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[quote author=Mrs, Chima link=topic=857551.msg10076047#msg10076047 date=1327864296]Many things we do doesn't have to be right that is why it called FREE WILL or FREEDOM OF CHOICE.  We can either do it or not and suffer whatever consequences.   [/quote][color=#000030]Freewill means we can do whatever we please? How about everyone starts applying freewill and freedom of choice in whatever they do! The next step? Chaos!

Freedom of choice and the freewill line is off point! I could pick a lot of loopholes with my eyes closed.[/color]

pendo89:
lmao so Potato travelled to UK from Thailand? and cuddlemi is in Thailand?  
Wait a sec.I thought it was an Onion and a Tomato.
See by the time we get to page 10 of this thread we shal be talking about cucumbers and lettuce.
The recipe will change.

[color=#000030]Now i'm hungry![/color]

[color=#000030]The more i look at the topic, the more st[i]u[/i]pid it gets. . . No offence[/color]

MRbrownJAY:
as i already told you before: UNLESS A PERSON IS PHYSICALLY/EMOTIONALLY/FINANCIALLY READY TO HAVE A CHILD (AND CARE FOR IT FOR THE NEXT 18YRS), THERE IS NO REASON WHY ANYONE SHOULD BRING A CHILD INTO THIS WORLD!

my earlier post was aimed at those who brought religion to this conversation, nobody else.

[color=#000030]Now should someone who is NOT physically/emotionally/financially ready to have a child (and care for it for the next 18yrs) have flings, wanton sex, behave irresponsibly, live a promiscuous lifestyle, get pregnant carelessly, and then look to abortion as the way out, not minding the complications that could arise?[/color]

Without referring to Bible?  Because I can.

[color=#000030]Because you can, makes it right? So we should do as we please simply because we can? Scintillating! Let's rob a bank! [/color]

Why you doubt that?  I wouldn't even tell him that I am pregnant so he wouldn't even know.

[color=#000030]Pls dont tell him when you run into complications as a result of it! [/color]

btw: you have all the rights to believe that abortion is murder, just like i have all the rights to believe that it isnt.

[color=#000030]So can we now make our points without mention to religion?[/color]

solving the problem at hand.

[color=#000030]And killing an innocent unborn child is the only viable solution to a problem that could have been avoided?[/color]

[color=#000030]^^^
I did not call it a sin, i said abortion is WRONG, and errm yeah, Abortion is what? Abortion is MURDER![/color]

WebSurfer:
95% bro,

[color=#000030]Lemme get you straight! So if someone asks, Why are Nigerian men fraudulent? How would you honestly feel, especially if you know you are not fraudulent?[/color]

[quote author=Mrs, Chima link=topic=857551.msg10075825#msg10075825 date=1327862124]If it was ME carrying Chima's baby, I would abort.  Simple.[/quote][color=#000030]Why please?[/color]

@killz there is no proper advantage of abortion most people can't bear the responsibilities of their actions so they go for a quicker route to eliminate it, the reason i have a greater hate for abortion even more is cuz in school pple know i don't support abortion a friend borrowed money from me with the notion of paying back i never asked when he returned it i asked what the money was for ? to cut the story short , in some way i aided in the abortion which angers me, now back to post, there are contraceptives and drugs to prevent pregnancy the excuse of expired condom is just plain bull, poo , so he baby has to suffer for someone's negligence a friend of mine got pregnant in secondary school she kept the baby and that didn't change her life. she still works,dates and parties out that's called a mother's love and taking responsibility, one day these action will always haunt her.

[color=#000030]Now, this is the kind of argument i'm talking about![/color]

[color=#000030]Mrs C, the only solutions available: Abort or Dont abort!

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[color=#000030]^^^
Pendo, MBJ is just trying to derail the argument! Leave religion out of this issue. Simple![/color]

[color=#000030]Without making reference to Religion or the Bible, can someone please state the advantages of Abortion? Thanks in advance![/color]

[color=#000030]If anyone wants to dabble religion, pls open a thread on the religion section and post link. . . I'll be glad!

