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So I just found out there's something such as spirtual gluttony. Am I the only one who didn't know this?

Do you guys know of it.
Well apparently I have been guilty of it.

will it keep them from heaven?
will God say, "you woman, you wore thong underwears so you cannot enter?"

why the ridiculous topic.

Now thongs are an easy outline for bacteria to find it's way to a woman's sexual organ. It can be a health issue.

@Lady
Don't worry about seeing my face.  It's not a big deal - you may see it b/because I have seen yours.  Wait, but you have seen me at least.

Um ok. If you say so. I am waiting on the face o.

As for the shine shine on your forehead - it's even radiating here and I pray it continue to shine

Amen.

rite then, we keep praying

I got the call today. I start September 1st. I was hoping sooner than that, but the Lord's time is the best time.

i tot as much!
I think all Adas have this affinity for their mum, and not only that, they also tend to inherit every single feature of their mum, abi no bi so?

Na so. My sisters sef no come close. People think she is my sister. She's even trying to be hot mama. Talk about carbon copy.
My classmates mistook her for my twin.

sure, permission granted!!!

Thanks.

Ebos,

You sef no gree ansa my queshion.

Did you guys notice the shine shine on my head?
That was the annointing oil o.

It was my confirmation last year. I'll put up other pictures later.

no mind ebos, nobody has seen his pix except himself.

wow yr pix is enchanting and your mum is simply gorgeous!

ebos make u no go look that pix o since u no wan post your own, no look oda people own

Lol, thanks.

lady, by the way, who is John Hagee and why is he making u angry?

John Hagee is an evangelist who rouses a lot of christians to the point of hatred, even though they don't see it. They are the equivalent of the muslim terrorists. It's not just only him but a Dr. Falwel, who's now dead. John Hagee is also the guy that said the Catholic Church is the LovePeddler of babylon and then took it back.
The way he moves people is leading them down the path of hatred.

the grand reception for your homecoming will hold at the silverbird galleria with everyone present but ebos

never worry

when are u starting at yor new place?

Yay I am looking forward to coming home.

I don't know yet. I haven't received a call from the HR department, the lady has been out of the office. I found out from the man I interviewed with that I got the job and that they've processed my information. So I should get a call between now and monday

God's blessings to you my beloved catholics, i pray for the lord's guidiance and love to always be at your side both now and forever.

Amen and same to you dear.

Sweet mother, and a darling child.  Nice pix

Thank you

lady, you're just a carbon copy of your mum
nix pix   
seems your either her only daughter or her last baby, going by the way you clung to her. . . lol

Yeah if you see a pic of my mum when she was my age you will think it's me in black and white.
Lol, I am not her only daughter o nor am I the last one. I am the first, but sometimes she acts as if I am her only child.

guys,
click on the link below and . . .

Beautiful. Permission to add you as friend on facebook?

@Lady

Ok, you didn't see my pix before.   I posted my pic, though it was not full,   I have to post what I posted before but I will remove it later (tomorrow). I find it difficult to remove it if attached to my profile. But you may see my pix personally because I have seen yours.    I think, Carlosein should know that I'm his BIG SENIOR in terms of age.

The attached pix is what I posted before.  At least let Carlosein see it but he should not copy it.

Lol. I still haven't seen your face o.

@Lady,

When you are coming, don't go to Lagos because them wayo no be small and me no go show face if na Lagos. Just come to PH and Lindiwe will be around and Ebos being around too will guarantee peaceful celebration and will even play host.  Let them drive down to PH and I will be happy to receive them.

Hahahahaha. I'm not too sure, but I am trying to make it for next year christmas.
I will be in PH too. That's where I will be staying. I was born and raised there. My family stays there. Please tell me you have heard of Rainbow barracks (army)

First let me say it is quite difficult to follow you without the quoting this. I don't want to misunderstand you or make an assumption as to what you are replying to. To quote, well the way I know it, you copy what the person said, pin pointing to what you want to reply to, then when you are replying you click on the quote icon and paste what you copied. Hope that helps.

How do you mean the teaching is the same, but understanding has improved? I will contend, it is the ease of interpretation to suit our lives/needs that have improved.

Ok the interpretation helps with the understanding, so how's that different from what I said?

I think you have totally missed my point on the in-breeding line i put in there. How could Moses have been millions of years after Adam and eve when the bible dates the earth to be 7000yrs at most?

I did get your point, and I am telling you that the in-breeding (incest) rule didn't come until Moses' day. oh sorry I meant thousands from Adam to Moses.
The Bible does not in anyway imply that the earth is about 7000yrs old. I stated somewhere (don't remember where) that creation may not have been in the seven days (sunday to saturday) literally as we know it, but may have been in seven intervals of time. This is an example of the style of writing as I mentioned. We ae too quick to take things literal in the Bible when not all things are meant to be literal.
The Bible doesn't make mention of what B.C. Adam and Eve were created and then tell us what B.C Noah's Ark was built. If it does then we could be able to make the claim that the Bible states that the earth was created about 7000yrs ago.
But not only that. A lot of people have the misconception that the earth itself was formed on the first day, it wasn't. It lingered for a while. It was just there empty. The God decided to create inhabitants of the earth, that's when he started creating everything.
The order of evolution actually follows the order of the Bible. I tried to find my friend's write up on it, takes too long, so when I have more time to devote to it, I will show you.

Again, i am not talking about the story-telling style of the different books of the bible. I have questioned the contents. Unless ou tell me, Genesis didnt say cain slew abel or that it meant a different thing. I am farmiliar with different writing styles, but the crux of any literature remains the crux, regardless of the mode of delivery,

No I am not stating that, but purely that the style of writing was to send a message to the people of that time, and we have to understand history in order to understand it. Unfortunately not everyone is a historian, fortunately there are those who are and have helped us or at least broken in down for us.
Understanding the style of writing at that time will help you in understanding the messge to be grasped. Most of what is in the Bible was not to be taken literally, and that has been the problem in understanding the Bible.

For example. Tales by the moon light that were told to us while we were kids usually talked about the tortoise or the lion or the elepphant and the spider, but does that mean that the elephant and the spider communicate in that way? No, but there is a message to be learned. We usually learned of the cunning way of the tortoise the mighty way of the lion and the smart way of the spider.

Lol, I am not talking about the christainity that started post-jesus 2000 years ago. i am talking about the road map (herein called the bible) that christians use as the proof of how they came to be (a la creation, garden of eden, etc etc). So please don't patronise me.

Then be clear and concise in your posts because you weren't. You stated Christianity, so if you were talking about pre-chrisitianity state so, and don't be so confusing.

Now with that being said. Scientists make it seem that what they find disproves Christianity, but if they actually study the Bible and the way it goes, it really doesn't disprove Christianity at all, but shows their misunderstanding of it. But just as science is being explained more and more with time, so is Christianity.

