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HustlaOfLagos:


I remember when Justwise used to blame all and sundry for speaking about healthcare visas and saying Nigerians can switch to whatever career they want after 5 years even though the signs were there that the gov would soon start to target that sector.

I wonder if he still shares the same sentiment

Yes I still share the same sentiment.

What is happening now is not unexpected considering the level of abuse carried out by mainly Nigerians and Indians, I only feel sorry for genuine visa holders who played by the book but unfortunately the sins of others are rubbed on innocent ones.

The policy is very very harsh beyond what I anticipated but no country will tolerate this level of visa abuse, though UKIV helped in someways encouraged the abuse.

Regex:
I did it online.

If they need extra document they will contact you but you can quickly get NIN, you can get it in a day

Regex:
I didn't see any space like that. I don't have any national ID. Do I go to evident and submit it as I have already submitted application?

When are you going for biometric appointment?

Regex:
I did it but it couldn't let me go through. However I have put in a future date. Hope it's OK? Justwise and all@

Yes use future date and explain it using the space for additional information, you also have to submit the expired passport and any ID issued by Nigerian govt like NIN

Goal!!!!!! Nig

Segun2222:
you prefer a civil war where millions will die instead? and there still wont be a solution

Honestly this is the shocking thing about the whole debate, about 100K Christians sadly killed already but strangely certain people think that killing even more people will bring peace and security.

Jamesclooney:
Guys,
[bL]et’s ease up on Justwise, it’s starting to feel like a pile on[/b]. We don’t all have to agree on every issue, but it’s clear he’s in the minority on this one. That’s one reason I like elections or voting, they put an end to endless debates. Some people usually course correct pretty quickly or simply persist and stand on their principles. Fine either way.

Good news is, it seems the govt has finally woken up and are doing all they can to avert Trump’s intervention. Let’s hope they sustain it and put a stop to it once and for all.

Oh! please don't say that, my position on this hasn't changed and it i will never. I stopped replying those that qouted my post because i dont want to keep repeating myself

jedisco:
I find it worrying that despite asking repeatedly, the only solution you're offering to what is increasingly the certain demise of many Nigerians is for them to sit and wait for their turn.
My posts on this have been clear. Never been a fan of Trump (even opined he may be looking to bully Nigeria and Africa through this). Neither am I oblivious of his possible underlying motives. However, I cannot tell those who have seen their villages decimated over the last decade to sit and wait for their turn.

What is worrying here is the fact that you knew that American military intervention will lead to disaster in Nigeria but in an attempt to sound sympathetic you are still suggesting that military intervention is the only solution for the killing going on.

I have listed a number of possible solutions here but as that is not what you want to hear you keep asking me to repeat it again and again.

jedisco:
Again, I am not in support of a U.S intervention or violation of our sovereignty but I cannot look at those being whose relatives are being murdered and tell them to wait for their turn. The image of a butchered truck of bodies brought in or burning bodies during riots is forever etched in my memory.

In practical terms, could you give an answer to my questions

You are.

jedisco:
I'm struggling to get your practical take on this.

Some folks in Jos pushed to raise awareness of this in the U.S after years of begging for help

1. What is your advise to folks in Jos or southern Kaduna who have seen village after vilage decimated and much of their kit and kin killed? All this happened while they were begging the Nigerian society to come to their rescue. What would be your advise- should the remaining residents of Kagoro sit and beg the government while waiting for their turn to be killed?

2. What if it was your village and relatives being affected- would that change your response? If 17 members of your family were machetted down in a day (like someone I know), would your response still be to keep waiting for the government?

Lastly, If the answer is to beg the government, how long do they need to do that before it becomes obvious it's not working?

Do you know the strange thing about many of you in support of American military intervention is that you can not provide a single evidence that it has ever worked anywhere in the world but you still support it.

Let me ask you this...give me one country that America has helped militarily to bring about peace and security, one.

If America truly care about the 'cherished Christians in Nigeria and want to put pressure on Nigeria govt to do more then there are many other tools they can use to intensify the pressure..sanction Nigerian politicians, seize their assets, travel ban including their families, work with Nigerian military by sharing intelligent about the location of these militants, cut off their weapon supply channel, supply Nigerian military with weapons, the same level of support Israel received to go after Hamas in Gaza and outside Gaza city.
America did all that without carrying out air strike or putting foot on ground.

You know why they haven't do that or interested in doing that? This is not about cherished Christians getting killed, they want to get hold of Nigerian natural resources and control the govt as they have done in every single country they forced their way into.

If you think that the American govt give a sh.t about the killing in Nigeria then i want you to pass over to me whatever you have been smoking

Zahra29:
I believe under the Danish model, temporary means until their home country is judged to be safe to return. For example Denmark recently deemed Syria a safe country and refused to renew the residence permits of Syrian refugees.

