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PoliticsAtiku Will Now Unleash The Terror He Has Been Holding Back. by Justcash(op): 6:16am On Jan 14, 2011
I can imagine how many weapons Atiku and IBB has brought into Nigeria through our porous borders.
Nigerians should brace up for a more sophisticated Boko Harram, Jos Murders and Niger-delta Militants. The Aggrieved Mafia may not give up without a fight.
I hope GEJ is prepared for them. I trust Obasanjo anyway.
PoliticsRe: PDP Convention: Live Report by Justcash(m): 3:48am On Jan 14, 2011
Becomerich is a freaking eediot. Is this the thread to post this sort of thing? May her soul rest in perfect peace. May God hasten the break up of Nigeria. God I dey beg you.
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 10:02am On Jan 11, 2011
So after defeating the East in the civil war, all Yoruba folks can boast of is a bunch of factories, that can't make any impact on employment. Well, it is a Pity. The Hausa folks have accepted that they messed up, it is the few Yoruba folks here that are trying to justify how much village factories the civil war victory helped them to get.
It is indeed a pity. May God help all of you.
I'm outta here.
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 9:41am On Jan 11, 2011
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=583162.msg7506576#msg7506576 date=1294734735]Are we measuring overall dollar value of the factories, or  just quantity? I'm sure Anambra has more  quantity, but I highly doubt that the overall value of the business they do exceeds that of Lagos.

Otherwise I'm a bit surprised  that McKinsey for example decided to open their office in Lagos rather than Anambra tongue[/quote]Like I said, companies with big brands prefer to exist in Lagos, and are very surpported by the government. However, in terms of number of factories (addition of big and small) (Including toilet tissue, pure water factories LOL!), Anambra gat more than Lagos state. Ogun state is no where near any of Anambra, Abia and Enugu.
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 9:33am On Jan 11, 2011
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=583162.msg7506498#msg7506498 date=1294733936]This rationale doesn't make sense, btw. Not everything will be cheaper to import than to manufacture. I actually think Lagos and Ogun will be phenomenal for manufacturing if/when electricity is available in Nigeria. You have a pretty enormous market nearby, and relatively low overall transportation costs if you build your factories in Ogun.[/quote][b]You have a point, but still, manufacturing in Nigeria can never be cheaper than making the same abroad and importing.
I can get anything Cheaper in Asia than in Nigeria. I can even take Cassava to Asia, turn into a packaged cassava product and return it, it will still be cheaper than the ones made in Nigeria, despite the cost of the flight. You sure under-estimate how costly and frustrating it is to manufacture in Nigeria. Lack of electricity is not the only problem, security (You need to pay for effective security), transportation, Multiple taxation, corruption (Sorting), availability of unqualified but over-demanding employees due to strong unions etc. It is only mushroom factories (Very small) or very large and government supported factories that can survive easily in Lagos state. The existence of the cheap imported products makes manufacturing unattractive. However, the local manufacturers can compete effectively if an enabling environment is created for them, and taxes are stamped on the imported products.[/b]
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 9:19am On Jan 11, 2011
Onlytruth:
You guys also forget Enugu with the Emene industries. You also forget the Nigerian breweries at Ama in Enugu ( a $400 million industry), once acknowledged as the single biggest brewery in Nigeria.

IMO, between Enugu, Anambra and Abia, there are more industries than Lagos.

Lagos does not have more factories than Anambra state alone. They may have more big brand factories, but not more factories (Especially small scale).
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 9:13am On Jan 11, 2011
Eko Ile:
Abeg stop bothering me with the same irrelevant nonsense, post the list or STFU.


I have called names now, you have pissed in your pants. You are calling Pencil, bread and butter factories, and beating your chest. LMAO! Anuofia.
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 9:05am On Jan 11, 2011
Eko Ile:
I'm really not interested in your nonsensical rubbish. The only way to prove people wrong is by posting your own list and facts, not by regurgitating irrelevant nonsense.


