₦airaland Forum

all4naija: I feel sorry for you. For being a very primitive person! Jeez!

kingston277:

koyyes:
.#laughs, rolls and falls off my locally made african chair# o my goodness,

Dude, nobody cares where your chair came from. After all, why isn't your chair made in Cameroon, Niger or Ghana? Because Nigeria/west are the only sources available to you? So how can you expect me to gain access to Caribbean/African goods? By import? You Want me to import a huge a.ss leather computer chair? I can only use what is availble to me. But unlike you, I actually buy from my own ethnic group as many times as I can, therefor keeping money within my community and by extension, funnelling back to Africa/Caribbean. African expatiates in Portugal did the same thing back in the 16th century, that is why Africa was more wealthy and prosperous than your glorified, "more civilized" dumping ground for western nations that you currently live in right now.
[img]http://2.bp..com/-wyH7LQByMk0/UPF_65kXIAI/AAAAAAAADmk/2QFMVL3dPzI/s640/Netherlandish.jpg[/img]

Today's Nigerians with your mindset on the other hand, allow foreign companies to pump your oil and precious metals out of your country and take half the wealth with them. The other half goes into the pockets of your brain dead elites. Practice what you preach, otherwise your words are worthless.

how western slavery,brain washing and stuuuupidity has turned some people into frustrated lunatics that they don't even make sense when they try to communicate.

Are you drunk or is are the fumes affecting your ability to reason?
http://hitchcock.itc.virginia.edu/Slavery/return.php?categorynum=2&categoryName=Pre-Colonial%20Africa:%20Society%2c%20Polity%2c%20Culture
What in the above is brainwashing. Take off your tinfoil hat.

When last did you have a dirty stream bath if you call that more civilized and advanced than fetching bath water from a bore hole

Where did you see/hear people bathing in rivers in those times? Can you stop pulling info out of your a.ss, you are starting to sound like a lunatic.
https://i.imgur.com/yTkf0BO.jpg?1
Bathrooms
Also, why would the inventors of shadoofs be bathing in rivers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadoof
And thats ignoring the irrigation systems at great zimbabwe that were described by colonialists as effective as modern irrigation systems.

I feel pity for you. Even the caribbean is no longer regarded as a home to you that you now live your life like a vagabond. Even with what is happening in nigeria, it nothing compared to what you and your people who you hate so much face.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/caribbean-nations-outraged-dominican-racism.

Thanks for the link, just a little something I can use against the likes of you who praise African societies that are closer culturally to the West while criticizing those who actually care about their history. You might want to review your link because It appears to be aimed at people like you rather than me. And try posting links next time that are relevant to the argument.

Do yourself a huge favor, take your ancient pics, video links as well as your white masters books and share with your caribbean black people and see if they will not 'devour' you.

We already are returning to our roots, thats why we are moving foreword. That is why even Lybia was more developed than you even though they were run by a dictator. They stuck with they traditional, progressive ways instead of borrowing garbage western ways that don't benefit anyone but the originators of that culture.

That's why your live,eat, sleep and shit in nairaland. As 'bad' as we are, we are what you and your descendants will never be even in the next 100 years.

Judging from the way you self-haters are running your country, the whiteman will soon steal all of your culture that made you successful in the pre-colonial times, repackage it, then export it back to you just like your natural resources. Pathetic.

I feel your pain and envy, take heart!buhahahahhahaha! Next time you want to post an ancient pic that depicts the good old days, make sure you post a pic of smiling faces,

I'm pretty sure I did from the Bamoum kingdom a few pages back, but it seems I can't expect any truthfulness or efficiency from you anyway.

probably from societies who used to live naked and not malnourished people that look like corpses,

Those people look naked and malnourished to you?! GTFO and go back to kindergarten, the internet is strictly for grown-ups. And get your eyes checked before hand so you don't fail the class.

also make sure the pic was taken with a camera invented by an african.

Show me a camera invented by any other culture in the world at the time.
Are you telling me this isn't enough?
https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ya51284efa.jpg

Poor lost, Sadistic, moronic fool like you! Still wondering why I won't prove my points with historical pics and unadulterated african books, its very simple- I treasure my heritage and I don't share them with demented sell outs who lack comprehension- that's insulting. Hope that sinks. looool.

