dalaman:

Which evidence did you provide to show anything?

The correlation with the Bible's account is my evidence. Where is yours ?

JackBizzle:



See dodging.

Ebuka please get some sense. You are neither a qualified lexicograher nor philosopher. Your definition is irrelevant, as someone has earlier stated. A

As for your wife-killer pastor, it reflects badly on your already ill-reputed church

K

dalaman:


Didn't you read the Wikipedia entry I provided?

Where is the evidence to prove what was written there ?!

dalaman:


Can't you read? The Talmud mentions two Yeshu as
1. Yeshua ben Pandera
2. Yeshua the Pharisee

They two are NOT the Jesus of the bible.

There is little correlation in the stories. One of them was killed before Jesus of the bible was born and the other after he died.

As for the evidence you sent about external sources, they are NOT good evidence, just poor evidence. We an examine them and I'll show you why the are poor evidence.

Can you provide evidence to prove those claims you just made or don't you understand English again

JackBizzle:

Interesting. So kingebukasblog has reached new heights of delusions. He can now define atheism better than atheists or the dictionary.

Of course why not . So many great discoveries have been made by questioning conventional ways of doing things or generally accepted views .

Also, can you give a comment on your wife beater pastor

I'll do that when you comment on the 200 million people that have been killed by atheists in the past 100 years

JackBizzle:



I'm sure you have nothing to say about the pastor from your church who beat his wife to death.

"Judge not , that you may not be judged"

dalaman:


Which lies?

There are noticeable challenges to the identification of Yeshu as Jesus. The two individuals often cited as being representations of Jesus are Yeshu ben Pandera/ben Pappos, and Yeshu the Pharisee. The Talmud mentions Yeshu ben Pandera's stepfather, Pappos ben Yehuda, as being among those martyred with Rabbi Akiva,[3] who was executed at the climax of the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE.[4][5] Furthermore, Yeshu the Pharisee is described as being a student of the second-century BCE nasi Joshua ben Perachiah, as well as being among the exiled Pharisees returning to Israel following their persecution[6][7] by John Hyrcanus.[8] These events would place the lifetime of either Yeshu decades before, or decades after, the birth and death of Jesus.[9][10]

The first Christian censorship of the Talmud happened in the year 521.[11] However, far better documented censorship began during the disputations of the Middle Ages. Advocates for the Catholic Church alleged that the Talmud contained blasphemous references to Jesus and his mother, Mary. Jewish apologists during the disputations said there were no references to Jesus in the Talmud, and claimed Joshua and its derivations was a common Jewish name, that they referred to other individuals. The disputations led to many of the references being removed (censored) from subsequent editions of the Talmud.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud

So where is the evidence to support those claims ? At least we have evidence : The correlation of the story of Yeshua in the Babylonian Talmud with the story of Jesus in the bible . So where is your evidence ?

CAPSLOCKED:




SAD TO BRING THIS TO YOUR NOTICE,
BUT YOUR DEFINITIONS ARE WORTHLESS AND NOBODY CARES.

over 15k views and 8 pages of comments . I'm sorry bro

https://www.nairaland.com/3944605/there-atheists-acknowledge-existence-creator

sonofthunder:

on what basis are they worthless sir?

I've shown them how unreasonable their definitions are . The problem is that they don't understand that those definitions are actually unreasonable . No matter how I explain , they don't get it . So I thought the money would motivate them , yet I got nothing

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Disprove my own na - No

Oya I've shown you how unreasonable yours is - Eh , leave it like that

This is basically what they've been telling me for two months or so since I publicized my definition

Hold on ... I'm coming

Nice article dear . Keep it up

Happy Sunday

ScienceWatch:
Mmmmm, The King makes sense. SATIRE !!!! Ok I could explain like this to Kingebukasblog without derailing his world changing topic.

King, I will get back to you on this.

Alright then , no problem

dalaman:


Admit am wrong by reading a verse as it should be read?

Then Sam Harris was right about Luke 19: 27 . Are you kidding me right now

Hope this is not one of your "the verse should be read figuratively " stunt.

