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Lasinoh:
Good to see my favorite awusa boys around for a change.

Lasinoh Kina Lahiya, long time, what happened to your Okoro-Ngbatic boys nah? 

Akwai mai jin harshen turanci kusa? All these alhajis sef 

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I expect Abati to deny this report, because it makes no sense.

Order a private company to produce electricity as part of its CSR?

What does that even mean?

How about we order all PHCN offices to use their allocation effectively and do their damn jobs!

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=874750.msg10230696#msg10230696 date=1329716331]wth?

Too much useless time spent dwelling in the past on fake, suspect theories.

Let's look forwards, not backwards.

What will we do TODAY and TOMORROW to make Yorubaland a better place?[/quote]Typical ekt_bear 

You have a point, but I think it should be directed towards those who claim to be scientific, techie and all that forward looking stuff.

I referenced Wole Soyinka in my post and I'll use him as an example to make my point.

Soyinka is a student and teacher of culture, he used his interest, field and knowledge to place his people's myth, culture and art in the front of global discourse, as a producer and manufacturer of comparative literature, drama and art, he rose to the top, conquered in his field of expertise and got a Nobel Prize to show for it.


Now what's up with our Yoruba Chemists, Physicists, software engineers, biologists, engineeers. Why are they not at the top of their fields inventing new stuff? Or getting the Nobel Prizes in their fields? If Soyinka can do it, they can too.

There is nothing wrong with myth, we've not even explored or written enough about ours, the top Developed economies on earth have done more exploration of their culture and mythology that we have. It should not stop development.

Let those who are interested in other fields do their job and leave Myth explorers to do theirs.

Negro, bro, I'm not sure of the word stolen though. Our souls are similar just covered with different skin tones. Human heritage should belong to all humans, let's not be greedy like them.

I believe Wole Soyinka explored this issue with his adaptation/translation of Bacchae, the Greek Tradegy. Soyinka re-wrote The Bacchae of Euripides as a communion rite, and in that play, he did what some scholars referred to as a De-Arynization of Greek mythology.

In Bacchae, Soyinka deconstructed the myth of Dionysos, inserted the myth of Ogun and declared Ogun as Dionysos's elder brother

In that play and many of his other works, Soyinka tried to burst that bubble of western cultural superiority by finding powerful parrallels between Greek and Yoruba Mythology, especially their elaborate pantheon of God's and Orisas.

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But the differences can't be compared to say Hausa vs Yoruba or fulfulde vs Igbo right?

Another point is the cultural relevance of these Dominant languages, I did not see that point in the economist article. I believe that counts too. Hard to develop when the official language is alien, imported and very foreign I.e English.

I wish they explored that point also.

tayoccu:
@kilode
Erm china has more than 1 dominant language, mandarin and Cantonese.

Well, I'm not an expert on Chinese language but my understanding is that both languages are very similar, right?

Like Yoruba and Ekiti language, or Ijebu and Standard Yoruba or maybe Pidgin and proper English.

If that is so, Then it's enough to say they have one dominant language, people can easily understand each other.

General David Mark (Rtd) must surely be popping champagne while reading stuffs like this.

EzeUche:
What does "relative poverty" have to do with keeping a single language from dominating a country? I under linguistic rivalry and geography can be a factor, but poverty should not matter.

I must be missing something.

I'm not sure I understand their point very well but I can guess based on my own long term assumptions about language, culture and development.

A quick look at the G8 Countries show they basically have one central dominating language. France, Germany, US, Japan, China, UK, Russia, Italy all have this in common.

Now that does not mean they don't have other languages within their borders, but the undeniably dominant language is a single one. I'm sure there are outliers here and there, but this G8 example is powerful.

Diversity is Great, but lack of cohesion is a big problem, a common language aids understanding.

hispinkolo:
Abeg all these people screeching in the church should calm down.habba!!!

It is called call and response. It is an essential part of their culture and spiritual worship.

I heard plantain farm theft is one of the major risks WRT plantain farming, any ideas on how to prevent that.

I'll post more when I get a minute, nice thread.

Reference:
Really I thought under Nigerian law they required to uphold the constitution and wage war against enemies of the constitution whether foreign or domestic. Where does your President lie and where is the point of entry for a SNC.

