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Empiree:
Lol I know he doesnt understand and I am not really interested in long winded argument with him. I just wanted to figure out what he's up to and why he has problem with Sheikh Adam. He should calm down and reason though.

Ramadan Mubaraq

People like them will have problems with noble Sheiks . You know that if you just commence the reading of Durosoo Awaliya or some other small books you will think you have arrived. Similarly, people like him when they gained some knowledge they think their precedessors before knew nothing and are misguided.

Ramadan Mubarak to you dear brother.

Updated

As Muslims In Hell www.nairaland.com/1302542/muslims-hellfire-pending-resurrection-day
Sources of the Qur'an www.nairaland.com/1273205/sources-quran

Empiree:
@ Royals1, you sound confused still. You concluded that if someone like you come to me for instance for a problem or two, i just have to tell you "be patient". I dont have problem with that.

But give me evidence that giving someone dua to make is haram...pls?. And even at that, alfa would still advise you to be patient.

You are just threading. Enough said now. Ramadan Mubarak

Don't mind him brother Empiree. There are 3 main antidotes to face trials and tests from Allah and they are; Patience, Fear of Allah and supplication.
The Prophet(Peace be upon him and his house hold) said;" Prayer is the sword of a Muslim " So it's supplications to Allah that one will use to cut through the jungles of trials and tests in order to harvest Allah's help in field of mercy.
Empiree, don't tell the guy to recite Surah Yasin 1000 times o, idi nta mii

Royals1:
its now clear u are part of the jalabi alfas. So i dot nid to argue wit u anymore. But note dt its not by arabic education dt will make u in aljanna. Its by adherence to oness of Allah. Which entails believing him in wat eva evils come to u or goods come to u.and not given ur faith to any prescription by any sheik. The ayat i told u says u prophet now refering to alfas now, if anyone coms to u for d prob or evils i befall on dem either fear or lose of money or lives. Tell dem to be patient because its wat Allah has bestowed on dem. Now ur alfas prescribing ayat for dem or hantu for dem is against wat Allah says

Lol, ignorance they say is a bliss! The problem is that what is unknown to you is bright as daylight to others. It will be better not to condemn what you have little or no knowledge about. Ountu is no haram and the onus is on you to prove it to be so

In this regard of washing the writing of the Quran written by ink, the Hanbali scholar,Ibn Al-Qayyim mentioned on the authority of Mujaahid and Abu Qilaabah that a group of the righteous predecessors were of the view that it was permissible to write verses from the Quran, wash them with water and then let the patient drink it.


Another scholar supporting this view was the Shaafi‘i scholar, An-Nawawi . He mentioned that Al-Hasan Al-Basri, Mujaahid, Abu Qilaabah and Al-Awzaa‘i held that it was permissible, whereas An- Nakha‘i considered it to be disliked. An-Nawawi added that it was permissible according to the requisites of the Shaafi‘i School of Fiqh, and that Al-Qaadhi Husayn, Al-Baghawi and others held it to be permissible.

Ibn Taymiyyah quoted the view of Ahmad and mentioned that it was permissible to write some verses from the Quran using permissible ink and wash them with water and then let the patient drink it. Referring to this, ‘Abdullaah ibn Ahmad reported on the authority of his father (i.e. Ahmad ibn Hanbal ) that Ibn ‘Abbaas said that when a woman faces difficulty in childbirth, the following may be written for her:
Bismillaah. Laa ilaaha illa Allaah Al-Haleem Al-Kareem. Subhaanallaah Rabil-‘Arsh Al-‘Atheem. Al-Hamdulillaahi Rabil-‘Aalameen (In the name of Allaah, none is worthy of worship but Allaah, the Forbearing the Generous.Exalted is Allaah the Lord of the Great Throne. All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the worlds). {It will be, on the Day they see it, as though they had not remained [in the world] except for an afternoon or a morning thereof.} [Quran 79: 46] {On the Day they see that which they are promised - as though they had not remained [in the world] except an hour of a day. [This is] notification. And will [any] be destroyed except the defiantly disobedient people?} [Quran 46: 35]
He also reported on the authority of his father that it was permissible to write verses from the Quran on a clean vessel, wash it with water and let the patient drink it. Wakee' added to the narration of Ibn ‘Abbaas that the woman drinks from the water and the part of her body below the navel is sprinkled with it.
Consequently,we see that it is permissible to do this when the following prerequisites are satisfied:Using pure ink when writing the Quran and writing it on a pure object.

thorpido:
^^^because they lack the understanding to know he spoke figuratively.They say you have nothing reasonable to say to hide their ignorance.

