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giselle237:
i totally share your sentiments.
However, this case is different.
If you check the Canada thread, he is the one that does it especially if you live outside Lagos state.
Police clearance only comes from Lagos and Abuja.
If u live outside lagos and consider transportation to lagos, hotel bills and all.. you could decide to go for non appearance as it saves cost.
The last poster said he can't come from UK to Nigeria and as such I was giving him an option for non-appearance because it works. I was wondering how this poster will come all the way to Nigeria for PCC, at least this person can get it done for him.. I also told him what d real cost is and what not to exceed.

Olawamiwale06:
Pls cheaper countries like?

solalal36:
Hello, I recently got a conditional offer for postgraduate admission. However, one of the conditions is to "provide satisfactory documentation which evidences reasons for gap in studies".
This is where the problem lies.... I graduated in 2018 and finished NYSC service year in October 2019. I have documents to prove this.. I got a small teaching job January 2020(no appointment letter, no documents at all), three months later, Corona pandemic came and when schools resumed, the owner closed down the school(Mental breakdown). So, I haven't been employed since then but I have been tutoring university applicants. Please, how do I provide documents for the last one year.
NB: I gave this info in my personal statement..

cc justwise

79733139:
DisGuy, justwise: Hello, I typed a comment in French in the Travel section thread about the TEF exam (the French exam) and I got baned by the antispam bot. Please could you unban?

mentored:
Yes Please

it is a University owned student accommodation

Many thanks @justwise

Will advice her to head to the police station

mentored:
Good day everyone

I Thank you all for your contributions on this platform

Please I have a question.

I friend of mine in the UK (a student) received her NI letter, but the part that was supposed to have her NI number was cut off with a scissors.

Even the envelop was cut off.

Please is this from NI office, if yes, what is the implication.

If No, should she report to the police, as there is NI fraud going on at the moment.

nihilistjnr:
If you follow the case closely, you will find that Shemima lost her case at Supreme Court specifically because of a private admission from their foreign ministry to the UK high commission in Dhaka that she was a Bangladeshi Citizen.

It was after that admission, that their foreign ministry changed tack from saying she's not a citizen to she would tried as s terrorist and sentenced to death if she returned to Bangladesh.

Edit: it's interesting to note that Shemima legal team(funded by UK taxpayers btw) never even attempted to argue to the appeals court that the UK government has made her stateless thus breaching her human rights

Instead, she was arguing that she should be allowed to come to UK so that she could continue her appeal process

See below

icon8:
Let me help you out...

We know that she chose to join a terrorist organisation and she may have committed heinous and unspeakable crimes, but like every accused, she should have the right to face her accuser. We denounce her and condemn her choice in its entirety, but, bring her home, charge her, try her, sentence her (if she’s found guilty), and lock her up forever (if that’s what she gets). No one cares. Let justice be done, but in the right way!

We also know that it is reprehensible and illegal to render someone stateless. She only has (well....like someone pointed out yesterday, had) British citizenship, and taking that away from her effectively rendered her stateless, which is a violation of her fundamental human rights and against the United Nations Human Rights Convention. But Her Majesty’s Government’s argument was that even though she only had British citizenship, she could potentially be able to acquire the citizenship of her parents’ birth country, if she applied. Therefore, taking her British citizenship away technically should not render her stateless, since she can apply for the citizenship of her parents’ birth country, to which the Bangladeshi government responded as not possible, which makes her stateless as we speak!

Now, this is the point and our concern for our children and their children after them. The British State has created a 2-tier natural citizenship, and with it, 2-tier rights and privileges, which should be a source of concern for every new generation immigrant. The first tier is for those who can only trace their roots to Britain (3 generations maybe) with its own set of laws - including not being able to revoke their citizenship even if they commit terrorism, because they have no other country to potentially claim. The second tier is for those who could trace their roots to somewhere else (possibly up to the 3rd generation) and the fate of this people (including all our children and their children’s children) is that their citizenship, which they acquired as a right when they were born (like every other natural born British citizen) could be taken away from them unilaterally (without trial, without fair hearing, just by the order of the Home Secretary) if they commit an act deemed terrorism by whoever is in charge at that point. This has now been challenged up to the Supreme Court and the Government has won.

