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koyyes: And has he given any suggestion/recommendation to africa's current problem? Is migration the answer?

Since you are hell bent on your unfounded opinions. How could I make suggestions that I could expect you to pay any attention to?
The links are non-debatable by historians and make you look silly.

koyyes: oh, but its okay for you to be arrogant and ignorant about basically everything. Your narrow mindedness is appalling. Sounding more like a bigot now. What else should we know about the canadian wanabe? oh, but its okay for you to be arrogant and ignorant about basically everything. Your narrow mindedness is appalling. Sounding more like a bigot now. What else should we know about the canadian wanabe?

It gets funnier every time. Still waiting for your peer-reviewed sources to back up your claims.

koyyes: And who told you I skipped Saudi Arabia, did I not say in my earlier post that the arabians have one language and one religion-Islam that makes it easier for them to stick to their dressing and islamic culture regardless of their technological advancements? Can you compare them to africa or nigeria?It seems you have issues communicating effectively and comprehending points simply because you have differing opinions. Call it baseless-I DON'T CARE! Regarding western influence on china, I don't have video links because I'm encouraging you to read more. If you like, call these articles baseless. loooool. www.echinacities.com/expat-corner/A-More-Western-China-4-Areas-Where-the-West-Has-Impacted-China www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/world-jan-june12-china_02-13/

What difference does that make? It's about Saudi Arabia vs. the West. Who cares if they borrow clothes from neighbours, that wasn't even in your argument.
And those links tell us nothing about western influence in China. Again, borrowing inventions and restaurant chains do not constitute being influenced. China just finished banning western video game consoles and television, So I don't think chowing down on Mcfries is going to transform them in something unrecognizable to traditionalists. Thats if they even change at all.

It seems you want the last word on this rubbish. I know I will not convince you as you have failed to read any of my provided links before proceeding to rage, or consider anything I said. Not to mention you have failed to provide any scholarly sources to back up your original claims. I will at least make this a lesson to encourage readers to go to their local library/university for accurate information on culture/history, not the eurocentric fairy-tales that was to them in school, on the street, or in the biased Nigerian media.

koyyes: Bull shit! All that doesn't count. I said relocate ,feel the heat,and make your contributions directly, then your so called contributions can be acknowledged.

Doing the above isn't contributing directly? It's called education, Koyyes. It can be acquired anywhere and can work wonders for a country, we live in the internet age.
So Adefunmi, Cheikh anta Diop, Van Sertima, Marcus Garvey, Saki Mafundikwa, Henry Odera Oruka etc are not contributing because they lived and did their work outside of Africa? They exposed eurocentrism, helped restore a portion of pre-colonial education back to the people, promoted African religion and culture, popularized indigenous writing systems, made African history available for all through books, and did this all without forking over 1 cent for a house in Africa. And without them, you would not have any knowledge of the slave trade what so ever. What have continental Africans contributed that matches that of these great people. Are you not aware that they were/are transforming Africa from the arm chairs of the West and several more contributions are still being made. In fact, neo-imperialism is being conducted from the armchairs of western elites. You really shouldn't be arguing in topics you have no knowledge in.

It's funny you had to mention neo imperialism which has absolutely nothing to do with what I mentioned except you meant slavery!

Next time pay attention to the context I used that in.

There are elites who do business abroad and make sure part of the revenue are invested in their home land- those are the only people I respect and the last time I checked, china products are not produced in africa.

Your point was that I wasn't being anti-West/pro-African by using western products which I debunked. Being made elsewhere is irrelevant to your argument because It was never about Africa vs. China. China is irrelevant as they are not the ones contributing to the underdevelopment like the West is.

You just don't take pride in any product that is purely african.

Oh yes I can and am already!

You need to know my contributions? I won't give you details, but I'll tell you this-First of all I use my african name as my profile unlike you bearing a white man's name as your profile.

You don't know Kingston? As in Kingston, Jamaica? The birthplace of my mother and one of the most famous cities in the Caribbean?
Not exactly my fault the city was named that but you can ask the government over there why they kept that name.

I will never think of abandoning my roots to the white man's land unlike you simply because of the issues we've got.

Double fail
1. My parents moved here, not me. However I have stay during the winter months on my family owned property and gotten to know the good and the bad there.
2. Did you not check the background Africa's heros? The likes of Kwame Nkrumah and Saki Mafundikwa lived and worked in the West while still contributing far more to their home countries than you have.

