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mapet: I have been on 2 weeks vacation. I have gone round pretty much of Lagos, safe for places like Epe and Badagry. I will do a piece on some of the things I've seen.

In reaction to the OP, it is either you're less informed, Lazy or laying ascertions which are not true.

1. Very poorly planned Urban Center - this is the flaw of many years and it simply should some reasoning deficit to lay it at Fashola's doorsteps. Poor Urban center planning had always been our a national malaise. Even El-Rufai's stint in sanitizing Abuja is Urban Center planning is still receiving flaks from people that are ignorant and simply unwilling to embrase change. When Fashola's government pulls down places that are not in conformance with the urban centre planning,(Shanties, Market, Buidings on drainages etc) is it not the same you lots that cry that he's against the poor? or the bruhaha our Igbo folks threw up here when he almost shot down Ladipo for good comes to mind. My submission is simply that the refocussing Lagos Urban Center planning will take a longer time, come with its price and we should be ready to pay. But if you are well informed you will know that Fashola's government had just concluded a 10year Urban Center planning for Lagos, a project led by Ben Akabueze. This is even a platform for the next government to build on.

2. Lack of cheap mortage or low-cost housing. - You almost lost me here, as your arguement are at best not coherent. Are you advocating for slums or cheap mortgage? First off is that except we want to be economical with the truth, Jakande's scheme, even if replicated today, at an extrapolation of inflation rates and others, will still not come as cheap as many of you think. Secondly a mortgage scheme of any sort will only be assessible to gainfully employed people whose data is somewhat captured by the state and registered tax-payers. Thirdly, the mortgage can only be accessed by those in the income bracket that can afford it. When you put all these together, then you need to rethink your assumption of cheap mortgage or low-cost housing. Educate me? what in your opinion should be defined as cheap and low cost? Lagos state government have put in place a scheme. I dont think you know the details at all?

For me I'd rather government continue to partner with the private investors that can actually run the mortgage scheme and let's not fool ourselves. That man on the street is probably better off buy a modest land in Mowe, Ibafo, Ikorodu, Igbogbo etc, putting a small apartment that will not cost more than 2.5m cummulative and he'll build it over 3years, than getting locked in a mortgage scheme, that his irregular income cannot sustain, and will lock him in for a longer period.

3. Roads still poor. - This is another fallacy and we need to put things in proper perspective. Roads are massively being built and rebuilt. A lot more thoughts are going into roads and an outsider like me can see. We definitely cannot land all the road projects in a day. We have a heavy vehicular (especially heavy trucks) presence in Lagos more than any other states. It is imperative to take all the major and feeder roads out of the equation and that is what i see being done. I was in Surulere - Adeniran Ogunsaya, Bode Thomas, Aguda Axis, Eric Moore, I went to Ikorodu - Mile12 to Ikorodu round about, Ibeshe, Ipakodo and inner roads; I was in Ikeja - GRA roads and drainages, Mile 12 - Ajelogo axis, Inner Mile 12 road with a bridge. I was in Iddo - Yaba to Iddo, lots more many of these areas either have new roads or roads heavily under construction. I don't need him to do all the roads in Lagos in his time. I need him to consistently fix the ones we have and open up new ones.

4. State schools still in bad shape. - It depends on what you mean "in bad shape". I have my opinions too but the hydra-headed monster in the education sector is not this simple. What did I notice in the schools I visited? Mostly hade at least a block or two recently added by Lagos state government. I think this is not enough, but it's something.....I think we need an education summit to relook the Education sector in Lagos. What I saw during my vacation tells me we need to do a whole lot more about the teaching of the average Lagos Student.

5. Under-performing waste management - Don't just go there...... tell me which state or federal government that has the Waste Management has robust and organized as Lagos State? this even deserves no need for me to waste time with you on.......keep sweeping ignorance under the carpet if you like

stop comparing Lagos to other states cos that will make it even more pathetic.
Lagos was a fg capital, it is small in size and boasts of a high igr from fg investments, foreigners and non indigenes in the state.
Comparing it to kebbi is irrational.
The worst is that propaganda against other states and ppl go on in that same state

rozayx5: what is the monthly IGR of Lagos and where does it go?

exactly, they keep on shouting Igr this and that, and at the end of the day, u won't see the results.
Small Lagos that has many parts covered with water can't even boast of all round good roads, water supply, sanitation; the good schools there are private, the yorubas keep enrolling into underpaid political touts, Yoruba beggars everywhere
Where is the evidence of the high igr?
Tinubu keeps using the igr to open his own hotels and resorts.
Fashola uses them to buy bullet proof vehicles and host every 100 days in office.
The rest goes on media propaganda.