We'll find out more when the policy details are announced, but I imagine that if an asylum seeker enters into a genuine and subsisting marriage with a British citizen, and meets relevant legal requirements, then they should be allowed to settle under the spousal route.

That is the loophole in this policy, this policy is not actually new, yrs ago Zimbabweans were allowed to stay in the UK when Mugabe was running his thing until when Zimbabwean situation gets better

Zahra29:
The Home Secretary is set to announce a major shake-up of the immigration and asylum system later this month.

Shabana Mahmood will model some of her new measures on the Danish system - seen as one of the toughest in Europe.

It is understood officials have been looking at Denmark's tighter rules on family reunion and restricting most refugees to a temporary stay in the country.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2lknr2d3go

...For those who say that the government encourages the boat crossings and is very soft on asylum seekers.

But most people who have been successfully granted asylum when fleeing conflicts are now only allowed to remain in the country on a temporary basis

Temporary basis means? 2 or 3 yrs? What happens if the individual get married to a British citizen? .

Kenn55:
I'll take you serious only when you or your family members relocate to those communities under attack. You stay in your safe environment and you dismiss the cry for help from the victims.

You think the Nigerian government who are thinking of winning 2027 will go hard on the fulani terrorists that would upset their base? Are you this naive? Why haven't they done it for more than a decade?

Yes, America war on terror hasn't been a success in most places but it doesn't mean it will fail in this case. All cases aren't the same. Even if it fails, the victims have nothing more to lose cos they are already being wiped out gradually. He who is on the ground fears no fall.

Something else has to be done to try to stop this madness and I don't care where it is going to come from. Saving the lives of the victims is more important than the politics of the people involved at this point. How else do you want me to say this?

Say it with your thinking cap on and say it without emotion.

You knew that American war on terror never worked but some how you want them to use Nigeria as their next killing field?

Jamesclooney:
So following your “logic”, let the status quo of killings continue unabated because it is only the inept Nigeria government that can take action (issue that started since 2009). Trump and other Nigerians calling for intervention be damned. Like many have said, no one cares about the pretext, just let the killings stop. Thousands killed under Tinubu govt alone. Not to talk of kidnapping and banditry.

Also please stop the red herring talk of invasion or a ground offensive; the US can send drones or missiles to take out the terrorists in the camps and enclave without one soldier setting foot on Nigerian soil. Please wake up my brother. People are dying!

No you need to wake up because you have been in coma since 2003, America has never won any war on terror whether troop on ground or by air strike, America has never bring peace and security to any country they engaged militarily.

They will fail miserably in Nigeria the same way to failed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc. Boke haram and other militant groups will be even stronger by the time America withdraw in shame leaving Nigeria in pieces

jedisco:
Let's be practical here. Whats the solution?

What should I tell someome who has seen their family nembers r**ped, killed, kidnapped, burnt alive? To wait and hope? I have seen folks who had their whole family wiped out and only escaped via a stroke of luck.

For all intents, Trump may be using this to bully Nigeria into subservience given our refusal to acquiesce to his plan to deport untethered folks to Nigeria- a move which might have given other African nations the nerve to say no. Or perhaps, he is trying to shift attention from his turbulent dip at the polls.
All said, as much as I despise Trump, given what I've seen, I cannot in all honesty tell folks caught up in this to sit and wait.

I have stated the solution here before and my view on that hasn't changed.

Trump doesn't give a toilet brush about Christians in Nigeria or human life in general, the current Nigerian govt and previous administrations have failed Nigeria but they are the only one that can fix this mess.

If the American military forces start operation in Nigeria the situation will get worst, more ''cherished Christians'' will die and peace and security will be a distant memory

jintex:
Then about a dependent?

The same, if you are not making money with that car and you are on a limited income then you got no business buying a car.

Driving the car to work and park it then drive home after work...is not what i meant by car making money for you.

Kenn55:
Did you just say Nigerian government is the solution? Are you being sarcastic?
For decades nigerian government has been pampering these fulani terrorists while they kept killing upon killing with no end in sight. The same government crushes any other threat in any other part of the country but won't ever go hard on these special terrorists.
It is easy to sit in the comfort of your safe cities in the south or abroad and be saying no to foreign military intervention, please ask people in the line of fire crying for help for decades without any if they give a damn about foreign military intervention.
Nobody likes a foreign military intervention in their country but if your country is useless and can't protect you and will never protect you at least we have seen this evidence for more than a decade then no big deal about foreign military intervention.
If these terrorists killing Christians are also killing Muslims as claimed then doesn't it mean eliminating these terrorists also end the killing of Muslims? Will it not also benefit the Muslim community who are also victims? What is the brouhaha all about?
Two things can be true at the same time. Trump is a werey, I'm not his fan and can never be his fan. But if his intervention whether by threats or an actual strikes is going to stop these unnecessary killings in the middle belt, I'll take it irrespective of his motives. For goodness sake, there are people who have lost their families and can't go near their communities anymore cos they have been captured by fulani terrorists and we are still here debating, where was nigerian government all these while?