I just told you that their sins can be traced in other verses in the book of Jeremiah . Haven't you read the bible before ??

dalaman:


We can agree that some of them are evidence outside the bible to show that a man named Jesus existed but they are not good evidence

Who is 'we'? Its obviously what you tell yourself

The babylonian Talmud has been shown by some Rabbis that is it not the Jesus of the bible because it was written before Jesus was even born.

Lies

Also there are other non-Christian sources listed and the bible was also referenced to show the similarity as it was done here with the Babylonian Talmud

Here's an excerpt from the article :

Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud

There are only a few clear references to Jesus in the Babylonian Talmud, a collection of Jewish rabbinical writings compiled between approximately A.D. 70-500. Given this time frame, it is naturally supposed that earlier references to Jesus are more likely to be historically reliable than later ones. In the case of the Talmud, the earliest period of compilation occurred between A.D. 70-200.[20] The most significant reference to Jesus from this period states:

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald ... cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."[21]

Let's examine this passage. You may have noticed that it refers to someone named "Yeshu." So why do we think this is Jesus? Actually, "Yeshu" (or "Yeshua" is how Jesus' name is pronounced in Hebrew. But what does the passage mean by saying that Jesus "was hanged"? Doesn't the New Testament say he was crucified? Indeed it does. But the term "hanged" can function as a synonym for "crucified." For instance, Galatians 3:13 declares that Christ was "hanged", and Luke 23:39 applies this term to the criminals who were crucified with Jesus.[22] So the Talmud declares that Jesus was crucified on the eve of Passover. But what of the cry of the herald that Jesus was to be stoned? This may simply indicate what the Jewish leaders were planning to do.[23] If so, Roman involvement changed their plans! [24]

The passage also tells us why Jesus was crucified. It claims He practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy! Since this accusation comes from a rather hostile source, we should not be too surprised if Jesus is described somewhat differently than in the New Testament. But if we make allowances for this, what might such charges imply about Jesus?

Interestingly, both accusations have close parallels in the canonical gospels. For instance, the charge of sorcery is similar to the Pharisees' accusation that Jesus cast out demons "by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons."[25] But notice this: such a charge actually tends to confirm the New Testament claim that Jesus performed miraculous feats. Apparently Jesus' miracles were too well attested to deny. The only alternative was to ascribe them to sorcery! Likewise, the charge of enticing Israel to apostasy parallels Luke's account of the Jewish leaders who accused Jesus of misleading the nation with his teaching.[26] Such a charge tends to corroborate the New Testament record of Jesus' powerful teaching ministry. Thus, if read carefully, this passage from the Talmud confirms much of our knowledge about Jesus from the New Testament.

dalaman:


Oga if your like have the pope's Annotated bible, just tell me what offence they commited that lead to rhe punishment according to the verse.

D-man , first admit you are wrong . I cant be wasting my time . Admit you are wrong , you won't die After admitting then I'll either take a photo of the page or type the content and post it there .

dalaman:


These are not good evidence in my opinion. They are poor evidence.

Appeal to personal incredulity

Because you dont think they are good evidence , does not make them poor evidence .

The fact remains that these are evidences of Christ' existence from non- Christian sources , there are so so many more sir . I wish I could find that tweet , its paining me right now

dalaman:


Oga, you said punishment is the true explanation. What offence did they commit according to the verse?

D-man , I'm waiting for you to admit that your accusation is false and baseless just like Sam Harris' simply because of Luke 19:27

I have Duke's Annotated Bible here with me which outlined their sins and reasons for punishments as seen across so many other verses in Jeremiah . The humiliation won't be sweet unless you admit that you are wrong to base your claims on that verse and ask humbly (very humbly ) to show you the reason for their punishment which was now withdrawn .

She obviously does not know that a man can have an orgasm without ejaculation . This can be experienced through the constant practice of Tantric sex

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3nim:


Well, there is strong evidence that Jesus was a real man, but there's actually none of a "God" in Heaven.If you think there is, please let me know. I'd really like to hear it (no sarcasm intended)

We don't have empirical evidence that Jesus exists as God in Heaven but we have good reasons from the bible and his life on earth to conclude that Jesus is indeed God in Heaven .

I am not interested in the prize or the challenge because if I turned the tables and offered 10 times your amount to anyone who could prove that God exists...I'd also be walking back home with my cash intact, you know this.

