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Icon4s:
Brother, since we are like family here, I just came out of a surgical operation. Currently still hospitalized. But no worries, it came out good and I am recovering.

I didn't watch the game because the Hospital's management made it as a policy not to switch to football games due to their hypertensive patients. I never knew until 5 minutes before the game when I requested for super sport .

Health is great wealth and can not be substituted for anything.

God's healing that perfects the limited works of men be upon you.

Great improvement in this second half, we may indeed scrape a draw, my optimistic view.

Stand out player for me is the difference for us is Uncle Okon..

andrew444:
lol so na now you dey know ?

I just keep quite since.

Trying to be optimistic that things will change. But unfortunately l can't see it happening.

I decided to watch this game live and with the risk of being accused of unpatriotic behaviour. There is nothing inspiring about this team SO FAR.

One on one with the keeper and couldn't score no composure.

Danielnino00:
If Dele Bashiru hadn't started the first two games or he was dropped from the squad,folks here would have said he was better than the other midfielders in the team..

Well,I don't wanna judge too soon.. the guy is highly rated at Man city.. This tournament won't be the defining moment of his career...

There are way too many youth players that big clubs have highly rated, who have come to ABSOLUTELY NOTHING over time.

Players that clubs have spent sometimes millions of ££ with no return.

gamaliel9:
Let us see what stability can bring to the table this time...after this AFCON more creative midfielders should be sought...Dele Bashiru and Oforb
should get a look in.

Are they playing first team football in thier clubs ❓ The SE is not the place for youth team players.

Until a player has proven himself at senior first team football played. The basis for invitation should always be consistent, continuous outstanding top performances at club level. Not youthful glories.

The transition from youth football to first team football isn't always fluid many fall by the way side. Chuba Akpom a classic example great at youth level struggled at senior level.

Danielnino00:
Every football transfer starts out as a rumour...

Maybe you forgot that

Yes maybe but also 90% remain as rumours and end up nowhere.

tbaba1234:
We sent genuine kids home to field all these uncles. It is tragic.

Uncles keh

U deh kill me with laff

Danielnino00:
I don't bring beer parlour gists here... You were the one that jumped in on my comment in the first place.
Anyway. Here's proof from ur darling UK news outlet of Liverpool wanting to replace Shaqiri with Chukwueze ..

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/22/liverpool-considering-selling-xherdan-shaqiri-villarreals-samuel-chukwueze-radar-9654703/


https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/05/23/liverpool-could-sanction-shaqiri-transfer-to-make-room-for-lightning-quick-la-liga-starlet/


https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1127850/Liverpool-transfer-news-Jurgen-Klopp-Samuel-Chukwueze-David-Neres-Julian-Brandt


I'd prefer him to stay at Villarreal and develop.. But his career won't die if he joins Liverpool either... Finitio!

Proof of what ❓

That Liverpool may have considered him alongside 100 other players across the globe.

In actual fact it's proof of NOTHING.

Until an official bid is made its simply wind and fresh air = NUTTIN.

I know several football agents who are able to manipulate the press with half truths and exaggerations it's simply the business of football.

When l said l had not heard anything about him l really meant from those who matter in the club not the press.

Danielnino00:
Everything you wrote up there are lies! Name one player Klopp has signed and sent to rot away with the u-23 ..
Game time won't be scarce for Chukwueze if he signs for Liverpool!

I wonder why you decided to ignore the important part of the message that stated that Chukwueze is being scouted to replace Shaqiri..

You jumped before you look, you allege without substance you underpin your assertion on emotive perception.

First, l haven't heard a single word from anybody that Chukwueze is tipped to replace Shaqiri. That's simply " beer parlour " analytics.

Do you really think that the entire scouting system rests on one man Klopp.The scouting department is quite elaborate with reports on a multitude of players across the globe.

So tell me one lie I have stated not two just one.

It's a question of what you determine to be rotting away, there are many players content to play U23 at Liverpool and make £10-15k a week.

My view is that Chukwueze should be playing first team football regularly in a club that gives him opportunity week in week out. When he progresses and establishes himself the big money moves will come.

Jump too soon and it could be all over and end up.not getting far. Essentially development first.

darkelf:
Wrong. Because Ox plays mostly as a CM.

Shaqiri wants first team soccer which klopp can't give to him considering those already in the first team. Hence the reason he may leave

You are wrong.

First of all look at the type of players Liverpool have bought in recent times and ask yourself if Chukwueze fits the profile.

Then look at the versatility of the proven, tested and established top quality forward players in Liverpool. All have played on the wing at one time or another and we are talking about Origi, Lallana, Ox and one or two on the fringe.