I promote my very own cultural meals unlike you.

How do you know I don't promote my own cutural meals? Did I indicate that somewhere in my previous posts?

I've got love for africa- TOUGH LOVE and will say things the way they are even if doesn't sit well with people like you, I promote the good and reject the bad unlike you that promotes both good and bad-after all, what do you stand to lose? You are seeking refuge in the white man's land!

Sorry, but fabricating history and throwing blame for today's issues caused by both colonialism and you and your lazy, like-minded countrymen on your(and my) hardworking forefathers who fought tooth and nail to preserve the kingdoms they governed and commenced high-productivity projects to generate wealth for the economy is not love, that is called being irresponsible. the fact that Nigerians can't take responsibility for their mistakes and would rather blame it on someones Grandpa in the 19th century says alot about your level of development. Our forefathers worked wonders, establishing human rights, organizing agricultural and metallurgy projects, openness to adopting any kind of knowledge that would in-turn help them advance further than they already spent the millennia doing. Please learn to stop turning up your nose to foreword thinking people, then maybe you will see improvements.

koyyes: omg! You lack comprehension I must tell you. Why don't you move to the caribbean or africa rather than claiming canadian citizen for us to believe everything you say?

Why are you repeating what I said? I am fully aware of the conditions in the country I descended from and have property in, but it seems you don't, which is why I recommended you to live there for a while to see for yourself.

Or do they have their invisible chains around you? This is someone siting on the whiteman's chair,

made in China.

eating their food,

From South Africa.

working his butt for them,

Who isn't. Haven't you heard of neo-imperialism?

contributing to their national GDP

As long as you continue exporting your precious oil, you are too.

and using their inventions to type nonsense to me.

Also made in China. But if I wanted to, I could order the Way-C tablet made in the Congo.

For real?What have you done to help in the achievement of the continent you came from today? You are living in a world of denial!

Uh -_-
I have started a thread promoting sea-faring achievements
https://www.nairaland.com/1796503/traditional-african-boat-designs
Have made a thread highlighting developmental suggestions
https://www.nairaland.com/1796388/tradition-progress
Made an attempt to reduce the need for archaeology and and make African history more accessible.
https://www.nairaland.com/1796753/anybody-know-elderly-people-born
Have contributed to the writing systems thread.
https://www.nairaland.com/189030/african-script
And as demonstrated on this thread. Promoting images of pre-colonial life to help get people interested an motivate them to catch up and surpass the abilities of their forefathers. An several others have been contributing with me too like fulaman.

Now what have you done to help the continent you descend from?
Spreading non-peer reviewed opinions doesn't count.

TerryCarr: your not gonna cross the Atlantic in a boat that big & there world be no reason too.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Atlantic_Ocean_-_en.png

plus it is probably a fishing boat or a river boat

They have made the trip to Spain and the Canaries several times before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXU28K1gTpc
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1540084/Canary-Islands-illegal-immigrants-heading-here-Home-Office-memo-warns.html
Visitors in the 19th century confirmed they are sea-faring vessels
https://www.nairaland.com/1796503/traditional-african-boat-designs
Heck, the Oba of Benin even used to sail to the Kongo for meetings.

pickabeau1: Not speaking for anyone....
Generally the afro centrics on NL tend to be very rude and have a superiority complex

Some are, due to the wild achievement claims they believe in, while others just don't like people insulting their forefathers especially if they have built advanced civilizations.

In africa people r all trying to eat.. culture comes second

Culture is an integral way of development. I'm sure the pic of those kids I posted would love to live in those houses and eat the abundance of food they have.

all4naija: Hahaha...I am the best that has ever happened to black people.

True...Everybody loves half-breeds

TerryCarr: but thats east Africa it more sense since you're at the world trade routes. while it west africa it was rivers
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Map_of_River_Niger.svg/550px-Map_of_River_Niger.svg.png

Those are sierra leone pictures.

all4naija: They are all ugly and look primitive!

Probably like you behind that computer screen.

Empressgifted: ewwwww! Thank God for civilization, though such things still happen now at least people have the right to protest against such inhumane treatment.
Chai! A woman for that matter and people are still naming their daughters after her "Amina".
If the mothers' of these abducted chibok girl were to be like Amina, boko haram could have been history.

