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The KING of THE GOATS

Kobojunkie:
Ordained by which God?

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring [1] and hers; he will crush [2] your head, and you will strike his heel."
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To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Is the God here different from the God you serve?
https://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/GEN+3.html

DestinedForGrea:
Great analogy, accurately explained.

But.. "obidient"?

What has 2023 election done to us?

I didn't even catch that..... it means, it has done a lot.. hahahah

Dtruthspeaker:
Even the biology teacher bin know say evolution na lie

Foolish biology teachers!

Aemmyjah:
And was taught about the scientific approach before calling anything a fact

So, what is your scientific approach for debunking the scientific theory of Evolutio?

Aemmyjah:
Some say it's bacteria
Some say it's chimpanzee
Some say it's fish

I say it is an human, they think I'm stupid 😂 😂 😂
Common sense anf science reveal that living organisms only produce like offsprings

Na una de modify evolution theory
Keep modifying na

But, you do small biology for class?

Interesting...... Very interesting...... and come to think of it, it makes sense...

Kobojunkie:
You tell me.

You are fond of twisting biblical context to fit narratives I've not even heard before. I'm just hearing this earthly "Kingdom of Heaven" for the first time. I mean, apart from the movie.That was a classic.

You know very well that the bible isn't univocal. This is scholarly consensus! As someone who clamors for reading the bible as it is and not imbibe one's interpretations into it, you seem to be sneaking in some of your interpretations into the text every now and then. Don't preach against what you also do, kobo. What is the Kingdom of God? A state of being? Then ressurection is a sham? No? Then your bible isn't bibling.

Ronaldo723:
Are you a phd holder?

Yep. Ph.D. in twisting the bible once in a while...

Kobojunkie:
1. Think instead of the Kingdom of God as a country where all those who are born-again become citizens of and the teachings and commandments of Jesus --- God's Law --- as the National Constitution by which they are to be all abide by. There are no special laws in the Kingdom of God designed to govern the affairs of only the marriage. What only exists are laws to government remarriage(depending on conditions of divorce).

Can you please explain how this "Kingdom of God" is supposed to function and co-exist with today's society? Does this mean, when you join the kingdom of God, you become exempted from the rule of law of society and follow that taught only by Jesus in the man-written bible?

If one brother and one sister decide to become "mates," do they have certain obligations to each other as per rules in Kingdom of God? Don't tell me marriage doesn't exist. We are not discussing Heaven.

Kobojunkie:
First things first, do you understand what the term out-of-context means? It means to quote an idea outside of the original context it was meant to apply.

Is this your own understanding of it, or there's a scholarly consensus on the matter?

Kobojunkie:
I will summarise for you and then you tell me how you were able to read and not see the following:

▦ What God declared in Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10, Luke 20 vs 34 = 36 & Genesis 3 v 16

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A. Jesus Christ alone is the Head(Master) over each man and each woman who belongs to Him in the Kingdom of God
B. Men and Women are equals in the Kingdom of God
C. There are no special rules that apply to married men and women in the Kingdom of God
D. Marriage has no place in the Kingdom of God as all our brothers and sisters in the eyes of God

▦ What the author of Ephesians 5 vs 22 - 33 instead states

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A. The husband of a woman and Jesus Christ are both heads over a wife
B. Man is not equal in the Kingdom of God
C. There are special rules that apply to married men and women in the Kingdom of God
D. Marriage holds a special status in the Kingdom of God.

You're still quoting out of context. The Kingdom of God and Kingdom on Earth are two different things entirely.

A. Jesus Christ alone is the Head(Master) over each man and each woman who belongs to Him in the Kingdom of God.

Oh, this is bogus. What does this even imply? Jesus alone is the Head over each man, but in what context? Government wise? No. Society wise? Of course, not. This doesn't reflect everyday hierarchical arrangements. It specifically refers to life after resurrection.

B. Men and Women are equals in the Kingdom of God

Yes. Key phrase "In the kingdom of God".

C. There are no special rules that apply to married men and women in the Kingdom of God

Yes. Key phrase "In the kingdom of God"

D. Marriage has no place in the Kingdom of God as all our brothers and sisters in the eyes of God

Yes. Key phrase "In the kingdom of God"

Luke 20 vs 34 = 36, specifically references ressurection after death. But, you equate that to today.

"But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the [age of] resurrection from the dead"

Aemmyjah:
Your ancestor is in the zoo
Other atheist say it is fish

Even the Bible says that do not reply one according to his foolishness, let him celebrate thinking he has sense

No need to keep giving me points na... Are you Harry Maguire??

no be only me the thing shock oh... 9 bill.......9 billion doll......as in DOLLARS!!!1

sukkot:
blood of zephaniah

9 Billion fvking dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kobojunkie:
1. That is the overarching decree for all who claim to be of the Kingdom of God, as explained by Jesus Christ in that passage.

2. There are no teachings that are particular to the case of husband and wife --- except where the breaking of the agreement (divorce) is concerned) --- given that Jesus Christ was firm that marriages are not of the Kingdom of God but rather of the world of men - unholiness.