Like I said the literal sense of Christianity is just plain ignorance of the Bible, and thinking that the Bible is going to outline the exact animals that were created misses the point. The Bible would be much bigger today. there is no doubt that the Bible is less detailed than science but still doesn't mean that it is wrong in the order in which things came to be.

The Bible is a law of God book, an understanding of God book, and an understanding of man book. It is not a book of when was this technology invented. That has nothing to do with the worship of God or the understanding of man's conscience and moral ways and spirit.

Again, I laugh out loud, because you just called me ignorant. Life spans do change, but as dramatically as 800yrs? with improving technology? I would have expected you to come with another angle that might have better explained it (e.g the calendar and dating system), tha is assuming they did live to be 900yrs old. LOL!!!! My dear, i am anything but ignorant,

Yes with improving technology. You cannot tell me that last two centuries when people lived longer they had the technology of today. Infact even with the improving of technology, the average life span has decreased. I know it seems so hard to comprehend, because technology is supposed to make everything better, but it hasn't. Infact it has created a whole new set of problems for us.
Notice that people who live in the country are much happier and more satisfied with life therefore leading to a higher life span than those in those in the city.
We tend to believe that when we come up with all these different technology we can make things better, but all it's done is left us even more unhappy, even with those who think they are happy (those are the one lying to themselves or are measuring hapiness materially).

When did Christianity come to Africa? lol, i know my history, I know there is a clear difference between when it first reached africa and when it started getting influential, The influence didnt reallt start until the 15th century with the portuguese. But got to North Africa and Ethiopia a lot earlier than that,

hmmmmmm. ok o.

@ TOPIC,
WE REALLY CAN'T FORCE ANYONE WHO OR WHO NOT TO BELIEVE IN YEA,
WHAT WE MUST DO IS, PUT THEM IN OUR PRAYERS YEA, TRY SHOWING
THE PERSON A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT BEING A CHRISTIAN CAN BE LIKE,REMIND THE PERSON OF ALL THE BLESSINGS GOD HAS GIVEN, AND ALL THE THINGS
HE HAS MADE, LITTLE THINGS LIKE THIS CAN MAKE HIM/HER HAVE A SECOND THOUGHT.[/color[color=#006600]](also try telling s/he bout testimonies and stuff, because during temptations like this, that when the devil
knows God is bout to give u so much blessings, so he would try to do everything possible, to stop u,
from receibing your blessing).

Ok sister, don't mean to offend you bt can you do a little spelling or grammar check before you post. We're not perfect and we may not catch all but it wouldn't hurt to do a little check.

I do aree with you though. We can only pray for them and show them through our own actions.

Lady,
Why do you assume I am an atheist just cause I question the bible?

I apologise

It amazes me how most christians are willing to wish away and pretend they understand how the earth suddenly became populated from 2people. Even though, Esau was scared of being sent east by God, because he didnt know what the 'others' would do to him.

Not all think this way. We have come a long way in understanding, the teaching is still the same but the understanding of it has improved.

Christians can't seem to explain how a diverse set of people can come from the 2people, and still remain genetically strong, even thoug we know in-breeding weakens the stock as you go down the line (not to mention the sin of incest).

Do you have samples of the first people to show that they were stronger than us today?
The incest law came in the time of Moses, millions of years after Adam and Eve.

it is amazing how noone can explain (or rather choose to ignore) literature from other people/cultures/traditions that have literature that predates christianiry and are astonishingly correct in accounts of things that can be proved and dated.

No one is disputing it or even ignoring it. We know that Christianity started 2000 years ago. We know that life existed before Christianity came to be. We have never dismissed that.
Do not mistake it to be that the Bible was written as one book and in one time period. It was written over thousands of centuries. As time went on and a book was written it was added to the previous one, over those thousands of centuries.
When reading the Bible one has to understand that the people who wrote the book wrote it over thousands of generations and the style of writing improved as time went on. The style in Genesis is completely different from the style in Ezekiel and that too is different from the style in Matthew, and Corinthians, and Revelations.
It wasn't just one person writing the books either.
Just as Zora Neal Hurston's style is different from Maya Angelou so is the style of Matthew different from John, yet they conveyed the same message.

It is amazing how christians will not ask how men could live up to 900yrs old back then, but despite technological advances, a man will be lucky to get to a 100 ( i guess we have sinned, right?) and it conveniently gets dated to the 3scores and 10.

Lolol. You just showed how ignorant you are of not just Christianity but also science. Incase you haven't noticed the life span of people do change. Just ask your doctor.

I could go on, but my angle is, just because someone comes to tell me God told him so, does not mean i wont question it, the same way i would question a pastor who performs a miracle on TV and the guy who has been blind from death can now identify all the different spectra of colors 5mins from miraculously receiving sight.

I agree you should question. I also question the pastors on t.v. if the person can immediately tell the different spectra of colours within 5 mins of receiving sight without anyone educating him or her. I won't agree.

Unfortunately for Christianity, it has been abused by so called pastors time and time again.

It is us africans that are the most laughable, buying everything that has been used to keep us down without questioning it. And this goes for religions in general, and not just christianity,

I would like to know when you think Christianity came to Africa.

why was his named changed from yahsau to jesus?

1) His name was never changed from Yeshua to Jesus. That's like saying a piece of cloth changed from rouge to red. It is the same thing.
2) We all speak different language. My grandmother an edo woman calls him Ijesu, my yoruba aunt calls him Jesu Christi.
3) Because we all speak different languages and have different cultures.

why was'nt mohammeds name or all the other founders of the major religions changed?

To my knowledge, to be muslim you also adopt the arabic culture, and names and all. Islam was introduced to the world in arabic, and that stuck.

Christianity was introduced to the world in whatever language that part of the world speaks. Making it easier to be acceptable and showing that no one ethnic group is better than the other or more superior than the other.

I don't agree with the Islamic view that when you pray in arabic it is much more accepted than God, that makes every other language and culture on earth inferior and if God wants us to speak one language as in the case of calling God Allah alone then he would have made sure we all spoke the same language and had the same culture.
All that does is drive a wedge between cultures and in so doing people.

why should people accept jesus as his name when such a name never existed at the time of yahsau?

Because rouge in french is accepted as red in english and as rojo in spanish. It is the same thing.

its smacks of some shenanigan to me by the founders of the christain religion to fit into some pattern or agenda. what has jesus got to do with yahsua?

you're basically saying what has rouge got to do with red or rojo? I say a lot seeing that they are the same.

does yahsua mean jesus  in greek?

Did you read my post that you were replying to?

any co relation between the names?