Funny they didn't protest then since after all, she lived in a civilization.

koyyes: I don't expect you to see any sense in the point(s) I've made. When you stop being a hypocrite and have relocated from the white man's land to africa for a reasonable number of years, then we can talk. But right now, you are the one making baseless and stupid comments on matters that you know nothing about or how has that pic got anything to do with the subject matter? Don't ever quote me again,Nosy foreigner!

-_-
Move to the Caribbean then if you still don't believe me.

When you stop talking down the achievements of my forefathers like you are significant or something, then the beef will cease.

morpheus24: @ poster.

The author of the articleis very much right but unfortunately AA have been severly brainwashed to believe that their immediate ancestors contributed nothing to modern or western civilization, therefore they are of no relevance.

This brainwash goes so deep that some groups of AA's that call themselved Black hebrew israelites claim to be non desecneded from Africans but of tribes that existed in and around egypt, despite the fact that a simple DNA test could determine their West.central African origins.

All I can say is SHame!

The scope of this mentality goes beyond AAs unfortunately. It's sad that African civilization is now little more than stories in a history book.

pickabeau1: Seems you guys have some past beef

Not at all, never met him before. In fact I question how often he speaks to others like this on NL. The guy needs some home training from an ifa priest.

koyyes: Exactly! the chinese for example still value their culture and language even though they've embraced immense development that depicts a reasonable level of western influence.

Development simply means adopting of technologies. Thats like saying the Greeks adopted Sumerian culture because the wheel came from Sumer.

I will simply ignore the rest of your baseless comments but would like to seek evidence of this "reasonable" level of western influence the Chinese allegedly possess. I noticed you skipped over Saudi Arabia too because you're well aware everything they do is Arab.

koyyes: If I need to do any research, I would rather do that from the source which is where the culture sprang from- NIGERIA and not from some yoruba wannabes who obviously play 'nollywood' and don't practice every thing the real yoruba's do here.

You dare call Adefunmi a wannabe? Maybe you don't like reading links that directly answer your questions, but others reading this thread need the information to help make their personal, educated decisions. So I will keep posting regardless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adefunmi

As someone living in a civilized country, learn how to respect people's opinions on matters especially those that don't concern you. keep your link to yourself because you obviously need it more. Don't ever quote me on any other thread like you just did!!! If you need to prove more baseless points, relocate to any african country and live there for a good number of years, then you'll earn the right to make any suggestions or recommendation.

I have traveled enough thank you very much. And if you think the situation in the Caribbean is different than in Africa, then you seriously need a wake-up call because shouldn't be talking down on your fellow African descendants. The imf/cia are on our governments backs too and were responsible for the downfall of the Haitian power, so I really don't appreciate your condescending tone. Plus it doesn't help your cause or ours by portraying your continent as a charity-case the way you've been going on, we all have the power to improve.

koyyes: @ op, you are absolutely right about your observation. I think every thing has do to with the inherited ancient african attitude which grew into a culture. African's do not believe in equality- and when I say equality, I'm not primarily talking about gender equality. I'm referring to that between every free born individual. A typical African believes in slavery and sole power/authority. He/ she does not believe that a good leader is actually a 'servant' of the people. That's why our so called leaders don't give a damn about the educational system and speedy economic development. They rather encourage poverty, unemployment, prostitution and brain drain( individuals with potentials finding opportunities abroad than at home which I see as modern day slavery) to prevent people from becoming empowered so they can remain in servitude to them. This attitude isn't just found among political leaders, it is every where, everyone wants to dominate- men, women ,even children(if you've ever attended a boarding school). We really need to change!!!

Still spouting baseless info are you, huh? Please provide proof that the crab mentality is ancient African culture because that kind of mentality/social inequality cannot achieve this
https://i.imgur.com/gKuKI2T.jpg?2
How often do you see this level of stability in Nigeria?

pickabeau1: What's the point of the pics

For the same reason no-one has answered your question.

pickabeau1: Not sure u been following the discussion



I asked a question n no one has answered

At what point is the change of the sub components can a culture be deemed changed

Answer this

Think about it for a second...what aspects do you think this culture changed to end up going from this
https://i.imgur.com/ERIeZwv.png?2
to this
https://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/07/12/art.wv.ghana1.jpg