'...having eyes but would not see...'(Mark 8:18).

Your problem is very concentrated.
Fond of saying the same thing when asked simple question. If it is figuratively, will you mind explaining to us?

atoleybaba:
Lol baba....all this things were symbolic

'Jesus' walking on the water too was symbolic?

thorpido:
The passage you quoted speaks of your ignorance.I'll give you the assignment of finding out what it means.

Off the thread, you have nothing reasonable to say sir.
Bye

Edrisdeen:
Assalamu alaikum warhmatullah ya jama'atul muslim. Glad to find myself on this platform a new member shaaa

Wa alaykum salaam waramatulah wabarakatuh, you are welcome brother.

Axis313:
Salam 'alaykum,my name is 'Abdul'Azeez.
I joined this forum few days ago,am here to learn more about Islam and contribute from the little knowledge I have.
I presently reside in Sango-Ota,Ogun State.

Wa alaykum salaam waramatulah wabarakatuh Bro, you are welcome. Hoping to see your beautiful and beneficial contributions in sha Allah .

ankybaby2001:
Assalam alaykum warahmatullah wa baarakatuhu.i am new to nairaland.i would like to be called zarah.i wish to learn from the group and add the little knowledge that i have.maa salam

Wa alaykum salaam waramatulah wabarakatuh sister, you are welcome. Your contributions will be highly appreciated in sha Allah. Please be active on the forum.

atoleybaba:
Baba pick any high mountain for DX earth u won't see anything...Satan carry Jesus go high mountain and showed him d kin gdom of d earth(vision) use your brain

Lol, carry 'Jesus'? Satan must have been a weightlifter in order to have carried a grown man

If it was the vision that Satan showed 'Jesus',then the purpose of taking him to a mountain would have been defeated because vision can be seen anywhere even on your bed.

thorpido:
Ignorance of the Op and his associates.

The disciples asked him why he spoke to the people in parables.He said that it might be fulfilled in them that which was spoken by the prophet Esais,that they having eyes should not see and having ears should not understand.For the heart of these people is waxed gross lest they be converted and I should heal them.

How does this correlates to what is posted? And if it does in your reasoning, explain the parable to us.

hameina:
Assalam alaikum ww!
Am Hameenah bint thabbit !
Alhamdulilah..it feels gud to be here among the best of gathering!

Wa alaykum Salaam Waramatulah Wabarakaruh. You are welcome sister

alkonami:
Ashraf.....
Reside in kaduna

Marhaban brother,you are welcome

Toeyean1507:
As salam aleikum waramotullah wabarakatu. I'm Kifayatu, a muslim but willing to be a muslimah. I've been living a life a Muslim by name and birth but not by practice. I wanna learn more and I ll be glad if this forum can provide an avenue for that. I mean I know next to nothing about Islam

I also need to know the real meaning and pronunciation of my name. Jazakumullah khairan

Wa Alaykum Asalaam Waramatulah Wabarakatuh sister. You are welcome,may Allah ease your affairs and makes the deen easy for you . In sha Allah, this is a link to our library you can read up interesting writeups there.

www.nairaland.com/285611/islam-muslims-library
Your name is written in Arabic as كفاية pronounced as kifaayat which means a quantity that satisfies.

AllNaijaBlogger:
Bernard Shaw-

"Islam is very different, being ferociously intolerant. What I may call Manifold Monotheism becomes in the minds of very simple folk an absurdly polytheistic idolatry, just as European peasants not only worship Saints and the Virgin as Gods, but will fight fanatically for their faith in the ugly little black doll who is the Virgin of their own Church against the black doll of the next village. When the Arabs had run this sort of idolatry to such extremes … they did this without black dolls and worshipped any stone that looked funny, Muhammad rose up at the risk of his life and insulted the stones shockingly, declaring that there is only one God, Allah, the glorious, the great… And there was to be no nonsense about toleration. You accepted Allah or you had your throat cut by someone who did accept him, and who went to Paradise for having sent you to Hell. Muhammad was a great Protestant religious force, like George Fox or Wesley"