It is the same thing.
Also did you read my post that you are replying to or are you just wanting to ask questions and not looking for answers. Because I have no time for you, I have spent a great deal of time dealing with those who have no need of a response but just wish to cast doubt.

If that is your purpose I am not the one. I am deeply rooted in my faith and understand it and still learning but know the general idea and know it as truth. So go find a weakling, i am not one.

Lady, I guess the irony in that post is lost on you,

The guy claimed, Jesus will not come until everyone has heard of him. I post an image of a child in a war torn zone, whose life has been directly impacted because of people using religion to perpetuate their cause (by the way, the image is from somalia). And I wonder why God who is perfect and impartial will let that happen to a child, just because of 'accident of birth' as claimed by that poster.

I got it. Just because I don't agree with you does not mean that I did not get it.


why do people think that the only way to show that you understand them is to believe in what they believe or think what they think? or that you're stupid because you don't see things their way. Who says your way is the right way?

It's like saying "if you know anything about science you won't believe in religion or if you believe in science then you are against religion."

Why are both ends so close minded. Scientists and religious people.

ebos I no see picshure o.

mine is up by the way.

chai ebos you are not 419, i take it bak.

you be real 4120. haha.

Lololol. Comon you guys shouldn't be so harsh on ebos now.
Me sef I am expecting a nice homecoming when I come home o.
So you guys should practice with ebos.

Nna Ebos me I didn't see this "opening up" o.
Mind opening up again and stating ya name?
I'll check for ya pic.

If i don't see something in my Bible.

Then i don't wish to understand it

LOLOL You just confirmed why atheists think we're mad.
But whatever suits you

really! sounds really funny!
well, i'lll try it out shaaa!
hope i don't appear nut when i do, LOL!
thanks all the same!

Lolol oh you'll appear nuts, but that's the best part.
You won't care, because it's making you happy and that's all that maters.

Explain to this child how he offended God by accident of birth? or is he paying for his fathers' sins?

Religion did not make him that way, so quit with the finger pointing. Man made him that way evil people without consciences made him that way, some of them use religion to defend themselves, thwy are the ones that twist the Book.

Some of us are trying to come up with ways to help people like the poor boy in the picture (may God bless him). Some "religious fanatics" i.e. evangelists are busy stuck in their homes trying to make money off of religion. Trying to buy private jets and build mega churches to say oh mine is bigger than yours (the bunch of hypocrites)

However the religion teaching itself isn't what is harming people, the message of the religion is supposed to help the poor, the sick, and the dying, and help mankind and the earth survive or at least try to live in harmony.

But the people who claim to practice this religion are the ones who have twisted the word of God, for their personal gain. Believe me they will quote it but have nothing to show for it.

Don't blame religion itself, but the people who twist religion. Selfish people.

There are those who placed themselves with the poor and lived like them and try to help them feed and survive each day. They are the ones who practice what is taught by the religion.

Esau walked the surface of this earth not jesus. who is jesus and why was his named chaged from esau to jesus. why is there so much controversy about his resurrection and crucifixtion?

One his name was never Esau. If you were to live in his time and walk up to him and call him, you would call him Yeshua. He was a Jew and spoke aramaic.
Esau means red haired in hebrew.

Jesus,
hmmm, even when the letter J didnt find its way into the alphabets until a thousand years later,

Jesus is the english name for Yeshua.

For example. A girl is named Iyesogie in Edo language meaning "mother is supreme" if you were to call her in the igbo language you would call her Nneka meaning "mother is supreme"
But in essence the same thing.

Get it?

and the cat is out of the bag.

Sweetheart, the people who invented the technologies that are driving the world today did not pray to acquire that knowledge. They actually challenged the beleifs that abound in their society to prove otherwise and they did.
Charles Dawin, Leonado Da Vinci, Micheal Faradays, Thomas Edisons, Graham Bells, e.t.c all went against the odds and prooved that man could do absolutely way beyond our imaginations. You just wait till life is found on the other planets then I wonder what religion would come up with

And then the civilizations before them? What did they do? Sit back and wait for Charles Darwin, Leonardo DaVinci, Micheal Faradays? Thomas Edison?

How then did they survive? Did it just become one big caboom when Charles, Leonardo, and such walked the earth?
Go back in history and see that civilization existed and they had technology which they came up with, and they thought out of the box, and they thought ahead of their time and they created technology to move them forward, without them there would be no Charles, Thomas, Leornado.

Look I'm sure you look up to those guys, there's nothing wrong with that. I thank them for their discoveries, but I also thank those before them who were religious for their discoveries, who pushed themselves to think outside of the box. You don't have to be an atheist to think outside of the box.

I will have to find an article on one of my good friends. A scientist as well as a Catholic. He addressed the issue regarding in his faith and his profession in there. Will get that back to you.

I am looking forward to the time where you will find life on other planet.  Go and keep searching. Come back and do the 'I told you so" we'll be waiting.

this is my story too i could'nt have explained it better than you just did. wellcome to the era of reasoning instead of blind faith and believeing in meaningless dogma. that's why africa and nigeria ín particular is still the way it is.(retogressing)

This would be true, if the rest of the world was in the same situation as Nigeria. But seeing that the United States which has a high concentration of Christians, and other religous is very prosperous, your statement has no basis. it's not just the United States but also Germany, they have the best economic system, it's like in almost every drive way there's a mercedes, yet they have a high concentration of Religious people.
Same with Britain and France.
These countries were deeply rooted in religious beliefs.
The United States itself was founded on religious beliefs (Christian).

So your statement is not true. That is a known fact.

So does this mean that he cannot see the future??
Cos if we all have free will that means that he does not know what i'll do next.

Lol no ma'am, it means he respects our decisions and allows us to make our own choices. Our parents have been through life and they can tell when something is not right for us, but they know that they can't make the decision for us because we have free will. hey sit back and watch us, and hope that we will not take the wrong road, and sometimes they just have to watch us go down the wrong road so that we can learn from it and mature. Otherwise we will be as naive as ever, and as lazy as ever, and we will return back to what hurts us.

If you warn a child about fire and the child does not heed the warning, there's nothing left to do but allow her to learn. When she burns herself she will never go back, Ofcourse you are there by her side watching her to make sure that she doesn't do much damage to herself, but you allow her to get a feel of it enough to learn from it.

That is what happens with God. He warns us and sets the rules and tells us just how to protect ourselves, but we don't want to listen, time and time again, we want to do it our way, because we trust ourselves more. So he just watches, but he doesn't abandon you, when you feel just enough to learn he steps in and resuces you, and at that point you realise he was right after all.

