₦airaland Forum

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=836855.msg9883081#msg9883081 date=1325541043]In the context of what I have said in this thread, I think it is highly relevant.

If one does not see the connection between the two situations, then they should probably put in their contacts or wear their reading glasses

If it is so clear to you why the analogy is bad, kindly say why.[/quote]Hehe my contacts are on, they might need some lubrication though.  


I was referring to your statement here:

Honestly I'm not even sure it is that easy in general, when you have the existing wealth/cost gradient between Nigeria and its neighbors.

Hell, how effective is the US at patrolling its border with Mexico? That border is basically wide open as far as drugs go, and pretty permeable as far as human beings go

Here you are comparing US border control efforts with Nigeria's

I don't think that is a good analogy for this discussion.

1. You referred to immigration, here we are taking about commodity.

2. They actually police their border well and make visible efforts to prevent smuggling, not same here.

3. US custom is more efficient, can't be compared with our custom with their 10000 ghost workers as at 2009, creating overnight millionaires out of ordinary civil servants.

I can go on, but the point is that the efforts towards addressing smuggling and economic sabotage are not the same at all.

Katsumoto:
The demand in the neighboring countries will not disappear; what stops marketers from causing petrol shortages in Nigeria so as to sell at a higher price in neighboring countries if smuggling is not reduced/eliminated?

Exactly. That is the reason why there is no comparison. We do nada to fight lawbreakers and cheaters.

There is no point comparing a country that proactively fights smuggling to one that sits back and take whatever comes up the a**.

Read the story below about honey smuggling in the US, I can provide scores of examples and stories about smuggling prevention in serious societies. What we do in Nigeria is rent collection by a few corrupt custom and govt officials not smuggling prevention.

Our Govt give corrupt people no pain, they lack the will to punish cheaters and lawbreakers, but quick to squeeze life out of poor folks.

Story--> http://m.npr.org/story/142903171?url=/blogs/thesalt/2011/12/13/142903171/funny-honey-bringing-trust-to-a-sweet-sector-fraught-with-suspicion



From the link posted, it's obvious to see that smuggling is an issue in America, afterall, it's part of our human economic interactions but the prevention efforts are not the same at all. In Nigeria we make little to no effort.

But we are quick to remove subsidy with no cushion for our suffering masses. Ok then.

Ekt bear, the Nigerian govt has no integrity to stake anything on.

The new body (SURE) appointed to manage the subsidy money will do nada without the political will to fight runaway massive corruption. I'm yet to see that will.

I must say though, GEJ did not bring corruption to Nigeria, just that he's shown no evidence to convince me he can tackle foundational corruption problems.

Comparing Nigerian border and custom control to America's is just not worth discussing.

Happy New year Eyin Eniyan mi

E ku Odun Eku Iyedun, Odun a yabo fun gbogbo wa!


Fstranger Omo Akin Happy Birthday where ever you are.

Iya mi naijababe HBD

Katsumoto, wrestling yato si gidigbo

Just an FYI

BTW congratulobia to OAM4Jollification and the best political machine online

^
saro noooooh ban me o. Madam salone


Walahi Sagamite don miss hin calling. Leave cretins and face Nollywood o saga

See story

Oya, continue

Sagamite!!

Iro o, that cannot be the end of the story.

Oya come back and finish the tale.

^

WTH??

That was a scary treehugging liberal sob story. Do you drive a prius too? Smart car?

Kill the kokoro, put it out of it's misery already j/k

I kid

Lol @ "diva". Whoever called you that went in hard. haha

I can see that Katsumoto is putting in work in Japan. I thought we lost him for a minute.

Colonize their minds

Isale's reference to My Dreams:

That thread --> https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-833237.0.html

The thread would have been a good place to articulate that dream once again, maybe complemented with another enlightened treatise from Oga Katsumoto. .but NL had to do what NL does.

Anyway, wether they accept or not. There is something great about the Irunmoles. They don't hate.

Like Baba Abimbola said, "Ifa Will Mend The Broken World"




. .When the world is ready for mending. . .

