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Adaka Boro killed, Saro Wiwa killed Soldiers dashing Soldiers Oil blocks Odi bombed Amnesty granted Soboma Killed John Togo Killed Military men involved in Oil bunkering -wikileaks One day, we go hear the full gist of what is going on in those Niger Delta creeks. ![]() https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-503028.64.html https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-277451.0.html https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-506848.0.html https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-644433.0.html https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-64470.0.html |
Phony200:Hmm Same with the forklift operators which is the reason why they are aso incorrigible too. I'm not saying they are bad people but a company that needs to send all casuals home when they have foreign visitors from CCHBC definitely has something to have.You mean they don't want their foreign partner/investors to see how they treat Nigerian casual workers? I bet those people are aware of how they treat them. They probably don't want to see no evil ![]() I've seen people collapse, not once, not twice from the stress of debulking or sorting. Something has to be done. I agree with you that casuals have a chance at further employment that it's into contract staff roles which are nearly as bad too. |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=670487.msg8348762#msg8348762 date=1305754631]^-- It isn't the norm elsewhere in Africa, is it? Unlikely to be a poverty-related thing. Perhaps the "big man" culture of Nigeria.[/quote][quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=670487.msg8348869#msg8348869 date=1305755834]I doubt it is tithe alone. It is all the special offerings. Donations from the rich in your congregation, people dashing you house, car, plasma tv, etc. Man this church business sounds sweet[/quote]Yup, If you do some decent research into why we seem so reluctant to question wealth in our public spaces, I can wager that the "big man" syndrome will feature prominently as a factor. Another factor could be the cultural-religious belief that "god" gives wealth, it is not easy to question "god" ![]() IMO, We are not big on social and scientific skepticism, You can easily see the "reluctance to question" play out in various aspects of our society. @Violent, I think Oyedepo has a story about how he started from nothing. I've heard it before but can't remember the details now, I will see if I can find a link. If you pay a visit to his church at Ota and observe how his congregants give offerings, tithes and other stuffs, you won't be too surprised really. Public servants, Military officers, businessmen and Politicians, they are all there. Oyedepo has some very rich congregants, great charisma, and a very compelling personality. I bet it adds up. Now, wether you and I believe him is another issue, but in a country where we don't seem to value record keeping and the few public ones we have are considered state secrets, I'm not so sure you can verify a pastor's financial record. Nigeria is probably the best country to start a church business in; very deep religious sentiments, mixed with poverty, little to no regulations and a culture that largely frowns upon skepticism = ₦Billions for the smart pastor |
[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=668139.msg8348198#msg8348198 date=1305747726]Ok, I guess Im kinda confused about how politics run in your country. Can someone explain to me how PDP "won" but ACN is telling it how to share its power and run its government![/quote]I thought I was some kind of "expert" on Nigerian politics myself. I got confused too. I went researching how ACN can possibly vote to pick the Majority Speaker/Senate president and I found this: http://www.senatepresident.com/senaterules.htmlI know there are minority leadership positions for the minority parties but I do not understand why ACN is allowed to vote a majority HOA officer. I guess their influence on the matter can go beyond backroom dealings and public statements. Very strange IMO. Kinda show why these people are all "buddies" |
Ismile:I'm not saying you are lying, but your information contradicts some of theirs. Do you work with Coca-Cola or are you a public representative for them? since you are "authoritatively" speaking. Anyway, I get your inspirational story about hard work and pulling yourself up by the bootstrap and all that good stuff, but that is not the point here really. Not every casual worker will become a Director, we simply don't have that kind of space at the top and maybe they want to be casual worker all their lives, it's their choice, it does not matter really. Even the N200 per day street-sweeper adds value. Point is, they still have the right to ask and fight for better pay, and if they succeed, good for them! afterall ,we are a capitalist society and their labor is a factor of production, Coca-Cola will have to review what they are worth and the workers too will need to do that also. Businesses will always need both skilled and unskilled workers and no matter how developed, driven and educated we want them to be, Truth is we will always have poor people, we will always need people to do these back breaking menial jobs. How we treat them is a reflection of our values as a society and the values of the companies they work for, especially when you are making good profits like Coca-Cola. That's my $0.02 on the subject. Taking, Coca Cola has to do something about the take home of their contract staff, but demonizing the company will not be absolutely right.I don't think anyone is "demonizing" Coca-Cola because their casual workers are asking for better pay, I know I'm not. |