Why don't you start providing NL some facts instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks. It would greatly help demonstrate some level of maturity for such a complex topic. If not, then I suggest you back out. You have not demonstrated you have any knowledge in research, archaeology, linguistics, history or awareness of the diversity of cultures. You also do not exhibit any attributes of a post-secondary educated individual, who read university text books and spoken to knowledgeable individuals, much less avoiding this mentality:

RandomAfricanAm: @kingston277
Thumbs up to you. That said you are going to run into the same problems with the self haters over and over. Typical broad issues are...
1. The attempt of translating African ideas/institutions into incompatible European intellectual containers.
2. A poor(lopsided) grasp of the general history of Humans and their activity through time.
3. A poor ability to process historical knowledge of Human activity through time to make insightful descriptions of todays society.
4. Misguided rationalizations exacerbated by issues #1-3 above.
5. Dogged stubbornness brought on by the idea that "I didn't come to this conclusion by an emotional fit, I came to a rational well thought-out conclusion". This being done under the more fundamental issue noted in #4
6. A poor "spiritual/emotional" relationship with the topic under discussion brought on by personal observation(school/real world) of that topic. While the rationalization serves as justification for the stated position; the spiritual relationship mediates which rationalization was stated in the first place.

Until you learn from individuals like the one above, there is no real purpose in debating with you on an academically closed topic. Engaging you in petty bickering to try and enlighten you with generally accepted facts does not help contribute to the NL knowledge base anymore than it lowers peoples faith in the education system. The bottom line is, don't preach about things you have no formal education in. And don't listen to people who have no formal education in a subject. Since you like to have the last word, I will let you finish, but I'll leave people with more diagnosis on your psychosis:

RandomAfricanAm: Two major vectors of foreign cultural attack...

1. Media(music, movies, TV shows, websites, sports)
2. Returnees from the Diaspora(People associate the status of these people not merely with application of education; but also with hairstyles, speech, clothing, etc)
**I should also add the vestiges of the old colonial education system that's still in place**

Note: number 2 is the vector I have the most issue with concerning these self hating people. The most ironic display being the ones who complain about "backward superstitious people" who then basically attempt to devour other peoples culture in a bid to be like (insert perceived quality here). what makes that ironic is they are employing the same logic as a person killing a lion and devouring it's flesh in a bid to be like (insert perceived quality here). It's the same line of logic except concerning a different entity.

Note 2: Colonization provides the gapping hole for those cultural mores to take a stronger hold then they normally would otherwise. The self haters also seem to believe that the fact that the colonial period(that only lasted 50ish years ...spain was occupied for 800) occurred is a rationalization for their cultural "betrayal".

RandomAfricanAm: That sh*t is sad man. sad
The worse part is that they feel like they are being "realistic" "responsible" "progressive" or my personal favorite "civilized"(even though they completely miss the keyword *civil*) Automation & mechanization does not equal civilization; Automized & mechanized barbarians are still practicing barbarism. Simply put mechanized barbarism is still barbarism.

Neutral Example: When the tent dwelling, spear chucking, horse riding Mongolians sacked and overran china they were barbarians being barbarous. When the mansion/castle dwelling, rifle/cannon shooting, galleon/wagon riding Europeans sacked and overran china they were also barbarians being barbarous.

Self haters conveniently skip that and other episodes in world history nor do they dare say they the fact that china was overrun by a pack of tent dwellers on horse back means that they should stop city planning, administrative practices, civil engineering projects, etc. and accept the superior tent dwelling "civilization" that was obviously justified by chinas round defeat and occupation by Mongolians. Nor do they say that the Japanese should give up their Shinto tree, rock, etc spirits and become "civilized"(or in self hater language "industrialized", "mechanized", & "automized" ...which is what they really mean when they say "civilized"wink

As concerns my ideas surrounding African spirituality I suggest you checkout my reply on the second page of...
https://www.nairaland.com/1554976/whats-literal-translation-north-south/1


As I like to say...
1. Freedom is a necessity but not enough. Choices are predicated on what you know at the time of calculating a decision. If I control what you know I control the range of your possible choices.
2. Knowledge is a necessity but not enough. Knowledge derives it's usefulness from being processed when calculating a decision. The smaller the range of process you are capable of carrying out the less you can do with what you know.
3. Processing(intelligence) is a necessity but not enough. There are a series of Processes done in executing a plan. If you have no plan your interests are subject to those who do have a plan. Be that in using your ability to process knowledge to further their plans(not yours) or simply by your interests being displaced in the execution of their plans.
4. Plans are a necessity but not enough. Plans are simply a means to accomplishing a goal. If you have no goals in life your interests are subject to those who do have a goal. Be that in using your ability to plan and/or process knowledge to further their goals(not yours) or simply by your interests being displaced in the execution of their goals.
5. There are more but I can successfully reply without stating the rest


While I commend the Self haters for wanting better for themselves and Africa as a whole.

