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Ubenedictus: d church didnt ask galileo to seek biblical approval, it seem u haven't been reading d thread. Galileo and his fellow scientist were d guy who decided to leave science aside and go into scriptures. Nobody send them, nobody ask them to leave their telescope, on their own they decided to go and argue scripture!
The church didnt ask galileo to seek biblical approval, instead galileo and his peer decided to use scriptures as scientific proof, thus bring d church into d picture.

And the subject of the scriptural dispute was obviously astronomy, right? And the Church took a position against Galileo's, proving that the ideals of Christianity is against Galileo's ideas and its likes.

The OP gives us a clear view on how much we don't understand Sexuality. I don't think govts and institutions invest much in that area unlike stem cells, cancer etc; rather we left to celibate priests on the subject!

Whatever happens in the animal kingdom sheds light on our nature.

I don't understand these Islamists' problem. Can't they let others live in peace?!

For the very fact that the Church expected Galileo to seek biblical approval with his views is against Science. Imposition of religious authority over Science.

The conclusion is: church stood in the way of science and progress.

@ube

Ur quote:

d trial of galileo was more sciency than dogmatic, galileo and other scientist had an arguement and d oda guys brought d bible as proof, galileo used a quote from augustine and said scriptures shuldn't be taken literally.

It follows that Church interpretation of the Bible at that time was contrary to Galileo's scientific views, and its evident that it was Bible verses that stood in the way of Galileo's progressive views. What punitive measures taken by the Church against Galileo are the Church's decisions and they take responsibility for it.

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Integrity is the keyword here.

An individual in a fiduciary position entrustÉd to a spiritual charity, isn't expected to enrich himself with it.

Oyedepo on the contrary, spends millions of the sums entrusted to him as God's money. It is as bad as a NGO chairman spending the organisation's money on himself.

Oyedepo has no job, no income, yet enjoys a 12million home in a posh neighbourhood. It should be a crime.

Ubenedictus: ur problem is that you lack undastanding! Galileo and his co scientist stopped argueing science and entered scriptures and that simply means they invited d church

Ok, you are saying its a religious argument before the Church, right? Where does proving the Sun's position come in?

"We the peak of bipedal civilization
Zombie style, steppin' through life in single-file formation
Eyes see no foul, defacing the monument you all worship
On a quest to fall before you learn to crawl, immersed in inertia"

Illogic

tobechi74: Darknes is absence of light.. Evil is absence of good

Likewise light is the absence of darkness.

@OP

Evil is a mispurpose, imperfection basically.

How far a role does AND should religion ( all forms: traditional and orthodox) in the realm of the public. And also considering cultural and religious diversity, how is such influence managed.

Is there anything like public sin? Are there transgressions made by others which could condemn the individual?

For example homosexuality as a State protected union.

obadiah777: I HAVE THROWN THE GAUNTLET. MY STANCE IS CLEAR. HOWEVER YOU ARE JUST BEING A GAINSAYING PHARISEE. A SCOFFER. JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY KID IS A BRILLIANT AND INTELLIGENT KID DOES NOT MEAN I SHOULD NOT SEND HIM TO SCHOOL. GERRIT ? JUST CUZ THE LORD KNOWS THE END RESULT DOES NOT MEAN HE WILL NOT STILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET TO THE END RESULT. 'HUMANS' HAVE TO BE REFINED IN THE FURNACE OF AFFLICTION BECAUSE THE HEART OF MAN IS WICKED WHO CAN KNOW IT ? AND THE WICKEDNESS IS SELF INITIATED. THE LORD DOES NOT MAKE YOU SIN. WE HAVE BECOME DEMONIC AND LUSTFUL. THE HEART OF MAN IS WICKED WHO CAN KNOW IT

Stop trying to paint me black by calling me names! The point remains that tests are to gain insight and more knowledge about the subject, if the end results are already in hand, going ahead with the test is futile!

truthislight: the "church" is built on Jesus christ.

The bible (NT) are instructions of Jesus christ to his church.

The NT is the Church's thought on Jesus.

But the Bible has a basis/foundation, it was tendered by a Church to its congregation. Christianity is more than letters in the Bible, there are revelations, there are doctrinal developments, traditions traced back to the earliest times. The Church is actually superior to the Bible.

God's words come through the Church. So to those that keep quoting the Bible without citing the Church's vieew on it, is like building a castle in the sky.

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Loool

To show how badly told your story is, you can't reconcile the role of the church in scientific discussions, you can't explain why bible explanations are caught in scientifc webs?!