TerryCarr: the Olmecs were a stone age native civilization & Africans are iron age but anyway the viking were not "primitive"
https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/9456/2390113-viking_soldiers.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G53no4LqsAw

Africans built ships like that all the time...
https://www.holiday-savers.com/cms/global/assets/images/destinations/770x204-sailing-pirogue-90975494.jpg
https://www.africanaheritage.com/priscilla/graphics/journal/AddGeneralColorfulBoat.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sungbo%27s_Eredo

Sungbo's Eredo is a rampart or system of walls and ditches that is located to the south-west of the Yoruba town of Ijebu-Ode in Ogun state, southwest Nigeria (6.78700°N 3.87488°E). It was built in honour of the Ijebu noblewoman Oloye Bilikisu Sungbo, and is reputed to be the largest single pre-colonial monument in Africa.

Description

Total length of fortifications is more than 160 kilometres (99 mi). Fortifications consist of a ditch with unusually smooth walls and bank in the inner side of ditch. The height difference between the bottom of the ditch and the upper rim of the bank on the inner side can reach 20 metres (66 ft). Works have been performed in laterite, a typical African soil consisting of clay and iron oxides. Ditch forms an uneven ring around the area of ancient Ijebu state, an area approximately 40 kilometres (25 mi) wide in north-south, with the walls flanked by trees and other vegetation, turning the ditch into green tunnel. As a construction project, it required more earth to be moved than the Great Pyramid of Giza, Egypt.

https://www.manswersonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/sungboeredo1.jpg
Eredo Earthworks


History

The Eredo served a defensive purpose when it was built in 800–1000 AD, a period of political confrontation and consolidation in the southern Nigerian rainforest. It was likely to have been inspired by the same process that led to the construction of similar walls and ditches throughout western Nigeria, including earthworks around Ile-Ife, Ilesa, and the Benin Iya, a 6,500 kilometres (4,000 mi) series of connected but separate earthworks in the neighboring Edo-speaking region.

Sungbo's Eredo has also been connected with the legend of the Queen of Sheba which is recounted in both the Bible and Koran. In the Old Testament, she is described as having sent a caravan of gold, ivory and other goods from her kingdom to King Solomon. In the Koran she is an Ethiopian sun worshiper named Bilqis involved in the incense trade who converts to Islam. Legends of the contemporary Ijebu clan link the Eredo to this fabled woman, a wealthy, childless widow who they know as Bilikisu Sungbo. According to them, the monument was built as her personal memorial. In addition to this, her grave is believed to be located in Oke-Eiri, a town in a Muslim area just north of the Eredo. Pilgrims of Christian, Muslim and traditional African religions annually trek to this holy site in tribute to her.

It is believed that the Eredo was a means of unifying an area of diverse communities into a single kingdom. It seems that the builders of these fortifications deliberately tried to reach groundwater or clay to create a swampy bottom for the ditch. If this could be achieved in shallow depth, builders stopped, even if only at the depth of 1 meter. In some places small, conical idol statues had been placed on the bottom of the ditch.

The impressive size and complex construction of the Eredo drew worldwide media attention in September 1999 when Dr Patrick Darling, a British archaeologist then with the University of Bournemouth, surveyed the site and began publicizing his bid to preserve the Eredo and bring the site some prominence. Previously, the Eredo had been little-known outside of the small community of residents and specialists in Yoruba history. Forty years passed between Professor Peter Lloyd's publication of his analysis of the site and that of Darling, but it still served to necessitate a complete rethinking of West Africa's past.

carefreewannabe: This paragraph contains subjective judgement. When the author of the article was young and naive, he was liberal but when he grew older and wiser, he became more "conservative".

If you were more educated on the social situation of where he resides, you'd know that he is paraphrasing his society who placed his personal beliefs at the time under those labels, like placing ideas in boxes where he says they don't fit, hence the quotes. Where he lives, liberalism is viewed as "naive" while conservatism is considered "wise". Why does he tell us he was against the traditional liberal beliefs of the old being bad when he was young/"liberal" and the new being bad when he was older/"conservative" if he is opinionated? You seriously can't deduce that your quote and his said perceptions of old and new contradict each other, signaling that he can't possibly view one as more "wise" than the other?

I couldn't agree more but people will argue what to preserve and what to change.

That still doesn't change the fact that the given society must choose where they want to progress to.
e.g Why do you want to preserve/change this practice? Is there goal you have set for your society?