Ismile:Are you sure about what you posted? it's either you have the wrong information, someone lied to you or the protesters and reporters are lying. See their argument below: Work at your own risk Showing a deep scar which he claimed to have sustained at work, Mr Emoga said the company had refused to take any responsibility for it."The company said it was not their business since casual workers are not entitled to any health policy, so at the end of the day, I treated it myself, and yet, they refuse to provide us with safety gears," he said. However, employee who wanted anonymity said engaging the casual workers through a third party removed some of the responsibilities, including the provision of safety gear, from his employer. The official said, "The third party has stated on their (workers') contract to come with covered shoes because we realized that when we used to engage them directly, some would take some of these things and refuse to show up for work again.At the end of the day, businesses have a right to maximise their profits and workers have the right to demand and agitate for better renumeration. All parties will have to weigh their options, bargain and decide based on whatever benefits them. Workers risk losing their jobs and Coca-Cola risk efficiency, productivity(on the near term) and a good public image. |
ObamaUS:ROFL |
^ Yup, Thanks to religious sentiments, Ethnic mistrust plus access to a very big federal account. |
In 2007, this was the same trend of unjustifiable figures that did not match normal voting patterns that discredited the election. What, then, is the fundamental difference between both elections? Yet we are told one was the worst and the other the freest and fairest. This is nothing but a joke. |
^^ I tell ya! I go soon open church, I want to enlarge my coast ![]() |
[size=15pt]Wealthy Nigerians, Pastors Spend $225 million on Private Jets[/size] May. 17 2011 - 12:32 pm | 1,659 views Nigerian pastor and private jet owner David Oyedepo. (Image via Wikipedia) A few wealthy Nigerians spent at least $225 million acquiring private jets between March 2010 and March 2011, a Nigerian newspaper reported on Monday. According to the report published by the Punch Newspaper, a couple of the acquisitions were made by billionaires Aliko Dangote and Mike Adenuga. Last year, Dangote acquired a US$45 million Bombardier jet as a gift to himself on his 53rd birthday, while Mike Adenuga purchased a Bombardier Global Express XRS. Both Dangote and Adenuga own at least two private planes each. Apart from wealthy business tycoons, Nigerian clergymen and spiritual leaders are also joining the very elite league of jet owners. In March this year, David Oyedepo, a Nigerian cleric generally believed to be Africa’s wealthiest gospel preacher, acquired a Gulfstream V jet for US$30 million. Oyedepo, who presides over the Winners Chapel, one of Africa’s largest churches, now owns a private collection of four aircraft. In addition to his latest acquisition, he previously owned two Gulfstream planes and a Bombardier Challenger Aircraft. He is also reportedly creating a private hanger to accommodate his flying toys. Oyedepo is not the only Nigerian clergyman to own a jet. Pastor Enoch Adeboye, the revered overseer of Nigeria’s largest congregation, The Redeemed Christian Church of God, is also a proud jet owner. In March 2009, the great man of God spent $30 million on a Gulfstream jet amidst widespread criticism. Pastor Sam Adeyemi, another cleric and founder of the Daystar Christian center, a flourishing Pentecostal congregation which repeatedly preaches financial prosperity, is also a jet owner. It’s not cheap to own a private jet. On average, it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars annually to maintain a personal plane. The majority of Nigerians frown at such flagrant displays of opulence, particularly on the path of their clergymen, given that 60% of Nigerians still live below the poverty line. Paradoxically, the same people who complain about the extravagant lifestyles of their spiritual leaders are the same ones who finance it. Every Sunday, swarms of worshipers rush to the church to give away their hard-earned money to the pastors’ coffers in the form of tithes, offerings and special gifts with the deluded hope of multiplied financial blessings in return. For many, this is but a pipe dream. Deep down, the pastors smile; they’ve got just the perfect suckers. http://blogs.forbes.com/mfonobongnsehe/2011/05/17/wealthy-nigerians-pastors-spend-225-million-on-private-jets/ http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art201105163222837 |
