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Remember your have knowledge of God from the koran.

^^ because its hearsay!!

What God do you I know??

EG??

Although you answered just one of my questions, but pls stop accusing me of denial. I wasnt born a muslim neither do I see reason and sense in Islam. If islam was the right religion, intellect would have been sufficient to understand it, not faith or mystery. I don't think revelations make any sense other than the ppl its made too. The Prophet Muhammed can't speak for God if there is one, neither can you speak for both of them.

Also different religions have different ideas on a GRand Creator, because all share an english name God, doesn't mean they are the same, they all have different personalities.

Sweetnecta: @Jenwitemi: Invoking fatwa on Seun was not my handwork or did I know anything about it, its planning and reasons. I am here now to awaken your senses, your conscience. Perhaps, they may not be dead yet. We are bringing you Words from your Lord, perchance you may ponder. If you have visited the muslim section and the arguments of no God was ever put in there, we would have pointed out to you that there is absolutely a God. Though you can never see Him while you are a living man, He definitely sees you and you will never be able to hide or be out of His reach, control forever.

And when you die, at the point of death you will see His signs that you will not be allowed to report back to those who are not experiencing death with you. He may never speak with you on the day of assembly which you deny now by saying that you will not be raised up, one of your underpinnings about no God in existence. You will be powerless even more than when your parents got together to work on themselves that resulted to mommy's pregnancy that you came by.

@Moderator: Don't pay attention to Jenwitemi. The thread was not meant solely for him. Even if that was the case, he could easily ignore it instead of begging you for rescue. Thank God Jenwitemi is not God because he may definitely not allow us to make mistake and at the end forgive us simply because we sincerely sort mercy. He may ask us for ransom of unbelievable proportion; death of many holy persons.

Pls how did you manage to know what's beyond when you R here with us??

seguun: May Allah have mercy on you, I have been banned several times in the thread of Avicenna trying to show the atheists verses of the quran that pinpoint how the universe began.
No religion has the logical answers to ANY question like islam. I have never seen any body who really understands islam abandons it.
Even if we go by logic, if we say the day and night comes because the earth is in an orbit around the sun, then what caused the earth to be in an orbit?, then what caused the cause of the cause of the orbit?,then what caused the cause of the cause of the cause of the orbit?, these question will be asked till eternity. It is completely illogical to continue to ask a question that will never have an end. The most logical stand in this matter is to conclude that there is an "UNCAUSED CAUSE" with absolute force and intelligence from which everything emanated from. This is the most logical and peaceful (peace of mind) stand in this matter. Because the capacity of our brain cannot process such data (at least presently) doesn't mean it doesn't exit, it's like trying to run the most sophisticated program on a calculator. The atheists are a joke!
Salam alaikum sir!

If the human brain can't understand what u are talking, what the Bleep are you saying?? Why should the uncaused cause be more complex than its effect??

Whoever lifts that mountain with faith is who I will follow.

I love the skeptical strength of LagosShia and Sweetnecta. I also wonder how he knew the figure was Jesus

@yommy

IF a theist defines his God as a being that exist and that doesn't exist. In your opinion is there any concept?

Its difficult to clear all other options, it could be that the distance btw the pig and her offspring is the cause for stress

musKeeto: The prophecy would have come to pass if not for our unbelief.....

Of course, we are at fault. Stupid prophets, dumb flock

Sweetnecta: There is God says the Bible.

Now, that's not Quran.

But you find the bible errorenous! If Creation is physical and Creator is spiritual, where did the Creation get its substance??

Also why is it necessary for an omnipotent being to design in an arena of nothing??

Disobedience to God's orders. Simple

Martian: Maybe because you don't really understand his quantum physics based definition oif "nothingness". I mean, I find String Theory, M theory and talks about dimensions fascinating but farfetched. At the same time, they actually put some work into the formulations and calculations of these theories that I know i won't fully grasp unless I start studying physics and the likes, so calling their theories a joke without the needed expertise is kind of arrogant. "my opinion"

example, when Leonard Susskind told Stephen Hawking that he was wrong, he provided proof through his work and his answer, to me, was even more farfetched than hawkings but I didn't call it a joke. I saw Hawking's assistant say he spent more than 6 months figuring out susskind's work and HE WAS A PHD candidate in theoretical physics. So if you are to call the "nothingness" thing a joke, your reasons have to be based on quantum physics and not your personal bias on what is possible.

Anyway, Susskind's theory is about information being preserved in the event horizon of a blackhole. Imagine me, with my two classes of Business Law calling you, A LAWYER, a joker about an area of law I'm not even familiar with.



I heard Michio Kaku talk about scientific work in that area e.g thought control computing but this water crystal thing is obviously a joke. You can even try it yourself and quickly debunk it. Make your thoughts write "deepsight" in frozen water crystals then we can talk.

that's why its necessary to define terms. Nothingness could mean something in physics, probably spacetime, maybe just a state of absence of matter.

Nothingness in another sense, absolute emptiness. Even the lack of colours, space, energy, theoretical lines etc. Lack of anything

Deep Sight: Another very interesting video.

Water has Memory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=KKLO3eQ81tc

Caveat: But also contains the work of Masaru Emoro - whose work the jury is still out on. As well as relates experiences some of which are unverifiable. But good to watch nonetheless.

I do feel that all matter and energy hold information. Seeing them as persons, they communicate and inform us on the world.

freshmoney: ^^^
If you don't know. We Christians and Muslims believe that we are serving the same God. Allah and Yahweh are the names of the Almighty God. Difference religions use their desired name to call Him, just as Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa call Him with different names. It is only the medium of worship that is different, nothing changed.

