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jpphilips:
Obviously you don't have a clue why America went to Afghanistan, how can you say there was no victory??

This is a dumb comment, how did America's nation building objective in Afghanistan turn out?

"Did the US stop Afghanistan from becoming a terrorist haven? Is ISIS-K not present in Afghanistan?".

American policy in Afghanistan was to develop Democratic institutions, did that happen?

Don't try to be smart by half.

persius555:
The Americans pulled out because they realised the Afghan government and the Taliban were not going to reach an agreement for an all-inclusive government.
Afghan citizens were stuck between choosing between a "publicly perceived" corrupt government and a Taliban opposition bent on implementing Sharia law all over Afghanistan.

If Afghanistans truly love their country, they should stay and fight for it instead of relying on a battle wary United States.

The Americans pulled out because there was never going to be victory in Afghanistan.

Even while the Americans were on the ground, 50% of Afghanistan was controlled by the Taliban. So they decided, 20 years of war, trillions spent, no victory why continue? I agree with this.

The Americans also want to concentrate on a more familiar foe, that is China & Russia.

The Afghans should find a political settlement with the current realities.

Whyem15:
I'm starting to realize that the US might have won the war in Afghanistan after all. What if they have reached an agreement with the Talibans in the months long dialogues on protecting US and western interests. I do not think they are that concerned about who rules the people of Afghanistan or the welfare of the people. They've always been there for their own selfish interests all along, only the people have had the illusion that they were there to protect them from the brutal rule of the Talibans.
Look at it this way, the US told Talibans they were going to start leaving by May 1st 2021, what did the Talibans concede to US go during the negotiations?

How are US & Western interests protected if Embassies pack up and leave over night?

You have a weird concept of victory.

RiceProducers:
We need to learn to think in terms of institutional core competences, capabilities, processes, standards and their maturity instead of personalities.

I find that we 3rd World countries are reluctant to grow out öf this mindset that glorifies persons instead of teams and institutions. The result is stagnation especially for a technical arm of our security architecture ühere systems and processes are everything

You can have strong personalities and strong institutions at the same time George S Patton, Omar Bradely, General Montgomery, Chester Nimitz were all larger than life personalities.

Praising S.B Abubakar doesn't take away anything from Amao as the current Chief of Air Staff or the institution of the Air Force.

However it is always better for the growth of an institution to have a charismatic leader at the top.

MAN1960:
Proudly Nigerian, the Nigerian navy seaward defense boat 3 has been completed.
I see our defense industry growing I think the SDB 4 will be much more bigger

That's a sea eagle class boat, built in Singapore, not SDB 3.

This is SDB 3, scheduled for launch this month, but I don't think they would meet up.

I'm looking at a launch date of October.

Whyem15:
DICON got license to produce beryl riffles and there allocation for the assembly line was even added to the budget and we are yet to see meaningful results. Many of our neighbors will be willing to buy the beryl.

Maybe DICON should be turned into a real company with FG as share holder through the defense ministry for the purpose of profit making. Maybe this will increase their productivity.

DICON is not a serious company.

Whyem15:
I believe it's time Nigeria started partnering with other developing countries to grow the defense industry.
South Africa has a lot to offer especially for the Army. DICON, NAMVC and proforce can grow exponentially and start producing IFVs and light tanks within 15 years if the right connections are made with SA defense military and industries. We can even get enough tech support to start an ordnance industry to produce artilleries, mortars and their ammunitions,missiles etc.
The airforce could also benefit from tech know how and start doing some aircraft maintenance that are normally done outside the country. They could also look into radars.

As for the navy, in addition to partnership with SA, we could also look into other countries like Singapore and Turkey.

Truth is that the military will still be dealing with major internal security issues a long time from now especially with the banditry issues in the northwest and growing the local defense industries will be of great value to the country.


It is amazing that as large as the defense budget of Egypt and Algeria is, there defense industry isn't that great we could have benefitted a lot from them too but they prefer to buy almost everything.