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Delafruita: which people?the house of rep that recommended her sack?

Let them sack her without any proof, make we see.
Was there a time yorubas didn't want her to go?
Right from when she started knocking off the rot planted in the ministry by the yorubas many yrs ago.
The most fierce is eradication of that evil agency called bicourtney.
We shall get there.

basilo101: E be lyk say na only shoprite dey d mall at ibadan judging frm d way yoruba ppl equate polo park 2 shoprite. Polo park is bustling so if shoprite is nt patronised let dem get d hell out n hv dia space taken. I'v bn 2 polo park sevaral tyms witout evn kuming close 2 d shoprite end

Am beginning to suspect that shop rite is the only thing in their own mall.
I kept using mall initially but I noticed they were saying just shop rite.
Not only that, shop rite is the only large shop brand in their places.
The more they get excited at these tnz, the more I realize how new they are to sophistication.
At another thread, d same geez said there was no KFC at Enugu and in this thread, he said Enugu shop rite is dry this Xmas.
And u want me to bliv that guy has left Ibadan slum since birth.
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Its only ppl that don't have KFC equivalents in their states that make mouths with them.
Nnewi is already making their own cars and some states are just taking pride in hosting shoprite/KFC.

geeez: Everybody knows Linda Ikeji is an ethic bigot

She promotes only her fellow Igbos and rubbishes anything Yoruba

Everybody that says the truth is an ethnic bigot.
What does she do to promote igbos exactly?
And what does she do to rubbish Yoruba?

[quote author=Mayor_of_Lagos]You invested in Lagos 10yrs ago? Well the capital has been moved longer than 10yrs, were you blind, dont know the road from Nnewi to Abuja? Stop using that map left to you by biafra, North is the other way.[/quote]We actually learnt the way to nnewi.
Thats y nnewi is the home of automobile industries in Nigeria.
Their breakthroughs in assembling motorcycles and making parts crashed the prices of those tnz in Nigeria and other west African countries.

Demdem:
How much did Fashola buy the official cars?
Obanikoro himself didn't answer it.
If u can't answer it with verifiable proof like that of Oduah I think its best to shut ur trap.

u ppl have still not proved ur case with oduah o.
Not with the frequent change of title ur lots have been giving to her case.
U have not held onto one tangible accusation since then.
Losers

[quote author=Mayor_of_Lagos]Lagos was part of Western Nigeria mumu. Oshogbo, Oyo and all those places had the same administration with Maryland, Ilupeju, Ikeja, Ogba, Agege, Ikorodu and so on.

Ode![/quote]I repeat, every Lagos non indigene should leave Lagos for their villages.
U can gi back to our Oshogbo, oyo and continue ur begging and touting jobs.

dayokanu: Lagos is part of Yorubaland and any Yorubaman is free to live there and hold political positions. E.g Most big people from Osun and Ondo state live in Ibadan e.g Agagu, Fayose, Akeredolu.

Most big people from Ekiti live in Akure, A lot of Kwarans live in Ogbomoso and Osun State

Like its rumoured Tinubu and Fashola are not even originally from Lagos

The only non Yorubas welcome are those bringing significant financial investment into the place

Go and develop your region too with your 2 shirt and trouser , When you have 50m to invest come to Lagos.

Pray you live to see and celebrate the day people move en masse to Enugu or umuahia from all corners of Nigeria like they do to the SW

Cry me a river ooo.
Lagos was not developed by yorubas, simple.
Its cosmopolitan and cosmopolitan it must remain.
If u like go and hit ur head on the floor, I don't care.
Ur inferiority issues cannot help u, is it not inferiority that makes sb to wish His gov starts dealing with a group of ppl.
FYI, Enugu is cosmopolitan for all igbos but no Yoruba person takes pride in Ibadan. Shame on u

Womanitarian: That useless and talentless girl Linda Ikeji started this....She should tread softly.

Was she lying?
The yorubas on Linda ikeji don't cover up as the losers here do

eaglechild: It may not be far fetched to assume some of those kids have their roots in Ibadan.

A casual frolic on the escalator by a kid or two in the mall should not be equated to hundreds of wide eyed kids fighting to behold a world wonder.
I wonder which London you are talking about.
No sane parent will allow his kid to go playing in the tube with hundreds of strangers rushing by.