What you fail to realise also is that most players and that's even established players need time to adapt. Chukwueze has just played one season of first team football in La Liga. Lots of potential but a long way to go.

sontoly:
If shaqiri leaves, Liverpool needs Samu desperately, Sarah n mane cannot play every game, it's impossible, man city won everything in England because of club depth not just depth but quality players sit weekly on the bench.
Infact to compete next season Liverpool needs quality depth on the bench, let's not forget that they are not champions yet, they are still trophyless, it's basically same thing for the past 3 - 4 yrs.
What do we think caused them to slip 7 points if not fatigue.

The bold is DELUSIONAL.

Mickael2:
You do understand that if Shaqiri leaves there will still be Origi, Lallana, Ox and Sturridge on the bench, all are easily capable of keeping Samu out of the team. Ox has returned from injury, except him to be the first sub in most games especially as he can play 'most everywhere. Then if you are a goal down, will you in your right mind sub in Samu ahead of Origi or even Sterling If Lallana maintains a healthy season, he will fight for the final creative midfield role leaving two core workaholics in the middle.

Bro, Liverpool letting Shaqiri go is because of Ox's return

It's apparent that many 9ja football fans essentially fanatics are so befuddled with thier obsessive support for particular Nigerian players that reasoning has taken a nose dive.

The difference between Manchester city and Liverpool is the squads quality in depth. A team that can render Mahrez to a confirmed bench warmer that's the depth of quality Manchester city has.

Liverpool will buy proven tested outstanding consistent top quality players to give thier squad strength in depth.

Unfortunately Chukwueze a rooky in his first season does not fit the requirements. Great player with a lot of potential but that's all.

The goal posts have changed the bar has been risen. Liverpool need top draw players.

Shaqiri was proven and tested that's why they went for him to plug gaps when needed. Gomez was the most outstanding defender at 18 in league one. Liverpool did not have the same ambitions they have now so Gomez and also Roberts were given time to develop. Time is no longer available because every game counts.

Talk of Solanke is irrelevant. Solanke is an English player given the benefit of the doubt by many and a good business model transaction as opposed to a top quality tested and proven player. That business model worked they sold him for near £20 million.

Chukwueze going to Liverpool will not have the same branding. Add to that the EPL is not La Liga he may not have the TIME to adapt and find his footing. That could cause his development progression to stall.

edi287:
Wijnaldum and Mane were at a higher level than Samu is at the moment when they moved to Liverpool(more experienced as well).
Wijnaldum scored 11 league goals as a CM at Newcastle in his first season before moving to Liverpool. This also came after being captain of PSV and scoring 14 league goals from midfield too.
Mane was chased by Manure and Arsenal before he signed for Liverpool. Infact Van Gaal made him his top target that season and did everything in his power to get him.
Samu is super talented with massive massive potential. However, people should remember he'll be up against Mane and Salah if he signs for Liverpool.
All these examples of Gomez, Matip and Robertson makes no sense at all. The caliber of competition they faced is child play compared to what Samu will.
Truth is if Samu moves to Liverpool he won't become a regular until one of Salah or Mane leaves.
Expecting a Robertson and Gomez like breakthrough is a bit crazy.

It seems according to many here you must be a HATER lol

We prefer the over hyped lie to the simple truth.

safarigirl:
Who are they in comparison to Chukwueze? What is their profile?

If you couldn't discern that question, you have no right pontificating about any form of knowledge with your fancy words.


You are the poster child for sentiment and emotive bias, 90% of what you post is ludicrous, because your knowledge is sadly limited to the English top flight. If a player outside England is mentioned, your cluelessness oozes like the stench from a fishwife. I see how you wouldn't understand Chukwueze's worth though.

I do not hold it against you, I only wish you would stick to your limited knowledge with footballers outside England.

I am not sure what your point is.

You bring forth words but have no meaning or purpose to your non argument.

It's very simple, my view is that Chukwueze will not start at Liverpool and could easily loose progression by wasting away in the U23's.

Chukwueze has played one season of first team football at Villareal. How many games in total not sure it's over 35, outstanding potential. However, He is still finding his way in the professional game.

Great prospect yes, however proven and consistently tested not YET.

And already you have elevated him to world class. I have seen so many highly rated young players come and go. What differentiates your quality is consistent continous top class outstanding performances over time not just one season.

One season is not enough to make that conclusion. Seyi Ojo, Ryan Kent, Wilson, Ibe and others all had great potential and showed great promise at an even younger age than Chukwueze. The comparison is not to the individual but the club management culture.

And if you took time to consider and digest the opinion l expressed before crying and implying HATER you probably would look before you leap.