I question...
1.The range of knowledge they have at there disposal when coming to their stated positions
2.The range of processes they were able to employ on that knowledge.(Which led to their inability to make historically consistent positions)
3.The extent to which their self hate surrounding colonization impedes absorption, development, & execution of new knowledge and processes.

koyyes: .#laughs, rolls and falls off my locally made african chair# o my goodness,

how western slavery,brain washing and stuuuupidity has turned some people into frustrated lunatics that they don't even make sense when they try to communicate.

When last did you have a dirty stream bath if you call that more civilized and advanced than fetching bath water from a bore hole

I feel pity for you. Even the caribbean is no longer regarded as a home to you that you now live your life like a vagabond. Even with what is happening in nigeria, it nothing compared to what you and your people who you hate so much face.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/caribbean-nations-outraged-dominican-racism.

Do yourself a huge favor, take your ancient pics, video links as well as your white masters books and share with your caribbean black people and see if they will not 'devour' you.

That's why your live,eat, sleep and shit in nairaland. As 'bad' as we are, we are what you and your descendants will never be even in the next 100 years.

I feel your pain and envy, take heart!buhahahahhahaha! Next time you want to post an ancient pic that depicts the good old days, make sure you post a pic of smiling faces,

probably from societies who used to live naked and not malnourished people that look like corpses,

also make sure the pic was taken with a camera invented by an african.

Poor lost, Sadistic, moronic fool like you! Still wondering why I won't prove my points with historical pics and unadulterated african books, its very simple- I treasure my heritage and I don't share them with demented sell outs who lack comprehension- that's insulting. Hope that sinks. looool.

RandomAfricanAm: @kingston277
Thumbs up to you. That said you are going to run into the same problems with the self haters over and over. Typical broad issues are...
1. The attempt of translating African ideas/institutions into incompatible European intellectual containers.
2. A poor(lopsided) grasp of the general history of Humans and their activity through time.
3. A poor ability to process historical knowledge of Human activity through time to make insightful descriptions of todays society.
4. Misguided rationalizations exacerbated by issues #1-3 above.
5. Dogged stubbornness brought on by the idea that "I didn't come to this conclusion by an emotional fit, I came to a rational well thought-out conclusion". This being done under the more fundamental issue noted in #4
6. A poor "spiritual/emotional" relationship with the topic under discussion brought on by personal observation(school/real world) of that topic. While the rationalization serves as justification for the stated position; the spiritual relationship mediates which rationalization was stated in the first place.

RandomAfricanAm: Two major vectors of foreign cultural attack...

1. Media(music, movies, TV shows, websites, sports)
2. Returnees from the Diaspora(People associate the status of these people not merely with application of education; but also with hairstyles, speech, clothing, etc)
**I should also add the vestiges of the old colonial education system that's still in place**

Note: number 2 is the vector I have the most issue with concerning these self hating people. The most ironic display being the ones who complain about "backward superstitious people" who then basically attempt to devour other peoples culture in a bid to be like (insert perceived quality here). what makes that ironic is they are employing the same logic as a person killing a lion and devouring it's flesh in a bid to be like (insert perceived quality here). It's the same line of logic except concerning a different entity.

Note 2: Colonization provides the gapping hole for those cultural mores to take a stronger hold then they normally would otherwise. The self haters also seem to believe that the fact that the colonial period(that only lasted 50ish years ...spain was occupied for 800) occurred is a rationalization for their cultural "betrayal".

RandomAfricanAm: That sh*t is sad man. sad
The worse part is that they feel like they are being "realistic" "responsible" "progressive" or my personal favorite "civilized"(even though they completely miss the keyword *civil*) Automation & mechanization does not equal civilization; Automized & mechanized barbarians are still practicing barbarism. Simply put mechanized barbarism is still barbarism.