Like I said, what you're doing is called intellectual laziness. Don't run your mouth about what you can not prove.  Put your money where your mouth is. Stop being lazy. Give us the list of the industries or STFU.
Mention one factory in Ogun state that is as big as Innoson's factories? Before you jump and start shitting on you nappies, Innoson is owned by an independent individual without government's help. When you have answered that, research about Ogbuawa and Ibeto. Check where they have their factories. Lest I forget, have you heard of Annamco? These are major factories, and not "Moi-Moi and Agidi " Factories that you mentioned.
Moi and Agidi factories too plenty for South east that they are considered unimportant. What we call normal factories in the South East is like mega factories in the West.
Be careful, you may be killed with an "Awka made" Pump action.  wink wink wink wink wink grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 8:53am On Jan 11, 2011
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=583162.msg7506299#msg7506299 date=1294731636]I would be highly surprised if Lagos State doesn't have more factories than all of the SE. Doesn't it contribute like 40% to the Nigeria's GDP, consume 60% of Nigeria's electricity, etc? These figures are off the top of my head and are probably off to some extent, though.[/quote][b]
Nah, Lagos does not have more factories than the South East as a whole. The South East is made up of Anambra, Imo, Enugu, Abia and Ebonyi. Lagos got a high level of commercial activities, made up of import, export, service and Manufacturing. The ratio is like Import 50%, Export 10%, Services 40% and Manufacturing 10%.
Import is a major boost to the service provision sectors e.g retail, wholesale, consultancy etc. Low Manufacturing base kills the export rate. There is more export from the South South (Oil), than from Lagos state. The Headquaters of most big firms are in Lagos state and not their manufacturing bases.
Do you know that goods are made in Abia state, Anambra state etc and sent to Lagos states to be sold? This is due to the High population rate in Lagos state.
Lagos is strategically bad for manufacturing. Why would you manufacture a product that would cost more than it's imported substitutes (Considering ethe Ports)? It is easier to carry out low scale manufacturing in areas that are far from the ports to take advantage of the nearness to consumers.
In terms of electricity, it is more due to social population utility, than manufacturing rate utility.[/b]
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 8:42am On Jan 11, 2011
Eko Ile:
I really was expecting you to come up with your own list instead of the useless talk.

I did my research and I back it up with my own facts, it is not up to me to help you dig up facts to counter my own facts, it is up to you to do your own research to discount and discredit mine.

What you're doing is called intellectual laziness. Don't run your mouth about what you can not prove.  Put your money where your mouth is. Stop being lazy.
LOL! You just cracked me up. You don't need to be insolent. Okay where do you want me to start from? Is it in Motorcycles assembly plants, Motorcylcle parts moulding plants, Automobile molding plants, Car Assembly plant, Paint manufacturing factories, Soap making factories, Cloths, Cement, Oil, electronics etc If you even want factories that manufature illegal stuffs like Guns, I can name for you, Just that you have to keep it confidential.  grin

You used to hear of "Aba Made"? How popular was it, and how difficult was it to know the difference between "Aba made" and the original?

I don't want to waste my time on this. I am keeping to the question that is bugging my mind. How come the West and North remained at this level till the East recuperated and caught up? Forget that I am Igbo,  Does that fact not bother you?
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 8:27am On Jan 11, 2011
Eko Ile:
Let's make this easy, put you money where your mouth is,

I have nothing less than 81 major industries on this list, please give me just 50 in iboland combined,