Now, this is the danger. It is terrorism they are using today - and we all agree that terrorism is a heinous and abominable crime - but it could be applied to any crime tomorrow or in 50 years. Imagine the government removing your grandchildren and repatriating them to Nigeria (which they possibly never lived or even visited) on some trumped up charges, simply because their grandparents’ roots can be traced to Nigeria. Yes, it is a possibility. Anything is possible in an unjust society, and what happened to the Jews in Hitler’s Germany started as a noble cause. Then it went on and on until it was used to target a specific set of people, and the rest is history.

No one is holding court for the girl. No one here is in support of terrorism. We are only looking beyond the thin veil of this litmus test case, and expressing our concern for the dangers it portends for the future of our children, and their children after them, just because their forebears were recent immigrants. The only reason the government was able to take Shamima’s citizenship away was because her parents were immigrants. Maybe not racism, maybe not islamaphobia, but it certainly has discrimination written all over it, whatever name you choose to call it. And that should concern you, because of its potential future implications.

Hope this helps?

Angelswt:
Please kindly advise;

@Justwise
@Futureukstudent
@LagosismyHome
@mimilyrics
@oppsonn

deept:
How do you mean by precedent? I just want to be educated, how will it affect immigrants and chdren of immigrants in the future if they don't denounce their citizenship and join a kbown terrorist organisation to fight and kill citizens of your own country and are not remorseful about it. I believe when you do this you successfully decitizened yourself if there is a word like that

What if isis had been successful? Or they had caused significant damage to the UK before they were defeated and she wanted to comeback, should they still accept her back?

icon8:
You must know better than the UK government then, because Her Majesty’s Government has repeatedly apologised over this Windrush scandal, including by the Home Office and even the then PM, Theresa May. But here you are defending what you are ignorant of, being the wise man that you are.

Sometimes, I just can’t but wonder what qualifies one to be a moderator on this forum.

TheGuyFromHR:
Addressing your lack of knowledge about historic immigration issues, prior to 1 January 1973, anyone from the Commonwealth who moved to the UK automatically had full residence rights. In those days, even Nigerians just needed to buy a ticket and come. No visas were needed, and in may cases, some didn't even need passports, like the west Indians, some of whom came as children with their names written in on a parent's passport.

So many people came and lived here for years and didn't bother with paperwork because they thought they didn't need to, just like millions of native born citizens.

icon8:
Until it happens to you or close to home.
The Jews in pre-Nazi Germany didn’t know it could happen to them until it did.

Allow us to make our noise in peace.

QurratulAyn:
Thank you so much for your swift response @ just wise. May God bless you.

For me to have a total peace of mind just wise, I hope not disclosing it in the application form won't cause an issue upon arrival as there's no question regarding medical or pregnancy.

My husband did all the processing over there and said it's not an issue but I want to be sure? @Justwise.

TheGuyFromHR:
My brother, you just made my point.

The future is unknowable, and that is why those making noise now are making the noise.

TheGuyFromHR:
The Supreme Court actually did not put an end to her case, they said she can't come to the UK to participate in her case at last instance.

TheGuyFromHR:
I understand the issues involved well and have actually been involved in a discussion about this ad nauseam at the time Javid took the original decision.

The point, which is what JCWI and the rest are belabouring, is that while Begum's actions are extremely condemnable, the larger principle is that a second-generation Brit can be stripped of citizenship and sent back to a land they may never have known. NOT a naturalised immigrant, mark you, but their descendants. Ultimately, that renders UK citizenship of two categories, one for those whose ancestors were here when the Romans came, or who came generations ago (virtually all 'white') and one for those whose parents arrived recently (generally of darker skin colours).

That, devoid of emotion, is the point at issue.