Neutral Example: When the tent dwelling, spear chucking, horse riding Mongolians sacked and overran china they were barbarians being barbarous. When the mansion/castle dwelling, rifle/cannon shooting, galleon/wagon riding Europeans sacked and overran china they were also barbarians being barbarous.

Self haters conveniently skip that and other episodes in world history nor do they dare say they the fact that china was overrun by a pack of tent dwellers on horse back means that they should stop city planning, administrative practices, civil engineering projects, etc. and accept the superior tent dwelling "civilization" that was obviously justified by chinas round defeat and occupation by Mongolians. Nor do they say that the Japanese should give up their Shinto tree, rock, etc spirits and become "civilized"(or in self hater language "industrialized", "mechanized", & "automized" ...which is what they really mean when they say "civilized"wink

As concerns my ideas surrounding African spirituality I suggest you checkout my reply on the second page of...
https://www.nairaland.com/1554976/whats-literal-translation-north-south/1


As I like to say...
1. Freedom is a necessity but not enough. Choices are predicated on what you know at the time of calculating a decision. If I control what you know I control the range of your possible choices.
2. Knowledge is a necessity but not enough. Knowledge derives it's usefulness from being processed when calculating a decision. The smaller the range of process you are capable of carrying out the less you can do with what you know.
3. Processing(intelligence) is a necessity but not enough. There are a series of Processes done in executing a plan. If you have no plan your interests are subject to those who do have a plan. Be that in using your ability to process knowledge to further their plans(not yours) or simply by your interests being displaced in the execution of their plans.
4. Plans are a necessity but not enough. Plans are simply a means to accomplishing a goal. If you have no goals in life your interests are subject to those who do have a goal. Be that in using your ability to plan and/or process knowledge to further their goals(not yours) or simply by your interests being displaced in the execution of their goals.
5. There are more but I can successfully reply without stating the rest


While I commend the Self haters for wanting better for themselves and Africa as a whole.

I question...
1.The range of knowledge they have at there disposal when coming to their stated positions
2.The range of processes they were able to employ on that knowledge.(Which led to their inability to make historically consistent positions)
3.The extent to which their self hate surrounding colonization impedes absorption, development, & execution of new knowledge and processes.

traware: I'm aware in the 1970s and 80s,the Nigerian federal Government tried to create links with Caribbean nations but that idea tailed off in the 90s.Since then,I believe both sides have just inevitably drifted apart

traware: I am Nigerian and yes,I do study other Black communities around the globe.Jamaicans seem to be good in music and .....I no wan vex pesin this night.All I know is being a 'shotta boy' and 'go-go girl' leads nowhere but to the ground.[b]Nigerians generally believe other Black people in the world are harsh and aggressive. And should be avoided.So I have no idea how this 'knowledge sharing' can occur.[/b]Still waiting for the songs and artistes

all4naija: There is need to do away with barbarism in Nigeria. We have to move forward as a people and stop going backward all in the name of boring culture. Culture evolves, my friend!

traware: Sir,take it easy.The Caribbean isn't perfect either...neither is Jamaica.Anyway,that isn't why I'm here.As an authentic Jamaican,I would like you to list the best dance-hall music artiste and their songs for me.The ones like Vybz Kartel who sing very explicit songs(No questions.I'm carrying out a research)

"Relations at Benin followed a similar pattern, though Europeans there were even more subordinate since the powerful kingdom did not permit them to erect any outposts on its territory. For their part, Europeans were impressed with Benin not just because of the commercial possibilities of the kingdom's pepper (Piper guineense), its cotton textiles, and its ivory, but also because of its striking capital city, its large palace complex, and its artisans' great skill. Many sixteenth- and seventeenth-century visitors commented extensively on Benin's capital city, which was surrounded by a massive earthen wall five or six miles in circumference and pierced at intervals by large gates fashioned from the trunk of a single tree. From the gates, broad streets ran in straight lines across the city, intersecting at right angles. Dutch accounts deemed the thirty main streets to be as wide as the great avenues of Amsterdam, Within the city, houses of ordinary citizens had earthen walls and thatched roofs, which European observers considered airy and very pleasant. Their walls and floors were polished "as smooth and as even as any plastered wall in Holland and as shining as a looking-glass." 13

koyyes: Sorry I didn't bother reading this pile of crap. However, I do sense some really deep inferiority complex and low self esteem.

