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bcomputer101:
Let's discuss...

Is it a sin for married couple to have sex before going to church?
What's Bible position about this?


Biblical scholars, please enlighten us on this.

Yes, it is a sin. It is the sin of concupiscence that caused Adam and Eve to fall from favour,and necessitated Jesus been birthed by a virgin who was immaculately conceived (no concupiscence happened when Mary was conceived).

Image123:
You used cheerleading decibels to measure joy/excitement the other time. Hope you have learned better. Like i have clearly stated, there is no scientific consistency to what you are saying. There is no device available to measure most grateful, stop kidding. As i havve explained already, emotions and intellect are physical products of the soul.

Sound decibels produced by fans in a stadium can be used as measure of excitement. I never said joy but sound decibels can also be part of the framework for measuring joy. You haven't taught anything so please don't get arrogant.
Gratefulness can be measured on a determined scale. e.g. N5000 is not significant to me but to you it’s significant. So if someone gave us both N5000 each, you’d be more grateful than me. On a scale of 1-5, your gratefulness could be 4 while mine is 2.
The emotions that gave rise to the feeling of gratefulness can also be measured as already shown and used to validate the gratefulness scale.

You haven't explained anything but make claims about the Blum Soul. Emotions/intellect are brain functions that can be measured. Also, your apparent misunderstanding of science leads you to erroneously believe measurement is strictly quantitative whereas it can also be qualitative.

Can a soul emote or display intellect without a functioning brain?

Image123:
The spectrum is a good explanation/comparison as it shows you that something can be invisible but reflect physically. You don't see x-ray light but there is a machine that produces X-rays for you to see. The machine or the X-ray pictures are not the x-ray light. Same way the soul sometimes manifests physical through the expression of emotions and intellect.

The electromagnetic spectrum is not a good explanation for the soul because we can detect it regardless if it's visible or invisible unlike the soul. Regardless if x-ray, gamma rays, or infrared are invisible to us, they are reproducible and can be detectable unlike the soul.
Your claim of Soul is akin to claiming that there is invisible/undetectable part of the spectrum called the Blum. Or that the Blum is the source of gamma rays and xrays.

Image123:
i said/meant that the soul's function is physically seen or expressed by emotions and intellect, not that the soul cannot function without a brain.

I, and others, said the brain's function is physically seen or expressed by emotions and intellect, and the soul is an idea that does not explain anything except it's used as a metaphor for emotions/feelings e.g. "Soul" Music.
I used DMX's vegetative brain and it's hampered ability to emote as an example of how the brain and emotions are obviously tied together but you insisted that DMX still had emotions because if his "soul" but couldn't express it because the brain was "fried", which indicates that your concept of soul is brain dependent. You haven't said anything to prove otherwise because all your examples for soul are traceable to, and nonexistent without, the brain.

Image123:
The scriptures have long taught and been right on many issues. It knows man evidently more than man is still struggling to know himself. It changes man more easily and better than man's efforts have so far tried. It's a moving train that sweeps anything and anyone along its way for centuries. It has been working and continues to work, while man has continued to need fixing, and keeps getting fixed by the Bible every time. It is only wisdom to submit to the greater instead of aimless struggles that do not satisfy.

Sigh. Your scriptures were written by men like me who were born of vaginas, shit themselves as infants, breathe oxygen, drink water, and who will die, like me. There is nothing special about "the scriptures", the people who wrote them, or the people who compiled them and called the collection "The Bible". Their beliefs, however clever or true there were for their time and to people like you, remains unfounded and are not better or more accurate about man/nature than other unfounded beliefs that you readily dismiss.

Image123:
It's akin to saying we should disregard X-rays and gamma rays and electromagnetism for instance. While you cannot see them, you can see their effects on visible things as it were. The functions of the soul include emotions, intellect and a will. These are observable things.
Like i have well stated, individual emotions are not generally repeating, measurable or the same. Whatever, influence(r) you might blame or claim, that's the truth. The crux and summary then goes to the authority and the effect/power of the Bible, as that's where i'm coming from.
The teaching and influence of the Bible is so powerful and drastic that it leaves the diligent student with real reasons to take what it says about the human soul seriously.

