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bxcode:
First of all, religion was created by man to siut him according to cultural, environmental and other values. That's why we have various religion today and I must categorically state that am not condemning any of them. But Christianity is not a religion rather a way of life if you go back to its origin in Antioch were the disciples were first called Christians because they were living like Christ while he was on earth and also it's the only belief that worships a living God, other religion can point to the end of the existence of their author respectively. Religion as a matter of fact has done more harm than good because men have twisted it to their selfish and lustful desires. Religion will only permit what will service it, it was religious doctrine that painted God the way he is seen by many today in the Christian world, I can't really say much for other religion. The truth is that God has been terribly misrepresented and he can't just move his thumb and heal everyone on earth, it will man interfering with the affairs of men. The reason why people are not healed are numerous, we live in a fallen world bro, the devil is moving around inflicting people with sickness and diseases not God, God has already made provision for everyone that will ever fall sick but is it everyone that will be healed? No. Because not everyone knows how to receive that gift of healing and also the choices that we make daily plays a part, it is the truth you know that will set you free. I gat so much to say on this that I may end up confusing you and sounding weird, but I know that God is a merciful and a faithful God.

This argument is going in a merry-go-round.

The muslims never said islam was a religion, they also call it a way of life, to each his own.

What provision has God made for the sick people?

Let me tell one of the so many helpless cases I see everyday. Last week, I saw a case of a neonate (new born child) with hydrocephaly (extreme big head), jaundice(yellowish-green body), severe dehydration(wrinkled skin)...and bed sores.

When this child cries u would practically feel the excruciating pain he is passing through. When we go for ward rounds, I am move to tears as regards the lad situation compounded with the parent not financially dispose to pay for treatment.

I an agnostic was the one who initiated financial contribution for this kid to assist with treatment, in my team are Christians/prayer warrior fellows...I wonder why they didn't initiate a prayer section for miraculous healing for this lad.

If I a man/flesh/agnostic could be moved to tears to solicit support ,how much more a god(omnipotent) that u claim is merciful.

What protocols does he want before he can help
? For crying out loud, they didn't ask me for help and neither did I reveal myself to them for gratitude
(This is just one of the so many cases)

bxcode:
A time will surely come when we all are gonna stand up for what we believe in and until then, I believe and will ever believe in God, who created the heaven and earth, the only living God. Remain blessed sir

I understand ur position,I once shared that faith and talked that way too bxcode

I believe u are a Christian, and I appreciate ur conviction. But What would u say about islamist fundamentalist and their killing spree all in the name of following their believe, what would u say about worshipers of men(satgurumaraji) or what would u say about worshipers of self(budhism)?

My objection is about prayers being answered by a God, if truely there's is anything of such, I am yet to see. I mean! The hospitals are there.

bxcode:
That's not who God is, it's religion that has succeeded in painting God like that. It's a pity and I don't for once blame anyone who dosent believe in God after hearing all these stuffs about rules and regulation one has to keep or else God strikes you, atheists are bolder than Christians in this aspect because they make more sense than most Christians who dosent even know the true nature of God. If ihadn't known this truth about God, you tell me that i need to worship someone who will strike me anytime i don't live up to his standard, i wouldn't want to do anything with that thing no matter what i will gain from him. But that's not who God is truly, he is not an angry God or a wicked or mean God as 99.99% of most religious doctrines teaches today. How I wish I can have a platform to let share with people on the true nature of God. God is a good God.
Op, there could be thousand and one thing that could be preventing your already answered prayers from manifesting from the spiritual realm to the physical realm. I don't know where to start from but you we can talk if you feel like cost all on me.... just let me know if your mind is free to that effect.

Nigga, what other platform do u want again, is this not a platform?

What so complex about a prayer being answered, I mean!! If an ominipotent God has answered a prayer, what other protocols are needed again, why should there be a 1001 thing from preventing an answered prayer?

Let me tell u one secret, in medical school, prayers are not included among the option of modalities of treatment. Its so funny that this religious people havnt performed any miracle(proof for answer prayer) on hospital beds.

My brother do what u have to do, for if there's a God, the universe is so big that ourequest is probably irrelevant.

italo:
Then tell us what happened to Pontius Pilate and the Pharisees.

You mean you've never seen calamity befall an Atheist/Agnostic/tyrant/corrupt politician?

That is a lie.

Just as it befalls pastors,bishops, Christians...

Why not u tell us, u allegedly claim a poster shouldn't expect a response of a god, when in actual fact the bible claims he has been responding.

How come we haven't witnessed any miraculous response in our dispensation as narrated in the bible

[quote author=italo post=38065610]Then tell us what happened to Pontius Pilate and the Pharisees.