The day you quote something reasonable- just one from a book written by an african author that is deep into his roots(not a descendant of an african slave), then I'll start taking you seriously.

But till then, you are a complete sell out, a guy so desperate to have a sense of belonging in the african society that he despises and doesn't want to live in,

he doesn't even know how to go about it except rely on re edited books written by the white man on ancient africa

"Relations at Benin followed a similar pattern, though Europeans there were even more subordinate since the powerful kingdom did not permit them to erect any outposts on its territory. For their part, Europeans were impressed with Benin not just because of the commercial possibilities of the kingdom's pepper (Piper guineense), its cotton textiles, and its ivory, but also because of its striking capital city, its large palace complex, and its artisans' great skill. Many sixteenth- and seventeenth-century visitors commented extensively on Benin's capital city, which was surrounded by a massive earthen wall five or six miles in circumference and pierced at intervals by large gates fashioned from the trunk of a single tree. From the gates, broad streets ran in straight lines across the city, intersecting at right angles. Dutch accounts deemed the thirty main streets to be as wide as the great avenues of Amsterdam, Within the city, houses of ordinary citizens had earthen walls and thatched roofs, which European observers considered airy and very pleasant. Their walls and floors were polished "as smooth and as even as any plastered wall in Holland and as shining as a looking-glass." 13

that he knows nothing about and argue with people on the net to elevate his low self esteem.

Its not my fault you are confused about which part of africa you come from that's why your points are always contradicting.

Don't take it out on we African Dwellers today - we have our issues but we all know where we come from and are not LOST like you so we don't have to prove anything. GO HOME and seek the answers you need because you are obviously confused.

koyyes: oh, so you can stand for the chinese and say that they haven't been influenced by the western world even when it is glaring for all to see but you can't say same for Africa?

looool. Then what are you doing here on nairaland (created by someone using western technology to make good cash)

exchanging words in ENGLISH with people?

You should be busy slaving for the whites like a hopeless coward as you've decided within you to do so. Ioooool. I'm very happy I've been able to expose the real person you are on this thread.

Pro african culture my as#! Even with your hatred for us,at least you identified us with a name- NIGERIANS!

But where are you from- Caribbean?

please, don't make me laugh! Anyways, I feel your pain, its not easy being called racist and demeaning names without taking it out on the 'free borns'.

Take heart, and say hi to your master when you get to work. You want to see an ancient africa in 2014? Loooooooooooool! Its either you've been on cheap drugs for years or you are a confirmed reeeetard!

koyyes: look who's talking. A brainwashed tool that cannot even live with his Caribbean brothers/sisters. Always runs back to the white man's land after brief visits. Just shut the fvck up!

all4naija: Good percentage of African culture is barbarism.

Damyion: The issue of corporal punishment has been a solid ground for arguements among cultural moralists all over the world. Be that as it may, it remains an option for african parents up till date. The expression, 'Spare the rod, spoil the child.' has been the anthem in most homes. This is not limited to blacks living in europe and other parts of the world.
However, from another perspective, it seems ridiculous to pick a cane and hit a child with it. Some even go to the extreme, using broken bottles, pressing irons and pretty much anything they can lay their hands on. Some believe a child should be talked to, not beaten.
This is not an issue of whether it is right or wrong, it's a matter of wondering if this will still[b] remain part of a culture that seems to be fading away with the winds of time and civilization[/b]...

all4naija: Oh! Shut the f**k up, you i d i o t!

koyyes: buhahahahahahah! Now I see you've been brainwashed! You obviously attended the 'special needs' pre school were gullible retards like you were constantly taught nonsense. Awwwww,I feel for you. Really, I do!

koyyes: Rants the being who doesn't understand the meaning of 'western influence'.

all4naija: You are a breed not me! Jeez! Are you insane or what?

koyyes: That looks more like you when all other african's are aware about their african heritage. loooooool. Funny how you describe your 'state' so well. You are making progress!

koyyes: Seriously, you need me to post links or a book authors to prove facts about the slave trade? Wonderful! That's like telling me to prove that you are a fool! What gives? Sorry, not possible!