In which country and in which age?

Check the politics section if you're having trouble.

It was wrong to claim that progressivism is based on the belief of a future utopia and it is likewise wrong to claim that feminists and environmentalists believe in utopias.

Sorry to say, but he is correct. Many people with agendas are obviously attempting to "progress" society to something which in most eyes of humans with agendas happens to be a utopia. Think about the major religions for a second, are they not trying to "progress" to a global utopia?

I will stop here because it is obvious that there are too many wrong assumptions in the basis of the article, which disqualifies the rest of it.

This post is full of so much hypocrisy that I am truly worried that you might become what you claim to fear. So he paraphrases the collective views of the society he lives in and you are bashing him for being subjective, while he states a well known fact that conservatives are typically against change while liberals want a rapid, dynamic society? The entire purpose of his article is to balance those views to show that they are complementary rather than polar opposites, in NL speak, tradition and progress. If you are seeing a social diagnosis as judgment, especially when the writer intends to eliminate conflict between the two ideals, then something is wrong with your credibility, not his. So I suggest you review the article and then post.

carefreewannabe: This paragraph contains subjective judgement. When the author of the article was young and naive, he was liberal but when he grew older and wiser, he became more "conservative".

If you were more educated on the social situation of where he resides, you'd know that he is paraphrasing his society who placed his personal beliefs under those labels, hence the quotes. Where he lives liberalism is viewed as "naive" while conservatism is considered "wise". Why does he tell us he was against the traditional liberal beliefs of old being bad when he was young and new being bad when he was older and conservative if he is opinionated? You seriously can't deduce that your quote and his said perceptions of old and new contradict each other?

I couldn't agree more but people will argue what to preserve and what to change.

That still doesn't change the fact that the given society must choose where they want to progress to.
e.g Why do you want to preserve/change this practice? Is there goal you have set for your society?

In which country and in which age?

Check the politics section if you're having trouble.

It was wrong to claim that progressivism is based on the belief of a future utopia and it is likewise wrong to claim that feminists and environmentalists believe in utopias.

Sorry to say, but he is correct. Many people with agendas are obviously attempting to "progress" society to something which in most eyes of humans with agendas happens to be a utopia. Think about the major religions for a second, are they not trying to "progress" to a global utopia?

I will stop here because it is obvious that there are too many wrong assumptions in the basis of the article, which disqualifies the rest of it.

This post is full of so much hypocrisy that I am truly worried that you might become what you claim to fear. So he paraphrases the collective views of the society he lives in and you are bashing him for being subjective, while he states a well known fact that conservatives are typically against change while liberals want a rapid, dynamic society. The entire purpose of his article is to balance those views to show that they are complementary rather than polar opposites, in NL speak, tradition and progress. If you see a social diagnosis as a judgment, especially when the writer intends to eliminate conflict between the two ideals, then something is wrong with your credibility, not his. So I suggest you review the article and then post.

carefreewannabe: This paragraph contains subjective judgement. When the author of the article was young and naive, he was liberal but when he grew older and wiser, he became more "conservative".

If you were more educated on the social situation of where he resides, you'd know that he is paraphrasing his society who placed his personal beliefs under those labels, hence the quotes. Where he lives liberalism is viewed as "naive" while conservatism is considered "wise". Why does he tell us he was against the traditional liberal beliefs of old being bad when he was young and new being bad when he was older and conservative if he is opinionated? You seriously can't deduce that your quote and his said perceptions of old and new contradict each other?

I couldn't agree more but people will argue what to preserve and what to change.

That still doesn't change the fact that the given society must choose where they want to progress to.
e.g Why do you want to preserve/change this practice? Is there goal you have set for your society?

In which country and in which age?

Check the politics section if you're having trouble.

It was wrong to claim that progressivism is based on the belief of a future utopia and it is likewise wrong to claim that feminists and environmentalists believe in utopias.

Sorry to say, but he is correct. Many people with agendas are obviously attempting to "progress" society to something which in most eyes of humans with agendas happens to be a utopia. Think about the major religions for a second, are they not trying to "progress" to a global utopia?

I will stop here because it is obvious that there are too many wrong assumptions in the basis of the article, which disqualifies the rest of it.