A clear term in the contest says that if I can't refute any reason , argument or evidence of God's existence then the cash prize would be awarded to the interlocutor who presents it .

I can bring evidence , reason and tenable arguments to support the existence of God which I know you can't refute (no one has ever refuted them though ) and win your cash . Should we try it

I personally believe, that no one can prove the existence or non-existence of God. The "Facts" we know could always be wrong.

Well its your personal belief and I respect that .

And he's either there or he's not- as long as no one has seen a God in Heaven or an empty heaven (or afterlife), I don't see why anyone should feel so sure of an answer. Still, It's either yes or no. 50-50.
I'm definitely interested in a discussion, tho. I have the time lol. I just don't know if you would be fine with it on your thread... would you?

Well the relationship with Christ is a personal one . Some have witnessed many encounters with a Christophany (the appearance of Christ ), so they can say based on their experience that Christ is indeed alive .

I don't think you are actually open-minded about this, I don't mean to offend you please- I'm just letting you know what I think after reading some things on this thread.

If I were close-minded , I wont have been willing to put the challenge up to talk of doling out cash to anyone who wins it

I read some of your replies, you think Christians and theists are the smartest people on earth? I beg to differ. I wonder how dumb you think I am

See dear , I deal with facts , raw facts . Not farce . Looking at history and the present theists have always been the smartest and with the best contributions to the progress of mankind . I can go on and on and on with the names of the greatest minds who were theists and the present ones who have extremely high IQs . Its all been theists .

There are intelligent atheists but they are very few and sometimes intelligent people have silly and idiotic beliefs .

Please, also let me know if you're actually christian or just a deist.

Who do you say I am ?

dalaman:


A verse clearly says God repented for evil he had done, you refuse to accept it and said it means punishment. So tell me what offence did they people commit that they were for from the verse. You haven't told me what offence they commited and why they were punished. Very empty and hopelessly shameless you are.

A very clear verse in the bible shows Jesus saying that his enemies who would not let him reign over them should be brought and killed before him

Luke 19:27
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Tell me the difference between you and Sam Harris in this video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtlW-LEqu8

dalaman:


What are the strong evidence to show that Jesus was a real man?

Many evidence especially outside the bible that Jesus existed from non-Christian sources

https://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources

I remember liking a tweet that contained so many non-Christian sources of Christ's existence from different people (it was a long list ) but Twitter won't let me get past December 5 on my liked tweets. Don't worry I'll bring it for you when I bump into it. Manage this one

budaatum:

ScienceWatch, Finland Votes To Protect Children From Christianity would be an example of what we were talking about.

The post is a satire . I know many atheists are not educated enough to understand what a satire means .

This is from someone's whose signature reads 'First rule of a Nigerian Atheist - Thou shalt verify thy facts!'

And failed woefully to verify facts

Pathetic

Joke's on you man BIG TIME

cc : felixomor , butterflyl1on , Sciencewatch et al

sonofthunder:

am I reading this or something else? lemme come and go and come back first...

Its dalaman and his clowning antics at their best . You shouldn't be surprised . He interpretes the scriptures his own way and then wants you to agree with him . Till now he has not told us what this evil is and what makes it evil . That's how shameless empty he is

This basis of this topic has to be the biggest joke of the year . Right behind is that the UK tampered with its alliance with America by voting against Jerusalem being the capital of Israel during voting at the UN today after Trump severely warned America's allies that they are being watched carefully .

Rejoice ! Rejoice people of God . The world would be free of atheism soon .

dalaman:


They shouldn't be taken literally because you don't want them to or the person that wrote them in the bible doesn't want people to take them literally? There are no mansion and streets of gold because you don't want them to be there or because they writers don't understand what they wrote?

Jesus himself described heaven as a material place. I'm revelations heaven was described as a material place. Now you are trying to tell us that the writers of the bible are wrong and shouldn't have said that heaven is a material place. Well done.

