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Only intelligent citizens can be governable. we fall into the category of lab rats - used and abused and dumped after use regime after regime after regime.

The myth the Political elite have created is a united Nigeria in threat of being disunited - and you fell for it

^^^ now a breakup would not really be a bad idea would it. at least each region gets to deal with corruption and there are no ethnic umbrellas to deal with

I just received a call from a friend in Abuja that a suspect in the UN Bombings has revealed that there is a BOMB on 3rd Mainland Bridge. I hear that it is been sealed this very moment to prevent any casualties. If the account from the interrogation is true.

Who knows where else other Bombs have been placed in Lagos - High traffic areas must be avoided

Can anyone close to Yaba confirm that 3rd Mainland has been sealed

philip0906:
Where is lagerwhenindoubt? he should please come and prove his claim,dat God is not seen Physically or that no one has seen God. . .

I expect you would have come around the same conclusion that a creator who imparts a miniscule of his omniscient qualities to humans automatically limits their ability to see him, which is why he is either a burning bush, white cloud of smoke, a tongue of fire or a voice in the wind. It needs no proving, no man nor science can see GOD - I bet you want to ask why again 

By the way I had to dash down to DSTV office to renew my subscription and there is a lot of traffic aguda-side

I sincerely wish the boko haram movement will kill any number from 5,000 and above,these small number killings are not arousing a Situation in this country's leadership

sexkillz:
Are you saying that if two things are SYNONYMOUS that they CANT be Used interchangeably? Or am i missing something?

I DONT KNOW either! What do you THINK?

God >>>>> EXISTS>>>> Has not been seen PHYSICALLY - Believed in BY MANY!

5, CIRCLE, TIME>>>>> EXISTS >>>Has not been seen PHYSICALLY - Believed in by MANY!

There is a common error in thought going by your position above. let me explain
TIME: not seen physically but proven to have an undeniably measurable and repeatable influence in physical reality
PERFECT CIRCLE: not seen physically but proven to be useful in material (physical) constructs from footballs to ball bearings etc
GOD: not seen physically but claimed to have an undeniably unmeasurable, non-proveable, non-repeatable influence on physical reality. FAITH is the only glue to this claim.

There is a big difference right there

sexkillz:
I actually do! I also know why we are here and where we are headed! But until i'm able to discern clearly that you guys are open to reason, i wont spill! Until you stop picking irrelevant holes from arguments, this TOM & JERRY responses from me WONT STOP! Have you seen any thing CREATED without a reason? What makes you think Whoever it is that CREATED man DID not have a reason for doing so?

I did not say man does not have a purpose or designs do not have one, obviously this reality is driven by purpose, but what is man's purpose on earth and afterwards. I can only theorize and not say for certain. for me it is like sticking my thumb in the air and saying "Hey I think we are heading that way!" but since you claim to know for Certain.I am open to reason. even if it is a private email i do not mind, this among numerous mysteries of life I would like answered. care to be generous with your answers

@sexKillz (in some bizarre circumstances sexkillz)

I had hoped to summarize the answers to your questions by providing insight after the fact to allow us progress to the next level (my question) but you have stubbornly refused to see this so i will take your questions. and forgive me for jumping the gun but i presume that "Creator"="God" which i think is your End-Game so why waste braincells avoiding the inevitable  

Do you promise that you will give me an answer whether you agree with my answer or not? and you solemnly swear that your answer would not be tainted with insults but rather laid bare with Truth (which ever flavor you choose) and maturity, Do you? I expect you would so i will lay bare my answer to your question.

Time [/b]may not exist at the most fundamental level of physical reality, (not proven to be non-existent) The Planck scale is a concept of time where even attoseconds drag by like eons. It marks the edge of known physics, a region where distances and intervals are so short that the very concepts of time and space start to break down. [b]But is is undeniable that time is obviously and tyrannically omnipresent in our own experience. This situation is known as "The Problem of Time" In essence the past, present, and future are not absolutes thus the best way to think of quantum reality is to give up the notion of time (a timeless universe) as odd as this situation is one asks the obvious question why does time always points to the future even when no physics laws restricts it from moving backward   if it marches forward then it must have an origin (an initial condition and conceivably a final condition)

A perfect circle cannot be constructed simply because at an atomic level, a circle really is a collection of points (polygons) which are not spheres, our mind visualizes the perfect circle just as our eyes visualize 3-d information when we actually see in 2-d (surprising how the mind works is it not)

permit me to point you to my previous post on your number 5 question because it is tasking summarizing mathematical logic. I will leave it as I DO NOT KNOW

Since you have hinted we are not talking Religion but Theism, I will leave out Biblical Scripture from this discussion. (makes it less tedious)