I agree with this, for Egypt they produce Abrams Tanks, and build Gowind Corvettes in the country, under license though.

I'm more surprised by Algeria. They should be building a lot of Russian tech in the country by now.

They don't have any significant defence industry there.

Nigerian Navy Locally built Supply Vessel

Whyem15:
Clarissa Ward is chasing the Oscar awards with the way she's acting the script.

She's an Oscar winner already.

Not just her though, even countries like Poland, Norway, France & Switzerland are pushing so much military propaganda.

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed Western countries and their militaries are running a massive propaganda campaign with regards to the evacuation flights we are seeing.

Sizzorkay:
And that is the reason why... You think they are running and hanging on top of a moving plane because they love the Taliban? They are scared and desperate, because blood thirsty murderers are about to take control of their country, that's why they don't want to live under the taliban, it won't bring peace, it will bring oppression, and fighting is the only way out.
A[b] woman was supposedly killed because she couldn't cook well enough[/b], imagine that, and this is just the beginning.
Anyways, all good, good luck to them

Do you really believe that part in bold?

This story was ran by the Daily mail I believe.

Flanker:
Hope french will train and equip them well , or we will see same what happened in afghanistan when french troops withdraw from mali

The Malian army would collapse again when international forces leave.

Talking about the Afghanistan, they had a really effective unit, trained and armed by the CIA, Zero Three unit. Well armed.

Mali soldiers

JF-17 Block 3

MAN1960:
Where is the Nigerian flag, I can't see it

It might be on the other side of the tail.

youghs:
You are only of this opinion because it's not your reality. It's a normal human behaviour.

I don't understand this comment.

What I'm saying is there is room for a political settlement in Afghanistan. They can't go on with the fighting.

America is right to withdraw, military defeat or not.

Afghanistan has been at war for 45 years, the Taliban is not like Isis or Alqeada, they have huge local support, hence the US initiated peace talks.

Even while the Americans were fully on the ground in Afghanistan, the Taliban still controlled 40 - 55% of the country.

It is not for us to determine what should happen in Afghanistan, let local Afghans do that.

If the world's most powerful country could not achieve military victory there, what's the point in fighting?

Nemesis4you:
And the funny thing to note is - if one were to look deeper there are no winners in the 3 decades of war , certainly not the Afghans they lost everything - everything

There have been none, ordinary Afghans are war weary.

I mean, look at the terrifying images of afghans hanging a flying C-17 for dear life.

800 people packed into a C-17.

What's the point.

Sizzorkay:
wow. what kind of peace is that? we are talking about a country full of oppressed people. Nope, fight, what kind of peace is that? at the end of the day the people will become slaves to the taliban, fvk that

We are all entitled to the way we see things, only the Afghans can say definitively what they want.

Clearly Russian communism has not worked.

American Democracy collapsed even before the Americans left.

This is how I see it, that's my opinion.

Nigerian Air Force A-29 Super Tucano

SuperSixSeven:
So you would capitulate to ISWAP to have peace and live under their rule? Are you high on drugs!!!

Yes, if it means peace, yes.

SuperSixSeven:
Would you hand over your weapons to the Taliban?

Russia spent 10 years in Afghanistan - No victory!

America spent 20 years in Afghanistan - No victory!!

If dropping my weapons to the Taliban means peace, why not.

SuperSixSeven:
Would you hand over your weapons to the Taliban?

Yes, if it would bring peace to my country, yes!!!

kemicalreact:
Dunno how true this is

They've been fighting in that country for the last 45 years.