Hegel"s dialectics

Marx's theory on superstructures

Kant's categorical imperative

@obadiah

C"mon be clear, let's know where you stand

obadiah777: THERE IS NO POINT TO BE MADE BRAH. JUST BECAUSE GOD KNOWS THE END FROM THE BEGINNING DOES NOT MEAN HE SHOULD JUST BE A SLACKER AND IGNORE THE WHOLE PROCESS AND JUST START AT THE END. THIS IS YOUR CARNAL MIND SPEAKING. YOUR WAYS ARE NOT HIS WAYS NEITHER IS YOUR THINKING HIS THINKING

God doesn't want to look like a slacker?!

obadiah777: JUST BECAUSE

See no point. The problem is: you have already made up what God is like in your mind and then you try to set it into the Bible. Unfortunately there is an obvious contradiction.

The God described in Genesis is not omniscient.

@wiegraf loool

Ubenedictus: becos d scientists stops discussing their scientific proofs and started to argue bible, literal vs symbolic. That is why d church became judge!

So the Church dished out judgement in favour of the prevalent views at that time?

obadiah777: YOU STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TEST

Why?

obadiah777: NO GOD DOES NOT WORK ON RESULTS. HE KNOWS THE END FROM THE BEGINNING

ISAIAH 46 VS 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: I HAVE NOTICED ONE THING ABOUT A LOT OF ATHEISTS ON HERE. OK FIRST OFF THE BIBLE IS WRITTEN FOR CORRECTION AND LEARNING AMONGST OTHER THINGS. AS SUCH EVERYTHING WILL BE LAID OUT. EVEN THE OBVIOUS WILL BE LAID OUT. FOR EXAMPLE. IF GOD HEARS A NOISE AND THEN ASKS 'WHO ART HE THAT IS THERE?' <<< THIS IS DONE SO AS TO MAKE THE SCRIPTURES ENGAGING TO THE READER. THE BOOK WILL NOT MAKE SENSE IF EVERY INCIDENT WENT LIKE THIS >>> GOD HEARS A NOISE, AND THE SCRIPTURES IMMEDIATELY GOES TO HIM TALKING TO THE PERSON HE HAS NOT YET SEEN. ITS JUST TO MAKE THE BOOK ENGAGING. HOWEVER ATHEISTS SEE THIS AND THE NEXT THING OUT OF THERE MOUTH IS 'IF GOD IS OMNISCIENT AND OMNIPRESENT, HOW COME HE DIDNT KNOW WHO IT WAS ? WHY DID HE HAVE TO ASK WHO IT IS ?' <<<THE FOLLY OF THE ATHEIST. THE BIBLE IS WRITTEN ENGAGINGLY. I SUSPECT THIS IS WHERE YOU ERR. YOU ENCOUNTERED ONE OF THIS SCENARIOS AND YOU TAKE IT FOR GOD NOT ACTUALLY KNOWING THE BEGINING FROM THE END. YOU DO ERR KAY 17

Then why test man, if he knows the results already?!

"Fish in the pond can't understand the concept of dry land
So they swim aimlessly unbeknown to the purpose of which I stand"

Illogic

"I thought, therefore I was" illogic

obadiah777: HOW DO YOU INFER THAT FROM WHAT I WROTE ?

You talked about a test. And the results of which God works on.

Principle of centrifugal force?!

But its amazing the level human creativity can reach. I liked the light reference to god

FXKing2012: Yet another ignoramus talking abt Christianity. Jesus never formed or belonged to any denomination, pls stop wt the misinformation.

Exactly! Jesus left only a church not pentecostals, or deeper lifes or Redeems

obadiah777: WITHOUT EVIL THERE CANNOT BE FREEWILL. AND I REPEAT, THIS IS A SELECTION PROCESS BASED ON MERIT ( FAITH AND WORKS ). NEVER MIND THE LANGUAGE USED IN THE BIBLE. THE BIBLE IS WRITTEN IN PARABOLIC WORDS. THATS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE. IF THE BIBLE WAS OBVIOUS THEN EVERY TOM DICK AND HARRY WILL JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON. THE LORD IS NOT LOOKING FOR EVERY TOM DICK AND HARRY. HE IS LOOKING FOR A SELECT FEW. MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN. SEE THE MISTAKE YOU MAKE IS IN THINKING THE LORD WANTS EVERYBODY IN RULERSHIP OF HIS KINGDOM TO BE ESTABLISHED ON EARTH AFTER THIS ONE. HE DOES NOT. HE WANTS A TINY AMOUNT. TO GET THIS TINY AMOUNT, EVERYTHING HE DOES HAS TO BE HIDDEN SO THAT ONLY THE DILIGENT CAN FIND IT. THE WHOLE 'FREEWILL' 'AND SATAN' AND 'ABILITY TO BE TEMPTED' IS ALL PART OF THE WEEDING OUT PROCESS. ITS PART OF THE PLAN

This process implies that God acquires knowledge and therefore not omniscient.

Pope Urban?! That should be a mistake.

How are proofs and supports from the Bible scientific?

Why is the Church a forum/court for scientific decisions?

Goshen360: Why do I need to "become" an Ifa priest when in Christ I am a king and a priest. To top it all, I'm the ORACLE of God....

Christianity is facing a crisis of comedy

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Monotonous and narrow Christian perception.