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South-Africa sold very poor quality MRAPs to Nigeria.

Look at the state of the Reva MRAPs we purchased in 2015, brand new.

Former President Jonathan gave Cameron a very robust response.

toluxa1:


Village people got ur back
problem is when u trek 2km to work just to get there and realize that you forgot the office key at home. So you managed to trek back home leaving your heavy bag at the office doorstep...
On getting home, you realized that your house key is in the bag you left at the Office Doorstep... You got upset, but had no choice, so you trekked back to the office again, picked up your bag angrily, and trekked your way back home again..
On getting home, you dipped your hand in your bag, only to realize that the office key was in your bag all along...
Now you sit on the floor shouting... "Make una kuku kill me ooohhh village people".

Hahahahaahahahahahahaahahaha

Damn!!!

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this with Defenceweb.co.za and Nigeria.

I think Defenceweb, the South-African defence news web always gives favourable coverage to Nigeria.

They seem to support Nigeria's defence industry a lot with positive news coverage. I noticed this very well with the Proforce Ara MRAP.

Big ups to them.

Odunayaw:
ipv 2

Thanks.

Nigerian army locally made vehicle.

Please what is this called?

jln115:
2. Ok answer this, the Casspir was built in the 80s, the word MRAP has only existed since around 2006.........So what did they call the Casspir before 2006??

Future MRAP.

I just came across this. Looks like a mine-roller attached to a lorry.

TayserMahri:
What notable weapons did they make back then?

Muskets.

TayserMahri:
Is it hundreds of years really? I think they started it in the Soviet era.

How about the time of the Tsars?

Algerian1:
Algerian navy exercise this days ,Kalibr cruse missile launched from kilo 636 M submarines to a ground target at 290 km


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41F3Gvh50E0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDiJLgYG8aM

Kalibr, this is the Russian cruise missile right?

Hailstorm45:
Algeria
Another kilo submarine exercise, this time firing at a ground target
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=113&v=kDiJLgYG8aM

Wow!!!

This is incredible.

TayserMahri:
Yea, its also amphbious. Check those waterjets at the rear I think everyone would/should consider this a personnel carrier because it can carry troops anywhere. MRAPs like Ezugwu are very limited to the local areas (what we would call patrols), preferably non-mountainous flat ones - and am not in any way trying to degrade Ezuguwu. Its a great invention from the Nigerian Defense forces and should help minimize casualties. Though I am not sure about the latter. You asked me about my view on why the Nigerian army is struggling with insurgency and I avoided that to avoid turning the thread on its head

Bro, there nothing wrong with giving an unbiased assessment without prejudice.

Kenya, Egypt are also struggling with Insurgencies.

I was only asking for your opinion, if you feel it would be best to avoid the question, that's fine.

The Russians have been developing military equipment for hundreds of years, the K-16 is in a class of it's own.

TayserMahri:
Just look at its center of gravity and compare it to the Boomerang K-16 APC below. The Ezugwu MRAP cannot carry troops to all terrain which makes it NOT APC in my opinion, among other factors. APCs take troops just about anywhere. Ezugwu can deflect mines obviously and that makes it a MRAP not an APC. Note the difference in:

MRAP: Mine Resistant Ambush Protected
APC: Armored Personnel Carrier

The K-16 Boomerang is a beast of a vehicle, wow!!

I get your point.

TayserMahri:
An APC with a cannon in excess of 20 mm is an IFV. That is according to the CFE standards. I mean APCs can barely support troops directly when faced with heavier artillery. They are not tanks. They cannot withstand direct fire.

OK, thank you for this. I understand better now.

TayserMahri:
Ezugwu is a MRAP. No two ways about it.

But it does not have MRAP design. I think it's a APC that can deflect mines. Look at it.

jln115:
will give a more detailed answer tonight but for now will leave it here:

The Nigerian defence industry has made tremendous progress in only a couple of years. And honestly I feel with enough backing from the government can become a major industry and strong competition for South Africa's defence industry.

I will be waiting for your response.

Thanks for the initial. I think it's a win-win if Nigeria and South-Africa do well.

jln115:
MRAP is just a designation used by some manufacturers and not by others.

By definition the Casspir is a MRAP but Denel simply states that its a mine protected APC.

OK.

But let me just ask you a general question. I know you are from South-Africa, can you give an unbiased view of the Nigerian defence industry?

Your own view, and which items do you like in the industry from Nigeria.

It is just a few, no hard feelings. If you don't like any too, it is also fine.

jln115:
it's about the role of the vehicle....you can have an APC and an IFV based on the same platform but have different roles.

So you mean if I have a big gun on a vehicle like Proforce MRAP, it is no longer an MRAP?

What about the design?

jln115:
just to clarify, about 90 % of modern day APCs are also MRAPs....... With the exception of a few heavy tracked APCs.

I agree with this in a way, although they are no longer designated as just MRAPs. They have a new name, like that Nigerian Ezugwu vehicle is not really an MRAP.

The vehicle Australia recently bought also can protect against mines, but it is not an MRAP.

jln115:
Then they are IFVs not APCs

I don't understand?

jln115:
Their is still a clear difference between a frigate and a destroyer though.... Except one is becoming obsolete

But a MRAP will always be an APC.

Only small countries buy Frigates alone. Big countries with Oceangoing fleets still build destroyers.

USA, Russia, China, Japan , Britain etc.

TayserMahri:
No. IFVs provide direct fire support, ie. they stick to the battleground, while APCs do not. Im not confusing the two.

What about APCs that are armed with 20mm cannons, they also stick to the battlefield.

APCs with big guns like a heavy machine guns also stick to the battlefield.

I don't quite understand why you think an APC cannot provide support for infantry soldiers.

mekussa:
That's the side view of the EZUGWU MRAP by the Nigerian army. It looks better from the side then the front.

It's a very modern looking vehicle, I think it looks good too.

TayserMahri:
Combine this with the Russian anthem and there's absolutely no battle you're losing.

It is very impressive. That's a proper military.

I don't usually see NATO countries conduct exercises in this scale, and to think more than 100k troops participated in the other Russian exercise last year is mind boggling.

TayserMahri:
More of a MRAP than APC.

Please what is the difference between an MRAP and an APC.

The Nigerian army looks very well equipped, but why are we struggling with this Insurgency?

I know it's not really easy, but soldiers always complain a lot. Why is that?

New Nigerian army APC

Nigerian army APC

Russian army training, they just finished this training last week.

Look at the army.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yTDg6hE5BI

Toju200:
pls post some screen grabs...I gat no data to watch the video...pls

How old are you?

shadowprimezero:
Initial order was about 40 if I remember correctly. More orders definitely in the pipeline.

Thank you.

What do you think about the Ezegwu MRAP. It's design looks similar to the Sisu APC?

It looks like this.

shadowprimezero:
Side view

Please how many Proforce APC did the Nigerian army buy?