http://www.ogunstate.gov.ng/iits.php



This is babapupa
My friend, don't talk ignorantly. Your assertion is wrong. Ogun state gat less factories than Anambra state (E.g Awka and Onitsha). Do a research and find out. I know because I have lived and done business for more than 3 years in both states. I know what I am saying. You can only mention Lagos, and yet Lagos cannot be said to have more factories than the whole of South East.
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 8:22am On Jan 11, 2011
Ola edo:
There is no need to talk like this.Disrespect and insults are not needed in the doscussion. Keep it political.
I dint mean it to be an insult. It just implies that the Western and Northern leaders left their regions backwards despite the power they had. One would have expected something different, considering the level of tribalism at that time.
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 8:18am On Jan 11, 2011
Well, On my part, I am not attacking any ethnic group. Afterall, at the moment we are all Nigerians.
I only wish that the Leaders of the Hausa and Yoruba regions had developed their regions better with the power they had after the civil war. All these regrets and questions would have been totally unnecessary.
Imagine if Lagos, Kano, Ogun, Sokoto, Oyo, Bauchi, Ekiti, Ondo, Kaduna, Katsina, Plateau etc were beautiful and presentable mega cities, with un-interrupted power supply, good roads, good transport systems etc due to the investment of the Northern and Western dominated government after the war, the Eastern region would develop easily too and the reason for killing them in millions to make them stay would have been justified.
Anyway, there is no need crying over spilt milk, just that I never thought of the Poster's question. It indeed needs to be answered.
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 8:03am On Jan 11, 2011
babapupa:
lwkmd. Unfortunately for you and apart from[b] Lagos state, Ogun state[/b] alone get more factories and industries than the whole of igbo land combine,

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gawd, una wan Kill me with Laughter!!!!
I did my Youth service in Ogun state. Are you talking of Abeokuta or Idi roko? Where are you talking about in Ogun state? LOL! Which other states in the western region gat the Super factories that are bigger than all the factories in Igbo land.
Well, you have not answered why Yorubas and Hausas remained backwards despite winning the war and dominating leadership.
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 7:54am On Jan 11, 2011
babapupa:
You people need to get over yourselves with your silly and nonsensical tribal high horse rationalizations. All that crap has nothing to do with regional characteristics, it's all about our collective lousy leadership which ibo people are part of.


And the east was way way behind the west years before the war. What do you have to say about that? You see Yoruba people beating chest all over the place?

I don't know about Hausa people, but iboland remains way way back in the west's rear view mirror before and after the war.

Y'all need to keep quiet and give it a rest,

LMAO @ Igboland remains behind the West  before and after the war. You must be in Mars. Imo, Abia, Anambra, Enugu, Ebonyi, Cross River, Akwa Ibom, Bayelsa, Delta, Rivers (Eastern areas destroyed during the war). Apart from Lagos state and Abuja (Developed from Leverages as the Federal capitals before and after the war), compare any Western or Northern state with the ex- Biafran states.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ReFoFp0Gs&feature=related

Watch this Video, Listen to 4:46 carefully.
I am not here to argue about which tribe is better.
My problem is, Why did the Yorubas and Hausa's not develop Nigeria, since they dominated power?
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 7:40am On Jan 11, 2011
Aigbofa:
The FG did not have to be nice to the defeated ibos, but it was. Your land could have been plundered even further and those reinstated back into the civil service could have been permanently fired. Your economic activities curtailed. Today, you will not be talking about catching up with jack.
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=583162.msg7505984#msg7505984 date=1294727648]Not sure which account you read of the war , but supply planes were permitted to be flown in. Gowon was extremely generous in that regard, actually. And at some point if your people are starving to death, then it seems to me that quickly seeking an end to a war is a good idea.[/quote]

Even If the FG did not continue to kill the Igbos and violation our wives, the Hausas and Yorubas should still have been way ahead of the Igbos. Question is, did they stop developing their regions in order for Igbos to meet up? They gave us a little fairness and we still caught up with their regions. Is it no shameful? I am Igbo, but I am not happy that the Yorubas and Hausas refused to develop their regions with the power they had advantage of. Nigerians would have been alot better if th morons had developed their regions atleast. Who knows, Igbos would have leaned on them and developed faster too.
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 7:32am On Jan 11, 2011
Akhenaten:
Justcash, to be fair to the Yoruba, they haven't really been in power. Ever since the capitulation of the Ndi Igbo during the Civil War, the North has called the shots in Nigeria. Northern domination was complete after their rival, the Igbo were dealt with. Yoruba elite were used as pawns by the Northern leadership, so you cannot truly say that the Yoruba have been part of the political power. However, economically, the Yoruba were able to make gains in that realm, but that short term gain has been eliminated.

