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trinity: In what way or ways?

stagger: The natural ambition of any man is to dominate. How did the terminology "church rat" come about? Because people associated Christians and the church with mediocrity and poverty. Now along comes someone who has challenged the mentality of the world system, and people hate him for it.

Thank God my eyes were opened long before now. So sorry for you but I am not one of those beaten-down people you see around. If you are wishing I am one of them, sorry for you. You don jam Zuma rock!

justcool: By the same token, the implication of what you wrote here is that the universe have always exsisted in one form or another. It exsisted in a different form before the big bang and hence the big bang is only a stage in the development or unfolding of the universe and not the beginning. If so, why do you guys always try to find the beginning or birth of any component of the universe in the big bang? Who do you guys use the big bang to challenge creationists? In reality the big bang has nothing to do with the origin of the universe or anything in the universe!

Ubenedictus: dis is like saying GEJ vs president of nigeria. Galileo was a catholic, it would sound like a joke wen u claim religion vs science and u are bringing a case where both parties were religious!

comnsense: Come on man, I must say, you are too 'scientific' to the point of hogwash. Deepsight is making more sense here. Don't tell me that there is no evidence that there is anything outside the universe. This is simple logic; we don't need evidence for this. Because if there isn't anything outside the Universe (as we rightly don't know), what then is there - nothing? Fair enough. Was this 'nothing' there before the Big Bang? Obviously. Well, did this 'nothing' negate the existence of Time. This is where definitions of Time get ridiculous.
Let's not get scientific to the point we don't make simple sense. You have been arguing that Time couldn't have existed before the Big Bang - Claptrap. This is like the 'If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?' riddle.
Because the Universe didn't exist then, doesn't mean that that metaphysical entity in which events unfold at some point (Time) didn't exist. Because Light, matter or scientists were not there to observe or measure it doesn't negate its existence. That, I think is Deepsight's idea of Layman's time.
So, no. There obviously was either Something or Nothing before the Big Bang..common sense and logic tells us that. If there was something, what was it? If there was nothing? From whence did all the matter in that singularity spring from? These are the valid points to debate and not the 'no Time before the big bang' hogwash.

TroGunn: It all points to a Maker with much greater intelligence.

Ubenedictus: d thread reads y religious pipo fight science, it almost makes it sound like challenging science is a disservice to science. Sorry i thought u embraced dat view.

TroGunn: I walk in the desert and come across an Ipad2 right there in the middle of the desert. Within the Ipad4 is an OS, dual core processors, 512Mb of memory chips, cameras, etc - obviously an intelligent device. I conclude that the Ipad4 must have somehow evolved from the sand ( in fact sand is contains silicon!).

Because a belief that the Ipad4 was made by someone, that I can't see or prove in an experiment, is "unscientific". If someone made it, where's the person? Why is the Ipad4 in the desert? Who gave birth to the person? I can't say - so I conclude the person doesn't exist. Believing that he exists would be an "argument from ignorance".

And yes, the "anthrofunny" principle - the sand must be there so that the Ipad4 can evolve. I have to invoke it because i can't explain existence of a designer. As someone said "it tends to be invoked by theorists whenever they do not have a good enough theory to explain the observed facts."

In any case, I badmouth the Ipad4 for not supporting flash - evidence of poor design. More proof that it evolved from sand without a designer.

I log on to NL and tell my story and badmouth anyone who dare says the Ipad4 is the product of an intelligent designer.

(Note: the DNA is so complex that none of man's inventions comes close to it in design efficiency - it stores staggering amount of information about each organism, gives code that maintains the organism, reads itself, copies itself faultlessly, without leaving the nucleus of a cell ensures that it's instructions are carried out to the letter. [b] And yet all the DNA information that defines the behavior, hair colour, eye colour, everything about all 7 billion humans alive would not fill a spoon /b] And yet, according to some people, it was not designed by someone, just like that our hypothetical Ipad4).

obadiah777: THE CCHRISTIAN DEFINITION OF LOVE AND THE CARNAL DEFINITION OF LOVE IS DIFFERENT. I THINK THIS IS YOUR STUMBLING BLOCK. I THINK YOU HAVE WATCHED ONE TOO MANY ROMANTIC MOVIES LOVE KO DOVE NI

TroGunn: The observable universe points to the existence of an intelligent being. The odds favor such a position more than believing that an impersonal, amoral, purposeless energy can create intelligence including personal, moral beings seeking understanding of life's meaning and purpose.

The scientifically calculated odds of intelligent life occurring by chance is said to be 1 to 10 to power 138 zeros - that is so many times more than what is accepted to denote practical impossibility.

TroGunn: Is it logical to say : We can't understand or explain God, therefore he doesn't exist?

The evidence in the observable universe does not make believe in God unreasonable.

martinseme: All those who have rejected Jesus christ for the lust of the world shall forever and ever burn in the miserable fire of hell then they would realise that the little pleasures of the flesh is not worth burning in hell forever. Don't be deceived by satan he is a wicked beast which has not the least love for you.

sisnowee: Pls.... my pipo, stop this EVIL Act of lesb. n gay. GOD all knowing GOD, gave u dick n pussy to married and enjoy life, U are now practicing gay n lesb. He will punish all those who indulge in this evil act.