You mean you've never seen calamity befall an Atheist/Agnostic/tyrant/corrupt politician?

That is a lie.


Just as it befalls pastors,bishops, Christians...

Why not u tell us, u allegedly claim a poster shouldn't expect a response of a god, when in actual fact the bible claims he has been responding.

How come we haven't witnessed any miraculous response in our dispensation as narrated in the bible

italo:
You're confused.

And you're logically deficient.

Getting no response from one you're insulting doesn't make him not exist.

It makes you look stupid.

A man was struck dead because he prevented the ark of God from falling

We know what happened to those that conspired against moses

Likewise are we familiar with the fate of ananias and sapphira

Let's not forget in a rush to what happened to lots wife

...And I could go on, these are biblical account of those that insulted/dare/doubt the power of God.

I am yet to see any befall on an atheist/agnostic or worse a tyrant/corrupt politician.

Who is logical here?

DoubleDeeX:
What do you expect? A child conceived in sin must be affected by it as he/she come of age. The original sin is in our DNA that's why we need saving in the first place.

Psalm 51:5-6

Indeed, I was guilty when I was born; I was sinful when my mother conceived me. Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

^^^

Man was created with godly nature but we acquired our sinful part through disobedience (Original sin - Which was obviously adultery between Mother Eve and the serpent, producing Cain - meaning "acquired" ) ; which is why both sin and godliness runs in our DNA! That was why the blood of a righteous man (Jesus Christ) became neccessary to cleanse us that we may become adopted children of God.

God would have easily wiped out humanity and start over but doing so would have appeared as if God's purpose for humanity was ruined by Satan, which would have further justified Satan's rebellion against Him (God)!

So, you see? the mystery of iniquity is actually adultery; it completely altered our godliness, because the descendants of Cain ended up mixing up with the rest of humanity (Seth's descendants - which were godly children), read Genesis 6)

This was what Mother Eve actually did ;

Proverbs 30:20

Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.

^^^

She ate with the mouth down there and wiped it clean...then went home and taught her husband (Adam); and when they were done doing it, they covered IT with the leaves of a fig tree that's the mystery of the whole thing!

The serpent was originally a creature that was closely related to man in physical looks and DNA make up until it was cursed.

A neighbor was owing his landlord house rent, this my very neighbor lost his wife last year due to childbirth, leaving him to cater for his son alone.

Unfortunately, my neighbor died early this year of car accident. Guess what the landlord did, he held the one year old son and wount let go because his dad owed him some rent.

I leave u to judge the landlord.
..which begs the question, y should I b born with sin? Who did I offend as a neonate

The human DNA is a double helix structure that are intertwined and jointed by hydrogen bonds, with each strands made of repeating nucleotides, which are in turn made of deoxyribose sugar, phospate and nitrogenous bases...I didn't see where sin is part of the DNA anatomy

U would probably argue that am myopic with my DNA explanation, but hay! U mentioned DNA

Gombs:
We'd find out soon enough! .. Don't be in a hurry

My brother, the reason u can't further argue about the sun or gravity is because we know it is a certainty and their Level of occurrence are equanimous but that's not the case of afterlife.

If there is afterlife, of what usefulness is it?
I still don't get, we were made to believe we were in heaven, we came to earth for a test only to end up either in heaven or hell?
Can't believe I believed these things before.

CaptainJune:
Indoctrination or absorption of family values and belief system is a passive form of education a child receives until the child is old enough to choose his or her path, good or bad, right or wrong. That is the way life works and you will agree with me if you are realistic about your opinions. Moreover, The Apostle Paul whom you cited was, very possibly as was the culture, taught the Jewish religion by his parents in his formative years which may have contributed to his zeal as a Pharisee in his adult age and which eventually led to his persecuting the church until he had an encounter with Christ.




The child comes from God but it is hampered by physical limitations such as its undeveloped infant brain, zero level of understanding and awareness, inability to form articulate speech, etc. Seeing all these limitations, how would you expect the child to tell you who God is and how He should be worshiped when, probably four or five years later, the only thing it knows and can recall is what it has been exposed to on earth? In other words, the child begins with only a clean slate. How do you expect any writing from a clean slate? Is that realistic?

After a tabular-razer of a child has been encrypted and stained with indoctrination of religions, u now say he can now choose! Lol

Let's make an analogy here. If a child has been feed all his life with four type of meals, let's say rice, debris, cow dung and spaghetti, he is then allowed to choose with faith what he thinks is the best meal someone could ever have, it is understandable he 'll pick one out of those four meals given to him...that is indoctrination. U know better that some of the item on menu aint food at all.