What's the point of continuing?

dragon2:
The M346 is a Trainer aircraft with the dual role of ground attack, it is not a true fighter . Its role is to replace our alpha jets/L39s if acquired. We had MIGS, Alpha jets/L39s, and Jaguars in the 80's for the role of Fighter, LIFT and Ground attack respectively. The JF17 being a light Multirole aircraft is meant to replace the MIGS and JAGUARS. However we need new platforms to replace our ageing LIFT aircrafts. The two aircraft, JF17/M346 are not in the same class in any way.
The JF17 has more engine power, speed, range, maximum service ceiling( about 10,000ft more than the M346), more than 3 times the take-off weight, twice the climb rate and a more diverse weapon suite. There is no comparison. The M346 is LIFT period. The JF17 is meant for a high threat environment while the M346 is meant for low-medium .

Thank you.

I wonder how @Riceproducers is making the types of argument he's making with a straight face.

Turkey Special Forces

Rwandan Ratel

Nigerian service chiefs

youghs:
If I may ask, what do we need these for? The A29s can perform the role of this aircraft.

We need them to replace the Alpha Jet & L-39.

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*GOC 81 DIVISION NIGERIAN ARMY VISITS PROFORCE LIMITED* …………Commends GMD and staff for visible transformation

The General Officer Commanding 81 Division Nigerian Army (NA) Major General Lawrence Fejokwu has expressed satisfaction and commended the level of ongoing transformation and achievement in Proforce Limited under the leadership of the General Managing Director (GMD) Engineer Ade Ogundeyin. The GOC made the commendation while on a working visit within his Area of Responsibility (AOR) in Ogun State.

Major General Fejokwu said he was delighted with the ongoing expansion in the defence factory which is a sign that something greater is in the offing. He was optimistic that with the state of the expansion and transformation in infrastructure, equipment and general facilities at Proforce Limited, the Company would soon be able to provide more than the basic needs of the military. He stated that part of the reason for the visit was to collaborate with Perforce on how the 81 Division could harness the benefit of having the factory within the Division AOR. He informed the Proforce GMD that some of the operational vehicle that were beyond economic repair would be backloaded to the factory for repairs.

The GOC and members of his entourage were briefed with a presentation on proforce Limited and Proforce Intelligence. The visiting team was also conducted round the transformed factories and some production lines where the GOC inspected some products and materials produced by Proforce Limited. He disclosed that with the level of progress of work and the zealousness of the staff of the Company, he would continue to be an advocate of Proforce Limited.

Responding the GMD Proforce Limited Engineer Ade Ogundeyin expressed his delight and appreciation to the GOC for finding time to visit despite his tight schedules. He stated that the NA and proforce has been working partners for some time now and that the NA is part of Proforce. He noted that with the ongoing relationship between the 2 parties, the Boko Haram Terrorist activities would soon come to an end. He disclosed that only Africa can solve Africa’s problems, hence the need for commitment by various stake holders. The GMD used the occasion to thank the NA for her patronage which has brought Proforce to the limelight of the international community.

Highlights of the visit included the presentation on Proforce Limited, guided tour round the factory and interactive session. Others were group photograph and exchange of souvenirs

MAN1960:
Kebi can you please show an example of fast patrol craft
Am learning

A fast attack craft is a small boat that can fire missiles.

See picture.

However classification of ships differ from country to country.

I had initially made a mistake on what CNS meant by a FAC. In Nigeria we classify the Ocea boats we bought from France as a Fast Attack Craft. They don't have missile firing capabilities. They are only armed with at most a 20mm gun.

We classify Nigerian made boats as IPC (Inshore Patrol Craft). That's the one the CNS was referring to that the Navy has purchased 300 units.

RiceProducers:
I am beginning to come round to the view that the NN acquired them as FPBs but decided on the FCS design to permit the operation of rotary wing UAVs.

I read somewhere that 40 UAVs are on order by the Navy. They must be going on OPVs and purpose built FPBs that can take rotor craft UAVs




Does not really matter I think. These are not fast patrol craft but FCSs. The boats are designed for security and carrying civillian personnel and cargo. May be the Navy asked for that particular spec for their ops, I don't know but they are FCSs.

Nothing wrong in us enjoying a debate irrespective of our views.

It seems the Navy would be getting Fast Attack Crafts.