I repost again and be kind to note I make no claims to knowledge of the "unknown" but simply ask questions to fill a gap,if you know please enlighten me

Can A Creator be Created? - Even the concept of time exposes a quality of Origin which we can discern from Present condition (which would be future a few atto seconds from now and PAST thereafter) It means it has a beginning. other than that, I do not have the knowledge to answer your question without solid proof. I can only theorize (unless you a a fan of theories)

lagerwhenindoubt:
Creation and Existence are on 2 different dimensions but can be perceived from the same level of conciousness. The Bible reveals a palatable answer to the origins of God right from Genesis. (I will get to this in a moment)

The Concept of a Universal Creator is valid from the perspective of Cause and Effect i.e God must have "caused" creation and by applying (natural) human reasoning which I hope you can agree has evolved over the centuries, a bias for a Creator who is pre-existent thus existing before creation is formed. IMHO this line of reasoning (often referred to as Revelation by Theists) is misconceived largely because human reasoning at the ages was based on available information (awareness) of the surrounding environment which man knew little of.

To Exist essentially implies that the subject has no discernible nor measurable point of origin and conceivably no finite close to its existence - hence It is Eternal (not to be mistook for Immortal). The dilemma in this is that every quality in the "Creators" designs (asides from the hint of structural physiological  semblance) has no genealogical link to the "Creator" (unless you wish to delve into Spirit and Souls which can taint the argument unfairly)

If we focus on the question of origins of which centuries of arguments has till date not unravelled, we lose sight of the most important question. What is the Creator's Purpose? The "Creator" (If we choose to follow a Theistic approach) mandates his creations with a purpose (this is Biblically and Scripturally and Atheistically palatable)

If you know the Purpose, you will have a grip on the Origin. I would rather ask the question, What is the Creator's Purpose? is it to Create? I would like a Theistic view on this perhaps the answer to the Origin will reveal itself.

sexkillz:
Why dont you atleast try to answer the questions first! Or just say YOU DONT KNOW!

I also asked if a CREATOR can be CREATED? Can you answer that >>>>>>>>SIR?

My answer (depends on your definition - see my earlier post)

lagerwhenindoubt:
Creation and Existence are on 2 different dimensions but can be perceived from the same level of conciousness. The Bible reveals a palatable answer to the origins of God right from Genesis. (I will get to this in a moment)

The Concept of a Universal Creator is valid from the perspective of Cause and Effect i.e God must have "caused" creation and by applying (natural) human reasoning which I hope you can agree has evolved over the centuries, a bias for a Creator who is pre-existent thus existing before creation is formed. IMHO this line of reasoning (often referred to as Revelation by Theists) is misconceived largely because human reasoning at the ages was based on available information (awareness) of the surrounding environment which man knew little of.

To Exist essentially implies that the subject has no discernible nor measurable point of origin and conceivably no finite close to its existence - hence It is Eternal (not to be mistook for Immortal). The dilemma in this is that every quality in the "Creators" designs (asides from the hint of structural physiological  semblance) has no genealogical link to the "Creator" (unless you wish to delve into Spirit and Souls which can taint the argument unfairly)

If we focus on the question of origins of which centuries of arguments has till date not unravelled, we lose sight of the most important question. What is the Creator's Purpose? The "Creator" (If we choose to follow a Theistic approach) mandates his creations with a purpose (this is Biblically and Scripturally and Atheistically palatable)

If you know the Purpose, you will have a grip on the Origin. I would rather ask the question, What is the Creator's Purpose? is it to Create? I would like a Theistic view on this perhaps the answer to the Origin will reveal itself.

SysUser:
a good sign of the beginning of the end, a time when peace is more valuable than truth.

WOrd!!

sexkillz:
Largerwhenindoubt!
Have you seen TIME, PERFECT CIRCLE, and 5?

Why do you believe in their EXISTENCE if you have'nt seen them PHYSICALLY?

My fake time answer was intended to draw your stingy response which you did  you actually try to link science with the creator 
Time is a human rationalization based on misinterpretation - is it okay then to say that God is actually a human rationalization based on misinterpretation since we cannot prove it therefore make it up to rationalize our own existence ? I must admit our short discourse has taxed me mentally, "spiritually" and alcoholically  but IMHO neither theists nor atheists have the answer  which is why in all situations both start the journey of enlightenment with great fervor but never seem to reach the end.

Admit it, you do not know why you are here and where you are headed, just like many you have rationalized a lot and founded your beliefs on misinterpretation

sexkillz:
The way you guys actually look for proof to everything baffles me! Is it not Obvious? There are SOME things that cannot be proven to EXIST! but does that mean the dont?