You cannot use the electromagnetic spectrum as an analogy for your soul. While we only see a sliver of the electromagnetic spectrum, we can detect some of it in other physical ways and through the use of various tools. You say the soul includes emotions, intellect, and a will but the brain is the source of the emotions, intellect, and will because these are the names we give to various brain functions.

Earlier you said the soul requires a functioning brain to work; however the brain works without the soul or the other thing you call spirit.
If one rightly views the bible as Jewish mythology/philosophy and Roman fiction, there is no need to try to view reality through its lens, regard it as infallible, and ignore knowledge for superstition.

Image123:
The fortunate thing is that we are not just discussing response to stimuli but human emotions. Don't go too far to hypothetical six year olds, examine yourself. Is it the same way you respond to greetings every time? Or to phone calls, or to call to eat, wake up, to your best friend etc. You should be a robot to be that consistent and measurable. How do you emote if given five thousand naira? Can you predict it and is it consistent? Two people that equally need 5k will not necessarily behave the same way upon receipt. One may burst into tears, the same one may hug you, the same one may refuse it, the same one may lie prostrate thanking you. Not to mention different others.



How many Kilojoules do you use to measure fear sir? Like i said, i am not referring to response to stimuli or adaptability, i am referring to emotions. People for instance do not "fall in" love the same way, even the same person. Neither is it the guaranteed to be the same exact reason. You don't even love people the same way or show love the same way. How do you measure love? Number of gifts or money spent or the way the person smiles or like you suggest by brain waves and breath rates? What is the breath rate of love, and do you agree that i do not love if my breath rate does not measure up?



Guile and treachery are emotions in people, just like love, happiness, hatred before acting them out. Someone can be treacherous and full of guile in an organisation or government, and not yet acting it out. It is not only when it is acted out that it is there. Do you realise that one can look very lively and bubbling and yet not be as joyous and happy as the second fellow just seated calmly? You just said you can measure this in DIFFERENT ways, care to enlighten us.



Wow, cheerleading decibels is what you use to measure joy, or what do you mean by excitement? Because i am clearly referring to every day human emotions not to supporters club chants. You can be shouting like a baboon as a cheerleader does not mean you are happy. You are simply motivated doing a job. The same fellow can actually be depressed or suicidal. If you have used your framework and control to measure him as a happy man, you have failed oh.

Emotions result in involuntary bodily reactions that can be measured objectively by pupil dilation (eye tracking), skin conductance (EDA/GSR), brain activity (EEG, fMRI), heart rate (ECG), and facial expressions.
While emotions are associated with bodily reactions that are activated through neurotransmitters and hormones released by the brain, feelings are the conscious experience of emotional reactions that we call love, anger, fear, etc. The intensity of the feeling ( your examples above) will depend on various factors and can also be measured, so we can device a framework to determine who you love most or who is most grateful for a $5000 gift.

Emmanuelcann:
The Catholic Church is a very powerful organisation and has been a world player for over a thousand years. It's a master of deceit and falsehood. Read the Bible and you will discover for yourself.

The Catholic Church is a master of deceit but you read the Bible compiled by the Catholic Church and people connected to it. So, your beliefs are shaped by the master of deceit and falsehood.

See me see trouble o. Why is sister happiness spreading sadness?

Image123:
How else do you expect me to explain them to you, via scriptural methodology? i have to use what you understand/believe/know to help explain what you do not understand/believe/know.
Thank God i have someone at last that knows for a FACT that the same stimuli doesn't evoke the same emotion. You must be godsent . However it is not scientific as it is not predictable, consistent or measurable. How on earth do you measure guile or treachery, how do you weigh love and excitement?

Studying a subject’s response to certain stimuli can be predictable, consistent, and measurable depending on the framework of the experiment. The assertions that the test evokes varying emotions is the result of the observation.

We can take six year old kids as the subjects, expose them to something scary such a person in a scary costume sneaking up behind them when least expected, then make predictions about how they will emote and measure the effects through heart rates, brain waves, breathe rates and the likes in a consistent manner. We can predict the emotion we call fear in this particular situation.

The fact that the horrible costume would not evoke the same emotions on the second and third exposures does not mean we can’t measure fear within our framework, it just means the brain states are different after multiple exposures and fear turns to indifference or even mirth.

You can’t measure guile or treachery because they are the names given to certain actions people do.

