgive and ye shall be forgiven.

It is not right to say blastphemous words against a man who claims to be a prophet of God for you know not.
Jesus also said by their fruits,you shall know them.A bad fruit shall bring forth bad fruits likewise a good fruit shall bring forth good fruits.
If they are not of God,they shall surely fall.just like Rev.King.
Jesus said
John 14:12-Verily verily,i say unto you,he that believeth in me,the works that i do shall he do also,and greater works than these shall he do.

Our tongue is the smallest part of our body,but it can lead to the greatest damnation.
Be careful what you say.
God bless you all.

There is no comparism between a God and a Mortal.
Jesus created Mohammad and other false Prophets like Rev.King.

Http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Jesus-Muhammad.htm

This website will be of great guide to you muslims.
Its a muslim website and it answers many questions about Jesus Christ.
I advice you to surf through it with the mind of your own and understanding.

Http://www.isaalmasih.net/index.html

The answers to the question is a little complicated for on either sides,the proves seems to be solid on its own.

Visit this website
http://www.onearthasinheaven.com/siblings.html

@Sweetnecta,
You realy need to grow up and stop being shallow minded.
Even as you were provided with some honest facts,yet you still detest.
Your types is an authentic representation of the Pharisees during the time of Jesus,they were blind to the truth.

What i'm i implying,
A man who does not know,and knows that he does not know,when told that he needs to know,claims that he knows, he is as dumb as innanimates.
Likewise a man who knows,and knows that he knows,when told no need to stress,claims that he does not know, he is as dangerous as Adder.

Dgunnerz:
Thanks people.
More to come!
Gbagbo,no vex nah!

u mean more of this faaack?

*runs away from NL shouting*

@Bcuzuwack,
so na pollution u wan 2 dey pollute my posts

*catches him and locks him up*

The teachings of my lord Jesus is sweet to me,
My bible is my companion,my compass to happiness and peace.
I dont hate muslims,for a dog must answer the name given to him by his master.
And my bible tells me:
Lev.19:17- thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart:thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neigbour and not suffer sin upon him.
Do not hate your brother who does evil,but aproach him in good manner to rebuke him of those evil,dont be silent to it.
I hate Islam,for how it has darkened peoples heart and creates hatered within them for anything good.
A good muslim is someone who is a muslim but neglets the teachings of Islam and follows the inward truth within him which is present in every man.Being a subject to Islam will kill the good spirit and inculcate the spirit of rebel to the heart.They therefore act aimlessly and confused,destroying the good things which their hearts desires.
I will continue to pray for the captivated muslims for the holy spirit to touch their hearts to repentance.

Christ in me,the hope of glory.

Sweetnecta:
@Gerald710; « #12 on: Yesterday at 10:10:45 PM »Since we are being honest here, the word infidel appears in the Book of Titus in the NT of the Bible, and there is no word for infidel in arabic, but there are words for disbelievers; Kafirun. I am now certain that your quoting Romans 10.4 to separate Christianity from if you will whatever Moses and Jesus practiced shows how really astray christianity is from the true religion of Jesus. And from NT,
(1) Jesus was reported to say that he brought swords and wars and divisions into the family, but not peace or family unity. Further, we read Jesus actually telling people that (2) a certain king will command that they should bring before him and slaughter those from his kingdom who do not want him to reign over them. We actually read about his (3) commanding his followers to buy swords by selling everything they have except whatever they are wearing and not hold on to anything else. If having nothing but the cloth on your back is not a sign of death wish, I don't know what that is?

i just hate it when someone who poses himself to be educated and enghlightened should represent himself with some vaguely assumptions just to defend his stand.

(1) you should be able to attribute it to the present day apostates of Islam,as they are rejected and persecuted by their own, he speaks on facts as parents shall rise against their own when they accept the truth.then what shall that cause?

(2) you should understand when he speaks of attitudes of earthly masters and their selfish way of leadership, it calls for obedience to those you are subjects to.

On the third case,a dumb fellow only needs a guide,for talking without guideance is useless to him.
I have splitly explained that details to you before,and wont suffer to explain it again to someone who is deaf.I can post the link for you if you want,

Nothing can ever prove my lord Jesus as violence, he is the PRINCE OF PEACE,
I love you Jesus.

Ladies, e beta make u date Enyimba.The poor guy nor go break ur heart.

AGYBABA

Mtcheeew,

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