Take TIME for example! Can you Prove TIME? Does it EXIST? Have you SEEN it? Do you Believe IT?
A PERFECT CIRCLE! Can you Prove IT?  Does it EXIST? Have you seen it? Do you Believe IT?
The number "5"! Can you Prove it? Does it EXIST? Have you seen "5"?

Belief in something does not MEAN you ALWAYS have to prove it's existence!

But i'll like anyone to GIVE ME SOME ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS!!!

*********WAITING*********

^^^ Do Blackholes exists?, we know they do but we cannot see them. the only reason we know they exists is because they have a provable effect on their surrounding environment i.e sucking in light sources (bending light  )

Time Exists because it is a measurable pivot on which physics  rests

your Number 5 problem is experimental mathematics known as proof by contradiction (not useful if you are looking for direct proof)

I did not figure a theist to be least fond of Scientific ventures but it is good to know anyway  

The reason for the question is not whether it exists but why would it since it cannot provide collateral nor direct evidence that it does. the possibility exists and is not discounted, just as a theist cannot heal himself everyday by faith alone - science and medicine must come into play

How about giving me some insight into my question

sexkillz:
LOL @ looking for purpose of a Creator you dont believe exists! Neither do ATHEISTS know where their life came from! You bothered finding out where you life came from? If ATHEISTS finally find where their life came from, then they would know the purpose of whatever it is that gave them life! Always asking questions! CONFUSED PATHETIC BUNCH!

Living up to your reputation i see  . obviously you engage others purely for the purpose of irritation neither enlightenment nor inquiry. which is why you automatically assumed my posts were atheistic in character. I asked what would seem a simple question to theists and rather than provide an answer, you ask another question that does not even provide an insight to the first and reinforce it with insults to make it stick.
Similar to a Faith question i posed a few months back - being the foundation of most theistic religions, no one was able to fathom how faith works and if it can be put to the test, yet it works. Ok show me methodically how to work it. and every theists went silent, If you cannot answer a question, at least have the honesty to say " I don't know the answer" if I had the answers I won't bother asking - is that out of place

As I mentioned earlier, it seems a wild-goose hunt to determine the origin of a subject without defining its purpose. What is the creator's purpose? else y'all will be prancing about in circles like two yoruba area boys in a fight. end up getting frustrated and not landing a blow

It seems this is the ultimate ending of every Theist vs. Atheist thread on Nairaland

some things cannot be reasoned with - you just have to accept sexkillz this is a full-time job for him (keeping the flock 2gether)

If you have to listen to a song over and over and over and over and over and over and over again until it grows on you then YOU HAVE BEEN BRAIN-WASHED -Seriously.

Nigerian Stations are fond of playing songs so often your ears eventually give in and surrender

Creation and Existence are on 2 different dimensions but can be perceived from the same level of conciousness. The Bible reveals a palatable answer to the origins of God right from Genesis. (I will get to this in a moment)

The Concept of a Universal Creator is valid from the perspective of Cause and Effect i.e God must have "caused" creation and by applying (natural) human reasoning which I hope you can agree has evolved over the centuries, a bias for a Creator who is pre-existent thus existing before creation is formed. IMHO this line of reasoning (often referred to as Revelation by Theists) is misconceived largely because human reasoning at the ages was based on available information (awareness) of the surrounding environment which man knew little of.

To Exist essentially implies that the subject has no discernible nor measurable point of origin and conceivably no finite close to its existence - hence It is Eternal (not to be mistook for Immortal). The dilemma in this is that every quality in the "Creators" designs (asides from the hint of structural physiological  semblance) has no genealogical link to the "Creator" (unless you wish to delve into Spirit and Souls which can taint the argument unfairly)

If we focus on the question of origins of which centuries of arguments has till date not unravelled, we lose sight of the most important question. What is the Creator's Purpose? The "Creator" (If we choose to follow a Theistic approach) mandates his creations with a purpose (this is Biblically and Scripturally and Atheistically palatable)

If you know the Purpose, you will have a grip on the Origin. I would rather ask the question, What is the Creator's Purpose? is it to Create? I would like a Theistic view on this perhaps the answer to the Origin will reveal itself.

afam4eva:
Was that supposed to be funny?

It is called Rhetoric - a sad (but true) irony don't you think

Unfortunately Nigerians are so disillusioned that they will prefer to praise mediocrity than risk having nothing at all. It happens a lot,

blacksta:
Still Constant even when the country is going through a civil war - I think this proves that the mentioned services are intentionally being sabotaged in Nigeria

It only proves we are richer than libya

1: Running Water from Public Utilities is now Secondary source (very unreliable)- We can afford Sachet Pure Water and Mai-Ruwa
2: Electricity from Public Utilities is now Secondary source (very unreliable)- we can afford Petrol Generators 24/7

Use a sheep dog, they are very effective.