You can’t weigh love or excitement but you can measure them in different ways.

The champions league final will be played on neutral grounds. If we have two stadiums filled with Chelsea fans and Manchester United fans, we can measure “excitement” at both stadiums through a framework such as noise decibels and use a third stadium filled with casual fans as control.

Image123:
In this case, we have said the same thing so why different conclusions? Science is consistent and measurable, it is principled. i don't know where the 100 figure came out from though. How you say science is not specific is funny, anyway i'll let it slide. Emotions are not specific, consistent or consistently reproducible. The exact same conditions that make you burst into tears today may make you angry tomorrow or simply whimper.

Not necessarily an anomaly, it depends on many things. But not to divert, the point from here is that the same gruesome scene will not produce the same emotion in you 10 or 2 different times. And it's same for everyone. It is not consistent, science is consistent.

You know that's why i asked you what science is na, since my view is very narrow. But you forgot to tell me.

Lol, not just a reason but a billion reasons, exactly why emotion is not subject to science.

It’s ironic that you claim emotion is not subject to science while using objective observation, which is a scientific methodology.

The fact that the same stimuli doesn’t evoke the same emotion after multiple exposures is a scientific observation about how the brain reacts to stimuli. Yet you claim emotions are not subject to science.

Image123:
The brain is one of the most complex organs in the human body. It is made up of more than 100 billion nerves that communicate in trillions of connections. It is the physical powerhouse of the soul as it were. It's like your transformer converting electricity for your use.

The brain in too complex, like you point it, to be compared to a transformer.
But if i follow your analogy, the soul uses the brain as a conduit for interacting with the world and any damage to the brain limits the ability of the soul to interact with the world. Is that correct?
If it’s correct, where exactly is the soul and can it function independent of the brain?

A vegetative person that is hooked up to a machine can be kept alive and even respond to some physical stimuli but dies when unhooked from the machine.

Image123:
If your brain is fried, evidently, you will struggle to physically show emotions. It does not mean that you lack emotions, just that you cannot show them more physically.

There is difference between lacking emotions and being unable to show them physically.

Stephen Hawking had a brain fully capable of emotions but was unable to show them physically while DMX had a damaged brain incapable of emotions while still physically capable.

All we can say is that emotions depend of the functioning of the brain unless you show where the soul is, how it interacts with the brain, and whether it is wholly dependent on the brain.

If you insist the soul is an emergent property of the brain, then you have to explain the difference or similarities between consciousness and soul.

Jokerman:
Miracle is not the same as magic

Sure, but they are praying for a miracle not a magic trick.

temitope27:
Those MFM members get problem,you can imagine them praying Atlantic ocean should dry funny people

If Moses can part the Red Sea.......

Poloyanabo2:
It's official, christains in Nigeria are abusing Christianity and I blame half-baked pastors.
What the F is this?

How are they abusing Christianity when miracles are part of Christian dogma?

O ye of little faith.

Kobojunkie:
I didn't say any of that. God did exactly what God wanted to do. It is really just that simple!
The writer, bound under the laws of time, expressed exactly that.

God did exactly what the writer wanted him to do. It really is that simple. God does whatever the writer wants him to do. The question is, do you believe the writer?

What are the laws of time?

Workch:
That was why my question was not directed to you.

True. Carry on, wallow in the muck.

Workch:
Are these not ridiculous questions?

How are they ridiculous?

I don’t know what an afterlife is, so you have to clarify .

Kobojunkie:
1. The writer, who happens to be human, wrote that it took six days. If God wanted to draw the work out for 1000 days, He could have if He wanted to, nothing wrong with that even for an omnipotent being but in this case, He, as claimed by the author, did it in 6 days.

2. He waited till the morning to continue His work?

The only reason that God didn’t draw out the work for 1000 days is because it was the writer’s choice. If the writer had chosen to write that it took 10 days, you would be here claiming that God could have done the work in 7 days if he wanted to. Hell, god is only omnipotent because some other writer said so.

Workch:
Sorry, you have not answered my question.
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Fair enough.

Workch:
So what happens to you in the afterlife if you don’t meet the moral standards in Christianity?

Before I can answer.
What is the afterlife?
Is there a beforelife?
Where is the afterlife?