koyyes: LIES! LIES! LIES! You shouldn't have wasted your time on this empty epistle. You were almost right about your last statement but as usual, you had to...https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05_04/035ostrich_468x538.jpg

TerryCarr: the Chinese gov is killing there culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VITZ-Oyy9Os

but it still lives on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK4raZ2XU7M&list=UU-75WOSwKtvzlY3USMYYFBg

koyyes: Why would they respond? All I've said has an element of truth. They are probably looking at you as someone who is soooo foolish to even argue with me. You are so daft!gosh, who told you I'm raging? I'm having a blast so speak for yourself. Be the lunatic by arguing over and over and over again with me. Let's go mofo!

koyyes: buhahahahahahahhahah! Omg, I said it! It was only a matter of time before we all here got to know the clown that you are! You come here pretending to promote african culture but all you've succeeded in doing is making a total fool of yourself.

Expressing your hate towards Nigerians because of matters you know nothing about. Don't even dare compare yourself with africa's heroes because that would just be like insulting the African race. Educated and exposed my foot!

I guess I'm suppose to be praising my ancestors for allowing slave trade to occur despite the advancement they attained as at then. pftttttttt!!

You sound like a broken record.

And I feel sorry for the people here that have read and believed the bunch of lies you've spewed here or were you expecting me to believe your vomit?

You expect me to read links

- me, a dweller in my own home with history all around me and books to read about my history as a nigerian?

Loooool, you know what? Change that your name from kingston to slaveston. Before you pray to your gods, try to print out this pic below and make a poster of it. Use it to worship your ancestors day and night for making you a refugee in a foreign land!

koyyes: Just admit it- you have no recommendation because you lack pure knowledge and can't even comprehend the information in the links you've pasted here. Sad though!

koyyes: @ op, you are absolutely right about your observation. I think every thing has do to with the inherited ancient african attitude which grew into a culture.

RandomAfricanAm: @kingston277
Thumbs up to you. That said you are going to run into the same problems with the self haters over and over. Typical broad issues are...
1. The attempt of translating African ideas/institutions into incompatible European intellectual containers.
2. A poor(lopsided) grasp of the general history of Humans and their activity through time.
3. A poor ability to process historical knowledge of Human activity through time to make insightful descriptions of todays society.
4. Misguided rationalizations exacerbated by issues #1-3 above.
5. Dogged stubbornness brought on by the idea that "I didn't come to this conclusion by an emotional fit, I came to a rational well thought-out conclusion". This being done under the more fundamental issue noted in #4
6. A poor "spiritual/emotional" relationship with the topic under discussion brought on by personal observation(school/real world) of that topic. While the rationalization serves as justification for the stated position; the spiritual relationship mediates which rationalization was stated in the first place.

African's do not believe in equality- and when I say equality, I'm not primarily talking about gender equality. I'm referring to that between every free born individual.

A typical African believes in slavery and sole power/authority. He/ she does not believe that a good leader is actually a 'servant' of the people.

African democracies: Although the political system of Buganda was based on kingship, it was apparently a representative monarchy in which parliament and the prime minister not only ensured representation according to the concept of modern democracy but also limited the powers of the king to avoid tyranny. Commentators on African indigenous systems usually ignore these in-built democratic values of representation and checks and balances that forestalled tyranny as well as ensured the participation of the people in government. While the Buganda system might easily be dismissed as undemocratic by Western political theorists, they would have no qualms in applauding the British monarchical structure as an ideal form of democracy. The reasons for this premeditated contradiction and hypocrisy can be placed squarely on the concept of the civilizing mission, the white man’s burden, and the argumentation put forward in the subsequent session.

That's why our so called leaders don't give a damn about the educational system and speedy economic development. They rather encourage poverty, unemployment, prostitution and brain drain( individuals with potentials finding opportunities abroad than at home which I see as modern day slavery) to prevent people from becoming empowered so they can remain in servitude to them. This attitude isn't just found among political leaders, it is every where, everyone wants to dominate- men, women ,even children(if you've ever attended a boarding school). We really need to change!!!

koyyes: I never used the 'word' unrecognizable! Stop exergerating to prove your point!If their clothing today doesn't depict some level of western influence to you, then that's your cup of tea!