I believe you lost the plot.
A 1000 You$D says you were born into a christian family and raised in a christian family. You were brought up to believe Jesus is the son of God, Elijah went up to heaven in a chariot of fire, He resurrected from the dead, his blood cleanses you of all your sins, e.t.c. You have taken in everything hook, line and sinker. Many years of going to church and the fear of rapture has basically made you believe it is true. This is all you know, this is what you have been indoctrinated into believing is true, you have been told not to ask any questions.

LOLOLOL you just lost $1000 USD. I not only had Christian influences but muslim influences. But truly I was born into a secular family. My mother was not a Christian, and well my dad is a lost story. I hardly made it to church, I would attend every now and then, but only when I am visiting my Christian family. I also made it near a mosque, wasn't exactly welcomed because I wasn't muslim. My religious education came in school. I always believed that God gave us three different options to getting to heaven, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Infact when I was trying to answer a question in class, I used the fork in our school ground to explain that during lunch time we all went in different directions and took different roads but it was taking us to the same place, the canteen, lol.
It wasn't when I was a bit older that my mother gave her life to Christ after he miracle, the survival of my baby brother and my mother when she was pregnant with him.
Even fter that, I never really had any religious education. I just knew what other people knew and still had the same idea that we all get there but in different directions.
I used to defend the Islamic faith especially after 911 took place. I made sure I was friends with the Afghan kids at my school and stood up for them. I explained to everyone that no where in the quran does it says kill the unbelievers, I said that the American media was just portraying it as that and making all that up.
Being from Africa, I understood, because the kids only knew about Africa because of what they saw on t.v. and I knew that wasn't true, so I figured they were lying about this too. Mind you at that time I had never opened the quran. I was exposed to some of its teachings, not all.
Actually it wasn't until I got to college that my religious life started forming. As a freshman I never went to Church. As a Sophomore I went because my roommate made me go.
I didn't really like Christians especially Catholics (ironically I am a Catholic today) I thought they were idol worshippers because of the saints and statues, never had a problem with Mary though. I thought she was a really nice woman.
But I attended Church one sunday with another roommate, and got pissed off at the pastor, because all he was doing was bashing muslims and I just couldn't stand that. Not only that, but they were praying (pentecostal) and jumping everywhere and I wasn't and my roommate was bothering me and then told me that I was not Christian enough and that I didn't praise God enough because I wouldn't stand up and jump. Well that pissed me off, and I didn't want to attend church anymore. I still went sometimes because my other roommate (my best friend), until one day I went to a Catholic Church, and I felt peace. I didn't want to leave. I couldn't stop thinking about it and just kept going back and have never looked back ever since. I didn't study the Bible much until then. Now I am in training to teach a religious education class.
So my Christian life, didn't start until 2 years ago, during my junior year in college.

So no I wasn't told all that you mentioned above, I was told a lot more than that from Christians and muslims alike. I didn't care until recently.

How sure are you that your religion is actually the right religion?? The buddists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Eckkists, and countless other religions that prevail the world over, why are you so convinced that christianity is the true religion??

Because of the miracles that I have seen in my life (in the past two years, most recently surving a terrible car accident, I know what I felt and no one can take that away from me)
Also because I have done extensive research, Christianity's history is aligned with the history of the world (at least within the past 2000 years), Islam's history is not.

Well l am not an advocate of the evolution theory, but creation is just downright ridiculous.
Speaking about the bible account of the origin of the world, I am a geologist, and we have found fossils and dated them using carbon-dating thecnique which shows that the world is way older than the bible is implying

The Bible is not implying anytime frame on the date of the earth. People just want to read too mcuh into it. Those who think that the earth has been around for only a couple million years, are ignorant and need to get more education on the issue. The one thing that pisses me off a lot are Christians who think that science is the evil. The only way to get truth is from the Bible, while I hold the Bible to be true, I also understand the style in which the writers wrote the Bible. Each book is written in a different style and as time went on the styles changed and so did languages. So it is very possible that the seven days in which the earth is created is not literal sunday through saturday, it could have very well been in seven "intervals" (for lack of a better word or description). I was talking to a friend of mine (a scientist) and he was trying to explain to me how the "evolution" of things matched the "order" of creation. I will have to contact him to get more info for you.
To me it actually supports my faith.
I also feel that as we have matured in the world and gotten more knowledge we understand creation a lot better with science.
Now people ae quick to jump to "blasphemy" but ask the Christian scientists and they will back me up (they're rare, but they are there).

You talk about the human flaws and the accuracy of the dating tools, well I think this arguement is downright ridiculous because these machines have been tried, tested and have proven to be accurate with just about a little negligible margin of error.

you do know that you just repeated what I said, right?

My dear trees are not evidence of the existence of God. It simply means that the soil on which that tree is growing is suitable for it to trive. The nutrients and soil conditions suits it very well. take away certain things and it will wither.Science has established that fact.

Lololol just because something dies or whithers does not mean that it disproves God. You also seem to forget that the soil also had to have come from somewhere. It is not just only the trees, I just wanted to name a few, but the soil that you mention is a part of it too, the sunshine that feeds the trees is a part of it too, the water is a part of it too.
It's actually amazing though. Just as we humans need food, so do the trees, so do the animals, so do living things. It amazes me how we follow the same pattern. Without food or water we die. We all seek shelter even in the wild, some of us are meant to be daywalkers and the rest nightwalkers. It doesn't disprove creation but proves it all the more.

The existence of God can never be proven because all religions are based on the same foundation which is believing without seeing (FAITH). Which as far as I am concerned is not acceptable

You don't have to, it is not a fight. No one is saying you have to believe. The problem I do have is that I respect you and your unbelief in God, but you don't respect me or my belief in God.

Moses supposedly saw God, so he was justified in his belief, why should I live my life in fear based on hearsay documented by some unknown fellow who lived several generations after the event and whose account is based on stories passed down several generations before his existence. The margin of error in the bible is way too big for me to swallow whole.
We need proof.

You don't have to believe. I believed and then I was justified. Sometimes it takes belief and then justification. This reminds me of a passage in the Bible. You don't have to believe in the Bible to get my point here, so calm down.

John 21: 24-29
24 Thomas, called Didymus, one of the Twelve, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 So the other disciples said to him, "We have seen the Lord." But he said to them, "Unless I see the mark of the nails in his hands and put my finger in his nailmarks and put my hand into his side, I will not believe."
26 Now a week later his disciples were again inside and Thomas was with them. Jesus came although the doors were locked, and stood in their midst and said, "Peace be unto you."
27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here and see my hands, and bring your hand and put it into my side, and do not be unbelieving, but believe."
28 Thomas answered and said "My Lord and my God!"
29 Jesus said to him, "Have you come to believe because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed."

It takes a lot to believe without seeing, so I understand, your skeptical, I'm not asking you not to be. I'm not aksing you to believe. I am asking you to respect my belief.