Omg ! See enjoyment. From this post , I can conclude that you are indeed enjoying your new metier

redsun:


China is a third world nation too that is just on the verge of freeing itself from the pang of inherent superstitions and delusions. Don't rely on them for your statistics on the increasing number of christians because as soon as the development and enlightenment spreads to the abjectly poor and ignorant that needs the euphoric effects of organised religion to stay focus,the spell of Christianity will die a natural death.

Switzerland , Norway , Finland all the countries with the biggest economies in the world are Christian countries and are highly educated .

Do you know that current China is an atheist country ? It was during the time of Mao and was then classified as a Third World country . China is now experiencing rapid growth in its economy alongside a rapid growth in its Christian population .

Atheism is rapidly dying a natural death with its massive decline since the 1970s like I said earlier . Atheism began to surge during the godless revolutions in the 1800s that led to the communist governments later on . Now the communist governments are losing their hold on the masses and atheism is quickly disappearing in the remaining atheist states .

When China and North Korea finally get liberated from its communist governments , the world will breathe fresh air , the fresh air of freedom after atheism has been dumped. Halleluyah !

uyigideon:
The Bible tell us that the street of heaven is made of gold, if you can go to a place where the street is made of gold, how will the buildings there be like? how will the life there be like? imagine, that is where God himself live who created everything and it for eternity.

These things should not be taken literally but figuratively . There are no mansions or streets made of gold in Heaven . Heaven is immaterial realm and gold , mansions are physical/material things . Mansions , streets were used in the bible were used to describe the presence of God and the unity of children of God in Heaven .

Seun take note too before you start forming too pedantic . Sir pointing out "flaws" in the bible

redsun:


The moslem moderators blocks anybody with contrary views to what they believe is true.It is cult that is still very much in its primitive stage and it is not open to rational argument or opposition at all.

Christianity has moved on,it is at it dying stage at the moment,and only the fundamentally ignorant(the natives) and some loonies in 'developed' world like america,e.g,trump,are still hanging on to it,mostly for identity reason and in furtherance of their divisive quest of them against us.

Christianity is projected to gain 800 million adherents by 2050 and lose about 80 million .China is expected to be the world's most populous Christian nation in the face of the totalitarian religious-intolerant communist goverment.

Atheists have been expected to decline massively as they have been doing since 1970s .

Do you know how many people atheism lost after the failure of communist regimes across the world? Especially after the fall of Soviet Union in the 1990s . Atheist nations had populations at more than 1 billion when put together while the population of the world was at 3 billion . Now , atheist population is close to being insignificant when compared to the world's population.

But redsun of Nairaland thinks Christianity is dying while facts reveal that atheism is indeed dying . Ignorance is indeed dangerous .

butterflyl1on:



Indeed you are immeasurably shameless. Your position is on the word REPENT but the said evil you said God repented of you have no idea what it was.

How can God repent over something he never did?

This was the same thing you did on the other thread with the word hybridization. All you do is hold on to a word and not look at the context in which it was spoken and then draw your inference.

You are a clown and deserve to get a full time job as a comedian. Even when you were asked to state the said evil God repented of you said with your own mouth that YOU DO NOT KNOW AND NEITHER WAS IT STATED yet in same breath you insist that God repented (based on the usage of the word and not the context) and you say you are normal or your brain is not withered and dry?

Please take yourself in for a mental evaluation. I have told you that ever since you became an atheist your mental state has been on a steady decline and every day on nairaland you keep proving me right.

The best advice anyone can give you today on nairaland is simply to shut up and bury your head in hibernating shame away from this thread until hopefully you receive fertilized sense into your head.

He learns from their leaders , that's what they do . Here is a video of Sam Harris taking a particular text out of context and how he was shamed by a brilliant theist for doing so . The humor only makes the video more interesting . Enjoy !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtlW-LEqu8

dalaman:


All these explanations are just ridiculous apologist drivels. A passage says I repent me of the evil I've done unto you while the apologist is saying it means I am satisfied with the punishment your nation has undergone, the other apologist is saying it means he has compassion over them and will change his ways and course of providence over them.

Even the apologist are all over themselves and can not even provide a single and united interpretation. All of them are just interpreting it differently.

Ogbeni, state the evil that was commited and what makes it evil or keep quiet

You are the only one claiming God committed evil yet you don't know the evil that was commited and what makes it evil

you are hopelessly shameless