Are u really joking, a child coming from God is hampered by physical limitation!!!
What about the talking donkey?
What about elija/elisha outrunning a horse?
What about the floating of an ax?

Gombs:
That's why it's called AFTER life... Are you so sure of seeing tomorrow's sunlight?


Not to worry, you'd soon know soon enough, whether there is one or not.

I may die today, tomorrow or when ever, but that doesn't change the certainty of occurrence of sunrise and sunset. This circle has been since time and no sane person argues/doubt about tomorrows sun.

Nigga, u have no inormation and neither can u remember where u were before earth experience, do u know y? Because there was no existence of before-life and likewise no afterlife.

CaptainJune:
Very wrong! Babies are neither theists nor atheists nor in between. Babies do not possess any consciousness of self because all they do is born out of reflex at that stage let alone possess any "knowledge" of facts or beliefs gained by learning or observation to which they apply the power of their minds to either accept or reject.

They are not even on any neutral ground because if one is said to be on a neutral ground, it is believed such a person is fully or partially aware of the facts but refuses to take sides in which case he takes a neutral stand on the issue.

Just to set the record straight!

And from a clean slate(tabular razor) comes indoctrination. Is it not better for a new born baby as he grows choose without external influence/without aforementioned believe system what system or god he/she should worship...after all, apostle paul had a personal encounter.

Is it not better for such child giving us detail account of what God his and how he should be worshiped, for crying out loud this child is coming from God as the holy books would put it, thus no need for introduction to a god

It puzzles me a lot.

The Christian race is in constant warfare with devil and his co-angels(since it his him that brings about temptation)

But, the job account clearly depict a rapport, I mean a friendly rapport between a God and an alleged enemy of God(satan) that his book(bible) tells us to avoid/cast/flee-from/bind.

I mean! U need to read the tone used in that conversation...it was so cordial

Who is deceiving who?

The account of Esau and Jacob indicates that the biblical God foresees and for-knows

Judas was identified as the 'son of perdition' (sometimes, I wonder why judas is relegated among the disciples, for crying out loud, he masterminded the soul purpose of christ mission on heart), jesus gave us an idea telling how he saved his desciples except for judas that has been destined

If before birth, a God knows before hand where man will end, then, what's the purpose of prayer, forgiveness, faith, preaching, salvation...?
Why would a film maker watch the film he produced if not for boredom and entertainment?

Gombs:
I'm certain about it... For man is a spirit, and spirits live forever... Depending on how you lived here, everlasting shame or shine as the brightness of the firmament is your choice.

If the promise of afterlife is a certainty, why would we be arguing ?. No one argues about the rising of the sun tomorrow, and nobody argues about the effect of gravity...these are certainty and there level of occurrence are equanimous. Afterlife doesn't fall in this category!

When we eat, courtesy demands we invite people to come joins us. Not all invite to come to the dinning table are intended.

You know ur boyfriend well, since he felt cold inviting u, then its understandable to think it wasn't intended, just courtesy.

You have no business to go because his would be wife said so, I believe she insisted in just making a point on who won.

Gombs:
Here are some benefits.

Psalms 23
1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

Tell me you don't engage in any productive works that gives u remuneration for survival. The 'I shall not want' should literally mean miraculous supply of needs(wants) as this biblical examples:
-manna from heaven given to the isrealites
-a bird supplying elija/elisha with bread and honey
Those are examples of I shall not want.

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.


Agnostic, atheist, muslims, hindusit
have peace of mind. The 'still water phenomenon' is not peculiar or restricted to Christians.


3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.


righteousness would mean?
Sometimes I wonder the advice oyedepo and adeboye gives jonathan with their endless meetings.


4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.


The evil you talk about was created by Him

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.


Why should a God prepare a table in the presence of ur enemy? Mind u, they are alsO his children, he created them too.


6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

This is not peculiar to christains too.



my point is, gOod and bad befalls on everyone irrespective of faith and belief. The promise of afterlife is still speculative, no one is certain about it.

menesheh:
Which benefits/gain are talking about again, the arguments for the existence of a god is so huge. Look around you will see the wonders of creation and also a fool says that there is no god. Hope you are satisfy with the explanations.

Does the wonders of creation also includes sickle cell victims, cancer, teratomas, monster children, cLeft lip/palate, inborn errors of metabolisms, earthquake, volcanic eruption, wind turmoils, drought, famine...?

Am an Agnostic, a term am not really proud of. But am left with no choice because, as regards the authentencity and absolute certainty about the existence of a creator/personal God, i am not sure.