Image123:
Which of the scenarios i gave is a natural anomaly? Every human being has different and distinct personalities and motives. Science is specific, measurable, principled and easily predictable. Individual emotions are not. You can't measure laughter or happiness or joy scientifically. You can't detect betrayal or envy in the laboratory. What contributing factors do you need to have the same level of love ? What is science? Emotions for instance are sure proof that you have a soul, they come primarily from the soul.

Emotions are description of brain states influenced by internal and external factors.

The rapper DMX was very emotional in his art and life. Then he overdosed while trying to soothe certain emotions that caused him suffering, which led to the death or malfunctioning of significant portions of his brain. Subsequently, he was alive but the brain was in a “vegetative” state, which meant he could not emote. Clearly, his emotions were the results of different brain states and when the brain malfunctioned the emotions stopped. If emotions were dependent on something called soul, the guy would still be alive displaying emotions despite the brain being in a vegetative state.

Workch:
So what happens to you in the afterlife if you don’t meet the moral standards in Christianity?

What happens to you in the meta-afterlife if you don’t meet the moral standards in Ifa philosophy?

Meta-afterlife begins when your soul dies in the afterlife.

donbachi:
Only GOD knows The kind crytocurrency wey dey dat time.

Slavery and all sorts of human exploitation prior to colonialism. The spoils of Britain’s divide and conquer tactics during colonialism. Corruption after colonialism.

AntiChristian:
Since 2000 yrs ago....and he's coming quickly?

Is he still using a donkey?

If a thousand years is like a day to the Lord, then 2000 years are 2 days to the Lord, and 3000 years are 3 days to the Lord. Judging by his past actions and the Christian affinity for the number three, the Lord should be back sometime on the third day or year 3xxx.

So party on Righteouness2, the God of Chosen is asleep until the divine clock ticks the final hour in year 3xxx. By then, you’ll be dead and forgotten.

ajoks533:
What does Praying with live Fish inside water mixed with salt, then wash your face and head inside it and pour everything away, symbolise?

ajoks533 sleeps with the fishes.

sonmvayina:
The 10 commandments Is for the Jewish people...the rest of mankind is under the 7 noahide laws. They are universal.

It is what we all be judged with.

Not giving your life to an idol(jesus)..

Your universal consciousness seems Jewish given that it has special commandments for the Jews and separate laws for inferior beings like you.

sonmvayina:
Quick question??

Did you finish jss3?

I did not start JSS1 talk less of finishing JSS3.
Regardless, "god is the universal conciousness" is a nonsensical statement. You might as well say "Raphodon is the essence of the universe and every organism is an instantiation of Raphodon". Makes as much sense.

sonmvayina:
We are the universe experiencing life as individuals...

This makes sense because it doesn't consider us as unique beings placed in the universe by a god. It appropriately considers us as part of the universe. However, it also applies to all living organisms on earth to wit:
A tree is just the universe experiencing life as a plant. A fish is just the universe experiencing life as an aquatic animal.
A rat is just the universe experience life as a rodent.

So your “universe experiencing life as individuals” sounds profound and insightful, but it’s ultimately meaningless.

sonmvayina:
We are saying the same thing in different languages....

Yes, we are saying the same thing but I'm the only one acknowledging that it is nonsense.

sonmvayina:
We are the universe experiencing life as individuals

This makes sense because it doesn't consider us as unique beings placed in the universe by a god. It appropriately considers us as part of the universe.

sonmvayina:
Because the purpose is for us to live in peace.
No more wars and oppression.
..

How do you view your veneration of Jews in light of the following:

“EVERY RACE, NATION, COMMUNITY ON EARTH, NO MATTER HOW HIGH OR HOW LOW IT STANDS ON THE LADDER OF ‘CIVILIZATION’, CLINGS TO A BELIEF, A PHILOSOPHY, A RELIGION, OR CALL IT A SUPERSTITION. BUT EACH CLINGS WITH A TENACITY THAT READILY INDUCES THOUSANDS AND EVEN MILLIONS OF ITS SUBJECTS TO LAY DOWN THEIR LIVES IN ITS DEFENSE. IT MAY HAVE BEEN ACQUITTED FROM WITHOUT, OR IT MAY BE THE EMBROIDERY OF THE RACE’S OWN PROPHETS AND PHILOSOPHERS, AND SUCH BELIEFS CONSTITUTE MOSTLY THOSE THINGS THAT THE PARTICULAR RACE OR NATION REGARDS AS ITS IDEALS, ITS SYMBOLS OR EXAMPLES OF SPIRITUAL AND MATERIAL PERFECTION. IN DAYS GONE BY THIS BELIEF NEARLY ALWAYS TOOK THE FORM OF REVERENCE FOR A GOD OR A NUMBER OF GODS WHO WERE HONORED OR WORSHIPED IN PARTICULAR WAYS. . . .
THE BELIEFS HELD BY A PARTICULAR RACE CONSTITUTE THAT RACE’S ‘EGO’. IT IS THEREFORE WRONG FOR ONE RACE TO FORCE ITS BELIEFS ON ANOTHER. IN OUR WITCHCRAFT WE CONSIDER IT POSSIBLE FOR ONE PERSON TO REPLACE ANOTHER PERSON’S SOUL WITH HIS OWN. IT AMOUNTS TO THE SAME THING. A NATION’S SOUL IS ITS RELIGION.
THE BELIEFS OF ANY RACE GO A LONG WAY IN DETERMINING THE ULTIMATE FATE OF THAT RACE IN THE ARENA OF HUMAN HISTORY. MANY A RACE HAS BEEN LIFTED TO THE HIGHEST HEAVEN OR CAST DOWN INTO THE DEEPEST PITS OF HELL BY ITS BELIEFS ALONE.”
- CREDO MUTWA, INDABA MY CHILDREN

sonmvayina:
Because the purpose is for us to live in peace. No more wars and oppression.

How can an ethnocentric concept of a universal deity ever bring peace when it necessarily demands that one ethnicity be elevated at the expense of others? The Jewish concept of god is one of the factors influencing the Israel/Palestine conflict, yet you make this claims!!!
The only commandment that matters is "thou shall have no other gods before me". It is that idea that ensures that the Jews will never succumb to oppression unlike you. That idea ensures that their sense of self, their identity, their cultural pride will never be subservient to another. Their "god" didn't give them the command, their philosophers did.

sonmvayina:
It teaches us to understand that we are all God's breath(spirit) experiencing life as individuals. We are God dwelling within different vessels or bodies.

"God's breath (spirit)" living in different vessels does not mean anything to me.

I can also write mystical jargon like this:

We are all emanations of the Unit embodied in seemingly individual vessels expressed in the nous than contains our souls living in the world of matter forever morphing into and out of the One.

Preciousgirl:
See what happened...


John 6:21

Then they willingly received Him into the boat, and immediately the boat was at the land where they were going.

The moment the Lord entered the boat, the boat got to its destination. Wooow

Halleluyah

They don't talk about it because it's the icing on the watery cake. If he can walk on water, he can teleport, and he can leap tall buildings in a single bound.

Jesus Walks on the Water
16 When evening came, his disciples went down to the lake, 17 where they got into a boat and set off across the lake for Capernaum. By now it was dark, and Jesus had not yet joined them. 18 A strong wind was blowing and the waters grew rough. 19 When they had rowed about three or four miles,[b] they saw Jesus approaching the boat, walking on the water; and they were frightened. 20 But he said to them, “It is I; don’t be afraid.” 21 Then they were willing to take him into the boat, and immediately the boat reached the shore where they were heading.

sonmvayina:
Just obey God's commandments. That's all he wants from us...

Lol....very funny..


You laugh at the absurdity of the Christian stories while claiming that the Jewish god gave commandments as if that is not equally absurd.
What's different between Jesus' teleportation and your god's commandments?

PeaceJoyLove:
Bro, if you want to try a method which I know works to manage the two diseases, when I see the result of diabetes. I pray it is type 2 as it is easier to manage. Even, it may be reversed. But it really depends on the damage done. The method is just purely change of diet (not less than 90% organic food) and intake of special supplements to improve cells. Many degenerative and auto immume diseases are managed better with diet, and few cases are reversed. My cousin used to have a terrible osteoarthritis condition. It is so better now. Diabetes 2 can be managed to a stage the person is almost free from using medications.

STFU. Lordreed and his folks are already getting medical and dietary advice from medical practitioners so they don’t need your “pray it is type 2” suggestions. This thread is about your god and his prophet Jesusjnr.