icon aus: western world is in trouble now because of their crazy culture. Africa please dont emblaze western cultures . It is unnatural and damaging . i live in the first world and i experience the havoc the western culture is doing . gay people re confused and is unnatural

sunny4life: We should not alow this trend of homo/lesbianism 2 get out of hand.com 2 think of it,these set of pple easily spread HIV and other STDs because they dont use protection when they engage in d dirty acts of oral se.x.pple dat ar sayin dat they should b left alone shold shut up!Their activities is affecting the society @ large because they can easily spread STDs.I want 2 ask this question:if thier parents were gays,wil they hav been born? Somtimes,it beats my imagination when i see these gay pple fightin 4 their rights......4 cryin out loud,animals in d jungle dont mate wit same se.x.Just yestaday,i stumbled upon a thread caled lesbian crib in nairaland.......i was so shocked and disapointed that seun wil alow such madness on nairaland. They were openly boastin about their "madness" and i was shoked dat they were nigerians........4 cryin out load,this is not our CULTURE and we shold say no 2 it.Na their mama and papa i even pity.If we dont stop this,very soon,another group of pple wil cum up and say dat it is their right 2 sleep wit animals. My sugestion is dat al same sex skools should b banned and al those gay pple shold b sent 2 Rehab.

vesto09: I remember Wole Soyinka saying that what people do in their bedroom is nobody's biz while the West was trying to muscle Nigeria into accepting gay right.
Then, I remember ma grandma saying that: Too much book they make person go mad. Without respect, me think prof. Soyinka has gone mad, perhaps the reptiles
have gotten him. that sh*t of a professor lose all the respect i had for him dat day.
The same western (or sorry, I meant to type reptilian) ideology he is championing makes polygyny (polygamy) illegal but legalise homosexuality. sh*t!
i remember a professor of mine, Prof. Adebayo Ninalowo saying that "absolute freedom leads to chaos".
unfortunately, most world religions have been captured by the reptiles with Islam remaining the last to be captured. Therefore, the reptiles use theories varying
from conspiracy theory to chaos theory or any form of theory to discredit the religion. First they legalise prostitution and institutionalise it, same with cultism,
inter alia[/i]now they want to shove homosexuality down peoples' throat.
Read somebody comment saying Atiku name is missing, sh*t! these ppl are cultists, what do you expect? and they pretend to be people who believe in the good books.
For all i care, all LGBT should go to hell and b*rn into ashes. Including all their supporters who a'int LGBT.
They are mosquitoes, what do you do to mosquitoes?
If you treat a bad issue with kid gloves, what happens?

Corruption, armed robbery, kidnapping, homosexuality, [i]inter alia deserve death penalty BCOZ they are bad choices not diseases.

TroGunn: The dinosaurs could have been created during one of the creative "days".

Obviously the heavens and earth were created in the beginning (Gen 1:1). The earth being without life until the creative days began, leading to its transformation into the life-supporting planet it is.
Day
1 Light; division between day and night - Gen 1:3-5
2 Expanse, a division between waters beneath the expanse and waters above it - Gen 1:6-8
3 Dry land; vegetation - Gen 1:9-13
4 Heavenly luminaries become discernible from earth - Gen 1:14-19
5 Aquatic souls and flying creatures - Gen 1:20-23
6 Land animals; man - Gen 1:24-31

Dinosaurs and other extinct animals would have been created in " days" 5 and 6. Each creative day could be any length of years- thousands or even millions as was required by God to complete each activity.

Here's how someone explained it:

"Quite logically, he begins the first day at Genesis 1:3. The universe and the earth were already in existence. Scientists generally agree that in its early years, the earth was a dark planet. They disagree as to the reason. The bible suggests that the thickness of the water vapor was the cause. As its surface cooled, the vapor would condense and fall, creating a globe-encircling ocean. The pressure of this water would generate tectonic forces, causing land to be pushed up. The bible suggests that these were controlled.

The details of what transpired in each creative day indicate to me that each involved considerable lengths of time. That first chapter of Genesis speaks of trees bearing seeds and foliage spreading all over the land surface, sea creatures reproducing to the point of swarming the seas, birds reproducing until they swarmed the sky and land animals reproducing to fill the earth (Genesis 1:22) clearly indicating to me that each “day” was much longer than 24 hours.
How long was each creative day? I really don’t know. The archeologists put the appearance of life starting within the first billion years. The fossil record shows a virtual explosion of life within the dawn of the Cambrian period, at a rate greater than one new species per year from 8 phyla in the first 6 million years of the Cambrian Era. Are their dates accurate? I really don’t know and it does not matter to me. The wording of Genesis 1 and 2 indicates long periods of time to me. It could be millions or hundreds of millions of years each. They could even be of unequal lengths each".

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eggheaders: isreahell generals refuse a order to prepare to attack Iran cos they know the devastating effect.go figure out why ehud barak resigned this week.even the rag tag Hamas fajr-5 can hit as far as tel-aviv.then Iran will definitely crush the Zionist. hezebollah gave dem some lessons years ago.some Iranian scientists were trained two months back on more efficient anti missile hardware well advance then the iron dome by Russia.can't wait for Iran to complete hilter's dream.

Prof Corruption: Has it shifted? Come back and tell same story when the shift is complete. The pattern we are witnessing today is essentially same pattern of 1980/early 90s when Japan was growing? It takes more than economic success to be a superpower. Of what significant is Palestine to any country? With modern technology making US more energy independent in two decays away, her policy towards the ME ll be determined on what you can offer and not on emotional nonsense people bandied about here? 80 percent of companies in China are essentially western companies exploiting cheap labor there. There is no new innovation coming from China apart from state capitalism deceptively called communism. With Mexico, Brazil etc coming on board, the growth in East Asia ll soon reach a peak.

You don't know the weight of American veto. America can enforce hes veto militarily. America can defile veto and impose her views on so many countries. Which country ll even launch war against America because of Palestinian cause? Palestine is a non issue. Take it or leave it. Emotions for Palestinians is based on one thing: Islam solidarity. Not even logic, history or something more compelling.