Ibadan peeps are local, but that's not even my problems.
I stepped into the thread when sb fantasized about Enugu shop rite dry in this Xmas.
Ndi ara

ilugunboy: Shattaap up!

You claim how busy and sophisticated Enugu mall is...I ask you for prove...you asked if I want you to be snapping cans of Milo and Bournvita ...can you see how pathetic you are already?

u made a proposition without proof, what does that say of u, a loser.
Good night biko.
meet u all in the morn

geeez: And three years later, it hasn't expanded by one aisle

While in Ibadan, they are planing a third outlet in less than eight months

Apparently they over estimated Enugu

Which clean people? All those Igbotic women with hairs on their chest, face and legs?

Shoprite Enugu is a failure and I wonder why they went there

Through my years in banking, Ibadan branches were always more profitable than all eastern branches minus Delta, Rivers and Akwa Ibom

Its like shop rite is the only type of large shopping center in that Ibadan?
In the east, the name is what made it come cos we are light years above local ppl like u.
U want to debate whether Igbo gals are finer than Yoruba women?
U get liver o.

ilugunboy: Your comment just confirmed that the Enugu mall is a non-profitable mall opened mainly for political patronage and not for financial consideration...

So, y did u p start saying what u can't prove in the first place.
Show me ur pix of dry Enugu mall nah
Or shop rite.
Smh. ilugun boy, u have tried, go to sleep as ur brothers

Just read the title of this thread again and I can't hello laughing.
u ppl better beg the OP to change it cos it sounds so funny.
Seriously, new yr celeb on escalator?
geez!

ilugunboy: Keep quiet....prove it with pix!

You villagers have serious inferiority complex issue sha!

I shd go to shop rite to snap bournvita and Milo stands?
U see y I said u ppl are local.
Ngwa, since u ppl are paparazzi, show me pix of the dry mall both in Xmas and out of Xmas sef.
Dreamers

geeez: My brother I've been to Polo Park more than ten times

It's always scanty

It's no surprise Shorpite there is struggling to stay afloat

Just imagine only one outlet three years after and Ibadan is already gunning for three in less than a year

The only time I shockingly saw a crowd there was when a telecom company had an activation outside and guess what they were there to do - just watch

Cry me a river.
If sb has said Enugu mall is dry this season, that means there is no truth that will come from ur mouths.
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One outlet in Enugu will still make more money than 230 outlets in Ibadan.
Its good u came to Enugu, let me bliv u.
At least, it means u saw fresh looking, clean men, girls and most esp children who are not scared of escalators.
I still can't bliv that thing happened in 2013.

ilugunboy: Shut your putrid mouth up for once!

You claimed the food courts in Enugu malls were swarming with hungry people.....on the 24-26th....it's either you were there or you heard it. So show us the people swarming the place...the burden of prove is on you to show us how busy and sophisticated the Enugu mall crowds were.

Am sure you've never cross the Niger bridge in your life into Asaba....not to mention anywhere is the SW....that is the only way to excuse your profound ignorance.

What are u talking abt?
U are irritated and I caught u?
Yes, I shop at polo mall almost on alternate days cos its the closest shopping center to my house.
Shows hosted in the food court, plus some others hosted in other spaces in the mall by Bournvita, Milo, Snaap drink, others which I don't know their names.
U ppl are pathetic biko.
How can u say Enugu of all places in nigeria is dry?

tosan200: And this guy will pray to have kids someday? it really shows how cowardly you are, Children who know nothing and you open that your disgusting mouth just to score cheap points. you must be a FOOL.

Abeg, don't use that victim card ish on me.
Those children are timid according to the story, and one of u was fantasizing of Enugu mall being empty at Xmas season for that matter.
Mere common sense disproves that.

Believe it or not, 042 kids are more posh.
If u come there, u see sweet and cute children, not all these ugly ....OMG

ilugunboy: Picture pls...or it never happened

Keep deceit away.....shoprite will be foolish to be opening shop after shop just to satisfy window shoppers in Ibadan.