Katsumoto:
It is Ijebu.

Na Igbomina.



@Isale, e ku Odun E ku Iyedun o. Aseyi Samodun!

Ewo tun ni ti edekede te n so?


Es esta Lagos español o español tradicional??

Kobojunkie:
There is no evidence of a Cabal in Oil oooo . . . . make una note this one ooo!! Enough of this nonsense of Ojuju Cabals hampering progress . . . the man just confirmed my suspicions. Many of these are simply marketers taking good advantage of loopholes made available to them by our Government.

Ok. I'll go get my license to import petroleum oyeeel tomorrow then.

^continued:

Eni ti yio joba aye, ayeraaye. Awa si ti ti imole re. .





Kai Yoruba Christians don over do themselves

The Universal Cabal theorem


LAW: IF you are making money, then you are not a Cabal.


MTN is making money / Oil companies are making money = same nooni

MTN is not a Cabal, therefore NO Cabal in the Nigerian Oil industry.

Oh sorry, I can see Isale  does not mess with oyinbo xmas albums.
.

Abeg, Jim Reeves still dey alive ni?

buzugee:
cant quite see that. he looks too prim, proper and dignified to be, ermmmm, running through drawers   one thing i know he ran through though is palmwine  

W'sup The high priest of the H-interwebs. My very kemetic brotha!




As per Kongi's escapades, it's well documented in his autobios, from palmwine server girl to fish Resturant waitress, Kongi don sample plenty Kongos.

Wole Soyinka has probably ran through more panties than all of the young'uns calling him g/a/y will ever see in their lifetimes combined.

I call BS on the whole needless drama

A government that cannot police the greedy Oil cabal, can never keep the projected savings from subsidy removal safe.

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=816612.msg9805805#msg9805805 date=1324411594]Wonders shall never cease.  So, Debo is Yoruba afterall.   
Dobosky, Quick!  What's Omoge saida?  Also, ologbo is cat, but whatthehey is ogbologbo?[/quote]LOL

This is the cutest cry for help I've read online this year.

It's so cute, you can pinch it.

I can visualize Isale pulling debosky by his trouser to a corner

Haa!!


Awon Asewo ti gba'joba Lori thread. .  


Idowuogbo I'm not referring to you o. Eyin wuwo lowo mi baje. Iya mi ni Mushin fun ra ara e.  

I pity Katsumoto and Isale with all these ijinle Yorubas here, especially the japo-spaniard I'm sure he's totally lost. Awon Yoruba ajeeji sha

I dont know about the title but I like the interview below, especially the point about religion and publicity.

I asked made a similar point in the form of a question on an Ifa thread here last year or so. I believe that our culture can use a great dose of propaganda and concious, targeted publicity

Christianity was built on that basic, but powerful premise that there is something great to sell here,  Go. Spread. The. Good. News. Jesus was a master at that. Mohammed too. Wether by force, coercion, manipulation or threat. Sell or perish.

We (african religion, philosophy ideology ) have done a poor job of selling what we have. We gave up leverage. I understand we were forced to do that in many ways, but still. . .

The question I asked on the Ifa thread was about the proselytizing nature of Abrahamic faiths, particularly Christianity, in comparison with say the Ifa/Orisa Religion.

I wondered what could have happened to Ifa religion if it was a convert seeking faith. I mean an in your face evangelizing religion.

Take Nigeria's Christian history as an example, the first wave of Christian revival came with European traders and colonialist. I believe the second was during the Protestant/Pentecostal revival of the 70s/80's ( that probably knocked Elebuibon's program off the air in the 80's) with everybody that was anybody attending a "fire spitting" pentecostal church, I'm sure most companies won't want to be branded as an Ifa promoter.

Anyway, point is: If you think it's good, sell it. Or it will die with you.

Learn from Jesus.  

Most Nigerians are closet traditionalists - Elebuibon

http://www.tribune.com.ng/19102007/weekend.html


Chief Ifayemi Ayinde Elebuibon

HE calls them the men who have always stood by me and assist in putting my messages across to the public.
This is true.