4llerbuntu:This is a very sad story really. Where is ekt_bear? American capitalists have nothing, zilch! nada! on the profiteers we have in Nigeria. We have zero regulation and maximum enjoyment for brave profiteers! Bring your businesses to Nigeria, your profit will be as high as your greed can carry you. I think I should be hired to write a trade copy for the Federal Ministry of Commerce, any contacts ![]() |
buzugee:You are on the money! Couldn't have put it any better. |
[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=668925.msg8341732#msg8341732 date=1305673782]I posted the text below in another thread but it is appropriate here as well. I also believe that we need a law in Nigeria which will mandate Primary school education and provide jail terms for parents who do not send their children to school. Those who want their children to become Almajiris should provide after school training for them. The archaic culture of enslaving millions of youths and rendering them a menace to the society, in the name of senseless implementation of an aspect of religion, must be eradicated from our mist. I wonder why we don't have Almajiris roaming the streets of Saudi Arabia, Quatar, or even Indonesia, in great numbers (millions). Note that, the children of the Sultan of Sokoto, IBB, Atiku, Ciroma, Yerima, and other so-called leaders of the North will never be found in the streets of Nigeria roaming around as Almajiris.[/quote]+1 |
almost 72 percent never attempted school at all in Borno State, compared with less than 3 percent in most of the states in the southern zones.This is effing unforgivable!! What!!! I propose a mass public de-balling(castration) of all living education administrators and governors of that state. |
Ibime:I kinda agree with you, which is why I always wonder about people who are quick to call Nigerians welfarist or socialist people. I mean, a country like Nigeria with such a high cost of living where every household is a local government unto itself, providing their own electricity, water, health services and even security. I can't imagine how we can refer to Nigerians as welfarist or socialist. Anyway, I digress, yes the cost of living in Naija makes a N400 wage almost criminal. Like Beaf said yesterday or so, The Nigerian economy is beyond definition. |
Ekt, of course capitalism is more attractive and that is because of several values embraced by the ideology itself, if we leave capitalism to the whims and caprices of charlatans, profiteers and "free market" extremists, I bet it will be as worse as North Korean Socialism, probably worse. We allow several values i.e workers rights, sensible labor laws and other stuffs to determine the direction of our capitalism thereby perfecting it as we go. I need my profit focused businessmen as much as I need by labor rights people. BTW, I'll move to Cuba, my Orisa worshipping ancestors have a stake in that country ![]() @isale, I added Cuba to the list, I'll alternate ![]() |
We are in trouble, Isale is going to kill us with her professorial terminologies if we don't agree with her. Where is naijababe to save pesin? |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=669633.msg8341667#msg8341667 date=1305672881]The problem with I have with the capitalism sucks crowd is that they are all largely hypocrites. These are the same people typing away on their computers that "capitalism sucks" in obodo oyinbo. Or to China, Brazil, Japan. If capitalism sucks so bad. . . why aren't ya'll moving to Cuba or North Korea?[/quote]Now you are arguing like Glenn Beck ![]() Capitalism does not suck, but extremes suck. Money or capital are not the only factors of production, what about human labor? computers were made with labor too, so they deserve to b1tch and irritate you for higher wages. The problem with your move to china argument is that you are complaining about an extreme position while suggesting another extreme, people don't just shoot themselves cause they are sad or depressed, human beings are generally rational actors. I'm sure there are people who think North Korea and Cuba sucks, but will never leave the country. Same for communist China. Does that nullify their argument? Let's not dismiss their extreme argument with another extremity. BTW North Korea Sucks, but I'll move to Cuba in a heartbeat, those Cuban mami's do not sucx at all ![]() |
I can't type long sermon from where I'm at right now but; Ndu-chucks the other side can make the same argument you made; you can't understand how it feels until you are earning N400 per day in Lagos. At the end of the day, both sides will fight for what will favor them. Everybody is important in this situation. |
Ndu-chucks, we will respond more purposefully in due course, we are a work in progress ![]() Dunno about Jesse Jackson and his shake down efforts though, not trying to shake Coca-cola down. Kobo, I believe I've said all I can say about how much we and our govt can do. @ekt, maybe on some social and fiscal issues yes, I don't think I'm left like that though. |