Religion aside, how will someone kill an unborn child, a child growing inside of you, it's not a risk to your life, a child that did not ask to be conceived, now it's conceived and has a right to life, and you feel comfortable snuffing it's life out? And you say to me that it is because of religion, that is why i am against abortion? Do you feel comfortable committing murder? [/color]

[color=#000030]LMAO @ quoting scriptures to support abortion. . .Smh![/color]

MRbrownJAY:
shouldnt you confirm what is that ONE THING that you are talking about, before anyone can try to prove you wrong?!

btw: i hope it aint sex, because if it is then you certainly FAILED!!!

chelseabmw:
A woman needs so many things 4rm a man[size=14pt] while a man needs just one thing 4rm a woman[/size]

[color=#000030]Smh![/color]

[color=#000030]Very soon, some one will tell me he hasnt seen girls hanging out alone! This is insane! All in a bid to paint Nigerian girls as bad, people talk with their arses? Wonderful![/color]

[color=#000030]END the relationship, take time to heal and then start off again! She is NOT worth it! [/color]

carfreak:
As it is right now, the foetus is legally not yet a baby so what happens?

[color=#000030]When do you start counting "9 months?" When does life begin, at conception or at Birth? Life begins at conception! [/color]

WebSurfer:
@sexykillz Ǻ♍ not saying i was victimized such girls, am only trying to point out what girls do that why they are that way, i wouldn't ße †̥ђά̲̣̣†̥ careless to D̶̲̥̅̊☺ ˚ such a mistake, i think i understand girls pretty well, like i saw a post earlier, a guy asking why won't girls ever take their self out, that is still talking about same selfishness which persists in them, some girls e.g pendo calls that nature, hell no, its not, they should just admit the fact,

[color=#000030]Of course girls do it! But is it all girls that do it? please answer truthfully![/color]

Nekai:
Well said killz but what about those instances where the mother's life is in danger if the pregnancy isn't terminated? Those who think abortion is justified in that case are basically saying that it's ok to kill the baby under extreme circumstances. What makes something an extreme circumstance? The mother's physical health is as important as her mental and psychological health and some women know they can't handle being pregnant under certain circumstances. The same goes for birth defects. If a child is going to be born with half a brain, or down's syndrome is it ok to terminate? If so, why? That child is a life and if abortion is wrong, it's wrong.

[color=#000030]Let me make myself clear! Naturally, humans have the innate ability to procreate. Sex between a male and female human by default, is the only "Natural" means of procreation. Originally, if you are engaging in sexu[i]a[/i]l activities you are doing so bearing in mind that you want to bring another human into the world. A human with a right to live, just as you had the right to live, and you were given the chance to grow in the womb for 9 months, and then finally born! Everyone knows that bringing another human into the world is quite painstaking, a challenge, a great task to bring him/her up! So, Being Intimate then should mean making a baby! Sex is quite pleasurable, and this pleasure is beclouding the sense of a lot of people today. Therefore, there had to be a way of havin[i]g [/i]sex, receiving that immense pleasure, without making a baby in the process. All manner of contraceptives were introduced ranging from condoms to pills blah blah blah. . . NONE of them is fail safe and experts in family planning or preventing conception would tell you that Abstinence remains the best if you are to avoid having a baby, therefore when havi[i]n[/i]g sex with contraceptives, a part of you still tells you that anything can happen. And that anything can happen means you could have a baby! So who should be blamed if a baby occurs? Who should bear responsibility?
If you are old enough to Be Intimate, you should be old enough to bear the responsibility that results of your carelessness. In this particular case, she DID NOT use contraceptives at all.
When your body spontaneously rejects a baby, is different from when you deliberately reject a baby! We cant argue on that! Even if a baby is to be born with a defect, IT HAS A RIGHT TO LIVE! Taking that right from it deliberately is murder![/color]

I'm just presenting another side to the abortion debate. Personally I don't think abortion is right, and every child deserves a chance.