When Mary appeared in Fatima there were a lot of unbelievers there, but when they saw the miracle of the sun they came to believe. Paul himself didn't believe until he had an encounter with Jesus. So it is nothing new, to want proof or to get proof. But don't try to test God.
If he wants to show you he will and I pray that he will show you.

To the contrary I think you are wrong here. Look at the example as documented in the bible. God gave permission to Satan to hurt Job in any form he wanted but he should not kill him. That does not sit well for a God who does not want us to hurt. Job believed in him, worshipped, e.t.c. Even the Devil bore him witness before God, who could be more righteous than Job?? SO if job could get messed up, who are you.

Lolol where did I say that I can't get hurt. That was for a purpose. If you paid attention to the conversation between God and Satan, you will see that God really didn't want to hurt Job, he was pleased with him. He was protecting him from the devil. But the devil being who he is wanting to show power and said that the only reason why Job was faithful is because he's under the protection of God, so the devil tried God saying that if he were to hurt Job, Job will curse God, so God said ok go ahead, but you must not kill him (God knew what was up, he's confident like that, so he made sure that Job would be alive to benefit from his faithfulness. Truly Job never cursed God, he went through so much, and stayed faithful to God, and in the end reaped the benfits of his faithfulness.

The lesson there, always be faithful. When my accident happened my mother was so upset and it seemed like she was going to curse God, and I used this story to remind her of God's graces and love. I have lived this story.

In my opinion, humans fear what they don't understand.

This actually describes you and other atheists. You are so afraid of the unseen and what you do not understand that you bury yourself in your facts to try to disprove him, and till date you haven't.

As a Christian, I am not afraid, but very confident in God. I don't feel like I need to hide anywhere, or that I am on a race to "show those people that they are wrong, and scream aha at them"
I am actually very fine in understanding the unseen.

Left to religion alone, man would never have gone to space, researched fire, techologies would be non-existent, malaria would be a terminal disease, a fracture would be treated by amputation

On the contrary it is because of the religion and the belief in life itsef that these "religious" people have, that have pushed them forward to find solutions to the problems that we had in the past and today. Remember majority of people were religious back in the day. And a lot of the cures and technology that we have were directed or first thought of by them. It wasn't until the last two to three centuries that atheism became prevalent or an option. People invented things before then and life sustained before then, it was driven by the love of life and people in general that scientists (who were very religous) of those days were able to come up with medical advances and technology. Because of this love of life that we have, we strive for the betterment of all mankind.
Don't let today fool you, life existed before today, and people did not start inventing things today or in the last two to three centuries. Technology existed with the Romans, it existed with the Greeks, with the Persians, with the Africans and these were very religious people.
Don't mistake technology to be the latest computers, technology has always been there, it just improves.

was born into a christian home, was raised in a christian home, by christian parents, e.t.c. But until certain thing are revealed to me in black and white beyond reasonable doubt, I have chosen not be a part of the confusion called religion.

To each her own.

@ Marod

How about you muslims leave the "corrupt" book alone and stop trying to validify your "infallible" book from it. If the quran is so infallible, then you should be satisfied with it. It should give you the answers that you need. Now leave ours alone, thank you.

If you cannot clearly explain your own beliefs and fill in the gaps in your religion with your own infallible book, the your book isn't infallible.

I know they threaten to kill you if you leave the faith, that only shows that they do not care for your life.

But hey that is your dilemma. Leave us alone.

Thank you.

I thought this should make us laugh a little.



"One day a group of scientists got together and decided that man had come a long way and no longer needed God. So they picked one scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with Him.

The scientist walked up to God and said, "God, we've decided that we no longer need you. We're to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous things, so why don't you just go on and get lost."

God listened very patiently and kindly to the man and after the scientist was done talking, God said, "Very well, how about this, let's say we have a man making contest." To which the scientist replied, "OK, great!"

But God added, "Now, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam."

The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.

God just looked at him and said, "No, no, no. You go get your own dirt


http://www.getyourowndirt.com/

Enjoy!!!

Wll I saw this and just had to comment

I ask you the same thing about the Jews; how can they take over what does not belong to them? Did you watch CNN's Jewish God Warriors, hosted by Christiana Amanpour, last evening? The Jews are claiming Abraham as their father, hence Palestine is theirs. Let me ask you, was Abraham an ethnic or religious Jew?

Question, is Abraham the father of Isaac? Or was there another man that is the father of Isaac? Is Isaac the father of Jacon or was it another man? Is Jacob (Isreal) the father of the Isrealites or was it another man?
If Abraham was the father of Isaac, and Isaac the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of the Isrealites (Jews) then wouldn't that make Abraham the father of the Jews?
Now who lacks reasoning.

You know I read the sura that said that Abraham was a muslim and tried to justified it here:

"O People of the Bok! why do you dispute about Abraham, when the Torah and the ospel were not revealed till after him; do you not then understand? behold! you are they who disputed about that of which you had knowledge; why then do you dispute about that of which you have no knowledge? And Allah knows while you do not know. Abraham was not a Jew or a Christian but he was (an) upright man a muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists. Most surely the nearest of the people to Abraham are those who followed him and this Prophet Muhammad and those who belive and Allah is the guardian of the believers" Sura 3:65-68.

So the question is this. If ABraham was not a Jew because the Torah was not revealed until after he lived, and he wasn't a Christian because the Gospel was not revealed until after he lived, how then is he a muslim, if the quran was not revealed until after the Torah and the Gospel and until after Abraham lived?

Talk about illogical muslims.

If it is because he was an upright man, then he could have easily been a Jew or a Christian. On the basis that the book was not revealed until after his death, he is not a muslim either.

You you and the Jews forgot that he was an Iraqi or that Judaism was not a religion in his lifetime? The brain for academics is actually not the same for common knowledge. If it were, the Jews would have awoken to their wrong assumptions

You also forgot that ISLAM was NOT a religion in his time. Lol at Abraham being an Iraqi. Iraq never existed at that time, Where Iraq is where the Babylonians were, and still that was after Abraham's time. Abraham did not even settle anywhere close to that area. His burial place was in Macpelah facing Mamre (present day Hebron) well we know where Hebron is or do I need to educate you on that.

It would be nice if you could actually use history and geography to prove me wrong. So no need to beat around the bush calling each other names, just use history and geography to prove me wrong.

And the crusaders did a very poor job. Alas, there are more Muslims in Jerusalem, today than the Christians. But wait don't the christians find it ironic that the Jews are persecuting the Palestinian Christians, just as much as the muslims? What are you going to do about a new crusade to help just the Palestinian Christians? I am sure you will ignore this tinnie winnie question, when next you produce what you think is a response. Everyone should take a note what david will do.