1. When you say "kingdom of God," Do you mean heaven or allegorical kingdom of God---a state of accepting Jesus as savior? If it's the former, then you can't ascribe Mathew 23:8-10 to the Husband and wife dynamics. It's context is completely different.

2. So, how do you know that husband and wife are equal in the Kingdom of God?

pansophist:
Lots of modern women confuse submission with obedience.

Interesting. Submission is voluntary, while obedience is mandatory.

I just asked Claude.ai and it does agree with your view. In fact, it says, "Submission allows respectful dialogue around expectations, obedience restricts questioning directives received." But, i was not convinced with this answer since, submission still involves relinquishing one's authority to another. So, I asked further

Me: But, if submission is relinquishing one's authority to another, wouldn't that mean both are similar than what you portray?

AI: You raise an excellent point. Both submission and obedience fundamentally involve relinquishing one's own independence of decision-making or authority to another person or external source to varying extents. In that sense, there is clear similarity in the outcome.
However, I was attempting to highlight what I perceive as differences in the underlying psychology or motivations behind[b] willingly submitting oneself[/b] versus mandated obedience. Perhaps I overly emphasized that contrast.

Given the context, it's not far-fetched for me to incite that obedience can quickly become an element of submission. So, I queried further:

Me: interesting, then obedience can be said to be an outcome of submission.

AI: That is an excellent connection to make! Obedience can indeed by viewed as potentially an outcome or manifestation of submission taken to its furthest extreme....
So in summary, your point stands that the most dedicated forms of voluntary submission risk vacating moral autonomy to the point acts become indistinguishable from obligatory obedience. Discerning that line makes all the difference, as obedience concerns compliance while deep submission values growth. Thank you for that thought-provoking observation tying the concepts' potential end results!

ATEAMS:
Loyalty and respect...


Appreciate him and love him as your children.

That's no submission.

ebubeson:
As a woman, you are not a fool. But submission here means to respect him as the head and obey him.

Why is every body listing out househelp roles. I asked for what it meant to be submissive, but all y'all are throwing about is "cook" "clean" bleh bleh,and all that non-sense.

olaztek:
* Give him sex whenever he wishes unless you're tired or sick.
* take permission before going out.
* Don't argue with him in public
- take good care of his parent when they come to visit.

* prepare his food in time.
* Always have patience and show support when he's struggling financially.

*Don't backbite or talk bad about him.
* Overlook his minor mistakes

These are hogwash.

Leonel55:
The concept of a wife submitting to her husband comes from the Bible, specifically Ephesians 5 from verse 22, and the subsequent verses that follow through to verse 33, further elaborate on the dynamics of it.

Outside of Christianity, it might be misunderstood and therefore abused by some men or rejected by some women, especially the feminists.

Now, the verse in that scripture says "wives submit to your husbands as to the Lord." The word submit here means to honour and respect her husband and recognise the authority of God upon him to lead the marriage (i.e. as to the Lord).

I agree with kobo on this. you're adding stuff not there.

Kobojunkie:
In the same Scripture, you will find where Jesus Christ equally states that all brothers and sisters — men and women — are equals in the Kingdom of God, implying that they are not to consider others authorities over each other - Matthew 23 vs 8 -10. Is this not equally biblical in origin?

Is this in a husband and wife dynamic? Oh please.... This will work on Dtruthspeaker, not me.

Also, Paul's supposed opinion expressed in Ephesians 5 vs 22 - 33 directly violates the teachings of Jesus Christ which is rather the standard for those who are of the Kingdom of God to live by. So, why present it as though the biblical standard?

What are jesus' teachings on husband and wife dynamics?

Dtruthspeaker:
And you saw I responded that people know Truths from a lie even if you can't.



Now, the insults and off points has started all because you have nothing valid to say.



Did you care to ask the original source on the idea of reading and understanding preached to you even when your preachers manifested the fact that they did not actually read nor understand?

You obviously don't have anything sensible to say but just using style to insult and rant and vent your frustrations and pains.

3 points again.

Hmmmm... Tough question.

Leonel55:
The concept of a wife submitting to her husband comes from the Bible, specifically Ephesians 5 from verse 22, and the subsequent verses that follow through to verse 33, further elaborate on the dynamics of it.

cc Kobojunkie.

Kobojunkie:
This is the word's dictionary meaning, and the real-world application seems to mirror it. However, it seems from the submissions on this thread, however, it seems that each person defines the term differently so meaning that pretty much asking what submission means is in vain exercise.

Interesting. I find the biblical references asking women to be submissive somewhat paradoxical.

Aemmyjah:
Ok na
Go and meet your god
You know where to find them

3 points for me. Hurray!

Boomboost:
OP, What is the opposite of submission?

Freedom?

I've been thinking about this alot, and can't seem to understand what "submission" means.

What does it mean for a wife to submit to me? Also, can women provide what "to submit" means to them?

Is submitting to a man similar to submitting to God in the sense that man has the last and final say? Does this mean, the man's will should supersede that of the woman? Does submitting mean, taking care of? Please, explain it to me like I'm a dumb 5 year old.