This post is full of so much hypocrisy that I am truly worried that you might become what you claim to fear. So he paraphrases the collective views of the society he lives in and you are bashing him for being subjective, while he states a well known fact that conservatives are typically against change while liberals want a rapid, dynamic society. The entire purpose of his article is to balance those views to show that they are complementary rather than polar opposites, in NL speak, tradition and progress. If you are seeing a social diagnosis as a judgment, especially when the writer intends to eliminate conflict between the two ideals, then something is wrong with your credibility, not his. So I suggest you review the article and then post.

all4naija: The quoted part above is the part that captured my attention the most. The moment we ignore progress from a perspective of moving humanity forward and brazing for the future the moment we start dying away gradually. That means the past or tradition we are so much ingrained in will gradually be useless to the time.

But, he says...

Karl Jahn: Now, "progress" must have a particular direction, which is itself a matter of debate. There are different kinds of "progressives": nowadays, there are liberals and libertarians. Liberals want to "progress" towards an all-powerful government; libertarians want to "progress" towards anarchy. The good news is that "progress" is indeterminate: we are free to decide for ourselves what it means -- what we want to progress towards. We can re-examine the idea of "progress" and redefine it as the continuation and enlargement of our inherited culture, rather than its contradiction and destruction.

And...

Karl Jahn: On the other hand, tradition and order are needed to consolidate and preserve past accomplishments. Innovations are only enduring when integrated into an established order. No matter how desirable any reform may be, the preservation of social order and the rule of law must always have greater priority. Given this basic stability and continuity, one may effect gradual and prudent reforms, as necessary.

all4naija: There are a lot of things I disagree with in the write-up. I think the writer is from the age past and have no idea of the workings of the modern world that much would be required as necessity to get beyond earth we are so much imprisoned to.

Um...The bottom of the article states its was only written in 1999, maybe if you consider 1999 a different age from 2014, then thats just you.
Give one example of a societal aspect that has changed drastically since then.

all4naija: The opinion is so much on the morality of society than the progress based on acquisition and looking to the future.

There is lot missing in this whole idea the writer presented.

Thank you.

Karl Jahn is well educated and well versed in this subject, far more than you. that is why you separate morality from looking into the furture when they go hand in hand when it comes to progress
Read this from another well educated man if you don't understand:

RandomAfricanAm: That sh*t is sad man. sad
The worse part is that they feel like they are being "realistic" "responsible" "progressive" or my personal favorite "civilized"(even though they completely miss the keyword *civil*) Automation & mechanization does not equal civilization; Automized & mechanized barbarians are still practicing barbarism. Simply put mechanized barbarism is still barbarism.

Neutral Example: When the tent dwelling, spear chucking, horse riding Mongolians sacked and overran china they were barbarians being barbarous. When the mansion/castle dwelling, rifle/cannon shooting, galleon/wagon riding Europeans sacked and overran china they were also barbarians being barbarous.

Self haters conveniently skip that and other episodes in world history nor do they dare say they the fact that china was overrun by a pack of tent dwellers on horse back means that they should stop city planning, administrative practices, civil engineering projects, etc. and accept the superior tent dwelling "civilization" that was obviously justified by chinas round defeat and occupation by Mongolians. Nor do they say that the Japanese should give up their Shinto tree, rock, etc spirits and become "civilized"(or in self hater language "industrialized", "mechanized", & "automized" ...which is what they really mean when they say "civilized"wink

As concerns my ideas surrounding African spirituality I suggest you checkout my reply on the second page of...
https://www.nairaland.com/1554976/whats-literal-translation-north-south/1


As I like to say...
1. Freedom is a necessity but not enough. Choices are predicated on what you know at the time of calculating a decision. If I control what you know I control the range of your possible choices.
2. Knowledge is a necessity but not enough. Knowledge derives it's usefulness from being processed when calculating a decision. The smaller the range of process you are capable of carrying out the less you can do with what you know.
3. Processing(intelligence) is a necessity but not enough. There are a series of Processes done in executing a plan. If you have no plan your interests are subject to those who do have a plan. Be that in using your ability to process knowledge to further their plans(not yours) or simply by your interests being displaced in the execution of their plans.
4. Plans are a necessity but not enough. Plans are simply a means to accomplishing a goal. If you have no goals in life your interests are subject to those who do have a goal. Be that in using your ability to plan and/or process knowledge to further their goals(not yours) or simply by your interests being displaced in the execution of their goals.
5. There are more but I can successfully reply without stating the rest


While I commend the Self haters for wanting better for themselves and Africa as a whole.