Where are the pix from the guy who said polo park mall Enugu was scanty?
I live near polo park.
U ppl don't have enough shop rite look alikes in Ibadan, apparently.
No wonder, u ppl are chanted as unexposed and local.

royalsweetness: I noticed same in Ikeja city mall on xmas day, just that the kids weren't this many

That's the point.
And that's how u know ppl that are used to good tnz not some lowlife kids that are scared of a mere escalator and then started getting thrilled by it it
I cant imagine 042 kids doing same

Dahomey Amazon: Aw sorry, l heard polo park enugu was a ghost town through the holidays and shops are counting their loses.

lies!
U see, I don catch Una.
Polo park is actually swarmed this season such that shop rite extended its closing time to 10 pm instead of 9.
All the outlets in polo park are very busy,
The food court even held many shows on the 25th, 26th and 1st. I don't know of the other dates.
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Seriously, what do u ppl gain from lying?
More ppl than customers come to shop rite ibadan, they just snap and go .
Broke asses.
Is there any shop rite reported to be having low patronage if not Ibadan?

Meanwhile, 70% of Ibadan gals think that paparazzi means Razzi's father

geeez: Lol

What about the people that spent New Year in the Enugu jacuzzi?

Meanwhile Shoprite has two outlets in the ancient city

Could only mean they are making a kill

And I've seen white kids in those long London Underground escalators enjoying the 'ride' too and even taking steps up against the direction of the escalator so it's not an Ibadan thingy

The children are local,unexposed and timid, full stop.
How can an escalator be thrill to them?
Like they have not seen it before?
Enugu children are not this bush biko .
Did u read that they were actually afraid of the escalator in the first place?
Such timidity in 2013

dayokanu: Honestly the Yorubas like Fashola should be left with administration only.

To play core politics we need radicals. Especially from this weekend All luxurious buses from the east needs to be checked properly. if you dont have a business in your name supported by bank statements turn them back.

"I dey my brother shop dey learn markate" shouldnt be tolerated.

Learn your markate in your village when you have over 50m to open a business come to lagos

Who has a business without using bank statements to start with?
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Anyway, Lagos shd be left for real lagosians, anybody from Ogun, Oyo, ondo, Enugu, Kaduna, akwa ibom shd not come near Lagos, simple.
Begging and motor park touts, should not be tolerated.
Carry ur begging plates and skills and stay in ur oshobo , till u become enterprising enough to come to Lagos.

[quote author=Mynd_44]Perhaps you guys screaming should show us invoices and receipts that those cars are that expensive.

Besides what you people fail to get is that the corruption case against Oduah is not about the prices alone. The cars were not approved by the government, it was not budgeted for, they evaded taxes, lied to the SSS/NSA and inflated prices.[/quote]and u know every fact to fasholas 600 million naira cars?

aventura: Notice how the thread was hijacked by the Igbo poster who meant no harm. Tribalism is the primary evil in the Nigerian fabric.

Help me out
CFC is Igbo, am not sure Rossike is Yoruba, but the yorubas here, out of inferiority kept spewing trash over a project Dem Neva start

Yomieluv: Another giant stride,and who says SW aint the leader of all other region.

What are u ppl even talking abt?
Are u saying other states don't have large buildings that house diff companies and institutions in one?
Its not a bad idea, if u ask me but all these SW leading other region ish shd be thrown away.
The point is that for once, SW states shd accomplish all the plans it has been announcing for once.
I wouldn't be surprised if I get to see another thread of some of ur numerous political plans that only exist on paper.
Shebi Abeokuta be Ogun capital?
lemme not say anything

spyder880: I will soon take my camera around town again, showing the good and the bad. Enugu rocks anyday, I love my state.

abeg do.
u know how to capture the thing professionally.

achi4u: Without all4naija this thread would've been death by now, so kudos to my man for keeping us busy all this while.
As an Ebonyi man, there are still few mud houses in the hintervillages of my state , but to every one mud house in a compound there MUST be 2to3 modern houses surrounding it...reasons why some of those mud houses can NEVER be touch or pull down is because most of the old papa and mamas preferred it to brick house, they will tell u that this mud house is chilling during the hamattan season.
Their children will build a modern edifice but their parents will prefer to stay at their old huts.

It is even seen as a taboo for a young person to be living in a mud house in the village and be using GSM phone and other modern technology, even ur parents will not be happy with you,they old grad papa will be seeing you as a failure among ur peers.
How can you be traveling to big cities like Lagos, Abuja etc with a good living condition only to come back home with ur club friends to settle in ur old parents mud house? Never, he rather do any odd jobs in order to built a modern house in his fathers compound.
In my own ONUEKE town, hardly will you see some one still living in a mud house,the only widow still living in such house were pulled down by the youth of the village (Onistha branch which contributed money ) and constructed a three rooms brick house within a week just to level that mud.

Have I make myself clear?

Are u talking to all4naija?
He feels we are talking abt Yoruba land where mud houses full gidigba like that, where young ppl live in mud houses.