Too all that believe in God that he sure exist and He directs the affairs of men, I will so appreciate if u can tell me a Benefit/gains in believing in God.

This can be a turnaround for some of us on the fence

In what way is God/god merciful?

An accident scene shows a car totally smashed flat to the ground with total bashing and splashing of body parts. As if that is not gory enough, this scene was made in a public place where kids passing by could see and have sleepless nightmare for.

On the other hand we have another car that was slightly smashed, making people to conclude that the spare of life was an act of God.

if the lives of those smashed where up, (as most religious people would claim) aint there any better format or way for such life to be taken, rather than these?

Does the so call merciful God not consider the consequences of such act(smashing) that might have on related families, neighbours, workmate and friends of the departed souls.

If there is a God/god that shows mercy through this act, then He/he is not worthy of worship. (That family smashed is someone's family for crying out loud)

Here is a broke student and here is a worker that honors his God but displeases those that once helped him.

The bible made it clear what is pertinent at some point...how the law/sabbath is meant for man and not vice versa..the following are examples;

David in the Bible entered the temples holiest of holy to eat out of the sacrament because him and his men were fagged-out and dying. Simple as it sound, david act is a paradigm of what represent abomination of the highest order

Jesus men entered a farm on sabbath day to pluck ears of corn (for they were hungry) which was unlawful...for no one is to harvest on sabbath day.

U should have taken your money and return the 1k back to him. Trust me, God(if he exist) will understand, he doesn't spend raw cash anyway.

To save ur guilt, return back the money into the offering box when u have the 5k(should incase uve spent it). U don't need to tell ur church pastor or ur friend what u did.

If I study so well for an example, it is most likely expected I would make a pass; if I smoke without season, it is most likely I will get diseases related to nicotine abuse; if I cultivate corn, it is certain 3months after I will harvest corn cobs...if that is karma then I agree.

but if the notion of karma includes me receiving reward for what I did in past as regards interaction with humans or handling of goods/properties (this excludes a friend assisting because I once assisted or a family/nonfamily member being grateful in kind/material for being good to them in the past) most especially, and that this reward must come from person not related/connected to the person I caused effect to/on...then I do not agree.

It is very simple, if we all know that karma(as explained in second paragraph) exist with absolute certainty, don't we all think earth would have been a paradise.

Actions/events/incidents befalls all human irrespective of personality, religious belief, faith, past deeds.

CaptainJune:
BRIGHTRIVERS and Youngpol,
have you read the stories of the following former atheists who died and why they gave their lives to Christ?


Thomas Welch. He fell from a great height and died instantly.

Howard Storm. Had a fatal disease and died after a nurse told him that a surgeon could not be found that day to treat him even though she expressed hope that one would be found the next day.

Ian McCormack. He went swimming with some friends in Mauritius, was stung by a box-jellyfish and died later.

Dr Eben Alexander. A neurosurgeon and atheist. Went into three weeks of coma when he succumbed to meningitis. All that time in coma, his brain was dead, yet he had consciousness.

These are just a few but are eye openers to let you know that atheists bask in ignorance, that is, until they come face to face with reality, especially through death, and all their argument against God's existence crumble into pieces.

Of course, there are former atheists who didn't need death to convince them of the truth in the Bible, but who can win an argument against death?

I have seen devotees/believers/faithfuls on sick bed alongside their loved ones
(while hospitalized) pray without season for the intervention of God...its so sad how these stories end.

I have seen servant/anointed men of God die in manner that are too incomprehensible to be told

I have also seen/heard how faithfuls while worshiping their God in worship houses were attacked and butchered.

If the way and manner of cessation of life of the above atheists wass what authenticated ur conviction, then it seems uve got so many wrong ideas about yourself and God(if He exist).

chocolateme:
No you did not make a wrong choice.
At first, u shouldn't have hesitated paying your t fare before paying. Believe that there is always a way for God to cater for his people.
One thing I know is that you wouldn't have given the stranger that money if u hadn't paid the t fare because you were thinking of breakfast.
But all things been good, u did well.

Who says a God still caters for people? Maybe he was once(if He exist) but not anymore. The chibok saga should kick this argument out of court.

A service was rendered to you and it is justifiable to pay for such services. Nevertheless, if am in a position of 'last cash at hand', I would rather talk nicely to the driver/conductor/co-passenger to assist with transport, don't forget they are reasonable people too.

for those in need as the OP and seeking the face of a God/god through prayers should by now know those efforts are futile/waste. Why would a God/god have u taste pregnancy only for it to end in miscarriage.

One of the post suggest u and ur hobby should sumbit urslef for reproductive checkup and counseling. Once a proper diagnosis has bin made, the rest becomes history.