Yes, still, it is shameful that the Yorubas allowed themselves to be used as Pawns and dumped. They played an important part in the civil war e.g exploits of Adekunle and Obasanjo. One would expect that they should have had a good reason for doing that. Even if they had not dominated the main realm of power, they were favored. They had Lagos, and Lagos was the most developed at that time. Why didn't the development spread to Oyo, Ogun Osun and other Yoruba states? Why did they stick to Lagos? It is really not an excuse. They should have been way ahead. It would have not only given them a bragging right, but it would have made them the reason for Nigerians to be proud of being Nigerians. Go to the same Lagos, the Igbos are dominating commercial activities.
PoliticsRe: Don't The Igbos Deserve A Round Of Applause? by Justcash(m): 7:20am On Jan 11, 2011
babapupa:
Ibo people and delusions sha, talk about short man's syndrome. The fact that you people needlessly beat your chest to convince people about what your are obviously not means you have insecurity issues and you ain't s/hit.
[b]There is no doubt that the development of the Igbos was slowed down by the civil war. Irrespective of that, the Igbos still rose to the same level that the "Victors" are at the moment (Which is still not high). Is it not commonsensical that one would expect the Hausas and Yorubas to be way ahead of Igbos, especially in terms of development and basic infrastructures. It is not a thing to be happy about. Infact if the Hausas and Yorubas had built upon their victory to use the leadership that they dominated for many years to ensure development (in the Western and Northern Regions), Nigerians would atleast have had something to be proud of. Instead they sat on the Igbos and refused to develop.
Come to think of it, it is really shameful that the Yoruba and Hausa leaders could make nothing out of their domination of power for many years. It is very very shameful. What their victory and political domination brought was pain, poverty, death, under-development, acute rot in the system etc. Their own people are suffering very much.
The reason why I respect Obasanjo so much is that he is one of the most neutral leaders Nigeria ever had. He brought the Igbos into his leadership team, during his tenure e.g Soludo, Dora Akunyili, ezekwesili etc and they made a great impact. The difference was very clear.  For instance, One wonders how the CBN was performing before Soludo. Obasanjo threw ethnic bigotry into the bin, and brought in Soludo after sacking Sanusi. We all know about the revolution that happened. The fool, Atiku is taking credit of doing that now (When infact his small brain would have made him to appoint a nursery school teaching Mallam from Adamawa as CBN governor, if he was in Obasanjo's position)
Well no insult intended, the Hausa and Yoruba political leaders should be ashamed of themselves. My only regret is that they succeeded in turning modern Igbo leaders into their likes.[/b]
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Can Learn A Lot From Traditional Igbo Democracy by Justcash(m): 5:50am On Jan 09, 2011
[b]The diverse traditional political orientation of Nigerian regions is one major reason why Nigeria cannot exist peacefully as one.

The North and West had traditional centralized political systems, where the Obas, Sultans, etc were the heads of their areas. Their political systems were dictatorial and centralized. Traditional heads were bowed to and thoroughly respected. The only difference between the traditional political system in the North and West was that , while the Emirs and Sultans in the North were absolutely supreme (Like gods), the Obas in the west were not really supreme, cos their actions could be questioned and they could even be asked to commit suicide by the kingmakers.

In the East, it was totally different. There were more assemblies of leaders (Heads of families/representatives of villages and towns) than monarchs. Decisions were made through consensus among the representatives, and leadership decisions were thoroughly challenged (Leaders needed to thoroughly satisfy the members of the assembly or face intense opposition). Because of this political orientation, other Nigerian ethnic groups think that Eastern Nigerians are not organized. It was also the reason why the British (Used to centralized system of governance) abhorred the Eastern part of the country in favor of the North and West.