I'm totally for structural reforms of this country. I believe it is the main cause of all our problems and there is no going forward in ANY issue of national importance including the vexed issues of the economy and corruption but the fact remains that there is a grand canyon between that utopia and where we stand right now.

The biggerst challenge to the SNC is the very democracy we all agitate for. To be quite honest what are the chances of obtaining a SNC is this kind of democracy. Ordnarily it should take two-thirds of Nigerians in sound agreement for the show to take place. We are still far from that position. The factors that will make 110 million Nigerians actively tired (not passively) of this present system is are not in place yet so the call all looks elitist and sectional. Sorry to say so we are yet to reach the level of suffering and despair to trigger a wider call. My two cents.

Because a president swore an oath to protect the country or the constitution DOES NOT MEAN he can't preside over, propose or sign new amendments to the same constitution.

Perfecting the laws of the land is part of the broader responsibilities of a democratic leader.

Aside that little point, I agree with your post.

We stretch our optimism too far if we expect a ruling Nigerian government ( Executive + legislator) to  propose and preside over a dialogue that can lead to a fundamental reduction in their  influence, power and control.

Technically, I belive we can find a political solution to this problem of fundamental restructuring, but I'm not hopeful. Not with these crop of people

A popular bottom-up uprising will change minds faster in this kind of situation. That is where I expect the agitators to focus on - capturing the heart's and minds of the people.

These centralized greedy, visionless looters will not remove food from their own mouth, forget it.

Sweetlemon:
@Kilode, the answer is simple, swallow your pride and start considering that Yoruba man, start loving that Igbo woman and start respecting that Itshekiri, Ijaw, Efik, elder, start smiling at that Hausa man in your area

That might be achievable on a micro scale when you are talking about a few individuals in a close knit group. Nigerian is a nation of 150M+ people with diverse languages and without a single unifying culture.

Now please educate me on how a nation of 150M+ can achieve this your plan on a macro scale.

Please respond to me like you'ld respond to a child, or a clueless leader with no nation building experience.

I really want to learn.

auwal87:
All of the above!

So in essence the people benefitting from the Nigerian disorder are the ones opposing fundamental dialogue and restructuring.

Sweetlemon:
before I start, let me say I AM NOT A GEJ PRAISE SINGER/SYMPATHIZER
I have watched in total dismay, the rate at which this site has turned into a tribal war site due to the rising belief among Nigerians that a split up of Nigeria will automatically solve Nigeria's problems.
My dear brothers and sisters, this belief, I must say, is a lie directly from the pit of hell!
Oh! so you guys think that spliting Nigeria will save you from boko haram huh? Well, I have news for you, Nigeria will keep spiliting into many tiny countries as long as the root of our problems remain in tact because we will still be stuck with the same evil breed of politicians who wll continue to sponsor more groups like they have been doing with MEND, boko haram, OPC, etc. More groups will continue to spring up from no where in our new countries! cant you guys see that!!!!
Cant you see that the real problem with Nigeria is LACK OF LOVE for one another and PRIDE?
Let me break it down, look at the west, let's pick lagos as a case study. We have the Ijebus and Aworis at each others throat on the issue of who the real settlers are. Imagine Nigeria breaking up, wont these groups also fight for who should govern over them?  Would an Ijebu man vote for an Awori man for president?
Let's look at the Niger delta region, we are all aware of the age old beef btw the ijaws and the Itshekiris. How would they cope with leadership if that region becomes a country?
In my state, the three ethic groups hardly see eye to eye. Imagine Akwa-Ibom and Cross-River as one state, the Oron and Calabar people will never be comfortable with the Ibibios ruling them. We will be back to that 'zoning' crap.
Look at the recent tribal clashes in Ebonyi state. Na boko haram cause am?
Think guys! dont allow the devil make us think that breaking up a family will solve its problems. look at India, it broke into pakistan, then bangladesh. Are they now living happily? tell me!
Look at Sudan, south sudan has been crying for 'independence from the northern part. now they have it. But guess what? Thousands have fleed south sudan due to fresh crisis in south sudan!
yeah yeah, I know it has worked for some other countries but how are we so sure it will work for us? It will not because of the nature of ofthe root of our problems
Let us love and respect each other's tribes, languages, cultures, and religion. That is the ONLY thing that can bring lasting solution to our problems! Where there is love and respect, people will start considering others in whatever they do or say. when this happens, corruption will die a slow but steay death which will then pave way for better governance.
Look at the U.S.A, if there is any country in the world that should be having 'tribal' problems, it should be America because se has an assortment of not just different RACES but also different NATIONS from all over the world. there are also different religions such as Christianity, islam, Jewism, Hindu, etc. This is because there are African Americans, Asian, Americans, European Americans, etc.
But do you see a New Yorker thinking that a Texan cannot 'rule' him?
Hell No!
Why?
Because although they may useifferent platforms, Americans generally speak up with ONE voice! they are together, they are united. do a research and you will see that is why they are still the most powerful country in the world.
Think about it guys!
My instinct tells me that breaking up Nigeria will be one of the biggest mistakes ever made in history, and believe me, its almost always correct!