...Adoption should not be frown upon too my dear.

Take care

An2elect2:
Lol, you dont know God then. You must be one of those jolly jolly Christians. You need to know the God that you are serving o!

Take this,

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make
peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these
things.

Look at the f close to my monicker

I know there are Deities/God/god that people worship, I av being introduced to the one Christians worship and was also told that the muslims worship somewhat similar.

By virtue of internet/mass media/internet/academic pursuit, I also got to know that the Hindus, Taoist, shintoist, confucanist...have different concept to this/these God/gods/god thing.

Well, I am aware of this concept of God/god but I do not know for sure which is the real deal.

The 'know for sure' as used up there refers how sure we are that stone doesn't float on water.

You can enlighten me more An2elect how you know

My brother what happened to u happens to all guys.

The long hours erection portrayed in porn films are due to aphrodisiac/sex enhancement drugs being used.

Y not engage in some oral, finger stimulation (fore play) before actual entry. U will be amaze as to what adequate fore-play followed by actual entry could do in making her feel satisfied.

If need be, u could go for herbal medication(okpa eyin/jedi- by yorubas)

Every guy experiences what u experienced, we just lie to protect our dignity.

With my understanding of spirituality (with regard or regardless of the existence of a personal God), I am tempted to think maybe there might be a frail truth as to the potency of charms protection against gunfire.

The working modalities of phones, flying-planes... are explanable, but looking at it at the periphery/ignorant mind, it is likely to think this devices are not possible to create/function. Is it not probable to think the medicine man talisman/charms also operate this way?

Maybe we are yet to understand/comprehend that field of study(occultic science)

I was of the opinion that none of this charm protective effects are plausible

But when credit is given to it(charm) by a man who engages in constant warfare with heavy artillery(like I said, he is on a protective detail of a top military personal) someone might begin to have a rethink of aforementioned notion/principle/school of thought/believe system. Except if his statements are untrue wish I doubt.

I can't remember the arm forces enlisting native doctors to fight their warfare, and neither do americans consider africans/natives/tribal race that have more of these charms has threats to world peace...likewise have I not heard of arm forces of any country making others for charms as part of their warfare purchase

I was opportune to interact with an airforce personnel, he was part of the security detail/escort of a top military officer, I mean! U need to see the arsenal in use to escort this fellow.

I quickly seized the opportunity to get close to him and to ascertain the effectiveness/authenticity of charms as protection against gunfire/gunshot.
He smiled and said 'my friend it is God that protects'

Considering my agnostic stand about the subject matter(God),I was very precise as to if truly, medicine-man talisman/amulets/ are effective for protection, and he gave and affirmative YES/it does.

Afterwards, I got taking aback.
Lots of logical quest begin to creep into my mind, how possible is this?
Does anyone have a logical explanation about this?

Many av told how their prayers have been answered, but in a rush not to give us details(telling us how there's no time this, there's no time that)...we have a fellow in bitter cry as to the certainty of answered prayers and miracles and all what believers of prayers and miracle could give is for the OP to exercise faith and hope.

Its the saddest truth, bad as it is, even if i feel so disappointed and empty myslef that we are on our own.

There might be a creator/God/force that cares, but the situation of things...chaos, suffering, unfairness, inhumanity to man ...might create a doubting/contrary/objective mind to a non-bias mind.

My advice is to limit self pity as much as possible, do what is pragmatic/needful/essential before death comes.

The OP seems educated and informed from his analogue and report of his experience.
Kids under that age are sex-organ inclined, it is possible to assume its just a random act (even if it was repeated trice), and should be ignored.
However, the possibility of the said minor to have been abused should not be ruled out.
OP, even if your thoughts and intention are honorable, I will advice u to ignore this and let the sleeping dog lie.
Parents should be able to observe a girl child closely, a girl of that age is probably bin bathed everyday, a concerned mother should be able to observe a difference.

Last I check, romance/love/marriage is not meant for pretty face(conventional understanding) alone.
Its most likely this would-be couple are fun-fair people that talk a great deal about super-heros and cartoon characters. As for me I adore cartoon characters like Flash, Batman, and Superman, while a girlfriend of mine thinks Hulk(the green guy) is cool.
Its so amazing when grown individual can find fun and entertainment in what some might consider as child's play. Adult hood is so boring and full of vanity, everyone is competing to show how matured and intelligent they are.
To the superman guy, I feel u bro. I envy the innocent intimacy, connection and child like play u and ur mrs would have.
SAY YES TO THE MAN THAT CAN MAKE A FOOL OF HIMSELF FOR U