Step 1: get a hungry sheep from Kano State (the ones in Buhari's compound are the best for the job)
Step 2: Paint it Black and cut off its tail
Step 3: Leave it at the front of your house at night

The Buhari Dog-Sheep is effective at
1: Voting during elections
2: Attacking and Fatally wounding Niger-Deltans and Yoruba Area boys

better than running imo broke on stealing like her past governors 

marcus1234:
Great! :-) [img]http://2.s07.flagcounter.com/count/DymW/bg=E6E6E5/txt=E6E6E5/border=E6E6E5/columns=1/maxflags=1/viewers=3/labels=0/[/img]
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Really Marcus

ehie:
that is what u get when u have illiterate Ibo men who are the producers,financiers and distributors, crass and crappy thrash,

That era is long-gone, Banks, Companies and wealthy -literate individuals now sponsor movies and distribution is via Cinemas and Theaters

@OP, Nollywood is clearly not out of the woods yet. better production equipment is one step but the art of Film-Making is another realm they have not quite nailed it. They are at least upfront about it and there exists institutions that tutor proper modern methods. Most of our actors also need to step up their game, Local productions are no longer for the illiterate masses, the need to fill in a gap leftover from stale Holly and Bollywood genres is glaringly obvious but if that need is still being filled with movies with stale plots, poor directing and production, then Nollywood will be overtaken by other film-making regions that have learned from other peoples experience

All Nigerian Radio Stations have their charts but it is not based on air-play on listerners polls, it is based on how much you pay them to play your track and how long you want it to be there.

The GOD/SATAN concept is a simplified version of Chaos/Order, Yin/Yan, Cause/Effect, Push/Pull, Death/Birth, Start/End etcetera etcetera. The Intelligent beings who formed this experiment called Earth could only tell a story to man's immature intellect with the hope that as time went on, man would realize this plain truth and ascend into a new era of revolutionary thought and intelligent, Alas, the Israelites took it quite literally and here we are today, established on simpleton stories formed at the era of apes and barbarians - 

500GB hard disks are like N10k - N13k at Park n Shop VI and they are bloody expensive

Beaf:
ACN judge has been suspended. Why una de cry na?
Should a judge have political controversies hanging around his neck and sprouting from his pockets?

The law and constitution have taken their cause, it is for the civilised among us to take it with manful wisdom. T[b]he judiciary is not a political football[/b].

@BEAF on the move again, but at least look at this introspectively, do you still stand on the podium of political progress and enthronement of democratic priniples as you claimed in your heydays as GEJ voluntary campaign commander The Institution known as the NJC is not a political football but its members are

Unfortunately Stories differ from FACTS and the fact is the so-called 0.01% of Violent, Butt-scratching, phlegm-spewing, women-beating/castrating/antagonizing, education-hating and utterly terrorist-loving muslims have raised the mute voices of the remaining 99.9% Peace-loving, Allah-Worshiping Muslims - or is this simply a scandalous myth why are muslims quiet about this violent, war-loving ingrates of humanity (if they do not wholly support them)

harakiri:
And what is this "truth"?

Also, what's up with the American flag images? Kinda corny if you ask me.

No mind @marcus1234 I have learned he is some sort of Artificial Intelligent life-form - always short comments from day one -can you beat that?

globexl:
Here we go again. the issues raised in this thread are so many that I dont even know where to start.
First @ sweetnecta . Sweetnecta asked whetehr their has been any bridge that designed itself. The answer is no.But that is a false analogy. A brigde is designed and built by teams of designers, engineers and workers of different deciplines who themselves had priors education and training on the laws of Physics as it pertains to building bridges. The brigde comes about as a result of the collaboration of these teams of engineers and the different processes over a period of time. A process is involved.
To sweetnecta and those who claim that only an omnipotent and omnipresent god could have created the universe, that is ok. But let me ask you this question, and pls pls answer me:How did the omnipotent god come about without a prior source or another designer? If God created himself, that is , he ramdomnly appeared out of nothing, then why couldn't have the universe appeared out of a random big slam as well? Do you see how your blind faith belief contradicts itself. You believe that god self-created himself(CAME TO BE FROM NOTHING) and at the same time you beleive that the universe could not have come  to be from of nothing. How do you explain that contradiction?

An interesting context I have not being able to boldly take a position on

Can Good come out of Evil (Surely some good has come out of evil as evidenced throughout history) but can Evil come out of Good -- hhmm
Can you get clean water out of dirty water - yes definitely, but can you get dirty water out of clean water -- hmmn
Can God come out of Nothing , Can Nothing come out from God -- therein lies the scary answer
Which came first - The Chicken - or the Egg? Is Nothing really something - perhaps a progenitor of Gods