Ekt, I understand your argument, but remember, laying off hundreds of striking workers no matter how low-skilled they are comes at a cost, you'll have to hire new ones, build trust and give them some time to settle in, it will affect the bottom-line. Anyway, I suspect we have ideological differences on this issue, so I will let it rest for now. |
Kobo, I agree with you on the role of government and our responsibility as a people, of course we voted in looters in April, so they are worse than these companies. Still we must point out the inadequacies of private businesses and their dishonorable practices. We can do both at the same time, it shouldn't be mutually exclusive really. |
@ekt, it's human labor, you cannot separate the human part from it, these are not some machines working on some job. The "human factor" makes that example cruel IMO. If we allow businesses to determine how much they pay us without b1tching simply because it will take a few change off their profit we will all still be working-serfs. |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=669633.msg8341119#msg8341119 date=1305667395]OK. I am a rice farmer. Every month I produce a unit of rice. I search around looking for who wants to buy. One guy offers me N1000, another N1100, another N2000. So once a month for two years I sell to the guy for N2000. Now, eventually over time I don't like this price. I want to sell the crop for more than N2000. The guy refuses to raise the buying price. Now, if I search around and find someone else willing to meet my new price of say N2500, then fine, I simply stop selling to him. But if I cannot find anyone willing to pay more, then I'm in no position to b1tch about the price he is offering, am I? And I'm certainly in no position to demand more, or guilt-trip/force him into paying more, right? Why is he obliged to pay me more money for the crop I'm selling than what others are willing to pay? Minimum wages have never made sense to me. If you don't like the salary at your job and think you deserve more money but they are unwilling to pay it, then it should be easy for you to quit and find a higher-paying job. And if you are NOT able to do so, then it should tell you you aren't underpaid at all.[/quote]It's always a "great" day when a "free market" proponent comes out to compare human beings to commodity. At the end of the day bro, we all can't get jobs anytime we want, we will always have poor people and some skills will be worthy of higher wages. But since we need people to flip burgers and pick up trash, the way we treat them and their living standards is be a reflection of how much we value ourselves. Of course they should b1tch, everyone has a right to seek for something better than their present state. Agitation for higher wages should not be for investment bankers and Doctors alone. We all have a right to seek for better. At least they are workers not criminals, they obviously add some value to the company. EDIT: OK, I now see you agree in reponse to yeswecan that they have a right and should "b!tch" (complain, unionize, ask for more) that settles it for me then. |
[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=669633.msg8341088#msg8341088 date=1305667106]Kilode, Coca Cola Enterprises has NEVER done the right thing without being dragged kicking and screaming! Those mofos were unrepentant during the anti-apartheid movement. They absolutely could not be moved. Enough rhetoric! Gimme my orders o jere; I'm in CocaCola City. [/quote]LOLShhh, don't let them know the "Nigerian Workers Liberation Movement" has a secret weapon in their backyard, Let's see if they will play ball first. If they don't, then we will ![]() |
Kobojunkie:Basic fairness standards, just basic fairness. I'm not demonizing Coca-cola, I'm not the one protesting either, those are their workers, and yes N400 is "slave wage" IMO. Yes the Nigerian government pay "slave wages" too, actually, if you consider how much they pay clueless politicians and the fact that we have close to zero social services, our minimum wage in Naija is "Death Wage" We can condemn both sides. [quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=669633.msg8340967#msg8340967 date=1305665948]Wtf. Nobody is pointing a gun at anyone's head to work there. They were told how much they'd be paid before they got hired, right? They agreed to the salary structure, right? So what is all the b1tching about? If they feel that they can earn a higher salary elsewhere, then they should quit. Simple as that. It is a free market. . . everyone gets to sell their labor for as much as they can, and people try to buy labor for as cheaply as they can. Labor is just like any other thing being sold/bought.[/quote]Calm down bro, Freemarket capitalism ain't perfect, let's not poo poo on poor folks just because we want to champion "free market" values. At the end of the day, increased wages means more money to spend on free market goods, right? so "free market" still benefits. You kinda sound like Rush Limbaugh though ![]() |
@Kobo, paying hard working folks N400 per day when you are reaping good profits from their labour is simply inexcusable. Yes, Let us condemn the government for their poor efforts (especially when Bankole and Davis Mark take Millions of dollars home every year) But at the same time we should not excuse Coca-Cola. N400 per day is "slave wage" |