Alhaji first of all go and grow up, learn to reason like an adult. Between you and David who is the father and who is the son?
Second, no one denies the crusades, even though it was in self defense I do not condone it. The Pope has apologised for it, but you see we still don't continue in killings of innocent people. You're religion however, is based on that. The killing of innocent people. The Christians did not attack anyone, and for more than 3 centuries took the beating from muslims. You come to me and tell me that you are my friend yet you have it in your mind to kill me, you expect me to accept you?
No one says that what the Jews are doing are right. I think they can very well get along without this whole religious dispute. But it's not going to be that, because for the muslims it is all about religion, as well as for the Jews, you both are as guilty as ever.
The crusaders captured Jerusalem at first until it returned to muslims.
So it worked.

Until after september 11, 2001, I have never heard of Wahhabists, wahhabism, etc. It it exist, it was more of a religious group. Just because they are not intending to mix with the west or accept everything they do, could not be automatically be taken as wanting to ruin the western people?

Wahhabists existed before 9/11 so did the taliban, and hezbollah, and al qaeda. It is one thing to say that they are just a religious group, but they are being funded by muslim nations, that makes it political.

Or could it, from your own thinking? I do not eat pork for example. But that does not mean that I will personally destroy every pig I see. I do not want to be a Christian or want to go to Church. But I have no hatred toward neither Christians because they are Christians, nor the Churches because they are the places of their worships

Then you are not a muslim. Your quran calls you to do so.

Your hypocrisy will not let you see that the Christians and Jews, as the major examples have not practiced live and let live with the Muslims. The Christians have always intended to christianized the muslims. If you are not aware of it, have the gut to watch Youtube's Christian Missionary Atrocities. The Jews have turned God to an ethnic belonging rather than what God truly is, The Creator of all, without any exception, who deserves the worship of everyone of us.

Well I can certainly agree with you on this, especially on the Jews. But take note not all Christian missions are to turn people into Christianity, especially the Catholic missions. We are to help people, if you want to convert fine, if not, fine. You will still eat, and drink, and bathe, and have aplace to live, and have a school to attend. Point is to help people.

Then check out Islamic perception of God-human relationship; the human attain closeness, to God only by their Worship of Him, alone and doing good deeds for His pleasures. We call this God consciousness in obedience and piety. (Iman and Taqwa!).

Hmm look at that, you are adopting a Christian view of things. I thought a relationship with Allah is not possible.

can't hurt myself, been practising because i knew He'd do it as usual

LOLOLOL.

catch ya all tomorrow, Deo Volente.

Glory be to Jesus and Honour to Mary and Joseph.

Forever and ever.

BYE.

I have to go myself.

Peace to all

Now, the question is, is there holy war in christianity? If yes, what is its divine principle and modalities. If no, then, the acts of killing and persecutions in their crusades is nothing but terrorism. And I think crusades is also historical now. When you lay claim that muslims conquered Jerusalem, can you explain chrnologically how it was caried out; you only claim ignorantly they raped and killed which fall short of evidence

Do not for one minute try to define Christianity with the tenets of ISlam. We are nothing like you. We are not barabric as you are.
We defended ourselves, when you sought to kill us all, and you still do today.

People like you make me sick.

You know what I can't even come back to this board. It will only make me angry. Islam is evil and I found out first hand.

Thats only to the Middle east. What you call the "holy land." Long before then, the European Christians have been making incursions, if you will, minor crusades, here and there in the Continental Europe. I remember you and i had this conversation before. I provided a material source to prove you wrong. Go back to my writing.

LOLOLOL You are not even worth my time. You should be ashamed for your age. To be so naive, is appalling.
It is one thing if history supports it, but it doesn't.

I keep asking, show me through history. But you all can't, because you know it is a lie that you have been told.

HOLY WARS are permited in Islam and it has modality, this is even supported by Quran verses. The principle which is always conditional and its should be followed accrodingly which inturn leads to their success. Thus, the secret of succession for muslims allover being the fact it was divine wars against the "unbelievers".

That is the problem. I am so sorry that you don't see it. Would it be alright if the Christians and Jews declare a Holy War on the muslims, come in and rape your mother and your sisters, steal everything you have worked for? Because of their beliefs. To us you are the infidels. So what would make it wrong for us to come and kill you off. If so the Iraq war is  not wrong.
That is where the anger comes from against the muslims. That your god is evil, that he wishes to kill innocent people. Who made the muslims better than the everyone else.

It was not divine wars, it was hatred from a man, because he wasn't accepted.

How can you open your mouth and say that ISlam is a peaceful religion when it is filled with nothing but hatred.

But you know I will only pray for your heart, that it will become free from hatred. It only leads to evil.

I believe you will agree with me that there has not being any prophet that came and that was ever accepted. They wage war against them, to kill them as well as their followers

No one waged war against muhammad, he was ignored and that pissed him off.

Some asked God to destory them due to their continuous disobidient while others were killed. Likewise when Muhammad(pbuh) came, this man was preaching oneness of God to them like other prophets, as people act, they wage war to kill him and his followers

No one waged war against Muhammad he was ignored and that pissed him off.

The early holy wars fought by muslims was to defend themselves against oppressors and idolators which has legal permission accordingly.

No one tried to oppress Muhammad they didn't care for him, and that pissed him off.

None of the prophets of old preached of killing the infidels.

I believe most of your concern are the subsequent expansion of muslims which you ignorantly lay claim as terrors; especially the conquest of Jerusalem.

No we didn't give a rat's behind as to the beliefs of Muhammad, when Muhammad's followers killed Christians and Jews, the Christians decided to elp themselves. Have you ever heard of self defense.
It's funny, Islam says if you attack us we will defend ourselves, no one was attacking islam, islam attakced everyone and then everyone decided to defend themselves.
What did you expect us to sit and wait for you to kill us?

All the subsequent holy wars by muslims was against the unbelievers, aggressive, oppressive and tyranny leaders to free people from slavery.

No one was in slavery. Islam put everyone is slavery, remember until they consider themselves subdued

The jews and christians were also included: Quran refer to them as people of the book

Meanwhile the muslim aologetics will say that no we are not asked to kill people of the book, infact allah says that they will make it to heaven. Well tell allah to make up his mind, is it kill the people of the book or be ok with them because they will make it to heaven.

Those of them whom we are to fight are those who are People of the Book in name only, but who in reality, have no valid belief at all, and who do not consider forbidden that which God has forbidden, even what He has forbidden in their own religion

Then you should go and kill off muslims too because I know of a lo of them that do not adhere to the quran, so do you want their names and addresses? Be mindful that you are not supposed to kill a muslim.

So it is not with all the People of the Book that we are to fight, but a group from amongst them. Islamically, if God did not prevent some people by means of other people, ruin and corruption would become the rule everywhere. Thus the essence of Holy war in Islam.