[color=#000030]Theres always a yes or no when it comes to making decisions! There is no "buts" or "maybes". Abortion has it's complications. Some may be immediate, and some may be long term. The thing about it is that you have sole rights to your body, but when you ask others what they think means you dont know what to do. If after having the abortion and you lose your womb, who do you blame? Everyone's body make up is not the same. Some may have 20 abortions and nothing happens to them, but should that be a premise for your decision taking? Abortion makes people believe that they can get away with an irresponsible lifestyle, Any mistake they make should be unaccounted for since we can always abort! A little bit of thoughtfulness helps! If you argue that having a baby would ruin your chances at your academics and future partners i'll say you should have thought about all that before engaging in se[i]x[/i]ual activities in the first place! If you cant handle the heat, stay the hell away from the kitchen! You dont just have flings, get pregnant and then abort! That's the height of irresponsibility! Sex is for "matured" ones with a sense of responsibility, matured ones that would accept the fallout of any eventuality, irrespective of whether they used contraceptives or not. . .[/color]

apocalypse:
I don't think you get the whole idea about atheism , it is about belief in God , atheist don't believe in God and that is about all there is to it. Anybody who says there is no right or wrong ( or good or bad ) only says so for his own selfish desires , as an atheist I follow the golden rule of "do unto others what you would have done to you" not because it was written in the Bible but because it is humane. Always empathise with people and it will guide you on what is right or wrong. I don't drink , smoke , club or womanize because these things have no values. A lot religious people do all of this and more but it still doesn't affect their belief ( or so they think ) so please that idea about atheism is totally wrong.

[color=#000030]Nah! It's not totally wrong! Maybe your kind of atheism is quite different from that of claremont's, cos it seems you are even making more sense than he is! One thing i particularly dislike greatly about atheists is that they feel and believe that they know everything! And that since they dont believe in God, every other person that believes in a God is deluded. Therefore, when issues about morality comes up, atheists, especially claremont, has this notion that morality and religion are intertwined, and since he doesnt believe in religion, morality is trash, and then makes crazy comments like comparing spontaenous abortion to deliberate abortion, and not only that, making weaker points to support the earlier weak point! I'm surprised to hear you believe in right and wrong, good and bad, good and evil! That's your personal belief and you are not being castigated for it, as an atheist! Now, castigating a group of people for their personal beliefs in religion, and alluding every occurrence in their lives as a result of their beliefs in religion can only be best described as "BULLSHIT" in capital letters and in High Definition! If you dont share my beliefs, allow those that do to debate on the matter the way they deem fit. Let them bring in their religion to make their points! You are NOT religious, so when making points, try NOT to bring religion into it! It makes your arguments weak, substandard, incoherent and whatever substantive word there is for a baseless argument! [/color]

apocalypse:
Everybody ( atheist , Christians , moslems , buddist , hinduist , jews and pagans ) knows what is right or wrong and nobody can use a faith or lack of it to say otherwise.

[color=#000030]I'll like to dis agree with you on that!. . . But on another thread! Let's talk abortion now! I believe we are on the same team! [/color]

[color=#000030]Why do Nigerian guys not go out alone, but will always get a girl to go with? Your point is pointedly pointless, and utterly hopeless! I would have considered your statement if you had visited clubs and bars in the 36 states of the federation! Widen your exposure and stop making st[i]u[/i]pid statements! Gawd![/color]

WebSurfer:
from my understanding, Killz is supporting †ђξ girls of such chronic acts, Ʊ think all guys knows girls are and their intentions? Girls comes in different ways, Ʊ forgot to realize girls are good pretenders too

[color=#000030]I'm not supporting any form of chronic acts! I'm against anyone that shys away from the use of his commonsense, and then blames it on ladies that he specifically dipped his hands into his pockets, brought the money out, and spent on them, and then when he has realized he has spent himself so thin, he realizes that the ladies would withdraw, because he is now broke, and then he calls them selfish for withdrawing, but fails to call himself st[i]u[/i]pid for spending carelessly and attracting such caliber of ladies in the first place! [/color]