Meanwhile, Coca Cola continues to grow stronger with increasing profits from the Nigerian Market: Coca-Cola HBC Offers to Buy Rest of Nigeria Bottling |
[size=13pt]‘We are not slaves' [/size] BY GBENRO ADEOYE May 17, 2011 01:58PM On Monday, casual workers of the Nigerian Bottling Company Plc makers of Coca-Cola, protested against the company's working conditions at its Ikeja plant in Lagos."We come to work everyday,31 days a month and 12 months a year, with nothing to show for it," said Femi Martins, one of the workers. "We do hard labour with sweat, as if we are prisoners and they expect us to survive with N400 a day. At the end of the year, we don't even get a bottle of coke as bonus for the year's work." The protesters dropped their tools at the Plant located on Lateef Jakande road and demanded for improved salary and welfare, stating that they would no longer accept the N400 daily wage being paid to them. ‘No more slavery' Bearing placards stating ‘No more N400 work per day', ‘we say no to slavery', the workers demanded for a new pay package of N45,000 monthly, which would translate to over 200percent of their current salary of N16,800.Workers who work on Weekends are entitled to an amount which they call ‘incentives'. Recently, the workers' weekend incentive was reduced to N200 from N350, in spite of claims of having more workload being pushed at them with the latest departure of some workers. A worker who works as a stacker and identified himself as Samuel, said they used to be five in his unit, "but they have reduced us to three which has increased our workload, but instead of increasing our pay, they are cutting it. "Francis Olawoyin, a worker with two kids, said it has been tough as the family has had to rely on his wife for "too many things". "I have a child in senior secondary school one and another one in junior school three, but it's my wife who has been doing a lot," said Mr Olawoyin. "For me, I've only being working hard and earning very little." Some of the workers who have worked for a long period of time also expressed their displeasure with the management for keeping them as casual staff all along. Work at your own risk As casual staff, they are not provided with the required safety gear, thus remaining exposed to work-related dangers, and are also paid lesser than their colleagues with permanent appointments. Dan Emoga, who has worked as a casual staff for nine years, explained the risk of working without health insurance in an industrial environment, with its attendant risks. Showing a deep scar which he claimed to have sustained at work, Mr Emoga said the company had refused to take any responsibility for it."The company said it was not their business since casual workers are not entitled to any health policy, so at the end of the day, I treated it myself, and yet, they refuse to provide us with safety gears," he said. In a statement signed by the management and made available to NEXT, the company claimed that the workers were engaged "through service providers for the plant." It further stated that, "The company is currently having internal discussions about the situation. It is our desire to resolve this matter swiftly, amicably and equitably. It is not appropriate to go into details while these discussions are continuing. However, further information will be provided at the earliest opportunity." However, employee who wanted anonymity said engaging the casual workers through a third party removed some of the responsibilities, including the provision of safety gear, from his employer. The official said, "The third party has stated on their (workers') contract to come with covered shoes because we realized that when we used to engage them directly, some would take some of these things and refuse to show up for work again. And the weekend incentive was reduced because he initial amount of N350 was a mistake, which has now been corrected." http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/Metro/5701345-146/story.csp |
[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=669431.msg8339915#msg8339915 date=1305655850]Ah! Kilode?! Where have you been? Yeah, Buzugee is a man of many talents, who blends in, flies under the radar and swoops in when you least expect him.Hey, Buzugee, Kilode is the [i]brutha [/i]I was looking for. lol. (You'll understand, if you check my post in the last place you+me+Cap talked. )[/quote]Hmm, I saw the "last place". Now that "she" is on the NL homepage, I hope she won't stumble on my "professional" critique of her abilities. You know every little thing depresses them. Fingers crossed sha. |
^^ Your people: are they in government or they own phone companies too? ![]() @Isale, Yes, you did smoke him out, apparently Buzugee is not one of those good folks contributing to the Nigerian economy through Western Union remittances. |
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Where have you been? Yeah, Buzugee is a man of many talents, who blends in, flies under the radar and swoops in when you least expect him.