There was none of this until Islam came. the people that were persecuted were the people of the book, people of the book knew muhammad was a bold faced liar, and ignored him, muhammad was an egotistic man who didn't accept it, and waged war against them.

The modality of wars in Islam will give you a clear picture whether it is a form terror we are talking about or not.

according to whom, you or me. you scream terror when we defend ourselves, yet you are the one that starts the fight. when you come into my house and try to kil me you are a murderer, when you come into my house you are a terrorists. plain and simple
There was some level of peace in the world until islam came and decided to kill everyone.

Moreso, you will be able to compare and contrast the wars muslims fought with crusades and Jews believe on wars and and see which is more of terrorists

Whomever started the fight is the terrorists. ISlam is the terrorist.

When Islam has legalized warfare, what kind of warfare, in terms of the particular conditions of war, does Islam see as legal, and what kind of war does it see as forbidden? For example, does Islam consider the killing of a whole people to be lawful or forbidden? Does Islam view as permissible the killing of those who have not lifted the sword: old women, children, men who are peacefully engaged in their jobs and trades? Killing of animals, destory of properties etc. Is the killing of all these in the view of Islam permissible or forbidden?

That is exactly what Islam did. I'm sorry that it has been removed from your history books, but go and find out from the rest of the world, that is what islam did. i am sorry that you have been lied to all your life, but seriously go and get educated first and then come and have this conversation with me.

@Lady, continously lay claim muslims killed and raped in war; in her mouth still wallowing ignorantly.

history does not lie.

Thus, we cannot say that because we are the advocates of peace, we are opposed to war. Such a thing would mean that we are advocates of misery; advocates of surrender. Make no mistake, peace and surrender are as different from each other as chalk and cheese. The meaning of peace is honorable coexistence with others, but surrender is not honorable coexistence; it is coexistence that on one side is absolutely dishonorable. In fact, it is a coexistence that is absolutely dishonorable on both sides. On one side, the dishonor is aggression, and on the other side, it is the dishonor of surrender in the face of zulm, in the face of injustice and oppression.

good so now you know that there is no honourable coexistence in islam.
it is so funny how two faced you are. you live in the west and whine all the time at how people single you out and judge you because you are muslim, yet those living in your lands know no peace.

So this fallacy must be eradicated, and a person who declares himself opposed to war, saying that war is totally bad - be it injustice or be it defense and resistance in the face of injustice - has made a great mistake

you just supported the crusades, because the crusades was only in defense of attacks from the muslim world.
no one oppressed muslims, they didn't even care for you guys.

Also, the Jewish believe in holy wars is well cited in the old testament as their claim in the torah of Moses. The Jews believed they were given a divine order to kill every human being who became an obstacle in their way:
"in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you" (Deut 20:16–17). And they belief they are being supported by God.
"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations … then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy" (Deuteronomy 7:1–2). This "divine" order was followed to the letter: "At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them—men, women and children. We left no survivors" (Deut 2:34).

Make no mistake, that was for a particular time and it was towards a people that oppressed the Jews, it was not an order for eternity.
Islam is an order for eternity and has never been oppressed, but has always been the oppressor. Do not mistake both.

Also in christianity that most of them lay claim to being peace with no war. The idea was concieved 1000 years ago, maybe the following realization got to their head:
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" (Mat 10:34).

hahaha look at you trying to twist the words of Jesus. The sword is not physical, it doesn't mean take up arms and kill people. It does not call for war with people but a spiritual war against the devil, the world (secularism) as in not get caught up in the celebrities and how t please a man cosmos, and the flesh (sins) as in adultery, fornication, murder, lies, stealing. The Christians never waged war on others, they were the ones running for their lives.
A Christian's war is not a physical war, but a spiritual war.

However, I have not come hear to judge, but for your own reasoning, redeaming your thinking of what is holy war and terrorism.

I will pray for you and your evil mind.

Now tell me, if the crusades was made holy they would have succeeded in acquiring jerusalem, however not, christians are still the lowest populace occupant in Jerusalem up till today

So because the muslims called their war holy it meant victory for them. You are an idiot and a bonafide idiot at that, you have no idea how wars work. Go and get educated on world history and wars and come back to me. No apologies for my statement. Sometimes it has to be pointed out so that your eyes will open.

Byzatine was not initially under Islamic but zazanid administration(313-636) which was contolling jerusalem after several conquest. people in byzatine had already practicing Islam

You may not know this but Muhammad received his "revelations" from(570-632). That doesn't comply with your information on Islam in the Byzantine.

War on byzatine was the same reason I mention earlier which muslims were successful. Islam was rulling byzatine which jerusalem was under them; thus ottoman empire. Now tell me the act of terror commited to conquer Jerusalem. Now see my relevant "took over" i used. If you want more details of this historical concept, I will tell you, never mind if your soul could comprehend it.

Oh I comprehend it perfectly, I comprehend just how evil you are. So if the Jews and Christians today were to go on a Holy war and acquire those lands back it would be ok.

It's soo sad how one man's evil has spread sooo much and has lead to ignorance and idiocrisy.

As for christian attacked on jerusalem in 1099, more than 60,000 inhabitants, both Jewish and Muslim, were slaughtered in cold blood. And if we reflect on the level of inter-religious dialogue in past centuries, dialogue between Jews and Muslims is easier than dialogue between Jews and Chrisitians. Indeed, dialogue between Jews and Muslims was much more extensive in the past.

Blind bat go and read your history again, but this time make sure it is telling you the truth.

The present terrorist attacked is more of politics than religion as u've been told. It was more prominent from 09-11 event. If there should be any religious war in Islam, it should be declared by commander of faith. What Islam proclaim is peace and Justice. And not mistaken, peace is not submission.

Islam is both religious and political.
Islam proclaims peace and justice for muslim men, not women either.
If peace is not submission, why do you not see why Christians and Jews don't view Islam as peace, as submission is all we're asked to do.
Noone is asking you to submit. I could careless if you want to continue in your belief. I am asking you to leave me alone. And whenI say me, I mean all Christians, and when I say you, I mean all muslims. Leave us alone. If you want to inhabit your land, no one is stopping you, pray to allah all you want, just let us be.

It's funny that you come here, and say this meanwhile you muslim counterparts will quote this
Say unbelievers I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship, you have your own religion adn I have mine. Sura 109:1-6.

So where did the religion of you worship yours and I worship mine go. It does not single out a few unbelievers but all unbelievers.

what is silly about the question? It's either you answer him/her or you decline to do so? Why call him silly because he asked a good question? people for nairaland sha.