I question...
1.The range of knowledge they have at there disposal when coming to their stated positions
2.The range of processes they were able to employ on that knowledge.(Which led to their inability to make historically consistent positions)
3.The extent to which their self hate surrounding colonization impedes absorption, development, & execution of new knowledge and processes.

Is that what you want? To become a mechanized barbarian?

all4naija: Lol... The same part the writer makes blatant error based on his view using it to see the others on the same foot!

I'm not sure if its your eurocentric social conditioning or the fact that you are reported to be mixed, and with that, believe that gives you superiority over people of African stock and their culture no matter how much more it has achieved than yours. I'm sure that is why you're always criticizing developmental recommendations that don't glorify the influence of your western cronies. I'll leave you to your opinion but will let you know that what the writer says has been parroted several times before by historian/culture/social analysts, traditionalists, etc and has been proven by the likes of China, Japan, Saudi Arabia and other countries that block western influence and simply expand their own and create their own human rights laws and customs based on their ancestors perceptions of right and wrong.

@ posters
Not sure if people have just go out of bed when they "read" this very important article, but I will be happy to reiterate...
https://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-11-07/mofoyh4au3.gif

The foolishness continues...

NLers.
smh.

I agree, hopefully this will lead to more respect for peoples cultures and objective thinking.

@ pickabeau1
This exchange is a good example of I'm talking about.

CAMNEWTON4PRES:

blackprowler:
Your very question is already prejudiced. Like you, the vast majority are conscious of those things and defer to it. That is the very reason why we continue to remain a backward continent. Everything you defend as your "culture" today was also practiced by your superiors in other continents until they knew better and changed. They stopped killing "witches" in England in the 1600s; this is 2014. The latest one they're giving up now which is dumped on your society and worrying you all is Christianity and Islam.

Go and read and stop regurgitating the prejudice you were born in. I love many African music, clothing and art, but by God I hate the vast majority of your traditions, values and belief system

Really our superiors , our traditions ? Dayum don't know whether to laugh or cry
So you basically hate your identity that's if you are even African

Btw who determines what's civilized or being civilized is ? Can you all stop judging us through Western paradigms and your westernized brains?
No need to add you can't miss what you never had

pickabeau1: If you believe culture is dynamic why does it seem you don't like change

We don't like change for the sake of copying some random group of people for acceptance. We only want objective change, aka real enlightenment, that only seeks to reform cultural values and practices through proper, unbiased evaluation and not ethnocentric views which is what is destroying Nigeria.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: Lmaoo tpia5 na wa ooo

Please Kingston, don't mind the brainwashed slaves, knock their heads and move on, you can't save everyone, we should only make sure that the 1diots roaming our continent don't become the majority,

Unfortunatly, I think that has already happened. Colonialsm has brainwashed the generations of city dwellers who run the country to only value western ideals instead of objective ones. Luckily, there are still a few traditionalists and "uneducated" people who can help return their continent back to civilization.

imagine that girl saying she became wiser lmfaooo and the other fellow to say that his culture evolves lol tho , I believe culture is dynamic to some extent but those changes have to b made from within and voluntary:..furthermore there's a difference between dropping your culture and changing it, to bad most did the former...
I had a gf, who was always complaining that I'm too traditionalist, wth does that mean

Tho fulaman didn't mention or single out women, denying that they are the weakest link and the most brainwashed is like denying the existence of the sun @fulanigirl

I agree, I even made a thread on the importance of tradition and objective reasoning. It was a very enlightening article by a man named Karl Khan who I quoted when replying to alienYOUTH.

blackprowler: Your very question is already prejudiced. Like you, the vast majority are conscious of those things and defer to it. That is the very reason why we continue to remain a backward continent. Everything you defend as your "culture" today was also practiced by your superiors in other continents until they knew better and changed. They stopped killing "witches" in England in the 1600s; this is 2014. The latest one they're giving up now which is dumped on your society and worrying you all is Christianity and Islam.

Go and read and stop regurgitating the prejudice you were born in. I love many African music, clothing and art, but by God I hate the vast majority of your traditions, values and belief system

Too bad. Because you're missing out on quite alot of advancement.
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