High Chief Ifayemi Ayinde Elebuibon, poet, dramatist and foremost apostle of ancient Yoruba traditional philosophy and religion has, indeed, enjoyed the goodwill of the media who have been showcasing his activities from the 1980s.

As evident in the newspaper cuttings displayed at the interactive session with reporters held as part of activities marking his 60th birthday which ended last Sunday in Osogbo, Osun State with a grand party, the media have really been invaluable co-sojourners in Elebuibon's quest to propagate his theo-philosophy.

Samples: Michael Awoyinfa (now Mike Awoyinfa, Editor-in-Chief, Sun Newspapers) wrote an engaging piece titled Africans of the Diaspora gather for Ifa festival in the Sunday Concord of December 9, 1984. Segun Adelugba, in the Saturday Tribune of January 30, 1982, wrote Ifa Olokun: NTA's popular series.

Jahman Anikulapo, Editor, Guardian on Sunday, equally wrote a story entitled African spiritualism for Brazil in the September 6-12 edition of Lagos Life. Others like Sina Oladeinde, Editorial Page Editor, Nigerian Tribune, Yemi Ogunsola, Jare Ajayi, Segun Ajayi and several foreign reporters, have also written on the man who did not see the inside of a school while growing up yet rose to become a visiting professor to several institutions across the world.

Little wonder that at the session with culture journalists held on the eve of the presentation of his new book, Ogofa Ewi, and his autobiography, the Akoda Awo of Osogbo and Atayese of Ido-Osun, spoke extensively with the reporters who engaged him on several issues. Excerpts:

How would you rate the level of your success in propagating Ifa and traditional religion generally?

We have recorded some achievements while I can also say we have not made significant progress.
I premise my assertion that we have made progress on the fact that in the 1960s when we just started telling people of the West about our religion and philosophy, they were at a crossroad; yet to decide on what to do. But when you go to the United States now, we have made significant progress.

All the African-Americans who knew nothing about their past, culture and ancestry now do and several of them come to Africa and Nigeria to worship Orisa (god)and learn about Ifa. Many of them now speak Yoruba and even write books; they research into Ifa. So, we can say we have made progress there.

But we have not made significant progress here. People are still not very aware of the knowledge and beliefs of our fathers because of the received religions of Christianity and Islam. People have thus forgotten their roots.

In all countries I have been opportune to travel to, I realised that there is nothing as valuable as one's own culture. Let's take China as an example. Wherever is designated as China Town will have everything about Chinese culture and herbs. If a Chinese establishes a restaurant, he will have an altar somewhere showcasing his roots.

The same applies to the Indian who is a proud ambassador of his culture. Besides, Muslims and Christians are in India but theydon'tt disparage their roots and philosophy. The Japanese is the same. Anywhere you see a Japanese, he will speak his language fluently. If you happen to be in a work place where there are several Indians or Chinese, they usually gather to recite chants, what we call ofo (incantation) most afternoons.

Sadly, it is not the same here. We do not yet value our ancient philosophy and knowledge. Until we find ways of blending aspects of our culture into our everyday living, we may not progress. Even in our system of government, we have to introduce our culture.

What are you adherents of African traditional religion doing to make Nigerians aware of your existence because all your activities appear shrouded in secrecy?


Publicity is not part of traditional religion. Professor Wole Soyinka and I discussed the issue in Atlanta, that we should start publicising our activities. Publicity is embedded in the other two religions and that's why Nigerians are more favourably disposed to them.

Then, most people that ought to be adherents of traditional religion have all gone to churches and mosques. But the truth is that most of them return to traditional religion when they have problems. In fact, majority of them are closet traditionalists. Until people stop being ashamed of the faith of their ancestors, we may not make headways.

What's the relationship between traditional religion and traditional medicine?
There is no religion without its system of healing. If you assess Christianity, you'll see it uses prayer and fasting in healing. Islam, too, has its systems. African traditional religion gave birth to traditional medicine. The white pap came out from the black pot, they are inseparable.