@ Lanrexlan and Empiree, I was not the one who used an atheist to praise my religion. Learn not to be dishonest

Nobody is using Bernard Shaw to praise Islam, but yorubas will say 'ti iyawo omo eni ba Dara, ka wi kii se pe a fi se aya' if someone says something you love applaud the person even if you don't agree with his other points.
Shaw's comments doesn't increase or decrease the status of my beloved. Get that into your head

I want to be like 'Jesus' is a common slogan of many Christians today but in reality are they striving to adhere to his rules and teachings?

'Jesus' gave some 'interesting' rules in the bible but since all these years of mine spent with christians I haven't found anyone who could bold enough to take up these teachings of Christ.

What Should We Call This? First Law Of Motion?
'Jesus' was reported to have said by two gospel writers Luke and Matthew that Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.. I haven't found a christian that would be bold enough to receive a hot slap and turn the other cheek to me. I attended a Christian primary school coupled with another six years in a catholic secondary school but all my CRS teachers NEVER taught us this rule of Christ. We were never been taught that if anyone bullies us or slap us, we should just turn the other cheek to him and come home gently. So how many Nairaland Christian follows this? Or how many have taught his/her kids such?


Did Jesus actually follow his own rule?

Yorubas would say "Esin waju ni teyin wo sare" which means 'A leader should lead by a example'.

When 'Jesus' was encountered with a similar situation, he didn't follow his rule but he was lamenting when his own rule was practicalised on him .The bible says in John 18:22 And when he had thus spoken, one of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, Answerest thou the high priest so? John 18:23 Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me? Exactly what would expect a normal human being to say .If anyone slaps you and as an upright thinking human being, you will surely ask for your offence and not just turn the other cheek to him while looking as Dumbo.

N B Muslims don't try this with your Christian friends, you may lose a tooth.

Empiree:
Dont you get it?. Why do you think quoting GBS amounts to promoting Islam?. Geez!, the thing dey drive you crazy. I said before it's merely a compliment. That it dosnt increase or decrease status of prophet Muhammad(saw). Why the thing dey pain you so much?. See, i am right when i said you dey jealous!.

Common bro, take it easy with igbo

It is paining him because Bernard Shaw doesn't have anything to say about 'Jesus' nor the bible except that he said this “THE MOST DANGEROUS BOOK ON EARTH IS THE BIBLE,KEEP IT UNDER LOCK AND KEY.” Keep the Bible out of your children’s reach."

Abuamam:
Is 'tongues' not a written language? If I see the signature, we can send it to relevant pastors for translation and authentication.

Pastors can't even translate tongue speaking.
www.nairaland.com/1534988/praying-language-dont-understand
Rababa,shamama are some words in "tongues".

Rababa means buy pap that's made from guinea corn I don dey translate am oo

Emusan:
At bold what do you even know about Christian reformation?

Much than you can ever think.

Do you think people were bombing or beheading people for not accepting Christianity or some man-made doctrine as you rightly said that was reformed?

Do you know how many Muslims were killed in Spain by crusaders for not accepting Christianity?

So all this killing must continue in Islam since it was Allah wrote them.

It is the people that needs reformation and not Islam.People need to get enlightened about what the scriptures say and not blind following what their leaders told them without verifying it.

You don't change Islam to fit you, you can yourself to fit into Islam.

Abuamam:
Oh dont mind truthman2012. It's because you are not on this forum often. The 3 stooges (of which he is one), tend to grow on you eventually. You tend to learn to skim over their posts the way you do for ads... keeping an eye out for some new postulation (not too many of late. They are now recycling old topics).

Lol, I know quite well dear brother before I took a break. He is truthman2012 aka pointblank,cleanvessel, nextpart etc. An old man claiming to be a prophet lol.
I know him, I don't reply his posts anymore.Garbage always.

basilico:
I assume you admire him because he also banned churches in Saudi while on his deathbed that Jibril could not reverse.. Today there is no church in Saudi.
Islam followers SMH.

Ignorance is a bliss!
Keep shaking your head. I hope your atlas doesn't disassociate from your axis.