Get some logic please. Understand their religion. You don't like it, too bad, respect it.
Tongues are only given as gifts at the prompting of the Holy Spirit, they don't eve believe in the Holy Spirit.

@Mustay, if you guys don't speak in tongues, how do you communicate with God without satan listening?

Not all Christians speak in tongues, are you insinuating that when Christians pray the devil is listening in on the conversation?
By the way gibberish is not speaking in tongues, shamamamamamananananamamama, jubbiiititieirieiei, is not tongues. Anyone can speak gibberish and try to pass it of as tongues.

oh dear, that's good to know! we rejoice with you, even though we know that many more good stuff are on their way. . . just get ready to receive 'em all!

Thank you sooo much. I am very excited and looking forward to many blessings. I will not waver in faith, always trusting God. IT WORKS TO TRUST GOD!!!!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOWOWOWOWOWOWOOWOWO somersaults and lands on his feet over and over again.

LOLOLOLOLOL WATCH YOUR BACK, DON'T HURT YOURSELF!!!!!
Thanks for being happy for me

yes lady, guess God doesn't fail and Our Lady too.

i am soo soo happy for you. we all are!

Thank you soo much. He never fails. I have a much deeper appreciation for Our Lady. I have watched myself transformed since I started my devotion to her.

guys,
my period of 'enjoyment' here in Lag is somewhat over as i'll be returning once again to my 'dungeon' tomorrow . . . LOL

well, hope to keep in touch from there!

awww you can enjoy yourself anywhere. Just do what I do and start playing music in your head, and dance to it, without thinking of anyone watching you or catching you do it. You'll be amazed, let go of your inhibitions.

carl,
i never knew you could be this naughty

Who know eh?

You stated that you needed answers. We are not God only he can ease the hurt and grant the best answers, but you have to not approach it as a test to him. Don't let it be a "if I don't get answers, I will stop believing" you will be the one to loose out in the end.

But I wil surely try.

*If God knew Satan was going to turn bad and unleash anguish in the world and cause mankind's downfall and untold suffering, why did he go ahead to create him?

In so much as God loves us he does not impose on us. He grants us free will and same to the angels. The devil chose to challenge God's authority and try to take on the position of God.
God also created man don't forget that, and man can be evil, unless your friend is  trying to say God shouldn't have created him.

*Salvation is unfair. He was born into a christian home, as I was. How did that accident qualify us for salvation? What about untold millions who happen to be born into muslim and Buddhist and Shinto homes: They all believe in their God as passionately as we believe in ours. If they happen to be wrong, because they were born and raised in religions different from ours through no fault of theirs, they now go to hell?

Well I must say your friend is quite childish here, don't mean to offend him though.
One is not qualified for salvation because of the family that they are born into. Salvation is not open to only those who are born Christians. Salvation is open to all, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, yes all. The problem arises when someone hears the gospel and doesn't heed to the call. After hearing the gospel it is up to them to believe, but if they choose not to believe then that is their fault. Also just because a person is a Christian does not mean that they are saved or that they be counted "in the number" on the last day. As a Christian, you ahve to strive for salvation, strive for holiness, it doesn't just happen one time. Just as you fall into the graces of God, you can also fall out of it. The simplest way for this is complacency, which we are all guilty of. Rather than be zealous and striving for the Kingsom, we take that walk down the aisle and say yes to God with our mouths, but not in our hearts, and then go home and do nothing. We even read the Bible and pray day and night, yet it is in vain when we do not put our faith into action, when we do not live our faith.
So please let him know that it is not the family that we are born into but the choices that we make.
There are Christians who have lost the faith and have become atheists, and muslims, and buddhists, and all but Christians, and then are muslims, and buddhists, and hindus, and atheists that have become believers in the only Living God.

*What about all the evidence and all the science that backs up evolution? What about the human skull that was found in Kenya, 12 million years old? Adam and Eve till the present day did not accrue even ONE million years, as their genealogy in Mattews shows

Well your friend has made some very wrong assumptions here. In thinking that the Adam and Eve have only existed for 1 million years, and also in thinking that the Bible states exactly how long it has been since the creation of Adam and Eve to present day, especially 1 million years.
Your friend is reading something completely wrong into the Bible.
When ever I think of evolution, I wonder if humans are full of flaws, how much so the creation of a human. The facts used to determine the age of the earth is also a human creation, unless someone is trying to explain to me that facts don't have a percentage of error or that it wasnt created by humans and the measurement of it is not created by humans, or the definition of it is not created by humans, or that humans are flawless.
No scientist has been able to prove any of the above.

*Why has no Christian proven the existence of God beyond all doubt?

My dear facts by humans do not measure God.
God is all around you, take a step outside and lok at the trees, look at the people, there is God in everything. The proof of the exisence of God is you, take a look at yourself, tell your friend to take a look at himself.
It is not just only Christians that believe in God, muslims, Jews, and other religions do. They know of a higher being. Now their understanding of thehigher being may be wrong, but they do not deny that it is there.

*Why is there so much suffering? Why does God allow terrible things to happen, where million of lives are lost?

God gave us free will and he respects it. God doesn't want us to hurt but we choose to be hurt, by denying him, and doing things our way.
Without our free will we will be nothing but robuts. That is a very boring life.

hey people,
hoping y’all had a splendid weekend!

it’s yet another day and another week. . . we’re all back to the usual hustle & bustle once again!
but I’ll like to encourage us to have in mind that God does indeed have a perfect plan for each and everyone of us; a plan that He formed before we were born. discovering that plan isn’t about figuring things out on our own – it’s about finding Him! If we persist in asking Jesus to show Himself to us, we’ll surely find Him. and finding Him, we will find our calling! and as we draw closer to Jesus in prayer, we’ll develop a gentle hunger to do His will – we’ll be more able to discern it.

So people, let’s take the first step by surrendering our ALL to Him today, and know that He will guide US!

Have a great day y’all!

Please remember to participate in the ongoing novena in honour of the Assumption of our Mother Mary into Heaven! This is one of her principal feasts and it’s key to all her children, of which YOU and I are one!

Hi Lindi,
How r u?
Thanks for this wonderful thoughtful message.
I had a very blessed weekend, I felt sick on a day that I was to attend the Magnificat meal for the first time, I was soo dissapointed, but I am looking forward to the next one.

I hope your weekend was great.

lady, not to worry we haven't forgotten your intentions. just keep holding onto the Lord and His mother.

take care.

Carl, I have wonderful news. I got the job that I interviewed for. Thank you all so much for your prayers, and thank Our Lord and Our Blessed Mother for listening to me at my tme of need.

Glory to Jesus
Honour to Mary.

What kind of nonsense is this?

Please go and learn about their religion and don't ask silly questions. Thanks.

Lady, may our lady of perpetual help, be your help this period.

Thanks, how r u?