If you ask who started traditional medicine, it is Orunmila and Osanyin. And Orunmila is the head of all Orisas (gods) in Yoruba land. Osanyin, that is the patron of traditional healers, was a slave of Orunmila and it was Olodumare that gave Orunmila knowledge of herbs to heal people.

But some people claim they are traditional healers but are not adherents of traditional religion. The Awujale of Ijebu land, Oba Sikiru Adetona and I had a debate about this issue when he claimed Ifa is a vocation. But the fact is, part of it is a vocation, andit'ss a religion.

Is there any relationship between you and the Babalawos (traditional healers) who are abroad, specifically those in Oyotunji, in the United States?

Everything over there originated from here. Oyotunji, Brazil and the Carribbean, everything originated from Yorubaland. The founder of Oyotunji, when he wanted to propitiate the Orisa (god), he came to Nigeria.

What we do most times is to educate them about what they don't understand because they have taken aspects of our culture too; marriage, dressing, tribal marks and even kingship system.

We have a good relationship. When they have events there, they invite us and when we have functions, we also invite them.

You used to produce Ifa Olokun Asorodayo, a TV series. You also produced music albums, movies and books but you have been silent of late. What's happening?

Times have changed and most organisations, TV stations included, have prioritised profit. Everything has been commercialised and we have been unable to get sponsors to partner with us.

Producing for TV requires big money. Before you assemble the cast and crew, write the script and begin the shoot, it takes time and money. But that's not the most important thing. Getting a sponsor is the most important thing. If we can get sponsors, of course, we will produce different series.

It's lack of sponsorship that has stopped us from producing Ifa Olokun like we used to do. What we now do is to extract episodes from it and turn it into home video and VCD for people who want it.

As for my songs and ewi, plans are afoot for us to have our own studio so that we can mass-produce our records for people to enjoy. We presently have a store in town where all our records are stored.

A word for your fans?

It's a piece of advice and prayer for the Yoruba people: May we not get lost before we realise our folly. We should celebrate our culture; our food; clothing and language. We should particularly try to ensure that our children speak Yoruba language in the house because the family is the most basic unit of sociali-sation. When we imbibe the good parts of our culture into them, they will become better individuals when they grow up.

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=816612.msg9792665#msg9792665 date=1324243144]P.S. Found out this friend I was concerned about, eventually passed away.  Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi rajiun.  Very sad.  He was quite devout too.  Did his prayers all the time; I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to fast this past August when he was probably already on his way. . . .  Oh dear.  I just dug up a Prayer Book he gave me too.  His wife is already back at work.  What else to do?  America is not Africa; Gotta take care of 4 children and his nephew they were raising.  I am convinced there is a strong case for wrongful death - his employers' doctors put him on wrong meds and everything. . . Will recommend a couple of good med malpractice/workers comp lawyers to the wife.  It won't bring him back, but we can't be victims forever.  So long, brother Camara.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.288.html#msg7629010[/quote]Pele Isale, So sad.


Please if there is somebody or something sue-able help Them do it fast fast. Life is too short to pity corporations. May Allah accept him to Aljaanah.

naijababe:
Katz, so na only mouth u get eh? Shio

Emmm, Oluwo Kilode, e bami dariji o jare

Koda, mo ti fe fi oro Katsumoto yii to awon iya leti.

Anyway, a kii binu ori ka fi fila de ibadi. mo ti dariji.

^
Soootin star is my first team na    

All these oyinbo are for extra Jaara amusement Jare.

One United Sootin star!  

Well done o Oga Kats. Me I don't drink and post.

Anyway that Omo Sagamu is not far from the truth, we know Kat posts under the influence on most days. I don't trust that Cretin killer too, he's hardly sober anyway.



BTW, Up the City of Manchester!!

Man U + Man city = One United City

JamesDoe:
At kilode?

Celebrity crime or dirty disgusting non celebrity crime!

I think a combo crime section is needed. It was a dirty disgusting crime commited by a celebrity against a helpless non-celebrity.  

Do you know whoayaam?

Tuuushaiii *dirty slap*  



This thread should be in the Crime section.

^

I go PM you. We also pay for votes. So get your account details ready