Ajibam:
Is that your post up there knowledgeable?
You just saw a rubbish on the Internet and jump on it like a hungry dude, copy and paste it.
Is that knowledgeable to you?
Please, grow up!

Equinox happen only twice in a year, 20th of March and 22nd of September. Since you only make sense on these two days,you will have to wait till 22nd of September before you can type anything reasonable.

Abuamam:
Is the first pix inspired of the holy spirit? If no, then your basis of comparison is flawed. Pls present a signed copy.

Besides Olumo rock looks more similar. I get the N100K.

Lol,how I wan get Holy's spirit signature now? Bro Abuamam, can you please kindly describe or show us holy spirit signature?

vedaxcool:
Chie abeg wetin be your account number make I send you the picture of my house make you spot am for Idnare lol

Lol, no worry I go mail you my account. Send your house pics, I go site am.

vedaxcool:
yes please

The mountain is in Idanre
Compare both pics na

Abuamam:
What exactly is a 'reformation' supposed to achieve? The xtian reformation was a replacement of one form of exploitative, man-made religion for another, just taking out what Luther perceived to be 'bugs'. Islam is already available in its pure, God-given form... are we to reform that? What Muslims need is to be more educated about the real Islam.

You can only reform man made ideas,not the creator's path in which he has chosen for mankind. Allah says in So set you„your face towards the religion of pure Islamic Monotheism Hanifa (worship none but Allah Alone) Allah's Fitrah (i.e. Allah's Islamic Monotheism), with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalq-illah (i.e. the Religion of Allah Islamic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not.

^^ Sometimes, I think age is directly proportional to one's level of reasoning but post like the above is always nullifying my claim.

Empiree:
Story story Mr. scholar. You only tried to give your personal interpretation which is quiet straw. Your Bible says there is no personal interpretation of biblical verse. 2 Peter 1:20: "First, you must understand this: No passage in Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation."

Let me reiterate

Matthew 27:5
"Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself"

Acts 1:18
"Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out."

See how Christians are contradicting themselves here
www.nairaland.com/1502728/how-did-judas-iscariot-actually

@Bro Vedaxcool are you still interested in the mountain?

The truth is that Islam has already had its own reformation of sorts, in the sense of a stripping of cultural accretions and a process of supposed “purification”. And it didn’t produce a tolerant, pluralistic, multifaith utopia, a Scandinavia-on-the-Euphrates. Instead, it produced … the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Wasn’t reform exactly what was offered to the masses of the Hijaz by Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab, the mid-18th century itinerant preacher who allied with the House of Saud? He offered an austere Islam cleansed of what he believed to be innovations, which eschewed centuries of mainstream scholarship and commentary, and rejected the authority of the traditional ulema, or religious authorities.
Some might argue that if anyone deserves the title of a Muslim Luther, it is Ibn Abdul Wahhab who, in the eyes of his critics, combined Luther’s puritanism with the German monk’s antipathy towards the Jews. Ibn Abdul Wahhab’s controversial stance on Muslim theology, writes his biographer Michael Crawford, “made him condemn much of the Islam of his own time” and led to him being dismissed as a heretic by his own family.
Don’t get me wrong. Reforms are of course needed across the crisis-ridden Muslim-majority world: political, socio-economic and, yes, religious too. Muslims need to rediscover their own heritage of pluralism, tolerance and mutual respect – embodied in, say, the Prophet’s letter to the monks of St Catherine’s monastery, or the “convivencia” (or co-existence) of medieval Muslim Spain.
More on this topi


What they don’t need are lazy calls for an Islamic reformation from non-Muslims and ex-Muslims, the repetition of which merely illustrates how shallow and simplistic, how ahistorical and even anti-historical, some of the west’s leading commentators are on this issue. It is much easier for them, it seems, to reduce the complex debate over violent extremism to a series of cliches, slogans and soundbites, rather than examining root causes or historical trends; easier still to champion the most extreme and bigoted critics of Islam while ignoring the voices of mainstream Muslim scholars, academics and activists.
Hirsi Ali, for instance, was treated to a series of encomiums and softball questions in her blizzard of US media interviews, from the New York Times to Fox News. (“A hero of our time,” read one gushing headline on Politico.) Frustratingly, only comedian Jon Stewart, on The Daily Show, was willing to point out to Hirsi Ali that her reformist hero wanted a “purer form of Christianity” and helped create “a hundred years of violence and mayhem”.