OK. So tell us how to introduce this LOVE and Pride

I want to be educated

victorazy:
@ Kilode?!:
Is this also from Daily Trust? What do u mean.

You did not post a link or source. Provide one please.

Hin Okun, hin mo Ora o  

Is this also from Daily Trust?

Ok. So when will the money be returned.

Or is Sanusi going to dash CBN money to every Village in Nigeria before we correct this?

When will this illegally donated public funds return back to source?

Impunity!

Ok so who are the people stopping these "talks" then?

PDP?

Oil companies

Chop clean mouth politicians ?

Who?

Sagamite:
Bruv, urgency to do what?

To be fair to them, I don't think the police on the truck might have realised what happened as there was a fence there.

Secondly, I don't think anybody there would have seen such a thing before, they were mostly all just shocked.

Thirdly, Okadaman has to eat and pay his house rent. This one no consign am.  

Honestly, no use our belleful life to judge people that live on less than $1 a day, who see their pikin die before the age of 5, who watch their family members die of minor illness and their wives frequently die during child birth.  

The North of Nigeria is in the year 1907. South is in 1973. Lagos is in 1985. You are in 2012.

LOL


I no even sure sey I don reach 21st century o, Me sef need healing


We need a collective national group hug though. As a Country, our mind don wound finish

Sagamite & Ejine,

Not really. I know, they probbaly can't save the man with his torso flung 1 mile away from the bomb, but I was referring to the lax attitude around the scene.

It was even more shocking after the guy got blown apart.

Did you all see the camera pan to the police truck a few meters across the street? no urgency from them.

Did you see that Okada rider? he just glanced a bored look behind him and hung around still waiting for his next passenger perhaps, no sign of urgency or care.

We are wrong o, we need healing walahi

Is this real? Did a bomb just blow that policeman up, with people standing by with no sense of care or urgency?

We need to hold hands across this country and hum a therapeutic tune. We need a collective national psychotherapy session

Anyway is Referedum not in that your 1999 Abdusalami Abubakar constitution? I can bet it's not.


So much for democracy with democrats. . .

REFERENDUM: A vote taken by the general public to decide an important legislative or policy issue directly (rather than having the issue decided by a representative assembly or other legislative agency).

What we are saying is that there cannot be democracy without democrats.  - Nigerian Senate  Spokesman

LOL  
Comedian  

chrishenzo:
Nigerians and the way they always believe negative things said about them, especially when it comes from a foreign media.

First how did they come to the conclusion and the percentage. Where did they get their data? How many times have any media approached you and asked you how much you are earning? etc.This is a general propaganda.

Please do not believe anything you read  on the news. Do the reasoning first.

Bros, try to dey read things well before you respond. That data was compiled and released by the Nigerian National Bureau of Statistics.

In 2010, 93.9% of respondents felt themselves to be poor compared to 75.5% six years earlier.

Nigeria's population in poverty

1980: 17.1 million
1985: 34.7 million
1992: 39.2 million
1996: 67.1 million
2004: 68.7 million
2010: 112.47 million

Source: Nigeria's National Bureau of Statistics

Res ipsa loquitur

Unforgivable  

Unbelievable  

Zambia well done!

Both of them dey use juju ni??  

Toure