This difference in political orientation among Nigerian ethnic groups is the major source of political violence in Nigeria. The present crop of Eastern politicians are after amassing wealth, and are ready to lick the shoes of political god-fathers in order to gain the political post that can aid their goals. The issue of god-fatherism was introduced in the East by Politicians influenced by the North and West e.g Zik, Ekwueme, Orji Kalu, Chris Uba etc. This god-fatherism stuff is alien to Eastern areas.
Imagine the North existing on their own, with their preferred Centralized political system that supports their religious  beliefs? They will simply move ahead in peace like Malaysia, Dubai, Iran etc
Imagine the West with a centralized political system that supports the existence of their centralized monarchical system? They will move on like the British, Turkish, Irish, Scottish, Malaysians etc
Imagine the East with their Republican system of government, which will support their decentralized political system, and democratic nature? They will live in peace and move on like the Americans and other republican countries.

To force these regions to exist as one, irrespective of their traditional political orientation can be likened to a shabby attempt to ensure an "Assimilation" policy that can never succeed.[/b]
PoliticsRe: Chime Holds Secret Meeting With Fashola, Fayemi by Justcash(m): 3:58am On Jan 09, 2011
And Y'all think that PDP will sit and Watch unfolding events like dummies? The demons in PDP will ensure that a Genocide occurs before ACN can overthrow them politically. They are too power drunk. You guys should stop dreaming. Just my thought.
PoliticsRe: Protest In Central Nigerian City After Muslims Killed by Justcash(m): 3:42am On Jan 09, 2011
Split Nigeria. Split the freaking country (Animal farm), so that the pigs can lead themselves, and others can choose their destiny. Nonsense!
PoliticsRe: Buhari Says-there May Be No Nigeria In 2011 by Justcash(m): 6:01pm On Jan 08, 2011
Buhari is stating the obvious. Considering the way that ATIKU and ACF are taking Nigeria's leadership as their birth right, It is impossible for Nigeria not to break up. Except ATIKU and ACF chills down, they may regret their actions in future.
It will only take Southern Nigeria (SE, SW, SS) + Mid-belt to agree to a break up from Nigeria, for the country to become history. The North cannot fight in this case, except they want to commit self-inflicted Genocide.
PoliticsPdp Wins In Delta State by Justcash(op): 2:31pm On Jan 07, 2011
Uduaghan has just been announced as the winner of the Delta state governorship election re-run.

http://www.thisdayonline.com/
PoliticsRe: Official Thread::: Delta State Election Rerun by Justcash(m): 2:27pm On Jan 07, 2011
Uduaghan has been announced as the Winner.
PoliticsRe: Witches And Wizards Warn Atiku by Justcash(m): 10:00am On Jan 07, 2011
LOL!
PoliticsRe: Jega Should Not Be Judged With The Current Delta State Governorship Election by Justcash(op): 9:48am On Jan 07, 2011
Mobinga:
Then with all these facts known, why is the election still being carried out? Knowing fully well that its the previous voters register and thumb-print method? So Delta State is like a playstation? Its like a joke? The current election is like a waste?
This is a RE-RUN, which means the same election would be conducted again, with the same aspirants and registered electorates voting again. Anyway, you don't expect INEC to re-register these electorates again, when they had a register that was used in that same annulled election. Moreover, the election was canceled because it was rigged, and not because the voters register was faulty. You also don't expect the deployment of the DDC machine in this elections, cos it would serve as a reason for the aspirants to go to court again.
I don't like PDP too, but the truth must be said. If they win, then they won.
PoliticsRe: Jega Should Not Be Judged With The Current Delta State Governorship Election by Justcash(op): 9:30am On Jan 07, 2011
Mobinga:
Then he should be judged by what? If PDP wins this, there's simply no hope.
It is not about PDP, it is about Nigerians. Which people are the thugs? Which people collect money to vote for PDP? The answer is the Electorates.
These thugs are the same people that will go kidnapping, blowing pipelines etc in the name of bad governance, yet they are instrumental in voting the idiots in. Where is MEND now? Is it not time for them to ensure that the right people are elected?I even heard someone complaining about PDP sharing money, when he collected money and voted for them.
JEGA has put the necessary things in place to make a credible election inevitable. Atleast the only way rigging can occur in 2011 elections is for parties to bribe the voters to thumb print for the party they are opposed to. If that is done, then it is still part of politics, cos it was used to win votes. Politics is who gets what, when and how.

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