No i'm not, i'm dead serious, the solution to the killing falls on the feet of Nigerian govt and not American military intervention.

American politicians and Trump have used the figure 100,000 Christians killed in Nigeria since 2009 , that figure is from[b] InterSociety[/b], the same organisation reported that in the same period 60,000 "moderate Muslims" also died, did you hear Trump and his bootlickers mentioned that? No, do you have any idea how many American died of mass shooting last year alone? 711 , in 2023 average of 18,854 , figure for 2021 is 48,830 , why haven't the American govt stopped mass shooting by simply restricting gun ownership?

OdogwuEkeke:
Hello Nairalanders,

I hope everyone is doing well.

I've been surprised to see many people still considering the UK study route. While it's ultimately your decision, I want to share a few things that agents and universities might not tell you.

First, many UK universities are facing financial difficulties as international students reconsider the UK. For instance, the University of Derby is running a £40 million deficit and laying off over 200 staff. This instability can affect your experience.

Second, the stress here is different from what we're used to in Nigeria. You will work hard for every penny, and without serious discipline, saving will be a major challenge. The pressure is real—I've sadly lost two friends to stress-related issues here. If you do come, please make your health a priority.

Furthermore, immigration rules are constantly changing. There are talks of reducing the post-study work visa to 18 months. Ask yourself: Do you have enough transferable skills to secure a sponsored job in that tight window? Moving abroad is a marathon, not a sprint. The journey doesn't end with getting a visa or boarding the plane. How will you manage repayments when you're limited to 20 hours of work per week? The truth is, 20 hours is rarely enough, and it will be tough.

If you were my younger sibling, I would not advise you to come to the UK. I would instead suggest Europe, where you're almost certain to get a passport within five years. The only catch is learning a language—which is a valuable skill for your resume.

Enough of my rant. Here’s what I suggest:

Option A: Focus on Other Countries
Consider countries like Portugal, Italy, the Netherlands, Germany, Spain, or New Zealand. After five years of work, you can typically get a passport. You'll also have access to the entire Schengen area. It’s often cheaper than the UK, and the path to citizenship is more certain.

Option B: You Really Want to Be in the UK

While sourcing school fees, also save for a car. Get an international driver's license before you arrive, and obtain a full UK license as soon as you can. It is more valuable than your masters, e get why

Get an SIA license- it will help you find flexible, cash-in-hand security jobs.

Focus on in-demand sectors that offer sponsorship, such as HGV (truck) driving or healthcare. Don’t waste time on a degree that won’t help you survive.

Option C: You Just Want a UK Degree

Apply for scholarships that cover everything, including your flight. You can use your time in the UK to activate plans for Canada or any other place, then return to Nigeria after your Master's and prepare for the move.

Consider a Unicaf scholarship to earn a UK Master's from Nigeria. Travel only for graduation, and use that degree to apply for a PhD in a country that offers a clearer path to residency.

Think carefully and plan wisely. All the best.

I will not encourage any foreign student on a limited resource to buy a car, get SIA licence yes but buying a car will cost you more. Road tax, insurance, petrol, parking cost will likely drain your limited income.

babajeje123:
Justwise, Nigerians are not getting killed by militants. They are getting killed by Fulani Herdsmen, Islamic Jihadists, and Boko Haram. Let's start by calling a spade what it is first. That said, the killings started in the North with Christians as the main victims. The silence of the Nigeria government, coupled with the supports these terrorists received from some state governors and Islamic leaders like Gumi, made the killings continue, and the Muslims are now becoming victims.

Trump is not starting any religious war in Nigeria. The war started many years back in the North and gradually, it's coming to the South. We need all the external supports we can get to end these ethnic cleansing and religious genocides since our governments, both state and Federal, are highly useless.

They can also be referred to as militants, you can decide to call them by their group name or affiliations.

Again both Christians and Muslims are getting killed, this is not about only Christians ONLY, i will also suggest that more Muslims are getting killed than Christians in the North.

Trumps focus on Christians only is a cynical way to start a religious war, show me a single verifiable report that stated that only Christians are getting killed in the North. JUST ONE. Please don't give a report from InterSociety.

If this military intervention starts it will not start and end in the North, it will spread to the South and the East, even more Christians will be killed.

This is my prayer to you all supporting this military intervention: May you live to see the consequences of what you supported.

babajeje123:
Justwise, what's the solution?