LagosismyHome:
Both Jack Letts and Shemima have not properly challenged the UK Government in a court of law.... its until they do before it can be seen what exact legality or right did the home office have to do such

The Home office is probably just testing its powers know fully well it has no leg to stand on. ...(..Especially when in both cases even Canada said what UK did is rubbish and Bangladeshsaid she not their citizen ) .. we see that all the time, even with some HMRC Cases. Time will tell. What Shemima lost is not her case but a case to appeal the decision in person within the UK. She can put in a case to hear her appeal overseas.

Divine88:
Mr Justwise these are two different cases. Jack has a dual citizenship (Canadian & British). As the Britons stripped him of their citizenship, have the Canadian done the same? No.
But this girl in question, only had the privilege of having a single citizenship.
Anyways I have said it several times on here. What will be will be!

icon8:
Read my question again, but this time slowly.

I did not ask for news reportage (which was never confirmed officially). I asked for the announcement by the government.
Remember it was Sajid Javid himself (as Home Secretary) who announced the decision to revoke Shamima’s citizenship. No government official announced the revocation of Jack Letts’, only rumours in the newspapers that were never substantiated.

icon8:
Are you able to substantiate that claim and provide proof that Jack Letts’ citizenship was indeed revoked? Kindly point us to the official statement from the Home Office or any government agency to that effect. Official statement, please; not unsubstantiated tabloid rumours that no one has confirmed in an official capacity till date.

TheGuyFromHR:
Best comment I've read on this matter.

bale98:
Good afternoon, Please who knows any website that I can get household appliances in the UK

djo120920:
Hello all

@justwise
@stenon
@Lagosismyhome

I want to teach in the UK, but I've not been a teacher here in Nigeria. So I have a number of questions to ask:

1. Can I come over for the PGCE with QTS? Will I get a Student Visa to study that? And will my dependants be eligible to come with me, seeing as it is not a Master's?

2. Will I be able to get teaching jobs after the program, even with my PSW? So I can switch visas easily?

3. I did Mass Comm at the Undergrad level.[size=8pt][/size]
Thank you


Stenon

QurratulAyn:
I'm just scared coz the pregnancy is quite obvious. Thank you so much @justwise.

QurratulAyn:
Good day everyone. I'm a new member in this forum.

I and my son got our visa as a tier 4 dependant after 4 days of using priority service last week but I'm 5 months pregnant now.

I want to ask if pregnancy won't be a barrier from entering into the UK even thou it's already ticked in the TB result @Justwise @Mimilyric. Thanks

toyclicks:
Hello fam. Its been a while here.
Question: Given these developments

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56123668

https://www.ft.com/content/8d39472b-12a1-4754-bb11-b9149dab2872

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56412397

Can students now do Uber at off term time?

cc: Mimilyrics
Justwise et al

marylandcakes:
She was a traitor to the UK. Due to her actions it led to the death of other British nationals fighting for their country. I agree she doesn’t need to be let back into the UK as she is a threat.

DisGuy:
so that's same with Begum girl, if Syria/Turkey were to arrest and punish her- the only place they could have sent her back to afterwards; is her country. The British shouldn't be allowed to export their problems

DeGreatWon:
I see lots of emotions without fact here. Yes she left UK for Syria, but she was a *minor. Adults and minors are not treated same way.
Secondly, no criminal act could be linked to her which is why UK denied her entry. She can not be convicted in any court. There is zero evidence against her.
I agree she might be a threat to the UK but there is no evidence to support this. Don't forget that a London Met Police officer is being prosecuted for abduction and murder. Can anyone imagine this.
Legally UK action is baseless and the girl is unfairly treated. This decision could really escalate her hatred for UK government.

Technically, UK government killed her innocent child despite appeal from UN and made her stateless thereby exposing her more to radicalism. Wrong precedents was set in all ramifications.

DisGuy:
That's the point she is not a Kenyan citizen hence her country should accept their terrorist back- the only passport begum had was the British one, so they should deal with their problem; After all they were looking to get her back when she went missing. She should be in British prison-