One thing you do not have at Liverpool is TIME you either perform or get dropped. You will not be given time to learn on the Job. Time is a very very scarce commodity at the top flight of football. More so with Liverpool. Will a young player be given time to develop in Liverpool ❓ Not in the first team sorry on loan yes.

Chukwueze needs time to develop and not be thrown into the deep end and possibly get lost and loose upward progression.

There is a comparison of the inherent football culture expectations and methodology within Liverpool. That's the pertinent observation not a comparison of individual players and thier respective attributes.

Effectively what l am doing is describing the organisational culture of Liverpool fc a world class club. Cementing that view by giving examples of players who didn't make the cut. It's not a comparison of individual players but the nature cultural management and expectations associated with Liverpool football club, a world class club.

But of course it seems you are unable to comprehend that position presented before you.

Sportilitica:
While I think Samu is better than those 3, he probably will not get to play and his career might just fizzle out. Shaqiri did not even get enough playing time so I really doubt Samu will. Before people go emotional on the issue, let us all remember that Liverpool has a fixed starting eleven and Samu can not displace anyone there. So where can he go to get playing time? We all saw what happened to Nacho immediately he stopped getting playing time.

Chukwueze may or may not be better buts it's not important. Clubs give preference to home grown talent and if these three players that have shown outstanding promise could not get in.

Why would anybody think Chukwueze will, unless you want to be Fanatical about support for all things Nigerian.

safarigirl:
Who is Seyi Ojo? Who is Harry Wilson? Who is Ryan Kent? What clubs have they played against? How did they stand out against them?

Once you hear a Nigerian player's name, you will want to compare him with every flash in the pan player born in Britain.

You always slaughter rational on your emotive alter of prejudice.

First assertion is simplistic, Chukwueze will not start at Liverpool. That means he could go on loan and his current progressive development curtailed.

The comparison is not to the individual but the consistent continous and present culture at Liverpool a world class football club. The players mentioned reflect that trend.

And if you don't know who they are then your lack of knowledge should not be a thing of pride, find out before you talk.

BascoVanVeli:
I am sorry but what u and the lot are talking is absolutely baseless. Nigerians are not more corrupt than any one else. They are doing what their system allows them to get away with.

For example in the U.S do you know how many people fraudulently get government assistance even though they are well to do? Nigeria is a small boy when it comes to corruption ooo. We are talking numerous prisons to hold millions of white collar criminals

Nigerians are not overly corrupt they are just desperate. Poverty will make you do things that you normally wouldn't do. There is no way you can expect people to not cross an invisible line when they see a better life in front of them, there must be a fence.

You see integrity is not negotiable and honesty is not a luxury but a necessity. These attributes are intrinsic yo true patriotism.

Poverty can also be a state of mind.

Look at the Touareg women you see begging at toad junctions. As beautiful as they are they will never resort to prostitution considering they have come out of abject starvation and famine extreme poverty.

Nigerians pay thousands of ££$$€€ to wilfully and knowingly enslave themselves into slavery to get to Europe. Passing through Niger, Libya and then play lottery with thier lives on death boats to cross the Mediterranean.

Our politicians are the highest paid in the WORLD and we all vote them in no questions asked. Meanwhile look at the shameless contention to pay 30k minimum wage.

The problem is not poverty but GREED and the idea of getting rich quick, wanting to reap without the hard work of sowing.

We have slaughtered our norms and values, righteousness and truth , honour and morality for the quest for I'll gotten wealth. Money by any means possible.

The problem of Nigeria is the multitude of Nigerians who have eyes but cannot see, Like YOU.

edi287:
What about the legitimate 19 year olds that has had his opportunity usurped by a 26 year old?? You think that's fair abi?
This is how folks will defend Yahoo boys because "country is hard" yet not realizing that those guys are making it even harder for legit young men to do anything.
Nigerians is the problem of Nigeria. Bad leaders did not fall from heaven. They came from the masses.
The masses can make a change but we all know the average naija folk is all talk. How else can you have a president like Buhari for 8 years??

The Rulers of a nation most often reflect the people of that nation.

The bitter truth.

BascoVanVeli:
Number one is that I care more about fixing the system than catching age cheats, u fix the system age cheating is impossible. So right now there is a glitch and people are taking advantage of it but what u want to do is go witch hunting and I can never be a part of that. You prove your case I won't let you get away with hearsay.

Your proposition enthrone corruption and ensures the status quo remains.

What you are saying in effect is that endemic, widespread and blatant corruption should continue in our country. Until we can get a system that eliminates it.

Sorry it's people that make systems not the system that makes people.

Your proposition has zero substance to put it lightly

tbaba1234:
There are journalists who can expose most of the cheats.