[color=#000030]This is NOT a religious issue! It's a matter of right or wrong. Atheists dont believe in the existence of right or wrong, they dont believe in morals, and they dont believe in the use of a conscience since the whole idea of a conscience dwells on right and wrong! So what exactly are they supposed to contribute? Deliberate abortion is murder! Murder is wrong! What makes it more wrong is the fact that you want to kill a baby out of your own selfish inclinations as a result of your own premeditated and carefully planned stupidity! Conception is not a thing to be toyed with, since it involves life. If you value life, you will not support aborting a baby, even a  week old baby. Life starts at conception, and that is the basis of "9 months!" 9 months will not be complete without the first two weeks. This should not be turned into a religious matter. Debating it religiously is pointless, since atheists dont believe in the existence of the bible, so i see no reason why you should argue over something you dont believe in it's existence! After the abortion, what happens? Any body with a conscience will feel guilt! Yes! You made a mistake by having reckless sex. The result of your romp is a baby, and now you want to kill it? Because you have the power to? That's insane!

Miscarriages or spontaenous abortions is NOT the same as deliberate abortion and this point cannot be over emphasized! Miscarriages always carry a sense of loss. A lady that loses her baby after a miscarriage is mostly inconsolable, because she lost a bay! Deliberate abortionists do so with a sense of pride and accomplishment for getting rid of a baby they perceive and refer to as a premeditated obstacle. How on earth will anyone compare spontaenous and deliberate abortions? What i see is that atheists know the truth about this issue, but telling the truth would make them look cowardly! This aint a matter of ego, but a matter of good or bad, right or wrong. if you dont understand the basics of right or wrong, i suggest you take a hike. . .[/color]

claremont:
So you mean it is perfectly okay for spontaneous abortions to occur, but it is a sin for someone to deliberately induce abortions?! In other words, according to your own way of thinking, it is perfectly okay for a foetus to die on its own, than for it to be extinguished in favour of its mother.

[color=#000030]If it is a matter of life and death, where the survival of a foetus will result in the loss of your life, then you can proceed and extinguish it, save yourself! But deliberately killing a foetus to serve your own selfish interest and to pay for your own stupidity, is nothing short of wicked! Especially when you are very healthy and at no risk if you allow the foetus live![/color]

claremont:
I believe everyone can now see the reason why I say religion does make supposedly good people say/do bad things. I rest my case.

[color=#000030]Atheism makes people feel like Demi Gods, and believe they can take selfish decisions to suit their selfish needs! No morals, No conscience. . . WTH![/color]

Everyone's relationship with or without God is different.  I don't know how HE would speak to her but I am sure she would get more clarity if she seek POSITIVE CONFESSIONS than some suggestions from Nairaland.

[color=#000030]My question still stands, and WTH is Positive confessions? Are people on Nairaland that dumb that she cant get a positive reply from them?

Whether they are atheists or not is out of the question! They have come to Nairaland where there are non atheists for help! Why the fcck will atheists come to non atheists for help, and then ask non atheists to reply like atheists? That's some serious inconsequential bullshit! If you do not want religious answers, stay the fcck outta a forum predominantly dominated by religious folks, and go look for some gawddam atheist forum and seek help! [/color]

[color=#000030]Spontaenous Abortion is one thing, Deliberate Abortion is another. . .

You dont need to be an atheist to spot the difference. . . Jeez![/color]

[color=#000030]^^^
You've missed the point and have completely deviated! Your example of me owning a social network is totally off point! Owning a social network is one thing, managing it without bias is another. If i cant stand the heat, i stay off the kitchen. I wont tolerate your bullshit simply because you want me to. If you want to make something clear, do so without bias and not because you have the power to do so! I dont start what i cant finish, and I still stand on what i earlier said! Still doesnt change hic![/color]

Any decisions she makes is strictly up to her.  I understand people are into meeting online and traveling for sex, but AIDS/STD's are real and she should have protected herself.  It would have been better if she kept her legs closed, but I am being realistic knowing not everyone waits until marriage.  

When it all boils down, she is not married and it is her body.  She has to live with any decisions she chooses.  

If she is religious/spiritual, she need to confer with God and seek the best option from HE.  

Wish her good luck for me.

[color=#000030]And how else is God supposed to "speak" with her? She has a brain and commonsense. Why should she be shy or lazy to use it?[/color]