Nigerian govt is the solution, the Nigeria govt knew those sponsoring the extremist groups, the Nigerian govt knew how they get amination supply, Nigerian govt can equip our military to get the job done. All these militant groups are political tools in the hands of some northern politicians. We do not need a foreign military intervention.

jedisco:
With the way things are, the killings and desensitisation to them have become too much.

Without being a fan of Trump, the Nigerian government has failed to step up and address this. Yet, our politicians increasingly feed fat. I cannot in all honesty tell someome who has seen their family and many more murdered not to seek help especially if I'm not providing a reasonable alternative.

With what I know about the north and direction of travel so far, this menace may ultimately lead to the end of Nigeria if not well handled.

Totally agreed but military intervention by a foreign govt is never the solution as that never worked anywhere in the world.

American defence contractors are rubbing their hands together now waiting to start selling guns and other aminations to us and laugh their way to the bank. We will pay for this war with our resources while the country is destroyed and the war will never end.

babajeje123:
I know two people who had near death experience in the Northern part of Nigeria, and both are Christians. One had his head butchered by Fulani herdsmen in the middle of the night and left him in the pool of his blood. Thank God grace saved him. The second person, a lady, living in southern Kaduna then. While the Islamic Jihadists were on rampage when El-Rufai was the Governor, she took to her heels for safety and had no place to hide save a pit where they already dumped about 30 dead bodies. She jumped in and pretended to be dead. She was there for almost 12 hours before help came.
These ones, and many other Nigerians who were victims have a different opinion from yours. By the way, both of them are in the UK now.

Sure but when American military intervention in Nigeria starts they will share the same opinion with me, throughout the history American military intervention never lead to peace and American never won any war against terrorism, but America have destroyed every single country they went into.

Nigerians are getting killed by militants, both Christians and Muslims, Trump is trying to start a religious war by making it look as if only Christians are getting killed.

Switruth:
I used to respect and support vdm but after his gbola baring on internet .. I lost it for him... He said MNK will spend 20 years in jail..... Since then his followers start to drop.

You never supported him, a lot of VDM haters start their statement like you just did. VDM followers never drop rather more people follow him daily. VDM indeed run social media.

No elected Nigerian official have done 1% of what VDM has done within short period of time

tshabalala:
Let me assume that 1 id!0t is impersonating you.
Try and be very careful.

The same person here https://www.nairaland.com/8531392/phone-stolen

Regex:
Bikonu, gents and birds in the house, my passport expired. I have applied for a renewal (still haven't received it since September). I will be renewing my skilled worker visa. Will the expired passport affect me?

Justwise

Lexusgs430

No it will not.

Jamesclooney:
I hear you — I agree Donald Trump is a racist, authoritarian, corrupt etc. POTUS.

However, the tension he is giving Tinubu and the useless APC aides is giving me so much joy. They thought they were untouchables, acting with impunity.

Whether Trump attacks or not, the message is clear. I expect them to sit up and stop junketeering and stop buying off opposition politics to defect to APC (two years before a general election). Kai, I have never seen a more useless Nigerian administration.

I really hope so, probably the only good thing that might come out of this.

Goke7:
He’s just appealing to his white evangelical friends and voters ahead for the midterms. Remember there is really nothing much to campaign than religion right now, especially when the economy is not going the right route.

My fear is that he is desperately looking for a way to take the headlines away from Epstein files release and the shutdown..starting a needless war will help him achieve that

Goke7:
😂 is that not how they celebrate Aunty kemi anytime she opens her mouth against Nigeria until she starts showing everyone wotowoto

Anyway make Baba rest today cos it’s a holy day and thou shall not kill is what the holy book says before Christian genocide will get another name

Trump does not care about Christians or peace in Nigeria, its all about the natural resource, Muslims are getting killed more than even Christian but he did not mention that., He wants to turn Nigeria to another Iraq in the name of fighting terrorist

I see many ignorant Nigerians are celebrating this post from one of the dumbest president America has ever elected.

If America is allowed to attack BokoHaram and other militant groups in Nigeria then this is the start of our own Afghanistan, Iraq etc.

American military intervention in any country has never lead to peace, infact all the countries American troop went into is now in the hands of those they went to fight.

The little peace Nigerians enjoy now will be a distance memory if Trump is allowed to carry out this threat.

jedisco:
Hehe... you see wetin I dey tok.

Aggressive blokes full ground

Exactly why i don't do dm thing, i keep all nairaland related open here

Marcgrace:
Hello@justwise

Thanks for your advice. May I ask you a few more questions through email?

Sorry i don't do email, i keep everything open here.

Marcgrace:
Hello@justwise

For the US nonimmigrant B1/B2 visa application, refusals under section 214(b).
For the Schengen France short stay visa refusals, 'There are reasonable doubts as to your intention to leave the territory of the Member states before the visa expires.'

Ok so declare all the visa refusals, you got no choice, visa refusal is not the prob, the prob comes when people are not honest about it