Nigerian origin media is a joke.

The media can bring down governments but not ours apart from the fact that most Nigerian media outlets are either controlled or owned by corrupt politicians.

fabyom:
Waoo!
However,
Oga icon4, are you saying those 2 guys are actually 19,18?
No sentiment!

I wonder oh !!!

Danielnino00:
*Transfer tidbits *


- Bayern Munich have reportedly submitted a €80m bid for Leroy Sane... If the move falls through, Onyekuru deal mayn't materialize...

- Sheyi Ojo has signed a 5 year contract extension with Liverpool... to be loaned out soon .rangers likely to be the next destination

- Should Shaqiri leave Liverpool this summer, Chukwueze has been penciled down as the number replacement....

Liverpool is a world class club looking for proven tested and consistent established world class players to take them to the next level.

Without prejudice Chukwueze does not fit the bill so I doubt your assertion. Unless he wants to grow stale in the Liverpool U23's.

Harry Wilson, Ryan Kent and Seyi Ojo cannot get into the team and you think Chukwueze will?

alekside:
Oga, stop this self deceit.

These guys look older I am. I am over30

I agree with you without any reservation.

It's DISGRACEFUL I mean there is a time to just be quite or abstain as opposed to making impossible and ridiculous claims.

Those are men bordering on 30 there is nothing to argue about.

andrew444:
Those welbeck and do you mention are young players

Hope you know I am yet to mention any England or europe player who is an age cheat ?

If you follow me I have only mention South Americans and Africa

Don't say it's impossible to cheat in Europe ,there is nothing in this world that's not possible

There are corrupt government officials all over the world and dem dey collect bribe wella ,so please calm down .

I am always calm particularly when I amin Europe maybe not so calm when in Nigeria.

I got back yesterday so CALMNESS has returned to me.

andrew444:
Na your own you dey talk bros

You think Americans are perfect or what ?

I will agree with you that it's hard to cheat in the USA but that doesn't mean they can't cheat

I will beat my chest on this ,no be human being they incharge of social security ? No be human being dey government house ?

My broda anything is possible ,USA wey people dey use dagbo get permit na him dem no fit cheat ?

Smiles

What you don't understand there is not a one point data capture or data collation. It's multiple and widespread.

So it's essentially impossible, one person cannot change the data on multiple fronts governmental and private sectors.

fabyom:
I did my NYSC there also.
Community Grammar School Afaha Obong.
However, I did not see any 19,18 or 17 year old look like that.

Like it

andrew444:
Bros abeg age cheat is everywhere ,because say na USA they can't cheat ?

It's actually IMPOSSIBLE to cheat in Europe, the West and most of the developed world.

First of all, there is AUTOMATIC DATA CAPTURE AT BIRTH and prior to birth as well.

Secondly, there is continous data capture at school and in multiple governmental and private sector bodies as you engage with society on multiple fronts.

Thirdly, once you get involved with football sometimes at age 4/5 your progression is recorded and documented. Whether that football engagement is within the academy system or local football system. There is data capture and recording on multiple fronts.

So for instance it's possible to track Danny Wellbeck, Zaha, Vardy, etc thier entire progression from as young as age 6/7 possibly younger.

All these multiple point substantiated records can not be changed and or substituted with " sworn declaration of age" as we can be done in Nigeria.

BascoVanVeli:
I still stand by my comment saying he is the best young striker in Europe right now. You have said everything else.

Delusional deduction.

edi287:
Are you mistaking Tosin for Aribo?? Aribo is a midfielder

I did think the discussion centred on Tosin Adarabioyo and my comments though out of context still remain the same.

Which is Tosin Adarabioyo is not good enough yet.

gamaliel9:
I think that League that Aribo plays is not good for him...he is more than them...he has a lot of space...but i like his tenacity...he is a fighter..a lefter-footer but uses right when needed...he is ripe to join the big boys in EPL...Aribo...hum

I talked about Aribo many many moons ago outstanding consistent top performing player in league one and club.

Better to have a Lion in a lower league and club than an anonymous mouse in a higher league and club.

ChrisKels:
liar! Aribo never played for city and he isn't a defender ,so Mr, it wasn't Aribo u watched,if u indeed watched anyone at all.

Aribo is class and destined for great things.

u have watched this, u have watched that,at the end of the day, all na wash.

You seemed to have once again murdered common etiquette as you are consistently accustomed to doing.

Gentlemanly conduct is not within your vast abilities.

My reference is to Tosin Adarabioyo who is a CB with Manchester city but has has his first loan move with West Bromwich.

With regards to your comments, we say in Warri. "Who deh follow craze man argue, himself deh craze "

Nuff Said.