With apologies to Luther, if anyone wants to do the same to the religion of Islam today, it is Isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who claims to rape and pillage in the name of a “purer form” of Islam – and who isn’t, incidentally, a fan of the Jews either. Those who cry so simplistically, and not a little inanely, for an Islamic reformation, should be careful what they wish for.


Mehdi Hasan is a presenter on Al-Jazeera English. The views expressed here are his own

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/17/islam-reformation-extremism-muslim-martin-luther-europe?CMP=share_btn_fb

Yet the reality is that talk of a Christian-style reformation for Islam is so much cant. Let’s consider this idea of a “Muslim Luther”. Luther did not merely nail 95 theses to the door of the Castle church in Wittenberg in 1517, denouncing clerical abuses within the Catholic church. He also demanded that German peasants revolting against their feudal overlords be “struck dead”, comparing them to “mad dogs”, and authored


On the Jews and Their Lies in 1543, in which he referred to Jews as “the devil’s people” and called for the destruction of Jewish homes and synagogues. As the US sociologist and Holocaust scholar Ronald Berger has observed, Luther helped establish antisemitism as “a key element of German culture and national identity”. Hardly a poster boy for reform and modernity for Muslims in 2015.
The Protestant Reformation also opened the door to blood-letting on an unprecedented, continent-wide scale. Have we forgotten the French wars of religion? Or the English civil war? Tens of millions of innocents died in Europe; up to 40% of Germany’s population is believed to have been killed in the thirty years’ war. Is this what we want a Muslim-majority world already plagued by sectarian conflicts, foreign occupations and the bitter legacy of colonialism to now endure, all in the name of reform, progress and even liberalism?


Islam isn’t Christianity. The two faiths aren’t analogous, and it is deeply ignorant, not to mention patronising, to pretend otherwise – or to try and impose a neatly linear, Eurocentric view of history on diverse Muslim-majority countries in Asia or Africa. Each religion has its own traditions and texts; each religion’s followers have been affected by geopolitics and socio-economic processes in a myriad of ways. The theologies of Islam and Christianity, in particular, are worlds apart: the former, for instance, has never had a Catholic-style clerical class answering to a divinely appointed pope. So against whom will the “Islamic reformation” be targeted? To whose door will the 95 fatwas be nailed?

In recent months, cliched calls for reform of Islam, a 1,400-year-old faith, have intensified. “We need a Muslim reformation,” announced Newsweek . “Islam needs reformation from within,”said the Huffington Post. Following January’s massacre in Paris, the Financial Times nodded to those in the west who believe the secular Egyptian president, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, “could emerge as the Martin Luther of the Muslim world” . (That might be difficult, given Sisi, in the words of Human Rights Watch, approved “premeditated lethal attacks” on largely unarmed protesters which could amount to “crimes against humanity”.)




Then there is Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The Somali-born author, atheist and ex-Muslim has a new book called Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now. She’s been popping up in TV studios and on op-ed pages to urge Muslims, both liberal and conservative, to abandon some of their core religious beliefs while uniting behind a Muslim Luther. Whether or not mainstream Muslims will respond positively to a call for reform from a woman who has described their faith as a “destructive, nihilistic cult of death” that should be “crushed”, and suggested Benjamin Netanyahu be given the Nobel peace prize, is another matter.


This narrative isn’t new. The New York Times’s celebrity columnist Thomas Friedman called for an Islamic reformation back in 2002; US academics Charles Kurzer and Michaelle Browers traced the origins of this “Reformation analogy” to the early 20th century, noting that “conservative journalists have been as eager as liberal academics to search for Muslim Luthers”.
'Islam isn’t Christianity . They are are not analogous, and it is deeply ignorant to pretend otherwise
Apparently anyone who wants to win the war against violent extremism and save the soul of Islam, not to mention transform a stagnant Middle East, should be in favour of this process. After all, Christianity had the Reformation, so goes the argument, which was followed by the Enlightenment; by secularism, liberalism and modern European democracy. So why can’t Islam do the same? And shouldn’t the west be offering to help?

Rilwayne001:
Waalaekum salam bro.

How are you doing?

Alhamudulilah my brother, I am good. Trust you are fine