You atheists are set of lost people. Satan has got you and only God can save you

A flat Circle has no corner. A sphere can have a square cross section. And bible described earth as Spheroidal!

About the word 'EDITED'- This could have happened during translation, et al, Remember Bible was translated to English in 1611 by KJV.

If God appears to everyone of you, most of you will still doubt him. But like bible says, His ways can never be known by any Human. He remains the Lord, the Savior!

allah, jehovah, sango, Zeus are not the same, they have different personalities.

freshmoney: ^^^
If you don't know. We Christians and Muslims believe that we are serving the same God. Allah and Yahweh are the names of the Almighty God. Difference religions use their desired name to call Him, just as Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa call Him with different names. It is only the medium of worship that is different, nothing changed.

You atheists are set of lost people. Satan has got you and only God can save you

A flat Circle has no corner. A sphere can have a square cross section. And bible described earth as Spheroidal!

About the word 'EDITED'- This could have happened during translation, et al, Remember Bible was translated to English in 1611 by KJV.

If God appears to everyone of you, most of you will still doubt him. But like bible says, His ways can never be known by any Human. He remains the Lord, the Savior!

Satan and your GOd are the same person. The person/God is suffering from schizophrenia

^^
If there was a supernatural Cause, then the effect (Universe) will be supernatural/orderless/irrational! Since its not, then supernatural Cause is struck out.

Claiming God is incomprehensible is self defeating logic. Why claim what you don't know??

@OP
How does you know a human has a brain without peeping?!

There has to be a ground for which everything stands and makes sense, without a root for logic to stand, one cannot commence with God created this or that! The Universe is the container and the basis for everything.

joe4christ: [size=13pt] Bunch of confused beings (Athiest) who thought they knew better.
I just pity your lives cos it would've been wiser to believe in a God and lying in your grave to discover there was none 'having nothing to loose' than to foolishly conclude there was none only to find out while lying in your grave that there was actually a God whom you would actually be judged by, that would make you the most pathetic being that ever lived.[/size]

Simply begging the question!!

*hiss*

femary2: Blackteeth.Thanks. You have successfully destroyed atheism.They all concur now that there is a designer/creator somewhere.the problem they have is the biblical description of creation account and genetics.Atheism is foolishness.There is a designer somewhere that controls and direct things.Just as its evident that there are spirits,the father of ALL spirits is GOD,the ALMIGHTY.Period.

The intelligent design argument will always end up with a ridiculous conclusion! Ifeverything requires a cause and multiple part complexities are a result of an intelligent designer, he in turn will be greater than his work, inevitably more complex and require another more complex ID who foresaw the effect of his work and that will require another ID an infinite regress occurs and that not logical!!

obayaya: Science can't possibly explain this intelligence... I read of a reseach conducted years back.. Searching 4 an extraterrestial intelligence... As scientists themselves believed that there were many things beyond their understanding.. So there's gotta be an super intelligent being somewhere that understands... That was d reason 4 d research... The result was a very interesting one...

Seriously??! Or you made it! What field of science was this research?? Who are these anonynmous scientists??

yommy2sure: i know its an established fact that the human brain is higher than that of a fish and so there are things that a fish cant comprehend but you can. So what made you believe ur own brain can understand evrything and is only limited with time to understand the universe..? Quamtum physics? Isnt there something called 'uncertainty principle' in it. Find out God for yourself jare... It sounds better if you say you dont know if God exist than saying 'he doesnt exist just becos you cant proove him/her/it with ur /limited brain/.

the conclusion is you can't comprehend your God? Why do you say he exists when you lack every bit of understanding him??

kinesis: Thank God u mentioned d bible says ts 6000years cz I cnt find it anywhere in d bible. All I knw d bible says is a day to u may b a million years or 1000 to God and vice versa. Being stated is it nt clear enuf dat even atheist who are a little objective in their tinkin conclude dt d bible is precise and correct in time and ageing of the universe? I find ur answer to my statement flawed wt subjectivism. what else has evolved after man? Nuffin. dt shows d bible is right in its arrangement of evolution dt science tinks christians don't want. Man is d last of Gods creation.Christians were blinded by subjective tinkin. But dt ws back in d day. If we were to pick out d bible nd argue den we wud nt need to argue at all.

BUT later you will change posts and say he is not bound by the physical entity TIME!

Blackteeth: There is no proof of a gendered God for now and thats it.
Now Why has the universe stop manufacturing things like you think it did on its own? Why are we not seeing the universe produce new creatures till the current day? Dont you think the universe is under a power that halted further manufacturing?

Concerning the purpose of creation, Like I said earlier, humans think the have answers to everything but they dont.

wouldn't that apply to your "Creator"??

And matter still changes form everyday!

Blackteeth: Ok. Now tell me why nature isnt crafting out new humans like it did before. Last time I checked, all humans are coming out from the womb. Tell why we are not witnessing any current nature crafting taking place.
Lol. Am enjoying this mehn.

But humans do reproduce, Life still adapts to its environment.

If the purpose is objectively discernible from its design, like a watch, a mere glance betrays its purpose. But the purpose of life

Blackteeth: Now I can see the problem you have. And that is exactly what has blocked your mind to recognize the existence of a supernatural being.

say to describe God, BUT AM SURE THERE IS A CREATOR.

BUT if God is supernatural, then the Universe will likewise be, since it would be a part of God. As a result we would have an irrational world, since we don't have that, then there was no supernatural creator.

As long as a God is conceived to be at the apex, there would be no equality

Complexity directed towards a specifi purpose could be owed to an intelligent designer